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(Scouting NY)   Cool and Scary tags hold on to Sad while touring this abandoned Masonic Retirement home hidden just outside of NYC   (scoutingny.com) divider line 61
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2013-04-05 09:50:05 AM
Very cool. Good link, subby.
 
2013-04-05 10:00:07 AM
The building was leased as a dorm to Dominican College, a local liberal arts college.

That would have been a cool dorm.
 
2013-04-05 10:10:45 AM

Pocket Ninja: Very cool. Good link, subby.


Indeed!

One more thing to add to my list of, "When I win PowerBall..."
 
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2013-04-05 10:12:23 AM
I used to love to explore old abandoned buildings like that. Very cool find subbs. +1
 
2013-04-05 10:27:12 AM
mojoimage.com


Could swear I've seen that place before...

/obscure?
 
2013-04-05 10:56:01 AM
Awesome. I love the stained glass work.

Also; GHOSTS
 
2013-04-05 11:06:26 AM
Awesome link, subby.

Love the glass panel doors and the general architecture. The double suicide story would make a great movie...
 
2013-04-05 11:13:57 AM
If you're into this sort of thing, and I'm guessing you are, then check out http://www.reddit.com/r/AbandonedPorn/
 
2013-04-05 11:17:19 AM
I'm glad that the stained glass has survived.

gopher321: [mojoimage.com image 590x443]


Could swear I've seen that place before...

/obscure?


Definitely one of the scariest levels I've ever played.
Great article about it, here. (pdf)
 
2013-04-05 11:17:30 AM
Anything of value, like those stained glass windows, needs to be removed before vandals get to them.
 
2013-04-05 11:23:56 AM
Funny how I came upon this link. Someone contacted my family with a large stained glass window from a masonic hall bearing my great great grandfather's name. It's huge, and it's beautiful and the owner is moving and doesn't want to deal with 200 pounds of leaded glass. There is a wonderful bunch of masonic features on it, and they are looking for $1200. I decided to research it and found this link in about 30 seconds. I might buy it, but what the heck would I do with it? Oddly enough, I just joined a committee to restore an old meeting house, built by masons back in the early 1800s, and the windows need attention. they happen to be the same size. If I buy it, I could donate it to the project and have it installed as a gift to the community, where it would remain in view, and at least be used for what it was meant to be, a memorial of one family's service to a community.
Anyway, thanks for looking.
 
2013-04-05 11:25:40 AM

There is a Masonic Temple near my office that rents out for meetings and such. We went once for some group hug thing. The place was creepy. I went looking around one of the non-rented out sections. It had these thick red velvet drapes on the walls, lots of iron railings with intricate artwork. Lots of animal horns on the walls and then the big creepy ornate chairs front and center. Having just seen Eyes Wide Shut at the time, it evoked all sorts of wild shiat going down in that room.


This one's big chairs with pews and stained glass is much less creepy.

 
2013-04-05 11:26:21 AM
I used to work right down the road from this place. That was 95-98. I recently cruised by on my Harley. It hasn't changed. At all. When the author says Tappan is "small", he wasn't kidding. The cops keep a sharp eye on this place, hence the lack of vandalism.
 
2013-04-05 11:30:08 AM
Wasn't this place on one of those reclamation reality shows recently?  I seem to remember that the guy on the show bought the Thrones/chairs.
 
2013-04-05 11:32:11 AM
Why did this fail? Public socialization of risks and retirement vs private socialization of risks and retirement. Yes, FDR's regime helped topple the Masons and other fraternal orders.

Oh, and TV. TV did a number on the "what the hell am I going to do tonight" aspect of joining clubs.
 
2013-04-05 11:35:45 AM
That's a very cool link. I actually got to spend a couple of summers at a Masonic summer camp near Utica, NY as a kid. My grandfather was a Mason for many years. The fact that the group started such a home to care for its ailing members does not surprise me at all. The camp I went to was donated (land, structures, boats, equipment, etc.) in its entirety, and they only charged families a nominal fee (IIRC $500 for six weeks when I attended) to pay for the food costs.

They definitely take care of their own.
 
2013-04-05 11:38:35 AM
Tax-free entities can afford to neglect their assets.
 
2013-04-05 11:43:27 AM
HOME TOWN!

Well, not really home town. My husband's home town. I pass by this whenever I visit his family.  I spent my formative years in the Jersey side of that town. We were married in Tappan though, in a beautiful colonial tavern where Andre the Spy was kept before he was hung down the block (in the Jersey side) and where George Washington dined: www.76house.com. The whole area has awesome history.

I've never seen the interior though, so cool! It is absolutely gorgeous and its a shame something hasn't been done to it. I'd totally buy it and renovated it if money wasn't a concern. It's kinda weird that Dominican College or St. Thomas Aquinas College (2 surprisingly good local colleges) haven't purchased it.

Across the street there's a large picnic area owned by the German Masons, they have a lot of events there and when I was a kid they used to do like summer clubs and things.
 
2013-04-05 11:45:14 AM
The article didn't mention the girl strapped to the gurney in the boiler room.
 
2013-04-05 11:45:22 AM
Places like that make me sad. They're too expensive to maintain and restore, and too well built to fall down, so they just slowly decay.
 
2013-04-05 11:45:27 AM
If you guys like that link, check out the rest of the blog.  It's packed full of abandoned buildings and generally interesting things around New York.  I've been following it for a couple of years now after seeing a link.
 
2013-04-05 11:47:13 AM

vudukungfu: thanks for looking.


Thanks for sharing. I'm going to share this link with my uncle, who researches Masonic places like this. He may be able to provide some information, and may be able to assist you in preserving your great grandfather's stained glass window.
 
2013-04-05 11:50:43 AM
American Horror Story: Masonic Retirement Home
 
2013-04-05 11:56:49 AM
There's one like this in Springfield, Ohio. Same huge building in severe disrepair on top of a hill.

One of her friends was doing paranormal investigations and got permission to go in. She tagged along and it looked a lot like this. Much cooler adornments in the NYC one, but still creepy.

www.cardcow.com

That's a pic of it in its hey day. And a more recent pic:

farm3.staticflickr.com

Amazing work on the outside. You would almost never know how much a shambles the interior is in.
 
2013-04-05 11:57:06 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: vudukungfu: thanks for looking.

Thanks for sharing. I'm going to share this link with my uncle, who researches Masonic places like this. He may be able to provide some information, and may be able to assist you in preserving your great grandfather's stained glass window.


Cool. I'd be interested.
I see them going to $3k on ebay
 
2013-04-05 11:59:42 AM

gopher321: [mojoimage.com image 590x443]


Could swear I've seen that place before...

/obscure?


I thought the exact same thing! Man, that place was terrifying.
 
2013-04-05 12:12:02 PM
It's always sad to see these old Masonic buildings go to waste like this.  The Los Angeles Scottish Rite Cathedral is a similar case (albeit, far less derelict).  Others, like the old Long Beach York Rite Temple have seen new life after being re-purposed into condos (The Long Beach York Rite bodies now meet at the International City Masonic Lodge in Long Beach).
 
2013-04-05 12:14:41 PM
Isn't this the one that was on one of those "Ghost Hunters" shows a while back?

Maybe this one?


https://www.directv.com/tv/Abandoned-RnJibUNrK1hwTjQ9/New-York-Mason ic -Lodge-Z2Q3VmFTVFc0ZEJSVXExUmRoY2lzQT09
 
2013-04-05 12:22:27 PM

ICDedPpl: Isn't this the one that was on one of those "Ghost Hunters" shows a while back?

Maybe this one?


https://www.directv.com/tv/Abandoned-RnJibUNrK1hwTjQ9/New-York-Mason ic -Lodge-Z2Q3VmFTVFc0ZEJSVXExUmRoY2lzQT09


I watch Ghost Hunters and would have remembered that if it was the same one. I've also never heard ghost stories surrounding this building, and considering the area was settled in the early 1600's I grew up with tons of ghost stories.
 
2013-04-05 12:33:17 PM
What their gatherings may have looked like:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-05 12:35:14 PM

wildcardjack: Why did this fail? Public socialization of risks and retirement vs private socialization of risks and retirement. Yes, FDR's regime helped topple the Masons and other fraternal orders.

Oh, and TV. TV did a number on the "what the hell am I going to do tonight" aspect of joining clubs.


They fail because no one really wants to join anymore.  When I joined the Masons, I was the youngest member of my lodge by a solid 15-20 years.  I still send in my dues check, and make a donation every year, but I can't remember the last time I actually DID anything with them.  It's the same as organizations like the VFW, Marine Corps League, AMVETS, Elks Lodges, ect...  The meetings are long winded and boring, and the guys who care about doing that stuff are old.  The VFWs near where I live tend to have lots of members, but only the older guys participate in anything.  The younger members just use the cheap bar, or are junior enlisted who take advantage of the fact that the bar doesn't card members.

Although the Masons still have some very nice retirement homes, that are very inexpensive to members, or at least have fees based on your income levels.  A fairly well off mason is expected to kick in way more to live there than one who only has a Social Security check as income.  Still very nice.  They really do still try hard to take care of their own.
 
2013-04-05 12:36:21 PM

devildog123: wildcardjack: Why did this fail? Public socialization of risks and retirement vs private socialization of risks and retirement. Yes, FDR's regime helped topple the Masons and other fraternal orders.

Oh, and TV. TV did a number on the "what the hell am I going to do tonight" aspect of joining clubs.

They fail because no one really wants to join anymore.  When I joined the Masons, I was the youngest member of my lodge by a solid 15-20 years.  I still send in my dues check, and make a donation every year, but I can't remember the last time I actually DID anything with them.  It's the same as organizations like the VFW, Marine Corps League, AMVETS, Elks Lodges, ect...  The meetings are long winded and boring, and the guys who care about doing that stuff are old.  The VFWs near where I live tend to have lots of members, but only the older guys participate in anything.  The younger members just use the cheap bar, or are junior enlisted who take advantage of the fact that the bar doesn't card members.

Although the Masons still have some very nice retirement homes, that are very inexpensive to members, or at least have fees based on your income levels.  A fairly well off mason is expected to kick in way more to live there than one who only has a Social Security check as income.  Still very nice.  They really do still try hard to take care of their own.


My dad was invited to one of those "clubs". He's in his mid 70's and described the members as "too damn old" for him.
 
2013-04-05 12:38:15 PM

FunkyBlue: There's one like this in Springfield, Ohio. Same huge building in severe disrepair on top of a hill.

One of her friends was doing paranormal investigations and got permission to go in. She tagged along and it looked a lot like this. Much cooler adornments in the NYC one, but still creepy.

[www.cardcow.com image 600x384]

That's a pic of it in its hey day. And a more recent pic:

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x478]

Amazing work on the outside. You would almost never know how much a shambles the interior is in.


I should hope they do good brick work.
 
2013-04-05 12:45:53 PM
"For a time, the Masons had hoped to tear the building down and build smaller homes on the land for seniors in an attempt to fulfill their original mission, but were prohibited by zoning laws."

Thanks to the zoning laws, this slow "demolition-by-neglect" happens instead.  Sounds like somebody in the Tappan zoning planning committee needs a dose of common sense.  Nevertheless, very surprised the Masons haven't removed and preserved the chairs and stained glass windows.  The Chief of Police is probably a Mason, hence the police presence to minimize vandalism.
 
2013-04-05 12:46:15 PM

devildog123: till send in my dues check, and make a donation every year, but I can't remember the last time I actually DID anything with them.  It's the same as organizations like the VFW, Marine Corps League, AMVETS, Elks Lodges, ect...  The meetings are long winded and boring, and the guys who care about doing that stuff are old.  The VFWs near where I live tend to have lots of members, but only the older guys participate in anything.  The younger members just use the cheap bar, or are junior enlisted who take advantage of the fact that the bar doesn't card members.


They're a fascinating group. I don't get them at all though. Dad's a member. I think he wishes nothing more than for me to ask to join, but as an athiest/borderline-agnostic, I have a hard time with the religiousness of it all, and the ritualization.
 
2013-04-05 12:55:04 PM
Well, at least the lights still work.
 
2013-04-05 01:06:04 PM

MadSkillz: devildog123: till send in my dues check, and make a donation every year, but I can't remember the last time I actually DID anything with them.  It's the same as organizations like the VFW, Marine Corps League, AMVETS, Elks Lodges, ect...  The meetings are long winded and boring, and the guys who care about doing that stuff are old.  The VFWs near where I live tend to have lots of members, but only the older guys participate in anything.  The younger members just use the cheap bar, or are junior enlisted who take advantage of the fact that the bar doesn't card members.

They're a fascinating group. I don't get them at all though. Dad's a member. I think he wishes nothing more than for me to ask to join, but as an athiest/borderline-agnostic, I have a hard time with the religiousness of it all, and the ritualization.


What religousness?  Yeah, there's some mysticism bs, but it really isn't that big of a deal.  I certainly barely paid attention to it.  It's mostly stupid oaths and crap.  I haven't actually gone to an official meeting in years.  I sometimes help out with pancake breakfasts, or fundraisers or something, but honestly, no one is going to bother you about religion or faith or anything, and if you don't believe in any of that stuff, why should it bother you?  Unless you're planning on being a dick about it, just go in, mumble the crap, and make your old man happy.
 
2013-04-05 01:18:13 PM

devildog123: What religousness?


The requirement to "believe in an higher power", for one.

/I know I'm not the one to whom you directed your question, but I have the same reservation with joining The Masons.
 
2013-04-05 01:22:30 PM
I see abandoned buildings around this city all the time, yet we have a 'homeless problem' and no one seems to have any idea what to do about it. I would say some kind of shelter is better than none, and since plenty of the homeless are in fact skilled laborers who might be able to help these grand old buildings... what is the problem? I know the one mentioned in the article is kind of off the beaten path as far as places with large homeless problems, but seriously... they are allowed to just rot?? If ever there was a testament as to why corporate models are not working when applied to society, this is it. Can no one do anything to bring the two problems together to even try and see if it could work? Just let them rot and just let them die is repugnant on both counts.
 
2013-04-05 01:54:11 PM
glad this guy's getting some internet attention

please check out the 'now and then' with ghostbusters, rosemary's baby, and taxi driver. he's got some great stuff on there.
 
2013-04-05 01:57:37 PM
Everytime I visit this dude's site, I get sucked into a vortex of time...some mighty interesting stuff.
 
2013-04-05 02:10:27 PM

payattention: they are allowed to just rot?


We have one such building ina twon near me, and believe you me, we have all tried to figure out what to do with it. It's an old academy.
Google street view for Rt 108 just north of the Rt 36 intersection in Bakersfield, Vt. It's on the left heading north.
It's huge, and has a sunken basketball court in it.
but the amount of lead, asbestos  the wiring, plumbing, there is only a young and small town sewer installed most recently and it couldn't hold even 4 more flushes. let alone a big kitchen.
I'd love to see it done up right. But it would take millions.
 
2013-04-05 02:36:09 PM

devildog123: They fail because no one really wants to join anymore.  When I joined the Masons, I was the youngest member of my lodge by a solid 15-20 years.  I still send in my dues check, and make a donation every year, but I can't remember the last time I actually DID anything with them.


Now, I know for my home blue lodge, the same really can't be said.  In fact, in recent years, we've seen an uptick in membership, which is great!  But there are a lot of younger folks around my age (mid-30s) that are showing a lot of interest in the fraternity.
 
2013-04-05 02:48:37 PM

Vengeful Walnut: devildog123: They fail because no one really wants to join anymore.  When I joined the Masons, I was the youngest member of my lodge by a solid 15-20 years.  I still send in my dues check, and make a donation every year, but I can't remember the last time I actually DID anything with them.

Now, I know for my home blue lodge, the same really can't be said.  In fact, in recent years, we've seen an uptick in membership, which is great!  But there are a lot of younger folks around my age (mid-30s) that are showing a lot of interest in the fraternity.


At 26 I'm definitely the youngest in my lodge. I was 25 when I joined. But I agree, there seems to be a sparking interest in people in the mid 20s-30s range again; they're the majority of new members. I think the thing that really makes it interesting is actual community work. Too  many lodges just don't do anything except ritual. Don't get me wrong the rituals are a major part, but there's the part still where you go out and do good. We get together with other lodges to have charity events. We had one of those winter ocean dives, we have an annual cancer walk team, and blood drives to name a few.
 
2013-04-05 03:01:55 PM

MaestroJ: Vengeful Walnut: devildog123: They fail because no one really wants to join anymore.  When I joined the Masons, I was the youngest member of my lodge by a solid 15-20 years.  I still send in my dues check, and make a donation every year, but I can't remember the last time I actually DID anything with them.

Now, I know for my home blue lodge, the same really can't be said.  In fact, in recent years, we've seen an uptick in membership, which is great!  But there are a lot of younger folks around my age (mid-30s) that are showing a lot of interest in the fraternity.

At 26 I'm definitely the youngest in my lodge. I was 25 when I joined. But I agree, there seems to be a sparking interest in people in the mid 20s-30s range again; they're the majority of new members. I think the thing that really makes it interesting is actual community work. Too  many lodges just don't do anything except ritual. Don't get me wrong the rituals are a major part, but there's the part still where you go out and do good. We get together with other lodges to have charity events. We had one of those winter ocean dives, we have an annual cancer walk team, and blood drives to name a few.


This same is true in Minnesota.  Our lodge has had a huge uptick in new members most in the 25-35 year old range.  We are very active in our community.  We raise an obscene amount of money for our local food shelf and we sponsor kids programs to help runaways.  Our lodge leadership is packed with members under the age of 50.  We are very fortunate to have a good group of younger men to provide passion and drive while having our more seasoned members to ground us in the traditions of the fraternity. If you are on the fence about masonry, do 2 things; 1. talk to a mason and 2. read Freemasonry for Dummies.

We truly are the world's worst kept secret.
 
2013-04-05 03:13:01 PM

Vengeful Walnut: devildog123: They fail because no one really wants to join anymore.  When I joined the Masons, I was the youngest member of my lodge by a solid 15-20 years.  I still send in my dues check, and make a donation every year, but I can't remember the last time I actually DID anything with them.

Now, I know for my home blue lodge, the same really can't be said.  In fact, in recent years, we've seen an uptick in membership, which is great!  But there are a lot of younger folks around my age (mid-30s) that are showing a lot of interest in the fraternity.


i'm 32 and my petition was presented last night.
 
2013-04-05 03:19:08 PM

FunkyBlue: There's one like this in Springfield, Ohio. Same huge building in severe disrepair on top of a hill.

One of her friends was doing paranormal investigations and got permission to go in. She tagged along and it looked a lot like this. Much cooler adornments in the NYC one, but still creepy.

[www.cardcow.com image 600x384]

That's a pic of it in its hey day. And a more recent pic:

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x478]

Amazing work on the outside. You would almost never know how much a shambles the interior is in.


Brief Google search show that building to have been renovated and in use, still by the masons.  Arial shot shows wings removed and cars parked in front, and a modern addition on the back.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ohio+Masonic+Home,+West+National+Road ,+ Springfield,+OH&hl=en&ll=39.922792,-83.859572&spn=0.000726,0.001206&sl l=39.949392,-83.812938&sspn=0.016417,0.038581&oq=Springfield,+Ohio+mas onic&t=h&gl=us&hq=Ohio+Masonic+Home,&hnear=W+National+Rd,+Springfield, +Clark,+Ohio&z=20

Here's the home's website:
http://www.ohiomasonichome.org/
 
2013-04-05 03:28:30 PM

Vengeful Walnut: It's always sad to see these old Masonic buildings go to waste like this.  The Los Angeles Scottish Rite Cathedral is a similar case (albeit, far less derelict).  Others, like the old Long Beach York Rite Temple have seen new life after being re-purposed into condos (The Long Beach York Rite bodies now meet at the International City Masonic Lodge in Long Beach).


for years Providence RI had the best abandoned Masonic temple.  It's almost a shame they finally did something with it.
 
2013-04-05 03:46:52 PM

cynicalbastard: Places like that make me sad. They're too expensive to maintain and restore, and too well built to fall down, so they just slowly decay.


I once saw an abandoned Masonic Temple in - I think - Monroe WI on the edge of the downtown area.
Sad sad sad.

As for this place? The ONLY time I watched a 'reality' show - "American Pickers"? "Salvage Dogs"? the guys went to this place.

What I got out of it was:
1)these guys - just like the Storage Wars people - have an over-inflated idea of what things are worth/can be sold for
and
2)they get really pissy when the sellers don't do what they want. The caretaker of this place needed to get an 'ok' from the board of directors to sell anythingthe Picker guys just got all irked and just drove off.
*ss*oles.
 
2013-04-05 04:23:05 PM

Lurk sober post drunk: i'm 32 and my petition was presented last night.


Excellent news! Good luck!

derpy: for years Providence RI had the best abandoned Masonic temple.  It's almost a shame they finally did something with it.


That said, I think some of the elements they kept are really cool!
 
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