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2013-04-04 09:31:22 PM
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hardinparamedic: awalkingecho: Medicine is not a science, it is a business. They do not create cures, they create customers. Healthy people are not profitable. The goal is to juggle the balance between keeping you just sick enough to need treatment without killing you for as long as possible to keep the coffers full.

You're an idiot, and you should feel bad for posting such nonsense which demonstrates not only a fundamental misunderstanding and ignorance of how complex a biological system that is a human being is, but how complex and multifactoral diseases are.

Antibiotics are a cure to a problem which was the number one killer of all ages prior to their widespread use. Many "blood" cancers, such as leukemia, are curable now to the 98th Perecentile - especially in pediatrics. We can "cure" strokes and we can "cure" heart attacks if they're treated early enough.

There is no way to "cure" genetics. You cannot "cure" a cancer when someone waits until it has metastasized to their organs from the initial site. You cannot "cure" a traumatic injury that requires someone's leg to be amputated. You can't cure a spinal transection.

The idea that "cures" aren't profitable is silly. Even if a cure is found for ALL cancers, there will be a need for multiple doses, in the same person more than likely. Everyone, if they live long enough, will get cancer. A cure for HIV would be worth trillions of dollars worldwide, and would give the inventor of it everlasting fame and fortune.


He's cynical, yes, but hardly an idiot. American medicine hardly has the best interests of the patients in mind.
2013-04-04 08:20:24 PM
2 votes:

Apos: [thehubnow.com image 850x850]


birdemic - jesus - I saw it in the theater.


/luckily it was a rifftrax
//saw it's listed on netflex - cannot imagine watching that POS without the rifftrax
2013-04-04 08:11:33 PM
2 votes:
I don't get it, what's so scary about the flu?
2013-04-05 06:49:55 AM
1 votes:

3rotor: has any one ever seen a high ranking member of any of the pharma's that produce these inoculations, people that actually know what's in those injections,  being inoculated with their own stuff...

I'm having an issue with that, and I don't exactly know why...


Have you ever seen the engineer that designed your car drive it?
He probably has. And given the extensive testing that goes into making a normal vaccine I'm guessing that the dudes that make them also use them without a worry in the world.
2013-04-04 09:42:08 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Go rail on about Lipitor, Psychiatric Drugs, and COX Inhibitors if you want to biatch about Pharma's profit schemes and bad behavior. It ain't in vaccination.


I, at no point, decried vaccination whatsoever. I apologize for taking my soapbox into a vaccination thread, as it gives that illusion. It was not my intention, and I apologize. The above sort of drugs are more of the types of things I have a problem with. And myriad other 'Fix this with this. Side effects include this, so take this to fix that.'

And I am aware Salk's vaccine is no longer used. My point was the ethical move that he made.

And take the chip off your shoulder. I realize you're an EMT and so you're probably quick to anger when someone crosses swords with your profession, but it was not a personal slight.
2013-04-04 09:38:47 PM
1 votes:

awalkingecho: I'm not an idiot. And I'm not saying that there are no valid things that have been produced that make our overall health and wellness better (i.e antibiotics, and vaccines that have eradicated or ameliorated many of the more dastardly diseases for human kind.)


Then stop acting like one and trying to promote irrational beliefs that everyone in medicine is just interested in profit, and that it would be easy to suppress the cure for ANYTHING that is either A) Remotely financhially beneficial to a business entity or B) Would alleviate a massive financhial burdon on a national government in a First World country

It would be impossible to "Suppress a cure" for something like Solid Cancers, or HIV, or COPD, or Congestive Heart Failure. The United States would have the First Infantry Division marching through your labs with tanks and shocky sticks to beat the secrets out of you if that were the case. The resulting lawsuits would still be far less expensive than a single year of treating it's population for these diseases would be.

And that's even ignoring the human factor.

awalkingecho: Ooooh millions of dollars worldwide! Or you could, you know, not patent it like the noble Salk in the interest of making no money so that people could afford it.


You're off by a couple of zeores if you're talking about a meaningful cure for a solid cancer, or for a pandemic infection like HIV. Try starting in the trillions and working your way up.

Governments would pay ANY price to cure their populations of HIV, for starters to use as an example, because of how much of a drain these people are on their coffers.

 

awalkingecho: Or you could, you know, not patent it like the noble Salk in the interest of making no money so that people could afford it.


Except for the fact that vaccines are offered free to the public through your local health department and vaccination clinics based on your income, are heavily subsidzed for those that make too much to quality for the free vaccinations, and outside of First World Countries, are offered free of charge through various Governmental and Non-Governmental groups, like the WHO.

Also, the Salk vaccine is GREAT in First World countries like the US and France, where they have ready access to reliable refridgeration. There's a reason the Sabin vaccine was chosen for everyone else, and it's not because it was patented. The original Salk vaccine is also no longer used, because there are vastly more effective vaccines on market.

Go rail on about Lipitor, Psychiatric Drugs, and COX Inhibitors if you want to biatch about Pharma's profit schemes and bad behavior. It ain't in vaccination.
2013-04-04 09:29:49 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: awalkingecho: Medicine is not a science, it is a business. They do not create cures, they create customers. Healthy people are not profitable. The goal is to juggle the balance between keeping you just sick enough to need treatment without killing you for as long as possible to keep the coffers full.

You're an idiot, and you should feel bad for posting such nonsense which demonstrates not only a fundamental misunderstanding and ignorance of how complex a biological system that is a human being is, but how complex and multifactoral diseases are.

Antibiotics are a cure to a problem which was the number one killer of all ages prior to their widespread use. Many "blood" cancers, such as leukemia, are curable now to the 98th Perecentile - especially in pediatrics. We can "cure" strokes and we can "cure" heart attacks if they're treated early enough.

There is no way to "cure" genetics. You cannot "cure" a cancer when someone waits until it has metastasized to their organs from the initial site. You cannot "cure" a traumatic injury that requires someone's leg to be amputated. You can't cure a spinal transection.

The idea that "cures" aren't profitable is silly. Even if a cure is found for ALL cancers, there will be a need for multiple doses, in the same person more than likely. Everyone, if they live long enough, will get cancer. A cure for HIV would be worth trillions of dollars worldwide, and would give the inventor of it everlasting fame and fortune.


I'm not an idiot. And I'm not saying that there are no valid things that have been produced that make our overall health and wellness better (i.e antibiotics, and vaccines that have eradicated or ameliorated many of the more dastardly diseases for human kind.)

Ooooh millions of dollars worldwide! Or you could, you know, not patent it like the noble Salk in the interest of making no money so that people could afford it.
2013-04-04 09:22:03 PM
1 votes:
Medicine is not a science, it is a business. They do not create cures, they create customers. Healthy people are not profitable. The goal is to juggle the balance between keeping you just sick enough to need treatment without killing you for as long as possible to keep the coffers full.
2013-04-04 08:56:34 PM
1 votes:

Cytokine Storm: I don't get it, what's so scary about the flu?


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I guess if you have to explain the joke...

You, Sir, have my eternal admiration. I have never in my history on FARK seen something so elegant and simple.
2013-04-04 08:36:56 PM
1 votes:

Cytokine Storm: revrendjim: Cytokine Storm: I don't get it, what's so scary about the flu?

You mean other than killing thousands of people every year?

Ya but that's if you're old.  I'm young and healthy, what's there to worry about?


Depends on the strain.  Spanish flu in 1918 tended to kill the 20-40 year olds at much higher rates than the traditional risk groups of the very young and old.
2013-04-04 08:29:32 PM
1 votes:
WAAAAK! Hallelujah!

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2013-04-04 08:26:44 PM
1 votes:
Most people didn't realize that you can't make a vaccine for a virus strain which hasn't happened yet the first time, so why the hell not.
2013-04-04 08:19:00 PM
1 votes:
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Where is Jessica Hyde?

/first thing that immediately came to mind.
2013-04-04 08:18:24 PM
1 votes:

Dragonflew: Gyrfalcon: Would anyone prefer they didn't prepare bird flu vaccine?


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Dr. McCarthy.


*spittake*  Please tell me that's a fake magazine.

Holy crap, it's real?
2013-04-04 08:18:19 PM
1 votes:
I didn't get the shot last year and last year was the first time in years that I didn't get the flu.

I think we can deduce what the flu vaccine is *really* meant to do. It's a scam to keep people paying for flu treatments.

Playing with people's health is heinous. And the damage that the vaccines can cause in young children is unforgivable.
2013-04-04 08:15:34 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Would anyone prefer they didn't prepare bird flu vaccine?



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Dr. McCarthy.
2013-04-04 08:13:51 PM
1 votes:
Just remember, it takes months once they figure out a vaccine to get it actually produced. You have to have started work early in case it does develop into something severe. Of course if it can't jump between humans, any vaccine they develop may not work if it mutates into being contagious
2013-04-04 08:12:45 PM
1 votes:
As a healthcare worker I say, "COME AT ME, BRO!"
2013-04-04 08:12:36 PM
1 votes:
M-O-O-N, that spells vaccine. Laws yes, everybody know that.
2013-04-04 08:09:59 PM
1 votes:
Would anyone prefer they didn't prepare bird flu vaccine?
 
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