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2013-04-05 06:56:45 AM
What oil spill?

Move on, Citizen.
 
2013-04-05 07:03:42 AM

sleeps in trees: Really? I sit with my polyester clothes, my plastic everything, making my organic food that I bought with gas and was shipped by a deisel truck paid by my money made from oil.

Oh god, shut up. Find a solution for the population not vilificaction.


The solution is getting these companies to be responsible.  That isn't going to happen until their BS has soem light shed on it, and shedding light on their BS isn't vilification.


Palin2012: I live within 8 miles of the oil spill. I have posted several articles since it began but typically fark tends to post second hand accounts. There has been a large public backlash against Exxon for not letting people rescue tar covered animals. Private land owners gave several groups permission to rescue said animals and Exxon confronted the animal rescuers. The confrontation has reached the point that people are arming themselves to look for animals in the surrounding areas because Exxon refuses to let people on private land. Also the no fly zone was enacted the day after someone flew over and took video of the damage. I posted that to but apparently first hand accounts aren't good enough for fark.  [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 300x168]


If you have any links I would be interested in seeing them.
 
2013-04-05 07:07:28 AM

HotWingAgenda: albatros183: HotWingAgenda: Item 1: the fact that there even was an oil spill in Arkansas.

Seriously, I have not heard a word about this until now.  I'd like to thank subby for getting this posted; I found the article informative.  Although, it failed to address the ramifications on summer gas prices.  Also, what effect this will have on relations with Canada.

Fun fact: Canada recently pulled out of an international coalition on the issue of preserving freshwater resources.  Canada has the largest freshwater reserves of any nation in the world.

You haven't been paying attention

Also Canada has no fresh water we are sending it all down to the US to FLUSH THEIR CRAPPERS

I'm sorry, you're right.  Canada is third behind Brazil (no. 1 because of the Amazon) and Russia (no. 2).  The US is a close fourth.

And I just checked CNN, and there is f*ck-all reporting about any oil spill.  The mainstream media only reports white girl kidnappings and celebrity scandals.


Maddow covered it two days ago.
 
2013-04-05 07:30:09 AM

Palin2012: I live within 8 miles of the oil spill. I have posted several articles since it began but typically fark tends to post second hand accounts. There has been a large public backlash against Exxon for not letting people rescue tar covered animals. Private land owners gave several groups permission to rescue said animals and Exxon confronted the animal rescuers. The confrontation has reached the point that people are arming themselves to look for animals in the surrounding areas because Exxon refuses to let people on private land. Also the no fly zone was enacted the day after someone flew over and took video of the damage. I posted that to but apparently first hand accounts aren't good enough for fark.  [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 300x168]


I'd also be interested in any links.
 
2013-04-05 07:55:55 AM
Would someone please prosecute, find guilty, and hang some of these Exxon Execs already?
 
2013-04-05 08:07:32 AM
That cost at the pump? Isn't going to change because this oil, like the Keystone oil, is all destined to be refined and exported. Mostly to China. Gas prices are only going to get worse.
 
2013-04-05 08:09:00 AM

vudukungfu: Would someone please prosecute, find guilty, and hang some of these Exxon Execs already?


You could start a Kickstarter campaign to fund private prosecution in a jurisdiction that'll allow it...
 
2013-04-05 08:13:18 AM
The sooner you folks get it into your heads that the people you put in office are
owned
by these massive companies
the sooner you can start helping to fix the problem instead of helping to cause it

-doesn't fit the definition of oil-
so awesome
 
2013-04-05 08:26:16 AM
All you need is money honey, and you can do whatever you like.
 
2013-04-05 08:35:35 AM
All this "information", and still not a single media outlet will report that the Keystone XL pipeline is for exporting oil out of the country.

Must just be an oversight.
 
2013-04-05 08:37:31 AM

HotWingAgenda: Seriously, I have not heard a word about this until now


You need to watch more RT News. They've made it their top story ever since it happened.

I got some perspective from a less biased source though. Pipeline spills are much less likely to happen than rail accidents and we're not going to be free of oil anytime soon.
 
2013-04-05 08:38:44 AM

Tellingthem: The thing that I find so funny is that if we stop using pipelines we will only shift transportation to trains. Which we are already doing. So yeah shut down a pipeline and you only shutdown a pipeline not the oil.Link


Relax.  The Canadian tar sands pipeline head is at 50% capacity, and is projected to remain there for some time.
 
2013-04-05 08:44:23 AM

Palin2012: I live within 8 miles of the oil spill. I have posted several articles since it began but typically fark tends to post second hand accounts. There has been a large public backlash against Exxon for not letting people rescue tar covered animals. Private land owners gave several groups permission to rescue said animals and Exxon confronted the animal rescuers. The confrontation has reached the point that people are arming themselves to look for animals in the surrounding areas because Exxon refuses to let people on private land. Also the no fly zone was enacted the day after someone flew over and took video of the damage. I posted that to but apparently first hand accounts aren't good enough for fark.  [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 300x168]


And I see the Arkansas Gazette is completely sealed by a paywall.
 
2013-04-05 08:52:05 AM

maxheck: violentsalvation:

Yeah, I don't want Canada's pipeline cruising over our bread basket so they can put their oil for sale on the open market. Neither does salon, apparently.

Build it over your own damn precious land, Canada.


Ahh, but now you see the magic of it. THEY DIDN'T WANT IT ON THEIR LAND EITHER!


Except, of course, that you're completely wrong.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/west-east-pipeline-key-to-open-new-ma rk ets-for-canadian-oil-oliver-1.1220400

"The federal government restated its support for TransCanada Corp. Tuesday, after the Calgary-based energy company said it is inviting companies to make 'firm commitments' to ship oil across the country in a proposed pipeline from Western Canada all the way to Saint John, New Brunswick."
 
2013-04-05 09:00:22 AM
If we could get them to actually use the pipes the way they are designed, we wouldn't have these problems.
The pipe was built in the 1940's to handle 30,000 less barrels a day of a different type of "oil".  The fact that this pipe worked this long being abused like this is actually impressive.  Keystone would be a good thing, IF they can keep the company from trying to overload it without maintaining it because it is "too expensive".
 
2013-04-05 09:20:18 AM

Christian Bale: an Exxon official confirmed the pipeline was "transporting a heavy form of crude from the Canadian tar sands region." Specifically, it has been identified as Wabasca Heavy, Lisa Song writes, "which is a type of diluted bitumen, or dilbit, from Alberta's tar sands region" although you won't hear any Exxon folks calling it tar sands.


I love clear, unambiguous reporting that doesn't leave you confused or saying "uh, wtf?"

Unfortunately it's getting more and more scarce.


Not sure what your point is, but the first reference (in the quote) is to an area and the second, by TFA's author, seems to refer to the common/popular name for the product of that area.

"no reason it can't be both"
 
2013-04-05 09:21:06 AM

Scuttlebutt: Keystone would be a good thing, IF they can keep the company from trying to overload it without maintaining it because it is "too expensive".


Yeah, and having a pet chimp would be awesome, IF you can keep it from ripping your face off.
 
2013-04-05 09:39:44 AM

kazikian: Also... How hard can it be to build a pipeline that doesn't leak? Or rather, one that contains its leaks? Of course the sort of countermeasures I can envision (like double-wall pipes) cost money.


Pretty eff-ing hard actually, but probably not the issue.

I haven't heard the cause of this, but i will bet the spill occurred at a pumping station or something similar. It is very rare for a pipe to just break.
 
2013-04-05 09:41:07 AM

maxheck: Nadie_AZ:

Think about it. The XL will be 10 times bigger with hotter oil going faster. So your oil spill will basically sent cannon shots of oil when it bursts.

But... But... eleventy-billion jobs and all the oil will be American! Cheap gas! Or something.



Thirty-five permanent full-time jobs, and the oil will be refined and sent to China.
 
2013-04-05 09:45:49 AM
Visual reference:

response.restoration.noaa.gov
 
2013-04-05 10:00:47 AM

kazikian: Also... How hard can it be to build a pipeline that doesn't leak? Or rather, one that contains its leaks? Of course the sort of countermeasures I can envision (like double-wall pipes) cost money.


I suppose there are better materials you can use to prevent corrosion to a greater degree, but with the bitumen stuff there is still some sediment in those pipes so you even will have abrasive wearing down of the pipes and junctions/bends in the lines, to go along with the chemical corrosion.  But to upgrade the alloy of metal or metal thickness on an 850 mile line is ridiculously expensive, even if you're a company that makes $40 bln/yr profit.

There are also technologies out there for better monitoring of the pipeline to try to predict areas that may be prone to leaking and detect a leak ASAP to allow for optimal response.  Most systems have pressure monitors throughout the line, so if you get a leak then you will see pressure dropping, but you still need a lot of these instruments to give you the resolution needed to pinpoint where exactly the leak is taking place.  I've also read that they have probes which get sent through the lines and collect data that can be used to determine pipe thickness etc.  So bottom line there are technological solutions out there to be developed that can help to prevent leaks like this or at lease minimize the enviromental and human health impacts if a leak does indeed occur.

From a risk standpoint, you can't mitigate the risk of a pipeline leaking/rupturing to absolute zero.  Given a long enough timeline, even a technologically advanced pipe might break.  Technological advancements allow us to make the risk smaller and smaller, but its always going to be non-zero.  And to some degree thats where I part ways with the liberal/environmental crusaders who go apeshiat whenever something like this happens.  They seem to have this absolute zero risk tolerance mindset, and with such a mind set the only answer is just to not build the pipeline at all, as thats the only way to have 0.0000000000 risk of anything bad happening.  Sorry guys, I get where you're coming from, but this is just not reality.  Look it sucks that we have this deeply entrenched infrastructure in place that revolves around fossil fuels, but you can't just change that over night.  Its going to have to be a gradual, well planned process, lest there be grave socioeconomic consequences.  Big oil isnt going anywhere for at least 50 years, so antagonizing the industry and driving them away might not be the best diplomatic strategy, man.
 
2013-04-05 10:12:04 AM

PunGent: Palin2012: I live within 8 miles of the oil spill. I have posted several articles since it began but typically fark tends to post second hand accounts. There has been a large public backlash against Exxon for not letting people rescue tar covered animals. Private land owners gave several groups permission to rescue said animals and Exxon confronted the animal rescuers. The confrontation has reached the point that people are arming themselves to look for animals in the surrounding areas because Exxon refuses to let people on private land. Also the no fly zone was enacted the day after someone flew over and took video of the damage. I posted that to but apparently first hand accounts aren't good enough for fark.  [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 300x168]

I'd also be interested in any links.


http://www.fark.com/comments/7682725/Nothing-to-see-here-Move-along- FA A-puts-no-fly-zone-over-Arkansas-oil-spill
 
2013-04-05 10:15:12 AM

HotWingAgenda: And I just checked CNN, and there is f*ck-all reporting about any oil spill. The mainstream media only reports white girl kidnappings and celebrity scandals.


It's been all over my FB feed, but that's because I am friends with fascist commie socialist Nazi terrorists who hate America.
 
2013-04-05 10:31:16 AM

kazikian: Albino Squid:
Except that you'll still be relying on that old, potentially-dangerous infrastructure, just with the addition of new, potentially-dangerous infrastructure. Which will then get old, and will assuredly be treated with all of the care and loving that the older infrastructure has received to date.

Old infrastructure would have to be phased out of use as new infrastructure is installed. Presumably there are laws that can be put in place enforcing this. I truly believe we will see a future where oil is phased out entirely (and nuclear in the current form, likely as well), not least of all because we'll have to do so eventually. But in the meantime, shouldn't we continue to support the infrastructure we're relying on?


It's entirely possible that laws could, in some alternate universe, be put in place to enforce the safety of the pipeline.  The probability of such laws being passed, however, is pretty close to 0.  "Jerb killin' regulashuns" and all that.  Never mind the spill, nothing to see here, move along... Not only that, but enforcement of these laws would be laughable, given the army of lawyers and lobbyists the industry could throw at the "problem".
So these impossible-to-pass laws would have no teeth and be essentially unenforceable.
 
2013-04-05 10:38:31 AM
If we're talking infrastructure, why not beef  the natural gas infrastructure so we can stop flaring the stuff off  in North Dakota.

We could run vehicles off NG and skip the filthy process of refining bitumen entirely
 
2013-04-05 10:43:55 AM

sleeps in trees: Really? I sit with my polyester clothes, my plastic everything, making my organic food that I bought with gas and was shipped by a deisel truck paid by my money made from oil.

Oh god, shut up. Find a solution for the population not vilificaction.


Nuking Ft. McMurray would be a good start. Couple of these should do the trick.

www.wired.com
 
2013-04-05 10:50:10 AM

chocolate covered poop: Look it sucks that we have this deeply entrenched infrastructure in place that revolves around fossil fuels, but you can't just change that over night.


I'm getting a kick out of most of the technical misinformation replies but I can't be arsed... it doesnt really matter, chocolate covered poop's sentence above is really the root of the situation.  Shiat will happen when oil gets transported.

Oil pipelines are like air travel, the safest form of travel there is statistically.  But when things go wrong it's a "disaster".  How many billions of barrels get transported daily/monthy/yearly, and then we throw a hissy fit when we lose 84,000 gallons?  In a relatively easy to contain land area?  Technologically speaking land and even water cleanups are easy, it's just time and money.

Lots of oil transportation companies are now looking at rail for transportation needs because pipelines get such a bad rap permitting / red tape wise.  I have no specific citation for that but it's out there and already being done, has been forever just need more trains.  KXL could be served by 12 trains a day which isnt really that many when you think about it.  It's the loading / offloading facilities that doesnt make it as economically attractive as a pipeline otherwise everyone would do it this way, but that may be changing.  There's nothing a rail company needs to apply for to run more trains on their own line other than add a siding here or there to acommodate more traffic.  Would you rather your oil being driven through high population centers at 90km/r or around bends in pristine environments at similar speeds?  A derailment and losing just 3 normal oil cars is about the same volume we're talking about here.  And those happen way more often than a pipeline leak. Pipelines are the lesser of the two evils for sure.

These situations won't stop till oil stops getting transported.  Efforts should be focussing on removing dependance on hydrocarbons rather than battling specifics like pipelines or oil transportation in general.  People lose their shiat with a spill but forget that most of anything that spills would have ended up in the atmosphere anyway.
 
2013-04-05 10:57:23 AM
But the industry can regulate themselves!

What, they dont have any regulations? just engineering specs?

Well surely they would never let economic factors outweigh their best practices, like changing from thinner to thicker grades, or increasing pressure or reversing flow?

What, they really are that greedy?

But the industry can regulate themselves!

Here is the thing. Keystone will bring in about 80,000 jobs for about 3 years, and give a much needed boost to the economy. BUT, it will be up to the US Government to provide Security and Protect the Environment in perpetuity after that. We would be privatizing the profits and socializing the risks.

I will explain it so that ever a Republican can understand.

In the short run makes $BiG BuCKS$,  in the long run costs $$$ BIG BUCKS $$$.
 
2013-04-05 11:00:03 AM

albatros183: Christian Bale: an Exxon official confirmed the pipeline was "transporting a heavy form of crude from the Canadian tar sands region." Specifically, it has been identified as Wabasca Heavy, Lisa Song writes, "which is a type of diluted bitumen, or dilbit, from Alberta's tar sands region" although you won't hear any Exxon folks calling it tar sands.


I love clear, unambiguous reporting that doesn't leave you confused or saying "uh, wtf?"

Unfortunately it's getting more and more scarce.

True though the new speak is oil sands


That would be because the term tar sands is completely inaccurate and much beloved by enviro douches because it sounds bad. Honestly, where do these idiots think oil comes from? The Albertan oil sands is the worlds largest oil spill clean up. We are taking oil and sand  from the ground, removing the oil, and putting the clean sand back. All the hippies' fear mongering is mostly lies and mistruths.

/Albertan pressure welder and proud if it, like the stuff that makes your car go? I help bring it to you.
 
2013-04-05 11:06:43 AM

violentsalvation: Yeah, I don't want Canada's pipeline cruising over our bread basket so they can put their oil for sale on the open market. Neither does salon, apparently.

Build it over your own damn precious land, Canada.


I am in complete agreement. You Americans have been farking  us over on oil prices for decades. I wish we could shut off the taps at the border, build all our own refineries and then pipe the finished product to the west coast for Asian markets. Fark you, you ingrate Americans, keep buying your oil from the sauds with their wonderful human rights track record.
 
2013-04-05 11:12:22 AM

Marcus Aurelius: All this "information", and still not a single media outlet will report that the Keystone XL pipeline is for exporting oil out of the country.

Must just be an oversight.


What I don't understand: is there some explicit contract that states that the oil moved via keystone cannot be bought in the US?  The pipeline is taking the oil to the US's refning hub, is there some limitation that says that the owners there can't make a bid to buy some of the oil flowing in their backyward?  Or is the assumption just that China will be the highest bidder by default?  I mean, yes, some of it will inevitably get exported, but does that mean that it ALL has to get sold to non-US entities?
 
2013-04-05 11:36:12 AM

FoxholeAtheist: Ahh, but now you see the magic of it. THEY DIDN'T WANT IT ON THEIR LAND EITHER!

Except, of course, that you're completely wrong.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/west-east-pipeline-key-to-open-new-ma rk ets-for-canadian-oil-oliver-1.1220400


Another thing which some people are missing is that despite all of the socialism up here, it isn't "Canada" building these pipelines. It's corporations, and there are multiple competing interests. One company wants to build Keystone XL. Another, Enbridge, wants a new pipeline to the northern coast of BC. Yet another, Kinder Morgan, already has a pipeline to the south coast (Burnaby/Vancouver, extending down to Washington state) which they plan to expand.
 
2013-04-05 11:58:00 AM
A few things arkansas rednecks need to know.
1) The oil cant be scooped up and put into you truck/car/mower
2) Birds/Fish in oil cant just be fried up and eaten
 
2013-04-05 12:00:46 PM

Marcus Aurelius: All this "information", and still not a single media outlet will report that the Keystone XL pipeline is for exporting oil out of the country.

Must just be an oversight.


And I'm curious - where are you getting your "information" that KXL is designed to export oil out of the U.S.?
 
2013-04-05 12:06:00 PM

Heraclitus: But the industry can regulate themselves!

What, they dont have any regulations? just engineering specs?


You're kidding, right?
 
2013-04-05 12:26:57 PM

cashdaddy: Marcus Aurelius: All this "information", and still not a single media outlet will report that the Keystone XL pipeline is for exporting oil out of the country.

Must just be an oversight.

And I'm curious - where are you getting your "information" that KXL is designed to export oil out of the U.S.?


Because it terminates in Port Arthur, LA.  Why would you run your pipeline to the ocean if it wasn't designed to export oil?

Today's Canadian tar sands are refined and consumed in the US, which makes them subject to Federal taxes.  By exporting the oil, the oil companies avoid the taxes.

It really is that simple.
 
2013-04-05 12:38:25 PM

cashdaddy: Heraclitus: But the industry can regulate themselves!

What, they dont have any regulations? just engineering specs?

You're kidding, right?


So was changing from thinner to thicker grades, or increasing pressure or reversing flow prevented by ANY of these Regulations?
 
2013-04-05 12:41:16 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Because it terminates in Port Arthur, LA.  Why would you run your pipeline to the ocean if it wasn't designed to export oil?

Today's Canadian tar sands are refined and consumed in the US, which makes them subject to Federal taxes.  By exporting the oil, the oil companies avoid the taxes.

It really is that simple.


Port Arthur is in Texas, not Louisiana (it's close, though).

And while there could be some oil exported from Alberta that travels down Keystone (or other pipelines), there are a ridiculous number of refineries in the gulf coast that those pipelines would supply in Houston/Nederland that would likely buy the oil off that line.

Shippers are moving their product down line to the highest bidder in the market; saying that they're sending this oil down to the gulf for export to avoid taxes makes no sense....
 
2013-04-05 12:47:23 PM

Heraclitus: So was changing from thinner to thicker grades, or increasing pressure or reversing flow prevented by ANY of these Regulations?


Are you (or anyone else) saying that these are problems or issues that need regulating?
 
2013-04-05 12:50:06 PM
#7 Thing You Should Know

Timing. How convenient during Keystone dustup.
 
2013-04-05 01:08:33 PM

cashdaddy: Heraclitus: So was changing from thinner to thicker grades, or increasing pressure or reversing flow prevented by ANY of these Regulations?

Are you (or anyone else) saying that these are problems or issues that need regulating?


FTFA:
2. Not Your Average Pipeline
The Pegasus pipeline running more than 850 miles between Patoka, Illinois and Nederland, Texas, is 20 inches in diameter and was built in the 1940s to carry crude from Texas to Illinois. But in 2006 the flow was reversed in order to carry Canadian tar sands to Texas. As Ben Jervey
The pipeline was built to carry 65,000 barrels a day, but Exxon was allowed to expand that to 95,000 barrels a day just a few years ago.
All of these facts bring up some basic questions. What effect does a higher capacity have on the pipeline? What effect does reversing the flow have on the pipeline? And what effect does switching from conventional crude to dilbit have on the pipeline, considering it was built to have a much thinner crude flowing through it?

Please read the article that everyone else is commenting on.
 
2013-04-05 01:22:17 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: violentsalvation: Yeah, I don't want Canada's pipeline cruising over our bread basket so they can put their oil for sale on the open market. Neither does salon, apparently.

Build it over your own damn precious land, Canada.

I am in complete agreement. You Americans have been farking  us over on oil prices for decades. I wish we could shut off the taps at the border, build all our own refineries and then pipe the finished product to the west coast for Asian markets. Fark you, you ingrate Americans, keep buying your oil from the sauds with their wonderful human rights track record.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-05 01:22:18 PM

Heraclitus: Please read the article that everyone else is commenting on.


Thanks, I already read the article....

He's asking questions about the effects of reversing flow and switching grades....fine, ask away. But I go back to my original question - are these actual problems or issues that need regulating?
 
2013-04-05 02:26:04 PM

cashdaddy: are these actual problems or issues that need regulating?


Are you seriously asking if switching an old pipeline to carry much more corrosive materials at much higher pressures could somehow lead to blowouts?

I think we already have the answer to that.
 
2013-04-05 02:29:50 PM

Fart_Machine: Bucky Katt: but we were told that pipelines are perfectly safe

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]


The thing about that meme is that he was right, most of the time. There were no WMD's.
 
2013-04-05 02:31:00 PM

Palin2012: I live within 8 miles of the oil spill. I have posted several articles since it began but typically fark tends to post second hand accounts. There has been a large public backlash against Exxon for not letting people rescue tar covered animals. Private land owners gave several groups permission to rescue said animals and Exxon confronted the animal rescuers. The confrontation has reached the point that people are arming themselves to look for animals in the surrounding areas because Exxon refuses to let people on private land. Also the no fly zone was enacted the day after someone flew over and took video of the damage. I posted that to but apparently first hand accounts aren't good enough for fark.  [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 300x168]


What do you think this is? reddit?
 
2013-04-05 03:21:16 PM
Since Exxon is probably the most awful corporation in the world I would like to propose we take this opportunity to line all their corporate executives up in front of a wall and shoot them until they are dead and then shoot them again to be sure. And, probably an even worse punishment for them, take away all their tax breaks.
 
2013-04-05 03:41:57 PM

skantea: Christian Bale: an Exxon official confirmed the pipeline was "transporting a heavy form of crude from the Canadian tar sands region." Specifically, it has been identified as Wabasca Heavy, Lisa Song writes, "which is a type of diluted bitumen, or dilbit, from Alberta's tar sands region" although you won't hear any Exxon folks calling it tar sands.


I love clear, unambiguous reporting that doesn't leave you confused or saying "uh, wtf?"

Unfortunately it's getting more and more scarce.

Journalist don't know anything about history, science, geology, etc.  So they can't instruct us.  What's worse is they don't have much motivation to learn seeing as how the public doesn't want to hear it.

/ooh a kardashian nip slip...


img.dailymail.co.uk

Please to not make comments disparaging to Japanese peoples.
 
2013-04-05 03:42:53 PM
Did anyone find the server down at Salon besides me?
 
2013-04-05 04:08:39 PM

BullBearMS: Are you seriously asking if switching an old pipeline to carry much more corrosive materials at much higher pressures could somehow lead to blowouts?

I think we already have the answer to that.


Are you saying that that's what caused this incident? Or are you just guessing, too?\

(And 'much higher pressures' ? Where are you getting that?)
 
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