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(WJNO)   If you want to help feed the poor in Miami, you have to have the proper permits...even if you're a nun   (wjno.com) divider line 57
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2013-04-05 12:16:12 PM  
For the churlden
 
2013-04-05 12:16:52 PM  
God knows where that food has come from!
 
2013-04-05 12:18:14 PM  
Run those good Samaritans out of town!
/Nuns taught me how to read and right, so I got that going for me. Which is nice.
 
2013-04-05 12:22:05 PM  
You have to have "permission" to do ANYTHING these days...   so much for the land of the free.
 
2013-04-05 12:22:47 PM  
Not sure what being a nun has to do with it.
 
2013-04-05 12:26:06 PM  

rkiller1: Run those good Samaritans out of town!
/Nuns taught me how to read and right, so I got that going for me. Which is nice.


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2013-04-05 12:26:30 PM  
The last time I checked the same rules apply to everyone regardless of their life choices so being a nun has nothing to do with it.
 
2013-04-05 12:27:06 PM  

debug: Not sure what being a nun has to do with it.


Just a second-hand emotion.
 
2013-04-05 12:27:25 PM  
Someone could get ill on that food.  They should switch to offering youth in Asia services, because youths in Asia get hungry too.

/I should be killed for that one....
 
2013-04-05 12:27:29 PM  
malvasiabianca.org
 
2013-04-05 12:28:23 PM  
Good! Those poors need to be more boot-strappy.
 
2013-04-05 12:28:55 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: rkiller1: Run those good Samaritans out of town!
/Nuns taught me how to read and right, so I got that going for me. Which is nice.

notsureifserious.jpg


You got the joke. Which is nice.
 
2013-04-05 12:32:08 PM  
Like the nurse who washed out used needles, there are crazy people out there who cook food with reckless disregard. It ruins it for every other good Samaritan but that's the way it is.

A bottled water on  a hot day or a fresh bag of food from McDonald's value meal is a decent substitute.

/I was hungry and you poisoned me with improperly stored raw foods and substandard kitchen practices
 
2013-04-05 12:32:16 PM  
Food Not Bombs has run into this issue in the past. DNRTFA but FNB will only prepare vegan meals (at least most affiliates anyway) because it requires a lot less permitting/food inspection etc., etc. -- There's no need to buy the $50,000 refrigerated truck when you serve stuff that doesn't need to be kept between 35-40 degrees to avoid foodborne illness.

Making nuns stop feeding the homeless is a sad and dumb thing, but perhaps having rules in place to prevent people from cooking and serving botulism burgers to unsuspecting homeless people isn't the worst thing in the world.
 
2013-04-05 12:34:20 PM  
There's more regulation of charity than business in the US in many cases.
 
2013-04-05 12:36:39 PM  
We'll have nun of that here.
 
2013-04-05 12:37:52 PM  
I vaguely remember a case like this in MD where a little old lady was cooking a ton of food for the homeless, and eventually the state said "Hey, you can't do this without a proper kitchen."

A local fire hall found out, offered her the use of their institutional-grade kitchen, and she was up and running without skipping a beat. Happy outcome all around, no lawyers involved, no Faux News outrage.
 
2013-04-05 12:38:12 PM  
Feeding homeless is like feeding segulls.  Results in more seagulls and crap everywhere.
 
2013-04-05 12:39:39 PM  
So the city of Miami
*puts on sunglasses*
Will have nun of that?

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
 
2013-04-05 12:42:16 PM  
This has less to do with overzealous code enforcement than with plain old NIMBYism.

It started with a series of complaints from neighbors of the mission at 724 NW 17th St. Commissioner Wifredo "Willy" Gort said that many residents of the Claude Pepper Tower, a public housing complex for the elderly, called his office to complain about the lines of homeless people who wait every day to eat there.

"What many people do not understand is that it gets very aggressive, that there are 300 people blocking the sidewalk, and that many residents of Claude Pepper are afraid of the homeless," said Gort, who represents the district.



Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/04/3324357/mother-teresas-nuns-can - keep-feeding.html#storylink=cpy...
The complaints against the nuns also came from the leaders of Jackson Memorial Hospital, which controls several properties in the vicinity.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/04/3324357/mother-teresas-nuns-can - keep-feeding.html#storylink=cpy
 
2013-04-05 12:42:30 PM  
Ah, the thread where all the smugly liberal farkers, with no trace of irony, point out the ridiculousness of nanny-statism.
 
2013-04-05 12:42:44 PM  
Does nobody else find the Fox News outrage here a little.. two-faced? This is the media arm of the party that would turn around and do everything it could to ensure that those same poor and/or homeless people couldn't *vote*, and label them as 'takers', 'freeloaders', 'the 47%'.

But some nuns temporarily caught up in red tape over feeding them? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

Fark you, Fox.
 
2013-04-05 12:46:06 PM  

rkiller1: SN1987a goes boom: rkiller1: Run those good Samaritans out of town!
/Nuns taught me how to read and right, so I got that going for me. Which is nice.

notsureifserious.jpg

You got the joke. Which is nice.


Wait.  Wut?  Which is nice.
 
2013-04-05 12:48:24 PM  

OKObserver: God knows where that food has come from!


Jesus, obviously

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2013-04-05 12:50:33 PM  
Judge's ruler outswats nun's ruler.
 
2013-04-05 12:50:49 PM  
My tax dollars should not be used to feed lazy poor peoples!  We should put them all in prison to keep them from leeching off us!  The greedy poor are sucking our economy dry!

Now stop bothering me, Rush is back from commercial break.
 
2013-04-05 12:52:45 PM  
There is a certain amount of bureaucracy that goes along with any society.  Rules are created in order to protect and serve the public good.  This is one of those cases.

There are potential issues with food quality and preparation sanitation, with proper bathroom facilities (ready for 300 well-fed and watered homeless people on your office block?), traffic - both foot and auto - issues, whether it's an acceptable public forum (is it in a private or public area, fire concerns, safe occupancy limits etc) and so on.

In many cases like this, the city often provides the permits for free, or absorbs the cost themselves, once they're notified of it.  They will actively work with the individuals to help them to help others - but it all has to be done within the framework of existing laws.  In fact, the standard practice with illegal charitable organizations is not to imprison or fine - just shut them down and work with them to make them legal.

It's actually all totally reasonable.  The only folks that cry about it are just trying to whip up attention, not actually do charitable work directly.
 
2013-04-05 12:56:51 PM  
The sooner we outlaw poor people the sooner we'll have the economy back on track.
 
2013-04-05 12:57:32 PM  
quietwalker:

There is a certain amount of bureaucracy that goes along with any society. Rules are created in order to protect and serve the public good. This is one of those cases.

There are potential issues with food quality and preparation sanitation, with proper bathroom facilities (ready for 300 well-fed and watered homeless people on your office block?), traffic - both foot and auto - issues, whether it's an acceptable public forum (is it in a private or public area, fire concerns, safe occupancy limits etc) and so on.

In many cases like this, the city often provides the permits for free, or absorbs the cost themselves, once they're notified of it. They will actively work with the individuals to help them to help others - but it all has to be done within the framework of existing laws. In fact, the standard practice with illegal charitable organizations is not to imprison or fine - just shut them down and work with them to make them legal.

It's actually all totally reasonable. The only folks that cry about it are just trying to whip up attention, not actually do charitable work directly.



Well said, and had things been otherwise Fox & Friends would be poutraged that the poors were creating hazardous conditions and flouting the law.
 
2013-04-05 01:00:00 PM  

quietwalker: There is a certain amount of bureaucracy that goes along with any society.  Rules are created in order to protect and serve the public good.  This is one of those cases.

There are potential issues with food quality and preparation sanitation, with proper bathroom facilities (ready for 300 well-fed and watered homeless people on your office block?), traffic - both foot and auto - issues, whether it's an acceptable public forum (is it in a private or public area, fire concerns, safe occupancy limits etc) and so on.

In many cases like this, the city often provides the permits for free, or absorbs the cost themselves, once they're notified of it.  They will actively work with the individuals to help them to help others - but it all has to be done within the framework of existing laws.  In fact, the standard practice with illegal charitable organizations is not to imprison or fine - just shut them down and work with them to make them legal.

It's actually all totally reasonable.  The only folks that cry about it are just trying to whip up attention, not actually do charitable work directly.


Your posting is logical, reasonable and makes good common sense, which is why it's completely inappropriate for Fark.
 
2013-04-05 01:00:56 PM  
Feeding the poor is a noble cause...as long as it doesn't happen where I live, work or play.
 
2013-04-05 01:01:58 PM  

NightSteel: Does nobody else find the Fox News outrage here a little.. two-faced? This is the media arm of the party that would turn around and do everything it could to ensure that those same poor and/or homeless people couldn't *vote*, and label them as 'takers', 'freeloaders', 'the 47%'.

But some nuns temporarily caught up in red tape over feeding them? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

Fark you, Fox.


No this is actually right in line with 'the government is the problem not the solution' side of the conservatives.  The hypocrisy comes in when the want the same government telling what you can do in your bedroom.
 
2013-04-05 01:04:37 PM  
Tanthalas39:

Ah, the thread where all the smugly liberal farkers, with no trace of irony, point out the ridiculousness of nanny-statism.

So... Just out of curiosity, what else are the imaginary libs in your head telling you today?
Do they all wear evil goatees in this alternate universe you've constructed?
 
2013-04-05 01:08:49 PM  

jtotheroc: My tax dollars should not be used to feed lazy poor peoples!  We should put them all in prison to keep them from leeching off us!  The greedy poor are sucking our economy dry!

Now stop bothering me, Rush is back from commercial break.


Sarcasm Fail

Private charity does not use tax dollars.  If it did then all the fark libs would be up in arms because government dollars cant go to religion, like school vouchers.
 
2013-04-05 01:11:06 PM  

jaytkay: The sooner we outlaw poor people the sooner we'll have the economy back on track.


You mean like how violence will go away when we outlaw guns?
 
2013-04-05 01:17:07 PM  
pdee:

jaytkay: The sooner we outlaw poor people the sooner we'll have the economy back on track.

You mean like how violence will go away when we outlaw guns?


Nah. Just the 20-kids-at-a-time kind.
 
2013-04-05 01:19:13 PM  

Tanthalas39: Ah, the thread where all the smugly liberal farkers, with no trace of irony, point out the ridiculousness of nanny-statism.


*checks thread*

You seem to have the wrong thread. It's OK just don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Hey guys now that he's gone lets discuss our plans to push through legislation for mandatory gay marriages, abortions and death panels.
 
2013-04-05 01:32:20 PM  
You do realize if you feed them, they'll never go away?
 
2013-04-05 01:36:54 PM  
You'll notice that at no point did Fox News infrom you as to why this became an issue.

Go figure.
 
2013-04-05 01:42:24 PM  

maxheck: pdee:

jaytkay: The sooner we outlaw poor people the sooner we'll have the economy back on track.

You mean like how violence will go away when we outlaw guns?

Nah. Just the 20-kids-at-a-time kind.


So you think that if this guy were to go into a kindergarten class he could not get 20?
 
2013-04-05 01:43:06 PM  

Another Government Employee: You do realize if you feed them, they'll never go away?


tree-fiddy
 
2013-04-05 01:43:54 PM  

pdee: jaytkay: The sooner we outlaw poor people the sooner we'll have the economy back on track.

You mean like how violence will go away when we outlaw guns?


cdn.fd.uproxx.com
 
2013-04-05 01:48:14 PM  
Dear thread-jacking wanker,

The world does not revolve around you and your pet obsession.

You're not clever. You're not entertaining. You're not witty.

You are a tiresome bore.
 
2013-04-05 01:53:20 PM  
Better a million poor should starve than one person should ever do anything without the express written permission of the government.
 
2013-04-05 02:06:53 PM  
untaken_name:

Better a million poor should starve than one person should ever do anything without the express written permission of the government.

Way-over-the-top hyperbole aside...

We have rules for a reason. We (theoretically) apply them equally no matter what the intent. Ideally no one would serve tainted street meat, no one would create a fire or sanitary hazard, no one would ever do anything that might bring harm to another. If all men were angels, even communism might be a workable system.

Welcome to the real world. Regulations have reasons, even if you have the finest of intentions. Look up Typhoid Mary and the good work she did.
 
2013-04-05 02:41:41 PM  

pdee: jtotheroc: My tax dollars should not be used to feed lazy poor peoples!  We should put them all in prison to keep them from leeching off us!  The greedy poor are sucking our economy dry!

Now stop bothering me, Rush is back from commercial break.

Sarcasm Fail

Private charity does not use tax dollars.  If it did then all the fark libs would be up in arms because government dollars cant go to religion, like school vouchers.


So you're saying that you would be okay with tax dollars going to religion?  But what if the govt gave tax dollars to a church that helps feed the poor, wouldn't that then be a form of welfare?  Maybe the govt could just give tax dollars to the rich churches that promise not to help the poor.
 
2013-04-05 02:44:11 PM  
my father's family attorney had been a good charitable person for decades.  He was nearly arrested for feeding the homeless too, something about food prep liscense.   Its' all an effort to drive out the homeless here.

The cops in coconut grove were once sued for stomping in the head of a puppy of one of those poor people that Bill fed.
 
2013-04-05 02:59:51 PM  
You have to obey the law.  You have to have all of your paperwork in order.  You have to follow the rules.  If you want to feed the homeless.

If you want to buy a gun SACRED RIGHT BLESSED FREEDOM OBAMA UN SOCIALIST PRISON CAMP SACRED RIGHT.
 
2013-04-05 03:06:57 PM  

maxheck: You'll notice that at no point did Fox News infrom you as to why this became an issue.

Go figure.


The attorney was asked, and he speculated that the "institutional" neighbors complained. IDK if the code enforcement dept. is even allowed to name complainants.
 
2013-04-05 03:07:45 PM  
Same thing happened in Chicago last month. Alderman decided he didn't like a church feeding the poor, poof, no more feeding the poor.

Like mentioned above, NIMBY
 
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