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(USA Today)   Georgia: Hey Tennessee, mind if we move our border a bit and take your river water? Tennessee: You can have our whiskey, but you ain't getting any of that water   (usatoday.com) divider line 135
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2013-04-04 05:49:53 PM  
State's rights, the South will rise again!!!!

\Wait..what?
 
2013-04-04 05:51:01 PM  
Georgia can fark off.  Try being responsible for a change.  You don't get to steal the river.
 
2013-04-04 05:51:19 PM  
Old news is old.  Hasn't this been going on since the late 1800s?  Georgia just gets all needy for water whenever there's a drought, i.e. Summer

/GA resident
 
2013-04-04 05:51:29 PM  
Even if they receive access, they will be paying out the ass to Tennessee.
 
2013-04-04 05:51:46 PM  
My prediction is there ends up being an agreement where GA gets water but not the state line redrawn, redrawing the line that is like 100 metres off doesnt just effect the bfe where the river is, it would also give like 100 metres of Chattanooga to GA which the TN legislature aint gonna do unless the US congress mandates it.
 
2013-04-04 05:53:24 PM  

Oldiron_79: My prediction is there ends up being an agreement where GA gets water but not the state line redrawn, redrawing the line that is like 100 metres off doesnt just effect the bfe where the river is, it would also give like 100 metres of Chattanooga to GA which the TN legislature aint gonna do unless the US congress mandates it.


Georgia legislature agreed to the state line decades ago.  They have no grounds for any kind of appeal to change it.
 
2013-04-04 05:53:36 PM  
BTW, How do surveyor's "get it wrong"? Unless the boundary is described legally exact prior to the survey, isn't the boundary placed by there by the surveyor's become the legal boundary?
 
2013-04-04 05:55:09 PM  
The Georgian ultra-nationalists will force us to deploy a small 4 man team of highly skilled soldiers that the government will disavow and eventually force them to fight the Russians with the blue hats.
 
2013-04-04 05:55:15 PM  
Sorry guys, but the statute of limitations on biatching about the property line expired a hundred plus years ago.
 
2013-04-04 05:55:39 PM  
"That could give it access to river water, which is controlled by the Tennessee Valley Authority."

ginmillerfitness.com
 
2013-04-04 05:56:00 PM  

Shotgun Justice: BTW, How do surveyor's "get it wrong"? Unless the boundary is described legally exact prior to the survey, isn't the boundary placed by there by the surveyor's become the legal boundary?


The original authorized guidelines for the state's border back in the 17th century would have let it touch the Tennessee.  Surveyors got it wrong and Georgia agreed to the wrong border I don't even know how long ago, probably when the original survey was done in the 18th century.  Now that Atlanta is starved for water they suddenly want to change the border.  It's a crock of shiat and they aren't getting it.
 
2013-04-04 05:56:34 PM  

BizarreMan: Sorry guys, but the statute statue of limitations on biatching about the property line expired a hundred plus years ago.


Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2013-04-04 05:56:40 PM  

Shotgun Justice: BTW, How do surveyor's "get it wrong"? Unless the boundary is described legally exact prior to the survey, isn't the boundary placed by there by the surveyor's become the legal boundary?


The boundary is described legally as a latitudinal line (that's why the GA/TN border is a straight line). The surveyors didn't determine the location of that line correctly.
 
2013-04-04 05:58:48 PM  
If anyone tried this out West, the National Guard would be involved.
 
2013-04-04 05:59:58 PM  
are they fighting over that damn rock again?
 
2013-04-04 06:00:18 PM  

Shotgun Justice: BTW, How do surveyor's "get it wrong"? Unless the boundary is described legally exact prior to the survey, isn't the boundary placed by there by the surveyor's become the legal boundary?


Well the line was legally defined at 35th parallell before the survey was conducted.

The thing is the survey marker used the markers from a previous british survey for NC/GA line that was like 100 metres off and then extended that line west.

So because some British colonial surveyer in like the 1600s farked up the NC/GA line the TN/GA, TN/AL, and TN/MS lines are all off.
 
2013-04-04 06:01:31 PM  
Well if GA gets part of TN then can Canada take Michigan, New England and Upstate New York?

I'm sure that would be a huge improvement for those areas.
 
2013-04-04 06:02:58 PM  

GAT_00: Shotgun Justice: BTW, How do surveyor's "get it wrong"? Unless the boundary is described legally exact prior to the survey, isn't the boundary placed by there by the surveyor's become the legal boundary?

The original authorized guidelines for the state's border back in the 17th century would have let it touch the Tennessee.  Surveyors got it wrong and Georgia agreed to the wrong border I don't even know how long ago, probably when the original survey was done in the 18th century.  Now that Atlanta is starved for water they suddenly want to change the border.  It's a crock of shiat and they aren't getting it.


Don't live close to any of those states but this is my reaction too. You had 200 years to press your case in court. You did not. I call that estoppel.
 
2013-04-04 06:04:00 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: The Georgian ultra-nationalists will force us to deploy a small 4 man team of highly skilled soldiers that the government will disavow and eventually force them to fight the Russians with the blue hats.


Wolverines!?

media.theweek.com
 
2013-04-04 06:04:39 PM  

LockeOak: Shotgun Justice: BTW, How do surveyor's "get it wrong"? Unless the boundary is described legally exact prior to the survey, isn't the boundary placed by there by the surveyor's become the legal boundary?

The boundary is described legally as a latitudinal line (that's why the GA/TN border is a straight line). The surveyors didn't determine the location of that line correctly.


And if both parties behave in such a way that the boundary line as marked is suitable then it becomes the legal boundary line. Putting that another way, if you suddenly realize that your neighbor placed his fence ten feet too far onto your property and it stays that way for, say, 10 years, then yes your neighbor has a legal right to that property.
 
2013-04-04 06:04:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01: BizarreMan: Sorry guys, but the statute statue of limitations on biatching about the property line expired a hundred plus years ago.

Sorry, pet peeve.


Ask Dictionary.com and pet your peeve somewhere else.
 
2013-04-04 06:06:19 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: are they fighting over that damn rock again?


That would be Ohio and Kentucky....
 
2013-04-04 06:06:20 PM  
This is nothing new. The citizens of Georgia are a bunch of water stealing bastards. Look at what they've done to the Appalachicola River and the oyster population in the Apalachicola Bay.
 
2013-04-04 06:06:42 PM  

BizarreMan: Mrtraveler01: BizarreMan: Sorry guys, but the statute statue of limitations on biatching about the property line expired a hundred plus years ago.

Sorry, pet peeve.

Ask Dictionary.com and pet your peeve somewhere else.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq8gfaFqFpI
 
2013-04-04 06:07:47 PM  

Chagrin: LockeOak: Shotgun Justice: BTW, How do surveyor's "get it wrong"? Unless the boundary is described legally exact prior to the survey, isn't the boundary placed by there by the surveyor's become the legal boundary?

The boundary is described legally as a latitudinal line (that's why the GA/TN border is a straight line). The surveyors didn't determine the location of that line correctly.

And if both parties behave in such a way that the boundary line as marked is suitable then it becomes the legal boundary line. Putting that another way, if you suddenly realize that your neighbor placed his fence ten feet too far onto your property and it stays that way for, say, 10 years, then yes your neighbor has a legal right to that property.


Yup, that is pretty much the case law on survey snafus.
 
2013-04-04 06:08:07 PM  
Okay, follow up question: Did GA officials agree with the 38th parallel border or the location of the survey? Because if they merely agreed with the 38th parallel then it was subsequently marked wrong, I doubt their legislators were trained surveyors in a position to contradict the marking. However, if the survey was done and it was acknowledged as being in error and the GA gov't said "fark it, its close enough"; that is a different situation.

I guess it boils down to: When was this error discovered?
 
2013-04-04 06:08:14 PM  
How else are they going to wash all those Truck-Nutz®?
 
2013-04-04 06:08:37 PM  
Oh noes, we didn't really mean to agree to what we agreed to before because we didn't know that now we want to take your stuffs.
 
2013-04-04 06:09:08 PM  

BizarreMan: Mrtraveler01: BizarreMan: Sorry guys, but the statute statue of limitations on biatching about the property line expired a hundred plus years ago.

Sorry, pet peeve.

Ask Dictionary.com and pet your peeve somewhere else.


Oh geez....
 
2013-04-04 06:09:26 PM  

Mrtraveler01: BizarreMan: Sorry guys, but the statute statue of limitations on biatching about the property line expired a hundred plus years ago.

Sorry, pet peeve.


Old meme is old.
 
2013-04-04 06:09:31 PM  
I'm not sure which state I would rather be a part of.

Georgia seems to be the less embarrassing one as of late. But I guess we'll see how long that lasts.
 
2013-04-04 06:09:41 PM  
Nickajack?

*RTFA*

Yup, just Georgia with it's semi-annual tantrum to try to get the water for Atlanta again.  I don't blame the Marion county folks for being wary of Georgia draining the river.  TN really depends on our rivers and TVA, and we're rather protective of it.

Georgia can fark off.
 
2013-04-04 06:09:51 PM  

worlddan: GAT_00: Shotgun Justice: BTW, How do surveyor's "get it wrong"? Unless the boundary is described legally exact prior to the survey, isn't the boundary placed by there by the surveyor's become the legal boundary?

The original authorized guidelines for the state's border back in the 17th century would have let it touch the Tennessee.  Surveyors got it wrong and Georgia agreed to the wrong border I don't even know how long ago, probably when the original survey was done in the 18th century.  Now that Atlanta is starved for water they suddenly want to change the border.  It's a crock of shiat and they aren't getting it.

Don't live close to any of those states but this is my reaction too. You had 200 years to press your case in court. You did not. I call that estoppel.


The mustached libertarian guy?
 
2013-04-04 06:10:06 PM  

ukexpat: Mrtraveler01: BizarreMan: Sorry guys, but the statute statue of limitations on biatching about the property line expired a hundred plus years ago.

Sorry, pet peeve.

Old meme is old.


I'm a sucker for the classics.
 
2013-04-04 06:10:18 PM  

GAT_00: Oldiron_79: My prediction is there ends up being an agreement where GA gets water but not the state line redrawn, redrawing the line that is like 100 metres off doesnt just effect the bfe where the river is, it would also give like 100 metres of Chattanooga to GA which the TN legislature aint gonna do unless the US congress mandates it.

Georgia legislature agreed to the state line decades ago.  They have no grounds for any kind of appeal to change it.


No they didn't.
 
2013-04-04 06:11:25 PM  

Shotgun Justice: Okay, follow up question: Did GA officials agree with the 38th parallel border or the location of the survey? Because if they merely agreed with the 38th parallel then it was subsequently marked wrong, I doubt their legislators were trained surveyors in a position to contradict the marking. However, if the survey was done and it was acknowledged as being in error and the GA gov't said "fark it, its close enough"; that is a different situation.

I guess it boils down to: When was this error discovered?


38th parallel is best Korea/worst Korea border. TN/GA is 35th parallel
 
2013-04-04 06:11:35 PM  

Shotgun Justice: BTW, How do surveyor's "get it wrong"? Unless the boundary is described legally exact prior to the survey, isn't the boundary placed by there by the surveyor's become the legal boundary?


It was based on a parallel.  I don't think that those change.  The story goes that the surveyors liked whiskey a little too much.  When the states were drawn up though the northern border of Georgia was placed on a parallel.  Right now, it's about 100 yards south of that parallel because of the drunk surveyors.
 
2013-04-04 06:12:42 PM  
Dear Yankeemitter - AFAIK the proper headline would read " ain't gettin' none of this here water.
 
2013-04-04 06:14:50 PM  
Hillbilly problems.
 
2013-04-04 06:14:51 PM  

Theeng: Nickajack?

*RTFA*

Yup, just Georgia with it's semi-annual tantrum to try to get the water for Atlanta again.  I don't blame the Marion county folks for being wary of Georgia draining the river.  TN really depends on our rivers and TVA, and we're rather protective of it.

Georgia can fark off.


Know where a hell of a lot of the water that flows into the Tennessee river comes from?  Yup, Georgia.
 
2013-04-04 06:14:55 PM  

Chagrin: And if both parties behave in such a way that the boundary line as marked is suitable then it becomes the legal boundary line. Putting that another way, if you suddenly realize that your neighbor placed his fence ten feet too far onto your property and it stays that way for, say, 10 years, then yes your neighbor has a legal right to that property.


The mechanisms of squatters rights that you are talking about exist in the realm of state laws, which dont apply here.  State borders do not follow the kind of property law you are thinking of.  If the paperwork says the border is the 35th parallel, then thats what it is.
 
2013-04-04 06:15:36 PM  
fark you georgia.. You don't get mah waters.
 
2013-04-04 06:15:57 PM  

Elegy: This is nothing new. The citizens of Georgia are a bunch of water stealing bastards. Look at what they've done to the Appalachicola River and the oyster population in the Apalachicola Bay.


During the last big drought in 2009, our intrepid governor, Sonny Perdue, had a press conference where he had children around him holding signs that said "I'm more important than a mussel."   I'm reminded of that whenever I hear about evil Obama and his children press conference.  It's an old strategy.

Anyway, Sonny fell back on that old standby that it's the evil Feds that are making us release "our" water downstream because they want to save some damn hippie river mussel.  This always works in the South.  Sonny can blame the Feds for the fact that Sonny scuttled reservoir plans upon his election because they were in prime housing development land.

That's what Sonny did.*

*re-election campaign slogan

Now, Georgia has started to get serious about conservation starting with the damn hippie city counties and their lowflow toilets.  Damn you Federal libs and your lowflow toilets!  It's tyranny!  Did we lose a war!?
 
2013-04-04 06:16:56 PM  

Alonjar: Chagrin: And if both parties behave in such a way that the boundary line as marked is suitable then it becomes the legal boundary line. Putting that another way, if you suddenly realize that your neighbor placed his fence ten feet too far onto your property and it stays that way for, say, 10 years, then yes your neighbor has a legal right to that property.

The mechanisms of squatters rights that you are talking about exist in the realm of state laws, which dont apply here.  State borders do not follow the kind of property law you are thinking of.  If the paperwork says the border is the 35th parallel, then thats what it is.


THIS

Georgia has brought the issue up numerous times to the Tennessee legislature and the guys in Tennessee always just stick their fingers in their ears and say "we can't hear you."  That's been going on for 200 years.  The Supreme Court is going to have to straighten it out once and for all.  It seems pretty clear cut to me.  The Federal Government said the line is the 35th parallel.  The fact that they survey farkd up doesn't change that.
 
2013-04-04 06:18:00 PM  

BizarreMan: Mrtraveler01: BizarreMan: Sorry guys, but the statute statue of limitations on biatching about the property line expired a hundred plus years ago.

Sorry, pet peeve.

Ask Dictionary.com Thesaurus.org and pet your peeve somewhere else.


Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2013-04-04 06:19:00 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Now, Georgia has started to get serious about conservation starting with the damn hippie city counties and their lowflow toilets. Damn you Federal libs and your lowflow toilets! It's tyranny! Did we lose a war!?


Approves:

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-04-04 06:19:16 PM  

Silly Jesus: Know where a hell of a lot of the water that flows into the Tennessee river comes from?  Yup, Georgia.


Yes the water in the Alabama part of the Tennessee river comes from Georgia.  Not sure when the French Broad and Holston sprang forth from Atlanta
 
2013-04-04 06:19:27 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Elegy: This is nothing new. The citizens of Georgia are a bunch of water stealing bastards. Look at what they've done to the Appalachicola River and the oyster population in the Apalachicola Bay.

During the last big drought in 2009, our intrepid governor, Sonny Perdue, had a press conference where he had children around him holding signs that said "I'm more important than a mussel."   I'm reminded of that whenever I hear about evil Obama and his children press conference.  It's an old strategy.

Anyway, Sonny fell back on that old standby that it's the evil Feds that are making us release "our" water downstream because they want to save some damn hippie river mussel.  This always works in the South.  Sonny can blame the Feds for the fact that Sonny scuttled reservoir plans upon his election because they were in prime housing development land.

That's what Sonny did.*

*re-election campaign slogan

Now, Georgia has started to get serious about conservation starting with the damn hippie city counties and their lowflow toilets.  Damn you Federal libs and your lowflow toilets!  It's tyranny!  Did we lose a war!?


Maybe if Georgians were better christians they would be blessed with plenty of water.
 
2013-04-04 06:19:32 PM  
How about a good old-fashioned border skirmish?
 
2013-04-04 06:19:36 PM  
As a born and raised Chattanoogan I would just like to say: fark Georgia and fark Atlanta
 
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