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2013-04-05 11:51:52 AM  

italie: nocturnal001: italie: narkor: So some farkers believe that anything said on a public forum that can be tied back to their place of employment should reflect on their employability.

Good to know.


It is nice to know that some farkers have a little common sense.


Huh? Where do you guys work? No, common sense is "do not piss off potential customers in a public forum by saying something stupid".  I'm not nearly as high in my org chart as this guy is, and I know better than to get on twitter and tell my customers to "deal with it". Should this be a firable offense? Probably not, but if I were his boss I've give him a damned hard talking to.


Hey, Captain Observant...I'm on your side.


//Context.


Apologies good sir, I missed that "good to know" bit.

No need for formality, you may call me Mr. Observant if you like.
 
2013-04-05 11:53:07 AM  

AdamK: R66YRobo: Question for Subby:  What the fark are they supposed to be learning?  D3 comes out, falls flat on its face on launch, causes mass biatching on the intertubes, and made Blizzard money hand over fist.  I suspect SC will be the same for EA.  All the consumers have effectively told execs is that you can safely ignore the nerd rage and treat your customers like shiat, if it's got enough hype behind it and is tied into strong enough IP (and X-box is plenty strong as a brand), you'll still get their money and that is the ONLY thing that matters.  Always on requirements, whether for a game or console, cause a bit of internet publicity online around launch then everyone goes back to giving you cash.

Until several big games fail spectacularly (and I mean 10s of millions in losses, enough to make a major companies stock take a huge hit if not sink it), this attitude will continue to be pervasive in the established industry because it is apparently what we, as consumers, have told the companies we are fine with.

sure, that's the reality of life is that everything doesn't fit the mold we want things to fit, and even if we want things to fail - doesn't mean it'll happen

but the nice thing is that nobody is forcing you to buy an xbox, and there are many good alternatives to buying it

so if the xbox turns you off, don't buy it and move on with your life, simple as that


Oh, I had no plans on buying an X-box, I've been basically PC exclusive in my gaming for a few years now (My X-box has not even been turned on in over a year at this point).  Sorry if it sounded like I was railing against X-box, it was more of a rant against people who think that because some people on the internet shout real loud about how bad DRM is, that will somehow override the company's decisions based on profits.
 
2013-04-05 11:56:50 AM  
Time to buy new gamecube games!  I never played Metroid Prime, I heard that is good.  Deal with it.

As an avid gamer, this is why the newest systems I have are gamecube and playstation 2.

My neighborhood still doesn't have fios.  Everyday I have to balance my internet connection between roomates who might be downloading something, watching streaming video, playing an online game.

Electricity is not anything like internet access.  My electricity goes out for two minutes twice a year.  My internet has been spotty for weeks at a time.

What a nitwit.
 
2013-04-05 12:05:30 PM  

zero7717: I know people with XBox 360s who don't have a reliable internet connection, because the terrible ISP they use is the only one with service where they live.

Blame the ISPs, not the customers. If Microsoft wants an always-online console, they should lobby congress to reform our horrible internet infrastructure first.


That battle will be highly interesting:  Microsoft, Sony (and perhaps Steam and Google) v. the ISPs.  Oh the tales that will be told.
 
2013-04-05 12:07:21 PM  

Dion Fortune: Time to buy new gamecube games! I never played Metroid Prime, I heard that is good. Deal with it.

As an avid gamer, this is why the newest systems I have are gamecube and playstation 2.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-04-05 12:08:52 PM  
I wonder if this means they will have built-in wifi this time and not some shiatty add on for $100.  Wow, now that I typed that out, I'm sure they won't have built-in wifi and the adapter will probaboly cost $200 this time.
 
2013-04-05 12:10:38 PM  

debug: I wonder if this means they will have built-in wifi this time and not some shiatty add on for $100.


Their updated xbox (the Slim) already came with built-in wifi.
 
2013-04-05 12:13:27 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Antimatter: The ps4 is largely an aftershock of the ps3's massive failure in terms of profits.  It's based on PC style X86-64, an AMD apu, unified gddr5 ram, with some sony specific tweaks in some areas.  It was designed form the ground up by a legendary game designer with lots of input from other developers.  It's been near universally praised from them as a result.

Good to know, because my PS3 is just an overpriced Blu-Ray player, I don't play any games on it. It sounds like the PS4 though is going to be the X-Box killer and the X-Box 720 (What a stupid name) is going to suck donkey balls.


Ia dmit I don't play many retail ps3 games in the last year or so, mainly PSN titles and PSplus freebies.  the ps3, while it had some nice games, didn't quite match the libraries of the ps1 and ps2 in terms of timeless classics.

The ps4 is, so far, sounding a lot more appealing.  I'm really a huge fan of lets plays and speedruns, and the ps4 seems to be built to accommodate those communities quite well.  the ease of development is said to be quite a huge change, with some tasks that took weeks to months to hammer out on the ps3 taking but days on the ps4.

One of the major benefits that really went under the radar was how sony approached the dev issue.  Back in the ps2 and ps3 days, they had to rely on internal sony documentation and tools, until third party suppliers could provide better ones to help them debug and improve performance.  About midway though the ps3's lifespan, Sony up and bought one of the toolmakers, and had them develop tools to launch day and date with their new platforms.  The vita was the first one to do so, and I don't recall any developer complaining about development difficulties for that platform (not that its getting a lot of major retail games).  the ps4 will similarly have tools and optimization stuff ready day one.

Now, sony is still pushing some 'new' tech with the ps4, but this time it seems to all be related to streaming data, rather then optical disk formats.  Supposedly, the ps4 can stream with no hit to the games, has it has some custom processors dedicated to ether downloading games, or streaming data, outside the normal APU setup.

Comparing the rumored Xbox specs to the ps4's, it seems like both are based on similar designs, with the same basic CPU, but different GPU optimizations, and different ram configurations.
 
2013-04-05 12:14:20 PM  

Rwa2play: That battle will be highly interesting: Microsoft, Sony (and perhaps Steam and Google) v. the ISPs. Oh the tales that will be told.


Does Pocket Ninja get to be the minstrel? I love his stories!

www.snowlineschools.com
 
2013-04-05 12:25:35 PM  
Made a gif of the angry XBox guy but it's too big, so go here.
 
2013-04-05 12:27:22 PM  

Dion Fortune: Time to buy new gamecube games!  I never played Metroid Prime, I heard that is good.  Deal with it.

As an avid gamer, this is why the newest systems I have are gamecube and playstation 2.

My neighborhood still doesn't have fios.  Everyday I have to balance my internet connection between roomates who might be downloading something, watching streaming video, playing an online game.

Electricity is not anything like internet access.  My electricity goes out for two minutes twice a year.  My internet has been spotty for weeks at a time.

What a nitwit.


Metroid Prime 1 & 2 are both great games, even if the controls leave a bit to be desired.  Just don't expect constant combat, as there's a lot more exploration and puzzle solving than a lot of FPS games.

I also usually stick with older consoles, and just recently upgraded to an Xbox 360 after my GameCube started to die.  Unfortunately, if the new systems don't allow for the resale of games, it won't really be much of an option anymore.

That said, I was about to be all outraged about always online, and then I realized I wasn't going to buy it new anyways, so they really don't give a shiat what people like me think.  It's still a stupid move however, and will probably just push me towards PC games in the long run.
 
2013-04-05 12:33:39 PM  

Erix: Dion Fortune: Time to buy new gamecube games!  I never played Metroid Prime, I heard that is good.  Deal with it.

As an avid gamer, this is why the newest systems I have are gamecube and playstation 2.

My neighborhood still doesn't have fios.  Everyday I have to balance my internet connection between roomates who might be downloading something, watching streaming video, playing an online game.

Electricity is not anything like internet access.  My electricity goes out for two minutes twice a year.  My internet has been spotty for weeks at a time.

What a nitwit.

Metroid Prime 1 & 2 are both great games, even if the controls leave a bit to be desired.  Just don't expect constant combat, as there's a lot more exploration and puzzle solving than a lot of FPS games.

I also usually stick with older consoles, and just recently upgraded to an Xbox 360 after my GameCube started to die.  Unfortunately, if the new systems don't allow for the resale of games, it won't really be much of an option anymore.

That said, I was about to be all outraged about always online, and then I realized I wasn't going to buy it new anyways, so they really don't give a shiat what people like me think.  It's still a stupid move however, and will probably just push me towards PC games in the long run.


PC games started the DRM heavy, online only trend.  Heck, they successfully killed the PC used game market years ago.  A lot of publishers seem to be pushing consoles to adopt the same sort of software restrictions to similarly kill their used game market.
 
2013-04-05 12:35:37 PM  
And his little Twitter avatar/face-drawing-thingy just screams "douche."
 
2013-04-05 12:35:38 PM  
Antimatter:  PC games started the DRM heavy, online only trend.  Heck, they successfully killed the PC used game market years ago.  A lot of publishers seem to be pushing consoles to adopt the same sort of software restrictions to similarly kill their used game market.

Ah yes, the "cut my nose off to spite my face" strategy.
 
2013-04-05 12:35:56 PM  

nocturnal001: italie: nocturnal001: italie: narkor: So some farkers believe that anything said on a public forum that can be tied back to their place of employment should reflect on their employability.

Good to know.


It is nice to know that some farkers have a little common sense.


Huh? Where do you guys work? No, common sense is "do not piss off potential customers in a public forum by saying something stupid".  I'm not nearly as high in my org chart as this guy is, and I know better than to get on twitter and tell my customers to "deal with it". Should this be a firable offense? Probably not, but if I were his boss I've give him a damned hard talking to.


Hey, Captain Observant...I'm on your side.


//Context.

Apologies good sir, I missed that "good to know" bit.

No need for formality, you may call me Mr. Observant if you like.


No apologies needed Cpt'...Sir...uhhh Mr.
 
2013-04-05 12:37:18 PM  

Antimatter: PC games started the DRM heavy, online only trend. Heck, they successfully killed the PC used game market years ago. A lot of publishers seem to be pushing consoles to adopt the same sort of software restrictions to similarly kill their used game market.


So what you're saying is that I probably won't be playing many games released after this next generation of consoles comes out.  That kinda sucks, but oh well.  There are enough old games out there to keep me busy for a long time.
 
2013-04-05 12:39:08 PM  

s1ugg0: Antimatter: Flappyhead: You'd think after Sony royally farked the PS3 launch and essentially gave XBOX who knows how many millions as a result Microsoft would have learned not to piss off the fanbase prior to a new system release.

Third console syndrome is in effect.  The xbox did well, and the 360 did excellent in some areas, so MS is seemingly adopting the same thing that sony did for the ps3 and Nintendo for the N64:  make the device they want, gamers be damned.  After all, they think they have a captive audience.

I was always an Xbox player because the PS3 line up didn't appeal to me.  What happened with the PS3 launch?

/Too lazy to google


A variety of things.  First it was delayed because of hardware issues.  That was further compounded by being difficult to develop for which lead to a poor selection of launch titles and a trickle of new releases.  Sony figured it wouldn't matter since the big AAA titles(MGS4, Killzone 2, etc) were on the way and they were dead wrong.  Honestly if it hadn't been for Uncharted I'm not sure how well the sales would have done after year 1.
 
2013-04-05 12:40:13 PM  
I've got an easy solution for those "always on" toys that I got, its a $30 smart power strip.  There are 3 style plugs, some that are always on, some that toggle on and off, and one that controls the ones that toggle.  So my TV or computer plug into the controller switch, items like the monitor, DVD player, gaming systems, etc... are in the controlled switches so that when the TV or computer get turned off, power is physically disabled to those ports.  Items like the DVR are in the always on so that it can keep recording whether the TV is on or off.  Everyone that I knew that got a Wii or PS3/Xbox360 complained about a $20 increase in their power bills from their always on.  Mine actually went down since it is impossible for those devices to connect once their controlling device was turned off.
 
2013-04-05 12:41:45 PM  

beerdini: I've got an easy solution for those "always on" toys that I got, its a $30 smart power strip.  There are 3 style plugs, some that are always on, some that toggle on and off, and one that controls the ones that toggle.  So my TV or computer plug into the controller switch, items like the monitor, DVD player, gaming systems, etc... are in the controlled switches so that when the TV or computer get turned off, power is physically disabled to those ports.  Items like the DVR are in the always on so that it can keep recording whether the TV is on or off.  Everyone that I knew that got a Wii or PS3/Xbox360 complained about a $20 increase in their power bills from their always on.  Mine actually went down since it is impossible for those devices to connect once their controlling device was turned off.


Not sure you get what the "always on" is about here..
 
2013-04-05 12:45:38 PM  
Dear jacknut:
It's a bit asinine that you require online access for something that doesn't need it.  What's next, requiring online access for your toaster or desk lamp?

You want to incorporate more features to encourage or heighten the experience, then fine.  But doing it for little damn reason but as a ham fisted copyright move is just bull.
 
2013-04-05 12:47:59 PM  
I'm going to go against the grain here and say this jerkoff was making an attempt at sarcasm that quickly got out of hand.

/Still refuse to believe MS would purposely botch the Xbox brand.  Especially after they see how quickly all this negativity fosters.
 
2013-04-05 12:55:21 PM  

tacchimonster: I'm going to go against the grain here and say this jerkoff was making an attempt at sarcasm that quickly got out of hand.

/Still refuse to believe MS would purposely botch the Xbox brand.  Especially after they see how quickly all this negativity fosters.


Then you'd think they would announce that it won't require always online.  And soon too, seeing how much negative publicity they're getting over this.
 
2013-04-05 01:06:47 PM  

Erix: Antimatter: PC games started the DRM heavy, online only trend. Heck, they successfully killed the PC used game market years ago. A lot of publishers seem to be pushing consoles to adopt the same sort of software restrictions to similarly kill their used game market.

So what you're saying is that I probably won't be playing many games released after this next generation of consoles comes out.  That kinda sucks, but oh well.  There are enough old games out there to keep me busy for a long time.


Right now, none are confirmed to have DRM to prevent used games, or always online, it's all just rumors.  Hopefully, it stays rumors.
 
2013-04-05 01:10:35 PM  

DicksWii: fluffy2097: Those soldiers in Kandahar should really get with the times and get internet.

I mean, the Taliban provides Internet doesn't it?

And those people on submarines have internet too.

Internet is now a fundamental human right in the military. like water. So you can enjoy it anywhere

/if there is any argument for not making a console online it is the fact you are farking over members of the military by doing so.
//They deserve all the fun time they want.

Deployments and TDYs are bad. Stationed in another country for a long amount of time is worse. I couldn't get any of the American servers perks of XBox Live while i was in England. Some of the games wouldn't download because they saw my xbox as being in Europe and some of those games weren't clear for launch in that area (DOOM on XBLA for example). Also the Indie games wouldn't operate without an active connection to XBL. After about two months i let the subscription lapse because the headaches weren't worth it. Also, screw BT and their damned data caps and their legal monopoly in rural England.

I only illustrate that example because i lived it, i couldn't imagine trying it in other parts of the world. I had thought England would've been the best case scenario. It also sucked because of the whole PAL/NTSC issues that i had as well.

/tl;dr, I could ONLY play single player games that i bought second hand. If i had to do that during this upcoming console generation, i would go on a murderous rampage.


This seems to only be a problem with the 360. The ps3 is the perfect system to take abroad. I am currently using an American PS3 in Russia, so this is all first-hand. First of all, it's unadvertised and not labelled, but it has a universal power supply, so there is no need for voltage conversion, only a plug adapter. Secondly, disc based ps3 games are pretty much region free, so I can buy almost any game here and use it normally. PSN games aren't locked to accounts, so I can download games using my Russian account and play them with my American one to keep all the trophies on the same account. The only two problems are that DLC for games is region locked (but with two accounts, that's not a big problem), and that Blu-ray movies are also region-locked. But yeah, that's not a big issue. Other than that, a playstation is the best bet to take abroad.
 
2013-04-05 01:10:45 PM  

Flappyhead: s1ugg0: Antimatter: Flappyhead: You'd think after Sony royally farked the PS3 launch and essentially gave XBOX who knows how many millions as a result Microsoft would have learned not to piss off the fanbase prior to a new system release.

Third console syndrome is in effect.  The xbox did well, and the 360 did excellent in some areas, so MS is seemingly adopting the same thing that sony did for the ps3 and Nintendo for the N64:  make the device they want, gamers be damned.  After all, they think they have a captive audience.

I was always an Xbox player because the PS3 line up didn't appeal to me.  What happened with the PS3 launch?

/Too lazy to google

A variety of things.  First it was delayed because of hardware issues.  That was further compounded by being difficult to develop for which lead to a poor selection of launch titles and a trickle of new releases.  Sony figured it wouldn't matter since the big AAA titles(MGS4, Killzone 2, etc) were on the way and they were dead wrong.  Honestly if it hadn't been for Uncharted I'm not sure how well the sales would have done after year 1.


It wasn't uncharted that saved them, it was the ps3 slim dropping to $299, and the excellent Kevin Butler ads.  Uncharted 1 was an average game over all, that series didn't become awesome till UC2 blew people away.  MGS4 was a massive hit though.
 
2013-04-05 01:12:06 PM  
I don't know why, but I somehow find it fitting that this Adam Orth chap was a creative director over at LucasArts...
 
2013-04-05 01:21:13 PM  

Antimatter: Erix: Antimatter: PC games started the DRM heavy, online only trend. Heck, they successfully killed the PC used game market years ago. A lot of publishers seem to be pushing consoles to adopt the same sort of software restrictions to similarly kill their used game market.

So what you're saying is that I probably won't be playing many games released after this next generation of consoles comes out.  That kinda sucks, but oh well.  There are enough old games out there to keep me busy for a long time.

Right now, none are confirmed to have DRM to prevent used games, or always online, it's all just rumors.  Hopefully, it stays rumors.


---

Jesus, one can only hope.

If I had to place a bet, though, it would be that all this "Microsoft retooling the new Xbox to compete with Sony's PS4" talk we've been hearing about lately is actually MS last-ditch scramble to strip away all the "always on" aspects they originally designed into their new console so that they don't look like complete fools.

Then again, I've never exactly had the best luck at the table.  So in all likelihood we all better start getting used to the Playstation controller again.
 
2013-04-05 01:29:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Erix: Cyno01: He kinda has a point. Yeah it sucks for rural folks without access to broadband, but internet has become a utility. They didnt used to be able to get electricity out in the sticks either, did that stop anyone from selling electric lights? If my power goes out frequently do i biatch that all my stupid devices need to be plugged in to work, or do i biatch about my power company?

Except they are intentionally designing in this requirement, that is otherwise not an intrinsic part of the product.  Your analogy doesn't work because light bulbs fill no purpose without electricity.  A gaming system without internet still works as a gaming system.  Well, apparently except for the next Xbox.

That's why his vacuum cleaner analogy fails. If my electricity goes out, my xbox won't work either, so I shouldn't buy an xbox? The vacuum cleaner REQUIRES energy to run. If Hoover built a vacuum that requires an always-online connection, no way in hell will I buy that vacuum.


"I'm sorry but I can't reach the Hoover update servers. 'Suck' has been disabled until such a time as connectivity is restored. 'Blow' engaged."
 
2013-04-05 01:40:08 PM  

StrangeQ: nocturnal001: I seriously might not buy the new Xbox if its always on.

Yes, you will.  And they know it.

It doesn't matter what kind of abuse game and console developers pile on gamers, they will always come back and buy because they are hopelessly and pathetically addicted.


Over-simplification is overly simplified
 
2013-04-05 01:43:22 PM  

Antimatter: PC games started the DRM heavy, online only trend. Heck, they successfully killed the PC used game market years ago. A lot of publishers seem to be pushing consoles to adopt the same sort of software restrictions to similarly kill their used game market.


While this is true, the fact that PC gaming is a thriving, competitive marketplace ensures that games are priced accordingly (i.e. Steam sales).  I see little reason to hope that console gaming will end up the same way, especially considering that any move against used games will essentially kill all dedicated game retailers, from Gamestop down to the mom-and-pop shops, and leave the entire industry in the hands of WalMart and Best Buy.
 
2013-04-05 01:50:51 PM  

ederosia: Telling customers to "deal with it" is bad, but it's only a symptom. Believing -- behind closed doors -- that consumers should just "deal with it" is the disease. It's a deadly disease.


It is and it isn't. In a software product sense, video games are incredibly expensive to produce and are of extremely high value for users. I'm consistently surprised that any ever get produced at all. They are far more complex than line-of-business applications that are orders of magnitude more expensive. Users' standards for quality are impossibly high. Not only does the game have to "work", it has to be fun, too. All this for $60, and the hardware to run it on costs what? $400? That's pretty amazing, compared to other multi-thousand-person-hour systems.

I know that probably doesn't make anyone feel any better, but you should take a moment to appreciate what you're getting compared to other software users (Oracle users know what I'm talking about).

That having been said, any and all efforts to curate a game's user base and try to squeeze profit out of it is understandable. Endeavoring to make video games is a labor of love, emphasis on labor. The gaming community is the most discriminating and vocal user base in the world, with the lowest level of technical proficiency, all engaged in what would be most accurately described as intentionally wasting their own time. Take a moment to pour out some Mountain Dew for the companies willing to engage this angry mob of impoverished malcontents before you start up the rending of garments :)
 
2013-04-05 01:54:42 PM  
My theory right now is that he was actually put up to this by the company itself.  Get all the outrage all out of people's systems now, so that when the product does finally hit the shelves, all these people who right now are saying half-heartedly "Gee whiz, I might not even buy this now", will have already come back around to "Is it out yet?  Can I give you my money yet?!  Oh pleasepleaseplease let me buy it, I don't care about that online stuff."  Microsoft knows, as we do, that those people were always going to buy it, but they need them to buy it in the first week or month in order to meet their sales projections.  Now, when this discussion comes up again around launch time, those people will already have come to grips with it and the rest of the people who are still outraged will just look like they're beating a horse that died many months and miles back.
 
2013-04-05 02:07:22 PM  

Klivian: Kiribub: Well, if by "deal with it" you mean "exercise choice when purchasing a new console" and send my money to a different company? Sure thing.

Problem is that the PS4 looks like garbage as well. I don't need a constant twitter feed running on the side while I play a game, thanks.

If the 720 and PS4 continue this way I may just skip this console generation and move to PC for everything.


I've moved towards PC for everything as well. With Steam, Mods, and Cheats it's a clear winner for me.
 
2013-04-05 02:13:49 PM  
Goddamit, am I going to have to just stop trying to enjoy playing new video games? It's getting to be too much goddam work. GoG.com, you're the best.
 
2013-04-05 02:13:54 PM  

beerdini: I've got an easy solution for those "always on" toys that I got, its a $30 smart power strip.  There are 3 style plugs, some that are always on, some that toggle on and off, and one that controls the ones that toggle.  So my TV or computer plug into the controller switch, items like the monitor, DVD player, gaming systems, etc... are in the controlled switches so that when the TV or computer get turned off, power is physically disabled to those ports.  Items like the DVR are in the always on so that it can keep recording whether the TV is on or off.  Everyone that I knew that got a Wii or PS3/Xbox360 complained about a $20 increase in their power bills from their always on.  Mine actually went down since it is impossible for those devices to connect once their controlling device was turned off.


Not sure if serious....
 
2013-04-05 02:14:25 PM  

Alonjar: I agree in general with the "get with the times" statement though...


UNC_Samurai: It's been five years since I was in the Gamestop trenches, and I imagine the numbers are slightly different now.  When I gave up being the manager and went back to grad school in the fall of 2007, we had just gone through the Madden/NCAA 08 releases and were preparing for the Halo 3 launch.  I would say that at least 40% of my customers did not have access to broadband internet, and therefore had no ability to play the games online.  Shadowrun was released that same summer, and its sales were terrible not just because the game wasn't much good, but because customers of mine who were willing to preorder it did not do so because it was online-only, and if you didn't live within Time-Warner's fiefdom there was no way you were getting anything other than 56k through Embarq out in the county.


Beyond that, there's also the fact that you had to pay for Xbox Live Gold if you did have a connection good enough to play the game with. So: Xbox owners -56K or unconnected owners -Silver owners = the base number of potential customers for Shadowrun. Then there's customers who don't like online shooters, customers who don't like Shadowrun specfically, customers who don't have any friends who like online shooters...
 
2013-04-05 02:20:55 PM  

digistil: Strategeryz0r: Gentlemen(I would say ladies too but it IS a gaming thread),

The choice is clear.

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LOL!!! Did you read the review on the Verge?


The same review that complained it was shaped like the Chinese takeout box? And was upset about the "lack of AAA titles" at launch, not even mentioning that the retail launch isn't until June?

IGN and engadget did much more even-handed reviews. There are definitely legitimate gripes about the Ouya (possible controller issues particularly concern me, since hardware issues are harder to fix), but the writer at Verge clearly had a grudge or a bias (or something).
 
2013-04-05 02:28:34 PM  

Cyno01: Ignored "Cyno01". If you want to completely hide ignored user comments, change the "Show header of ignored comments" option in your user profile.


It did, in fact, prevent them from selling electric lights in "the sticks." The difference being that once rural areas had electricity- which took a fark of a lot longer than you probably think it did, at least in some areas -they didn't then revise the design of the lightbulb and decide to tack on more requirements than just electricity.

Better question than your power outage one: if they decide to show naked contempt for potential customers and make their product more exclusive, who exactly is being hurt?
 
2013-04-05 02:32:19 PM  

Supes: digistil: Strategeryz0r: Gentlemen(I would say ladies too but it IS a gaming thread),

The choice is clear.

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LOL!!! Did you read the review on the Verge?

The same review that complained it was shaped like the Chinese takeout box? And was upset about the "lack of AAA titles" at launch, not even mentioning that the retail launch isn't until June?

IGN and engadget did much more even-handed reviews. There are definitely legitimate gripes about the Ouya (possible controller issues particularly concern me, since hardware issues are harder to fix), but the writer at Verge clearly had a grudge or a bias (or something).


The Ouyas biggest issue is well, it doesn't seem to know what it wants to be.  Is it a game console?  a apple/google tv style set top box, an android indie development kit, what?  So far it sounds like it tries to be all of those, but doesn't really succeed at any of them.
 
2013-04-05 02:34:46 PM  

narkor: So some farkers believe that anything said on a public forum that can be tied back to their place of employment should reflect on their employability.

Good to know.


That's a pretty disingenuous, reductio-ad-absurdum way of looking at it. I assume intentionally so, to make some kind of point, probably political. Correct me if I'm wrong, I won't see either way.

But you should be aware, for the sake of your own future employability, that any public statements you make about your company's own product and policies is going to reflect on the company, especially if you have "director" in your title. And if you have made them in a douchey way, the public will be unhappy, and odds are your superiors will then be unhappy.
 
2013-04-05 02:38:39 PM  
Looks like Francis here isn't taking the news very well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW28VSmXnCo
 
2013-04-05 02:54:47 PM  

Antimatter: The Ouyas biggest issue is well, it doesn't seem to know what it wants to be.  Is it a game console?  a apple/google tv style set top box, an android indie development kit, what?  So far it sounds like it tries to be all of those, but doesn't really succeed at any of them.


I mean, the original idea behind the Ouya was to create a console development platform where anyone could make and market a game (in contrast to the relatively difficult development environments from the main consoles).

This has been twisted, both in reviews, the news, and by Ouya itself. Now I see reviews comparing Ouya to the 360 and PS3, which is ridiculous. And the good people at Ouya are trying to get all these new apps released (emulators and various streaming services chief among them) that also fall outside the "purpose" of Ouya.

Frankly, I have no idea where the system will end up, but I'm very curious to see how development has progressed when the retail release arrives in June. I've been putting off getting an Android stick, and might get the Ouya instead if things look like they're heading in the right direction.
 
2013-04-05 03:01:11 PM  
NO GUYS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

WE NEED TO PROTECT THE CORPORATIONS' PROFITS AT NO DISCERNIBLE BENEFIT TO OUR OWN INTERESTS

THAT'S WHAT CAPITALISM IS ALL ABOUT
 
2013-04-05 03:15:38 PM  

tboucher: You know why this shiat works and they keep doing it?

Because millions of idiots keep buying the stuff even after biatching about it.

Diablo 3...Simcity ....all examples of horrible fails of a launch yet people line up and throw money at them.

They know you people just biatch and moan and then throw money at it so you can biatch and moan and try and get something out of them for free.

No one learns.


That's true, but don't you feel that these problems are a bit overblown?  Ok, I couldn't play Diablo 3 for a couple of days...that's it.  Same with Simcity.  Christ, I couldn't play a game for a couple of days, it will be ok.  Also, when it comes to always connected, everyone here obviously has the internet.  Ok, so most are complaining in favor of those who DON'T have the internet?  I get the military posts and that stinks if everything is true about this but for the average person, don't we all have the farking internet at this point?  As far as it going down, the absolute worst example in gaming history seems to be Simcity.  People couldn't play that game for a week.  That's it.  And that's the worst possible outcome, you wouldn't be able to play a video game for a week.  And that's unlikely to happen to MS' servers.  No one died, no ones 401k got stolen, you couldn't play a game for a week.  As far as the guy saying "deal with it", who cares?  Do we all have paper thin skin at this point?  OOOOO, he said deal with it, how unprofessional.

No matter how hard I try, I just CAN'T get worked up over video games.  I just like reading these threads and seeing the professional victims come out of the woodwork.
 
2013-04-05 03:17:00 PM  

LeafyGreens: Looks like Francis here isn't taking the news very well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW28VSmXnCo


Nice perspective on life, that video.

/feels better about self already
//has done some horrible things in his time
///nobody ever pulled an axe on my, erm, current-self-in-leiu-of-future self. (is that the equiv of him axin a 360?)
 
2013-04-05 03:26:17 PM  
It's funny that I've found myself moving towards PC games more and more myself. I still have and enjoy my PS3, since the majority of games I play on it never come out on anything else (Mainly the Disgaea Series, some Dynasty Warriors games, stuff like that).

Course, I'm hardly one to get the latest and greatest thing when it comes out on PC either.

Course, i couldn't be more pleased to see MS shooting themselves int he foot. I don't know how, but somehow the X-Box seems responsible for the 'dudebro' segment of gamers that were dragged in by Halo and love their FPS games and Sports games. I'm sure there are plenty of gamers who play those that aren't insufferable douchebags, and that they always existed, but their numbers severely increased thanks to the X-Box, so seeing MS stumble like this is delightful.
 
2013-04-05 03:32:02 PM  

LeafyGreens: Looks like Francis here isn't taking the news very well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW28VSmXnCo


I was wondering when he was going to make a video.
 
2013-04-05 03:39:46 PM  

uttertosh: ///nobody ever pulled an axe on my, erm, current-self-in-leiu-of-future self. (is that the equiv of him axin a 360?)


It's a character he plays. He has a plethora of broken consoles and whatnot people give him, just for the show. It isn't the first he's "destroyed", won't be the last.

Regardless, the things he said? Spot on right.
 
2013-04-05 03:41:08 PM  
MS needs to fire this douchenozzle to save face.
 
2013-04-05 03:46:44 PM  

uttertosh: LeafyGreens: Looks like Francis here isn't taking the news very well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW28VSmXnCo

Nice perspective on life, that video.

/feels better about self already
//has done some horrible things in his time
///nobody ever pulled an axe on my, erm, current-self-in-leiu-of-future self. (is that the equiv of him axin a 360?)


He's doing a bit. I mean the morbid obesity isn't a bit but the behavior is.
 
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