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2013-04-05 01:28:38 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.

--Curtis LeMay


Dönitz planned on calling Allied submarine officers to testify when they threatened to charge him with war crimes for unrestricted submarine warfare.
 
2013-04-05 01:33:27 PM  

stellarossa: trotsky: Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift essentially occurred at the same time. If it had not been for Bromhead, Chard and the men of B/2/24, it would have been an even worse day for Lord Chelmsford.

Suggested reading:

Zulu Rising by Ian Knight
Like Wolves in the Fold: The Defence of Rorke's Drift by Mike Snook
Washing of the Spears by Donald R. Morris
Brave Men's Blood: The Epic of the Zulu War, 1879 by Ian Knight
Great Zulu Battles: 1838-1906 by Ian Knight

The Zulus were anything BUT helpless Africans. The Army sent against Chelmsford's Center column was something like 20,000 strong. One of the most powerful and well-organized armies in South Africa.

I would also recommend Carnage & Culture by Victor Hanson. Only 1 Chapter dedicated to RD but makes for good reading & awesome insight.


Thanks.

I have a 15 year old friend who is aspie and loves history. Any military stuff farkers recommend in books, i fling his direction.
 
2013-04-05 01:40:27 PM  

PunGent: peasants_are_revolting: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

Exactly. How the fark is this heroic? Oh, nice job, guys, you invaded another continent and slaughtered a whole bunch of its inhabitants. You managed to do this using rifles against their spears and arrows. Pretty goddamn heroic. Next, why don't you go and stomp on some puppies?

On the flip side, without colonialism, sub-Saharan Africa would've been free of those modern scourges:  writing, medicine, and the wheel...


I don't see a flip side. Look, unlike many who are critical of colonialism, I don't think all of Africa's problems came from Europe - further, most of their infrastructure wouldn't exist without it. But so what? The Spaniards demonized the Aztecs as being primitive and barbaric to justify their raping an entire continent. Your argument is no better.

Guess who invented written languages for most African people groups? Christian missionaries. You want to talk about gifts from one society to the next? Uganda executes gay people now, thanks to the dogma from those same Christian missionaries. I'm pretty sure gay people aren't spending their days on death row thanking the West for giving them the wheel.
 
2013-04-05 01:40:47 PM  

vygramul: Boudica's War Tampon: I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.

--Curtis LeMay

Dönitz planned on calling Allied submarine officers to testify when they threatened to charge him with war crimes for unrestricted submarine warfare.


I hadn't read about LeMay's Operation Starvation. According to the wiki, it was a aerial mining of Japanese home waters and approaches that prevent food and other necessities from getting to mainland Japan and prevented resupply of Japanese troops.

Aerial mining supplemented a tight Allied submarine blockade of the home islands, drastically reducing Japan's ability to supply its overseas forces to the point that postwar analysis concluded that it could have defeated Japan on its own had it begun earlier.
 
2013-04-05 01:44:53 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: vygramul: Boudica's War Tampon: I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.

--Curtis LeMay

Dönitz planned on calling Allied submarine officers to testify when they threatened to charge him with war crimes for unrestricted submarine warfare.

I hadn't read about LeMay's Operation Starvation. According to the wiki, it was a aerial mining of Japanese home waters and approaches that prevent food and other necessities from getting to mainland Japan and prevented resupply of Japanese troops.

Aerial mining supplemented a tight Allied submarine blockade of the home islands, drastically reducing Japan's ability to supply its overseas forces to the point that postwar analysis concluded that it could have defeated Japan on its own had it begun earlier.


But, then, we wouldn't have Grave of the Fireflies.
 
2013-04-05 01:49:44 PM  

vygramul: PunGent: TheShavingofOccam123: Listen. For sheer bravery you cannot top air-conditioned B-29s flying low-level, facing virtually no effective anti-aircraft measures, dropping thousands upon thousands of incendiaries on civilians WHO LIVE IN WOODEN HOUSES.  Roasting 100,000 civilians in one night is a mighty brave and heroic deed.

Then LeMay got effiecient and started dropping one bomb at a time. Twice.

/amidoinitrite

Civilians who were propping up a murderous government that killed 250,000 unarmed Chinese civilians after the Doolittle raid?  In a war they started?

My sympathy is limited.

In a war THEY started? Lrn2history. We cut off their oil, and "No blood for oil" only applies to the U.S.

/iamdoinitrite


http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/wwiipaccauses_2.htm

We embargoed Japan because they were busy raping the shiate out of China.  They were already at war on the Korean peninsula and mainland China.  But, nice attempt at revisionist.  You know, the US actually has done a lot of honorable things contrary to your total "US=EVIL-ALL-THE-TIME" mentality.
 
2013-04-05 01:53:11 PM  

Magnus: We embargoed Japan because they were busy raping the shiate out of China.  They were already at war on the Korean peninsula and mainland China.  But, nice attempt at revisionist.  You know, the US actually has done a lot of honorable things contrary to your total "US=EVIL-ALL-THE-TIME" mentality.


I blame Poe's Law for your missing the sarcasm in "No blood for oil" is only bad when the US does it.
 
2013-04-05 01:53:50 PM  

Magnus: vygramul: PunGent: TheShavingofOccam123: Listen. For sheer bravery you cannot top air-conditioned B-29s flying low-level, facing virtually no effective anti-aircraft measures, dropping thousands upon thousands of incendiaries on civilians WHO LIVE IN WOODEN HOUSES.  Roasting 100,000 civilians in one night is a mighty brave and heroic deed.

Then LeMay got effiecient and started dropping one bomb at a time. Twice.

/amidoinitrite

Civilians who were propping up a murderous government that killed 250,000 unarmed Chinese civilians after the Doolittle raid?  In a war they started?

My sympathy is limited.

In a war THEY started? Lrn2history. We cut off their oil, and "No blood for oil" only applies to the U.S.

/iamdoinitrite

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/wwiipaccauses_2.htm

We embargoed Japan because they were busy raping the shiate out of China.  They were already at war on the Korean peninsula and mainland China.  But, nice attempt at revisionist.  You know, the US actually has done a lot of honorable things contrary to your total "US=EVIL-ALL-THE-TIME" mentality.


Yes.  You are doing it right.
 
2013-04-05 02:05:47 PM  

netcentric: Brave?     I think the Brits shot some of their own people before the battle even started.

Not like the soliders had much of an option but to stay and shoot things up a bit....


The Natal Native Contingent broke and ran just before the Zulus arrived, leaving a gaping gap in the defensive line. The others took a dim view of this, understandably.
 
2013-04-05 02:11:31 PM  
The Zulus weren't stupid. You have to remember Shaka basically re-drew a great deal about the Zulu military. He was farking crazy and he treated his troops with violence.

The Zulus would insert a pole up someone's bottom then make him sit out in the sun, both feet on the ground and with one end of a pole up the victim's ass and the other end driven into the ground. It took a long time to die that way. Sometimes necks were broken or skulls cracked in.

The Zulus never could understand the whites' refusal to eat the thorns they pulled out of wounds. Natural antibodies.
 
2013-04-05 02:12:49 PM  

stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.


especially when it's 150 men with repeating firles squaring off against a mass charge by guys with spears and hide shields.   it a damn Civilization game game ot life, except the spearmen never take out a tank in the real world
 
2013-04-05 02:17:42 PM  

Shirley Ujest: I have a 15 year old friend who is aspie and loves history. Any military stuff farkers recommend in books, i fling his direction.


The following books by David Kahn are excellent:

The Codebreakers.
Hitler's Spies
Seizing the Enigma

Another good book that is a damned good overview of the SIGINT aspect of WWII is "Codebreakers' Victory: How the Allied Cryptographers Won World War II"  By Hervie Haufler.  He was a US SIGINT weenie in Europe during WWII, but he covers all theaters of the war in a decent, readable summary.

 If your friend is major aspie and likes submarines, he'd probably love both volumes of "Hitler's U-Boat War" by Clay Blair.  It's the most comprehensive look at the Second Battle of the Atlantic in English, and it demolishes a number of cherished myths about the U-bootwaffe and their effectiveness.  Blair was a crew member of a US sub in WWII, so he's got a perspective that is unique (also, his "Silent Victory", the story of the US sub war in the Pacific, is also excellent).
 
2013-04-05 02:20:47 PM  

Magorn: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

especially when it's 150 men with repeating firles single shot rifles squaring off against a mass charge by guys with spears and hide shields.   it a damn Civilization game game ot life, except the spearmen never take out a tank in the real world


The Martini-Henry rifle used at Rorke's Drift was a single shot only:  You loaded one bullet, fired it, then you had to reload.

Today, that sort of rifle would be called a "Martini-Feinstein".
 
2013-04-05 02:28:23 PM  
Is this were every hyper lib social justice transfriend on fark comes in and says how bad the evil white man was for fighting back while outnumbered against 4000 beautiful sweet peace loving communist black people? Oh wait, yes it is.

please excuse the rest of the world if we do not take the consideration of what is brave and what is not, from a group of people who's bravest deed is walking into a new bar and asking for a strange beer.
 
2013-04-05 02:28:56 PM  

dittybopper: Magorn: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

especially when it's 150 men with repeating firles single shot rifles squaring off against a mass charge by guys with spears and hide shields.   it a damn Civilization game game ot life, except the spearmen never take out a tank in the real world

The Martini-Henry rifle used at Rorke's Drift was a single shot only:  You loaded one bullet, fired it, then you had to reload.

Today, that sort of rifle would be called a "Martini-Feinstein".


really? that late and they were still using single shots?  hrmm okay, my respect for the defenders goes up a notch or two then....
 
2013-04-05 02:34:15 PM  

Magorn: dittybopper: Magorn: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

especially when it's 150 men with repeating firles single shot rifles squaring off against a mass charge by guys with spears and hide shields.   it a damn Civilization game game ot life, except the spearmen never take out a tank in the real world

The Martini-Henry rifle used at Rorke's Drift was a single shot only:  You loaded one bullet, fired it, then you had to reload.

Today, that sort of rifle would be called a "Martini-Feinstein".

really? that late and they were still using single shots?  hrmm okay, my respect for the defenders goes up a notch or two then....


Custer used a breech-loading rifles at the Little Bighorn. The Indians bought only the best repeating rifles money could by at trading posts. Although the Indians also had inferior weapons too.
 
2013-04-05 02:39:32 PM  

stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.


Fair enough, but nobody was more aggressively imperialistic than the Zulus. Everyone in Southern Africa feared them and were damn pleased when they got smacked down.
 
2013-04-05 02:40:56 PM  

Suede head: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

Fair enough, but nobody was more aggressively imperialistic than the Zulus. Everyone in Southern Africa feared them and were damn pleased when they got smacked down.


Quiet!  You're messing with the narrative!  Racist!
 
2013-04-05 02:47:28 PM  

Magorn: dittybopper: Magorn: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

especially when it's 150 men with repeating firles single shot rifles squaring off against a mass charge by guys with spears and hide shields.   it a damn Civilization game game ot life, except the spearmen never take out a tank in the real world

The Martini-Henry rifle used at Rorke's Drift was a single shot only:  You loaded one bullet, fired it, then you had to reload.

Today, that sort of rifle would be called a "Martini-Feinstein".

really? that late and they were still using single shots?  hrmm okay, my respect for the defenders goes up a notch or two then....


They weren't muzzleloaders, but they were single shot:   Martini-Henry rifle.
 
2013-04-05 02:51:26 PM  
The British being in South Africa has nothing to do with the individual bravery of the British soldiers at Rourkes Drift. Although VCs were way easier to get back then.
 
2013-04-05 02:51:54 PM  

Magorn: dittybopper: Magorn: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

especially when it's 150 men with repeating firles single shot rifles squaring off against a mass charge by guys with spears and hide shields.   it a damn Civilization game game ot life, except the spearmen never take out a tank in the real world

The Martini-Henry rifle used at Rorke's Drift was a single shot only:  You loaded one bullet, fired it, then you had to reload.

Today, that sort of rifle would be called a "Martini-Feinstein".

really? that late and they were still using single shots?  hrmm okay, my respect for the defenders goes up a notch or two then....


The Martini was the last single shot breech in British service. The Lee-Metford would be along in less than five years, along with 10 round magazines and smokeless powder. The Martini was damn effective though, pretty much the pinnacle of the single shot breech loader. Plus it was almost 2 meters long with bayonet attached, perfect for close-in fighting.

The US dragged its legs for thirty years, finally adapting the Krag in 1898. Custer was killed less by his weapons and way more by his inclination to split his forces. The volunteers and the USNG was still equipped with Springfield '73s in 1898 as we went to war with Spain. Who had Mausers.
 
2013-04-05 03:55:31 PM  
You guys laugh at Spearmen, but they can beat Tanks!
 
2013-04-05 04:28:31 PM  

vygramul: PunGent: TheShavingofOccam123: Listen. For sheer bravery you cannot top air-conditioned B-29s flying low-level, facing virtually no effective anti-aircraft measures, dropping thousands upon thousands of incendiaries on civilians WHO LIVE IN WOODEN HOUSES.  Roasting 100,000 civilians in one night is a mighty brave and heroic deed.

Then LeMay got effiecient and started dropping one bomb at a time. Twice.

/amidoinitrite

Civilians who were propping up a murderous government that killed 250,000 unarmed Chinese civilians after the Doolittle raid?  In a war they started?

My sympathy is limited.

In a war THEY started? Lrn2history. We cut off their oil, and "No blood for oil" only applies to the U.S.

/iamdoinitrite


No, you're not doingitrite.

We stopped trading with them because they were murdering civilians in China.
They were free to buy oil elsewhere, or you know, stop murdering people...
 
2013-04-05 04:37:37 PM  

PunGent: vygramul: PunGent: TheShavingofOccam123: Listen. For sheer bravery you cannot top air-conditioned B-29s flying low-level, facing virtually no effective anti-aircraft measures, dropping thousands upon thousands of incendiaries on civilians WHO LIVE IN WOODEN HOUSES.  Roasting 100,000 civilians in one night is a mighty brave and heroic deed.

Then LeMay got effiecient and started dropping one bomb at a time. Twice.

/amidoinitrite

Civilians who were propping up a murderous government that killed 250,000 unarmed Chinese civilians after the Doolittle raid?  In a war they started?

My sympathy is limited.

In a war THEY started? Lrn2history. We cut off their oil, and "No blood for oil" only applies to the U.S.

/iamdoinitrite

No, you're not doingitrite.

We stopped trading with them because they were murdering civilians in China.
They were free to buy oil elsewhere, or you know, stop murdering people...


How naive. We pushed them around and generally made their lives miserable until they attacked us because we didn't want them taking over our markets in the Pacific.
 
2013-04-05 04:51:16 PM  

vygramul: Boudica's War Tampon: vygramul: Boudica's War Tampon: I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.

--Curtis LeMay

Dönitz planned on calling Allied submarine officers to testify when they threatened to charge him with war crimes for unrestricted submarine warfare.

I hadn't read about LeMay's Operation Starvation. According to the wiki, it was a aerial mining of Japanese home waters and approaches that prevent food and other necessities from getting to mainland Japan and prevented resupply of Japanese troops.

Aerial mining supplemented a tight Allied submarine blockade of the home islands, drastically reducing Japan's ability to supply its overseas forces to the point that postwar analysis concluded that it could have defeated Japan on its own had it begun earlier.

But, then, we wouldn't have Grave of the Fireflies.


That movie annoyed the crap out of me.
Swallow your pride, put up with your aunt, get a farking job?
No, run off into the woods and let your little sister starve to death.
 
2013-04-05 04:53:49 PM  

peasants_are_revolting: PunGent: peasants_are_revolting: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

Exactly. How the fark is this heroic? Oh, nice job, guys, you invaded another continent and slaughtered a whole bunch of its inhabitants. You managed to do this using rifles against their spears and arrows. Pretty goddamn heroic. Next, why don't you go and stomp on some puppies?

On the flip side, without colonialism, sub-Saharan Africa would've been free of those modern scourges:  writing, medicine, and the wheel...

I don't see a flip side. Look, unlike many who are critical of colonialism, I don't think all of Africa's problems came from Europe - further, most of their infrastructure wouldn't exist without it. But so what? The Spaniards demonized the Aztecs as being primitive and barbaric to justify their raping an entire continent. Your argument is no better.

Guess who invented written languages for most African people groups? Christian missionaries. You want to talk about gifts from one society to the next? Uganda executes gay people now, thanks to the dogma from those same Christian missionaries. I'm pretty sure gay people aren't spending their days on death row thanking the West for giving them the wheel.


Wasn't justifying colonialism, just pointing out that there's usually a silver lining to every "100% evil" event.

History is complicated that way.
 
2013-04-05 05:42:06 PM  

Clash City Farker: PunGent: vygramul: PunGent: TheShavingofOccam123: Listen. For sheer bravery you cannot top air-conditioned B-29s flying low-level, facing virtually no effective anti-aircraft measures, dropping thousands upon thousands of incendiaries on civilians WHO LIVE IN WOODEN HOUSES.  Roasting 100,000 civilians in one night is a mighty brave and heroic deed.

Then LeMay got effiecient and started dropping one bomb at a time. Twice.

/amidoinitrite

Civilians who were propping up a murderous government that killed 250,000 unarmed Chinese civilians after the Doolittle raid?  In a war they started?

My sympathy is limited.

In a war THEY started? Lrn2history. We cut off their oil, and "No blood for oil" only applies to the U.S.

/iamdoinitrite

No, you're not doingitrite.

We stopped trading with them because they were murdering civilians in China.
They were free to buy oil elsewhere, or you know, stop murdering people...

How naive. We pushed them around and generally made their lives miserable until they attacked us because we didn't want them taking over our markets in the Pacific.


You're trolling, right?
 
2013-04-05 06:15:58 PM  

dittybopper: Magorn: dittybopper: Magorn: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

especially when it's 150 men with repeating firles single shot rifles squaring off against a mass charge by guys with spears and hide shields.   it a damn Civilization game game ot life, except the spearmen never take out a tank in the real world

The Martini-Henry rifle used at Rorke's Drift was a single shot only:  You loaded one bullet, fired it, then you had to reload.

Today, that sort of rifle would be called a "Martini-Feinstein".

really? that late and they were still using single shots?  hrmm okay, my respect for the defenders goes up a notch or two then....

They weren't muzzleloaders, but they were single shot:   Martini-Henry rifle.


Even better, once they heated up (which took as little as a dozen shots fired), you ran the risk of the brass cartridge jamming as it expanded in the overheated gun.
 
2013-04-05 06:40:14 PM  

stellarossa: dittybopper: Magorn: dittybopper: Magorn: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

especially when it's 150 men with repeating firles single shot rifles squaring off against a mass charge by guys with spears and hide shields.   it a damn Civilization game game ot life, except the spearmen never take out a tank in the real world

The Martini-Henry rifle used at Rorke's Drift was a single shot only:  You loaded one bullet, fired it, then you had to reload.

Today, that sort of rifle would be called a "Martini-Feinstein".

really? that late and they were still using single shots?  hrmm okay, my respect for the defenders goes up a notch or two then....

They weren't muzzleloaders, but they were single shot:   Martini-Henry rifle.

Even better, once they heated up (which took as little as a dozen shots fired), you ran the risk of the brass cartridge jamming as it expanded in the overheated gun.


This is what happened to Custer's men at Little Bighorn.
 
2013-04-05 06:57:44 PM  

Clash City Farker: stellarossa: dittybopper: Magorn: dittybopper: Magorn: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

especially when it's 150 men with repeating firles single shot rifles squaring off against a mass charge by guys with spears and hide shields.   it a damn Civilization game game ot life, except the spearmen never take out a tank in the real world

The Martini-Henry rifle used at Rorke's Drift was a single shot only:  You loaded one bullet, fired it, then you had to reload.

Today, that sort of rifle would be called a "Martini-Feinstein".

really? that late and they were still using single shots?  hrmm okay, my respect for the defenders goes up a notch or two then....

They weren't muzzleloaders, but they were single shot:   Martini-Henry rifle.

Even better, once they heated up (which took as little as a dozen shots fired), you ran the risk of the brass cartridge jamming as it expanded in the overheated gun.

This is what happened to Custer's men at Little Bighorn.


If only they'd been able to bring that phantom tank
 
2013-04-05 07:05:19 PM  
Many of you people have no farking clue what you're talking about.

As a direct descendant of The Hero of Mboto Gorge, the infamous 1892 battle, I call shenanigans on all of you slobs claiming the British had it easy, used cheat codes, had an unfair advantage, etc. My great-grandfather Edmund, a member of the 45th East African Rifles, may have joked that the Watusis were only armed with kiwis and dry guava halves, but there were 10,000 of them. He, at one point, even saved the life of Douglas Haig (later to be Field Marshal) from a pygmy attack.

I resent the implication that the British army was "little more than a travel agency for men with unusually high sex drives" and that "the prerequisite for any battle was that the enemy should under no circumstances carry guns" or that "if you saw someone in a skirt, you shot him and nicked his country".

All of that is patently ludicrous on its face and anyone uttering such nonsense sould write copy for the absurdities that masquerade as comedies in these modern (or recently pre-modern) days.

You people make me laugh.

/Pffffffft!
 
2013-04-05 08:52:11 PM  

The Snow Dog: Many of you people have no farking clue what you're talking about.

As a direct descendant of The Hero of Mboto Gorge, the infamous 1892 battle, I call shenanigans on all of you slobs claiming the British had it easy, used cheat codes, had an unfair advantage, etc. My great-grandfather Edmund, a member of the 45th East African Rifles, may have joked that the Watusis were only armed with kiwis and dry guava halves, but there were 10,000 of them. He, at one point, even saved the life of Douglas Haig (later to be Field Marshal) from a pygmy attack.

I resent the implication that the British army was "little more than a travel agency for men with unusually high sex drives" and that "the prerequisite for any battle was that the enemy should under no circumstances carry guns" or that "if you saw someone in a skirt, you shot him and nicked his country".

All of that is patently ludicrous on its face and anyone uttering such nonsense sould write copy for the absurdities that masquerade as comedies in these modern (or recently pre-modern) days.

You people make me laugh.

/Pffffffft!


Should have seen some of the things my family did to whiteys on the plains, until we figured it would be better to assimilate and survive.
 
2013-04-05 11:11:59 PM  

The Snow Dog: Many of you people have no farking clue what you're talking about.

As a direct descendant of The Hero of Mboto Gorge, the infamous 1892 battle, I call shenanigans on all of you slobs claiming the British had it easy, used cheat codes, had an unfair advantage, etc. My great-grandfather Edmund, a member of the 45th East African Rifles, may have joked that the Watusis were only armed with kiwis and dry guava halves, but there were 10,000 of them. He, at one point, even saved the life of Douglas Haig (later to be Field Marshal) from a pygmy attack.

I resent the implication that the British army was "little more than a travel agency for men with unusually high sex drives" and that "the prerequisite for any battle was that the enemy should under no circumstances carry guns" or that "if you saw someone in a skirt, you shot him and nicked his country".

All of that is patently ludicrous on its face and anyone uttering such nonsense sould write copy for the absurdities that masquerade as comedies in these modern (or recently pre-modern) days.

You people make me laugh.

/Pffffffft!




I have one thing to say to that: wibble.
 
2013-04-05 11:33:56 PM  

Slam1263: The Snow Dog: Many of you people have no farking clue what you're talking about.

As a direct descendant of The Hero of Mboto Gorge, the infamous 1892 battle, I call shenanigans on all of you slobs claiming the British had it easy, used cheat codes, had an unfair advantage, etc. My great-grandfather Edmund, a member of the 45th East African Rifles, may have joked that the Watusis were only armed with kiwis and dry guava halves, but there were 10,000 of them. He, at one point, even saved the life of Douglas Haig (later to be Field Marshal) from a pygmy attack.

I resent the implication that the British army was "little more than a travel agency for men with unusually high sex drives" and that "the prerequisite for any battle was that the enemy should under no circumstances carry guns" or that "if you saw someone in a skirt, you shot him and nicked his country".

All of that is patently ludicrous on its face and anyone uttering such nonsense sould write copy for the absurdities that masquerade as comedies in these modern (or recently pre-modern) days.

You people make me laugh.

/Pffffffft!

Should have seen some of the things my family did to whiteys on the plains, until we figured it would be better to assimilate and survive.


I'm sure your family ended up having reservations about it later
 
2013-04-06 01:13:36 AM  
The Zulus should have banned guns.  Then they would have won!

LULz
 
2013-04-06 06:42:57 AM  

mbillips: peasants_are_revolting: stuhayes2010: It's hard for me to use the word Hero for invading imperial forces killing native Zulus.

Exactly. How the fark is this heroic? Oh, nice job, guys, you invaded another continent and slaughtered a whole bunch of its inhabitants. You managed to do this using rifles against their spears and arrows. Pretty goddamn heroic. Next, why don't you go and stomp on some puppies?

The Zulus had some rifles, too, but they weren't trained with them and thus inflicted few casualties. The Zulus, like the Aztecs, were one of the most expansionist, warlike colonizing civilizations in history. The Brits just had better tech. No tears shed for the Zulu empire.


Not to mention their leaders tended to be so batshiat crazy they made the Hapsburgs seem like models of sanity by comparison. Shaka impoverished his own people when his mother died by ordering all cows nursing calves to be killed, so that the calves could share in his grief. As a result, they lost the calves too. And any nursing woman was forbidden to breastfeed her child, and other absolutely dumbfark stuff. Kinda like the President of Zimbabwe giving away all the farmland to people who didn't know how to grow anything other than toe fungus.
 
2013-04-06 12:13:34 PM  
No comedians, please.
 
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