Hiro Nakamura: scottydoesntknow: RoxtarRyan: Hiro Nakamura: So what I'm hearing is fark me if I have to deploy to another shiathole and want to take my games with me.Nailed it. My first thought. "Awesome, so I deploy again, no more MWR tents with consoles and whatnot, since we aren't going to be able to dedicate a portion of our bandwidth simply for videogames".Has anyone told him to think of the troops? I'd like to hear his answer on that.I know you're just snarkin' but it's just one example of a portion of the market that will be excluded. My family lives in southern Illinois and can only get 1M download speeds still- on a good day. I live in the middle of a decent sized city with Charter and a fiber optic alternative so it's not an issue for me until I want to take me system outside of my home. Literally anywhere else I travel to on a regular basis won't afford me he same opportunity that I have at my house.
Cyno01: He kinda has a point. Yeah it sucks for rural folks without access to broadband, but internet has become a utility. They didnt used to be able to get electricity out in the sticks either, did that stop anyone from selling electric lights? If my power goes out frequently do i biatch that all my stupid devices need to be plugged in to work, or do i biatch about my power company?
thurstonxhowell: t3knomanser: What does that have to do with anything? The cost of the physical copy, when produced in bulk, is pennies per disc. The retail space isn't exactly a lot, either. Cheaper than books, and the mass-market paperbacks are already so cheap that they're basically considered disposable goods by the industry (which is why unsold books are supposed to be destroyed).The retailer's gotta get a cut. They're not a charity. The cost of each unit may be vanishingly small, but the cut of profits that the retailer takes is not.Lack of physical products or need to kickback money to console manufacturers is what allows downloadable PC games to be so, so much cheaper than console games.
RoxtarRyan: I'm going to be running a video game tournament at a bar I work at, and have to be very careful to pick out games that offer local, same-system multiplayer. What ever happened to being able to do offline LAN multiplayer without having to go through a server hundreds or thousands of miles away?
thatboyoverthere: nocturnal001: Alonjar: I can see both sides of the argument. Players look at it from the perspective of being farked over by Activision/EA shiatting on their customers by cheaping out and not placing appropriate server infrastructure for their always online games, combined with horrible cost cutting based programming and flawed software design. So we hate it.Microsoft looks at it from the perspective of their xbox Live service, which for general discussion purposes never goes down or gets overloaded, because microsoft knows This shiat Matters to their customers. So it makes sense they would have a different perspective, since they dont mind paying the money for appropriate servers and competent programming.I agree in general with the "get with the times" statement though... different people have different priorities, but I for example take my internet connection seriously, and it is one of the primary factors I look at when moving and choosing a home. If its got bullshiat internet, no thanks. Next./Microsoft exec still a douche thoughSo if they now make me have it, do I get to stop paying them 60 a year for it?This is all about piracy, period. Modding consoles is such a pita that its not like it is ever going to be widespread.The major flaw here (same with EA) is that they piss off their paying customers just to keep some others for getting their stuff for free. Guess what guys? You can probably not convert pirates to paying customers. This business model may reduce piracy, but at a cost to total revenue.Actually I pirate all the time but manily due to lack of funds. A lot of the games that I pirate and love I wind up buying later on./Especially when it's the Steam Sale. I make sure to do my best to get money when that happens.//And the humble bundle, and the Indy Bundle.///What I'm trying to say is lower your prices game industry. You no longer need physical copies to sell games anymore.
thurstonxhowell: Dimensio: What are you purchasing? When I last priced video cards, they were more expensive than any current generation game console.I'm running a card I bought a year and a half ago for $100. As far as I know, it will run every game out there. Sometimes I don't get to crank all the settings to the max, but I still get better visuals than consoles. Plus, with Steam sales, I have a huge backlog of games I bought incredibly cheaply.If you're attached to having a controller, for some reason, XBox controllers work great on the PC.
scottydoesntknow: Honestly no snark. One of the few things that still pulls at big corporations is the "Think of the troops!" angle. Not trying to cheapen what they do, but they do have quite a bit of say. You piss of the military folks and you'll get a lot of hate.
uttertosh: "Sometimes the electricity goes out. I will not buy a vacuum cleaner."orly?!?
KhamanV: Maybe if the US's internet infrastructure and speed weren't actually made up of a giant bowl of dicks trying to operate a treadmill, we could revisit this discussion with more depth on both sides of the debate. Until then, the situation is fairly shiat.
italie: narkor: So some farkers believe that anything said on a public forum that can be tied back to their place of employment should reflect on their employability.Good to know.It is nice to know that some farkers have a little common sense.
enik: What a douche. I'd love to know where this turd lives if he never experiences outages.
s1ugg0: Antimatter: Flappyhead: You'd think after Sony royally farked the PS3 launch and essentially gave XBOX who knows how many millions as a result Microsoft would have learned not to piss off the fanbase prior to a new system release.Third console syndrome is in effect. The xbox did well, and the 360 did excellent in some areas, so MS is seemingly adopting the same thing that sony did for the ps3 and Nintendo for the N64: make the device they want, gamers be damned. After all, they think they have a captive audience.I was always an Xbox player because the PS3 line up didn't appeal to me. What happened with the PS3 launch?/Too lazy to google
StrangeQ: nocturnal001: I seriously might not buy the new Xbox if its always on.Yes, you will. And they know it.It doesn't matter what kind of abuse game and console developers pile on gamers, they will always come back and buy because they are hopelessly and pathetically addicted.
China White Tea: The analogy using a vacuum cleaner and electricity is farking idiotic. Most vacuum cleaners strictly require electricity by the nature of the device itself, whereas an always-on internet connection is only a "requirement" by virtue of some asshole exec deciding to make it a requirement.
cefm: My current XBox360 is NOT connected to the internet - because it's on the other side of the house from my internet line and I sure as hell am not running that cable myself. I purchased Microsoft's "wireless" connector for a $50 ripoff and it promptly refused to recognize my home wifi and insisted that it needed to be connected to the internet to install updates. Catch-22 anyone?So if this genius can't figure out why always on is bad, then he deserves to get fired or at least be honest about WHY he wants "always on" and that he doesn't give two shiats about the customer.
Fubini: One third of the country doesn't have broadband internet. So you're gonna shut those people out, but if they don't have broadband they're probably troglodytes anyway, amirite?http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/119-million-americans-lack-b ro adband-internet-fcc-reports/
RoxtarRyan: Looks like this guy is taking a page from the EA playbook of having contempt for your userbase. Hopefully he'll also go the way the last EA CEO did with their shiat release of their "always on" game.
s1ugg0: KhamanV: Maybe if the US's internet infrastructure and speed weren't actually made up of a giant bowl of dicks trying to operate a treadmill, we could revisit this discussion with more depth on both sides of the debate. Until then, the situation is fairly shiat.Whoa. Hold up. Telco Engineer here. Please do not mistake the national fiberoptic infrastructure with your local residential provider.The fiber between cities and coasts is excellent. It's your local ISP who refuses to invest in their network and maintenance that is the problem. Have you ever been inside your local central office?[lh3.ggpht.com image 640x480]This is not uncommon.
Antimatter: The ps4 is largely an aftershock of the ps3's massive failure in terms of profits. It's based on PC style X86-64, an AMD apu, unified gddr5 ram, with some sony specific tweaks in some areas. It was designed form the ground up by a legendary game designer with lots of input from other developers. It's been near universally praised from them as a result.
nocturnal001: and I know better than to get on twitter and tell my customers to "deal with it".
kab: While he's an asshole for *how* he said that, one thing is certain. If the next gen consoles are always on-line, gamers most certainly will yell and write strongly worded emails / posts, but buy it anyhow.Gamers will put up with all sorts of shiat as long as they can play.
Lumbar Puncture: He didn't say that to a customer, he said that to a developer who he knows and is friends with who works at Bioware. It got turned into a bigger deal because people were freaking out about the rumors spread by Kotaku earlier in the day that the next Xbox would be always connected, despite no announcement or confirmation of such by Microsoft.
fluffy2097: Lumbar Puncture: He didn't say that to a customer, he said that to a developer who he knows and is friends with who works at Bioware. It got turned into a bigger deal because people were freaking out about the rumors spread by Kotaku earlier in the day that the next Xbox would be always connected, despite no announcement or confirmation of such by Microsoft.He DID respond to customers.He told them he wouldn't buy a vaccum because sometimes his power goes out.And he told people to move where the internet is if they want to play Xbox. (Sam Kinnison was the only one who ever pulled that joke off)
R66YRobo: Question for Subby: What the fark are they supposed to be learning? D3 comes out, falls flat on its face on launch, causes mass biatching on the intertubes, and made Blizzard money hand over fist. I suspect SC will be the same for EA. All the consumers have effectively told execs is that you can safely ignore the nerd rage and treat your customers like shiat, if it's got enough hype behind it and is tied into strong enough IP (and X-box is plenty strong as a brand), you'll still get their money and that is the ONLY thing that matters. Always on requirements, whether for a game or console, cause a bit of internet publicity online around launch then everyone goes back to giving you cash.Until several big games fail spectacularly (and I mean 10s of millions in losses, enough to make a major companies stock take a huge hit if not sink it), this attitude will continue to be pervasive in the established industry because it is apparently what we, as consumers, have told the companies we are fine with.
randomjsa: I've always said that no product could ever have the failure rate of the 360 and remain on the market... I'm trying to imagine what would happen if a high end video card had that kind of failure rate.Or even better, a hard drive.
Lumbar Puncture: Still as a creative director at the company, and the history of dumb shiat blowing up in people's facing on twitter, he should be more careful about how he responds to even friends publicly.
Gergesa: Alonjar: Microsoft looks at it from the perspective of their xbox Live service, which for general discussion purposes never goes down or gets overloaded, because microsoft knows This shiat Matters to their customers. So it makes sense they would have a different perspective, since they dont mind paying the money for appropriate servers and competent programming.It is a draconian method for trying to counter piracy and it is insulting in the extreme because it treats all customers as presumed guilty.I absolutely will not purchase products like this from any company and any company who pursues this type of policy will be inciting ill will in their potential customer base.
nocturnal001: italie: narkor: So some farkers believe that anything said on a public forum that can be tied back to their place of employment should reflect on their employability.Good to know.It is nice to know that some farkers have a little common sense.Huh? Where do you guys work? No, common sense is "do not piss off potential customers in a public forum by saying something stupid". I'm not nearly as high in my org chart as this guy is, and I know better than to get on twitter and tell my customers to "deal with it". Should this be a firable offense? Probably not, but if I were his boss I've give him a damned hard talking to.
fluffy2097: Those soldiers in Kandahar should really get with the times and get internet.I mean, the Taliban provides Internet doesn't it?And those people on submarines have internet too.Internet is now a fundamental human right in the military. like water. So you can enjoy it anywhere/if there is any argument for not making a console online it is the fact you are farking over members of the military by doing so.//They deserve all the fun time they want.
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