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(Kotaku)   It's amazing how many high-level execs refuse to learn that "always on and connected" is not a good thing   (kotaku.com) divider line 33
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2013-04-05 08:15:10 AM
4 votes:
Well, if by "deal with it" you mean "exercise choice when purchasing a new console" and send my money to a different company? Sure thing.
2013-04-05 08:48:04 AM
3 votes:
Telling customers to "deal with it" is bad, but it's only a symptom. Believing -- behind closed doors -- that consumers should just "deal with it" is the disease. It's a deadly disease.
2013-04-05 08:45:10 AM
3 votes:
I have a 360, I play games occasionally. I don't have a Live subscription, and likely never will. I like to play by myself, I don't play anything online, I don't like the idea of playing a game connected to strangers online. That's just me. I like to pop in a game disk, shoot some bad guys for a while, then turn it off and go back to my life. I'll play again later, in a week or a month. I don't need or want any of the online features, and I certainly don't want to pay $60 for them.
If that's my only option when it comes to buying a new console, I'll hang on to my 360 until I can no longer get games for it, then shop around for a different platform.
2013-04-05 08:43:13 AM
3 votes:

Kiribub: Well, if by "deal with it" you mean "exercise choice when purchasing a new console" and send my money to a different company? Sure thing.


Problem is that the PS4 looks like garbage as well. I don't need a constant twitter feed running on the side while I play a game, thanks.

If the 720 and PS4 continue this way I may just skip this console generation and move to PC for everything.
2013-04-05 09:38:24 AM
2 votes:
www.geek.com

Go ahead.  Keep pissing off your base.  Brand loyalty is fleeting.
2013-04-05 09:25:12 AM
2 votes:
The analogy using a vacuum cleaner and electricity is farking idiotic.  Most vacuum cleaners strictly require electricity by the nature of the device itself, whereas an always-on internet connection is only a "requirement" by virtue of some asshole exec deciding to make it a requirement.
2013-04-05 08:55:31 AM
2 votes:

ModernLuddite: My argument against online consoles:

Sometimes I just don't want to play with others. And I don't want them messaging me. Or calling me and saying "I see you're online, wanna play? Why not?".


Appropriate response for appropriate handle

Us old folks just want to play with ourselves... is that so bad?
2013-04-05 08:48:27 AM
2 votes:

way south: I'm saving my jimmies for when Microsoft has actually said something.


Well, Microsoft did say  something. That "something" was a stream of insults and mockery directed at their customers.
2013-04-05 08:46:50 AM
2 votes:
I'm not believing anything till they get into launch mode with this new console.
Right now its all "heard it from a guy" type rumors.  Most of which are either malicious or outright fabrications to drag people into clicking on websites.

I'm saving my jimmies for when Microsoft has actually said something.
2013-04-05 08:01:28 AM
2 votes:
This guy's a damn idiot. Whether you agree with always online or not, having someone at Microsoft telling their customers to "deal with it" is unacceptable. If I told one of our customers that at my place of employment, my ass would be on the street within the hour.

When are people going to learn that if you are employed, you are a representative of the company you are with whether you are clocked in to work or not, and you can't just say stupid crap like this online? Are people that idiotic?

Jesus, dude. Just shut up.
2013-04-05 04:19:40 PM
1 votes:

extroverted_suicide:  To the Moon


Cried like a farking baby. Then I bought it for ten friends.
2013-04-05 03:56:55 PM
1 votes:

uttertosh: So, quit your BS and get behind the idea that 'always online' gaming is a thing of the future past.


Please, continue. I would love to hear more about this. Especially since individual games alone that were released as "always on" were so successful (leading one company to have his CEO quit), forget an entire console with a much more widespread audience being "always online".
2013-04-05 10:22:50 AM
1 votes:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. While it might seem petty, I alone dictate how my internet is used. I pay for my internet and there's a cap on my usage. How does a publisher, console maker or game studio figure they get to decide how the limited service that I pay for is used. It doesn't matter if they're pushing 1k an hour. They don't have the right to use up my bandwidth. I will not be purchasing a console or any game that requires a constant connection, with the obvious exception of online games (MMO's, multiplayers, etc.)
2013-04-05 10:21:46 AM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Honestly no snark. One of the few things that still pulls at big corporations is the "Think of the troops!" angle. Not trying to cheapen what they do, but they do have quite a bit of say. You piss of the military folks and you'll get a lot of hate.


I ended up mastering Soul Calibur 2 on one deployment on the PS2. Wrote the publisher of the game a couple years after when I got home (don't know why, just wanted to say thanks for the fun game), and they sent me a copy of the 3rd one, thanking me for my service. I like it when companies treat their users right, and while going that far isn't really required or expected, it definitely made my day. I didn't even open the game, actually. Just mailed it back out to the guys overseas, and hoped it gave other guys some good down time.
2013-04-05 10:11:30 AM
1 votes:
Maybe if the US's internet infrastructure and speed weren't actually made up of a giant bowl of dicks trying to operate a treadmill, we could revisit this discussion with more depth on both sides of the debate.  Until then, the situation is fairly shiat.
2013-04-05 10:04:35 AM
1 votes:
Those soldiers in Kandahar should really get with the times and get internet.

I mean, the Taliban provides Internet doesn't it?

And those people on submarines have internet too.

Internet is now a fundamental human right in the military. like water. So you can enjoy it anywhere

/if there is any argument for not making a console online it is the fact you are farking over members of the military by doing so.
//They deserve all the fun time they want.
2013-04-05 09:52:45 AM
1 votes:
This is just rich people refusing to understand that their customers might be poor/ that poor people often don't have things as nice as themselves.
2013-04-05 09:40:35 AM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Has anyone told him to think of the troops? I'd like to hear his answer on that.


Dude, has anyone told him to think of the people with Time Warner cable or AT&T DSL?

Christ, being in IT, I've talked to thousands of people who suffer with upload speeds barely touching .6Mbps. Barely enough to do a VOIP phone call, forget having to constantly update with a video game server.
2013-04-05 09:29:07 AM
1 votes:
I find this hilarious.  Microsoft is really a train wreck the past few years.  The 360's interface gets shiattier with every update, Windows 8 is a turd and their strategy with it and the tablets is arrogant, and now this shiat.  I don't even care if this thing turns out to not be "always on" I'm not touching it with a 10 foot pole.  And I own a 360 and the original xbox.  It'll be funny to sit back and watch the hate flow if they announce the new console and not only is it "always on" but kinect is required and the camera can't be disabled.  Gonna be some funny threads to read if so.

I'll just wait for all the kiddos to sell off their 360 games on ebay and snatch em up for pennies.  My family will have enough games to play for life.
2013-04-05 09:19:42 AM
1 votes:

Hiro Nakamura: So what I'm hearing is fark me if I have to deploy to another shiathole and want to take my games with me.


Nailed it. My first thought. "Awesome, so I deploy again, no more MWR tents with consoles and whatnot, since we aren't going to be able to dedicate a portion of our bandwidth simply for videogames".
2013-04-05 09:18:26 AM
1 votes:
This war on piracy is getting ludicrous. It's their product and their call to make if they want to make it always online; I just know that when Diablo 3 was announced always-online, I bought Torchlight II. When Starcraft was always-online, I just reinstalled Supreme Commander FA and played that instead. SimCity 5? Bought Tropico 4.

All this will do is weaken sales and kill markets, and it evolves better mods, better hacks, and better pirates who weren't going to buy the product anyway.

And frankly, if I want to play by myself, or in a LAN, I do not want to communicate with a server a thousand km's distant. In many cases, I can't.

/i'm sorry, your car cannot communicate with the dealership server; your car's engine is unavailable at this time
2013-04-05 09:17:46 AM
1 votes:

Doc Daneeka: "Deal with it" = buy a PS4 or WiiU instead.

Vote with your dollars people.  If you find this outrageous (and you should - requiring an internet connection for a single-player experience is unnecessary, controlling, and arrogant, and bound to cause problems for lots of people), then spend your money elsewhere.


I already did.

www.pcper.com
2013-04-05 08:56:07 AM
1 votes:
Wow, if I were to act like that with a potential customer at my job I'd be fired on the spot.. Way to alienate your fanbase there arsehole...
2013-04-05 08:55:20 AM
1 votes:
So what I'm hearing is fark me if I have to deploy to another shiathole and want to take my games with me.
2013-04-05 08:53:35 AM
1 votes:
Make it an enviornment issue.

Microsoft contributes to global warming by requiring an always on internet connection. Why does microsoft hate polar bears?

Tweet that make it viral get in their faces fair share etc....
2013-04-05 08:49:02 AM
1 votes:
My argument against online consoles:

Sometimes I just don't want to play with others. And I don't want them messaging me. Or calling me and saying "I see you're online, wanna play? Why not?".
2013-04-05 08:45:03 AM
1 votes:
It looks like I'm going to have to go PC next gen. The exclusives are all meh and this nonsense will not stand.
2013-04-05 08:39:41 AM
1 votes:
Oh, and "Oh, Snap!"

i.imgur.com
2013-04-05 08:31:39 AM
1 votes:
It's been five years since I was in the Gamestop trenches, and I imagine the numbers are slightly different now.  When I gave up being the manager and went back to grad school in the fall of 2007, we had just gone through the Madden/NCAA 08 releases and were preparing for the Halo 3 launch.  I would say that at least 40% of my customers did not have access to broadband internet, and therefore had no ability to play the games online.  Shadowrun was released that same summer, and its sales were terrible not just because the game wasn't much good, but because customers of mine who were willing to preorder it did not do so because it was online-only, and if you didn't live within Time-Warner's fiefdom there was no way you were getting anything other than 56k through Embarq out in the county.

That has changed in Wilson County, though.  Everyone in the city now has access to municipal fiberoptic, and the plan is to expand that to everyone in the county very soon.  But it's only one small semi-rural county 45 minutes from a major metropolitan area (not counting the whole "Time-Warner paid the state legislature to make it illegal for other towns to do the same thing").  This is Orth's problem; he lives in Redmond or somewhere within that part of the Seattle metro area.  I'm sure there's not a neighborhood within 25 miles of him that doesn't have access to broadband.  But places like eastern North Carolina aren't like that, and I wonder when was the last time Orth lived in an area with less than 1,500 people/sq mi.
2013-04-05 08:26:50 AM
1 votes:
It's amazing how many high-level execs refuse to learn that "always on and connected" is not a good thing from their mistakes and blame it on someone else.

Not so much FTFSubby, but more like a epidemic when it comes to execs, period.
2013-04-05 08:21:45 AM
1 votes:

Alonjar: I can see both sides of the argument.  Players look at it from the perspective of being farked over by Activision/EA shiatting on their customers by cheaping out and not placing appropriate server infrastructure for their always online games, combined with horrible cost cutting based programming and flawed software design.  So we hate it.

Microsoft looks at it from the perspective of their xbox Live service, which for general discussion purposes never goes down or gets overloaded, because microsoft knows This shiat Matters to their customers.  So it makes sense they would have a different perspective, since they dont mind paying the money for appropriate servers and competent programming.

I agree in general with the "get with the times" statement though... different people have different priorities, but I for example take my internet connection seriously, and it is one of the primary factors I look at when moving and choosing a home.  If its got bullshiat internet, no thanks.  Next.

/Microsoft exec still a douche though


So if they now make me have it, do I get to stop paying them 60 a year for it?

This is all about piracy, period. Modding consoles is such a pita that its not like it is ever going to be widespread.

The major flaw here (same with EA) is that they piss off their paying customers just to keep some others for getting their stuff for free. Guess what guys? You can probably not convert pirates to paying customers. This business model may reduce piracy, but at a cost to total revenue.
2013-04-05 08:09:22 AM
1 votes:

Keywork99: This guy's a damn idiot. Whether you agree with always online or not, having someone at Microsoft telling their customers to "deal with it" is unacceptable. If I told one of our customers that at my place of employment, my ass would be on the street within the hour.

When are people going to learn that if you are employed, you are a representative of the company you are with whether you are clocked in to work or not, and you can't just say stupid crap like this online? Are people that idiotic?

Jesus, dude. Just shut up.


Look, obviously their customers will get over it.
2013-04-05 08:08:40 AM
1 votes:
I know more than 6 people who have a 360 with no internet connection, which also handicaps them when somebody releases a shiatty game that  needs a launch day patch and can't get it (ie Walking Dead)
I also know a few people without a console or internet who will never buy a console if it means they also have to get the internet.
 
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