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(LA Times)   Majority of Americans: "Legalize it"   (latimes.com) divider line 63
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2013-04-04 08:05:47 PM  
8 votes:
Weed and Hookers should be legal.

End of story.
2013-04-05 12:13:15 AM  
6 votes:
I don't smoke the stuff, and I want it legalized. Simply to end the ridiculousness of wasting taxpayer dollars interdicting, prosecuting, and tying up our legal system with the cases. Legalize it, tax it, and then, more importantly, we can get onto using hemp and hemp related products in OTHER industrial applications. In clothing. In paper. In feed. Using the oils from the seeds. Using the damn stuff for what we were just getting to, when the paper industry and the cotton industry got fearful of competition.

That's the real reason it's illegal. Not the "narcotic" effect, not the addictiveness. It was argued at first that the stuff turned folks into kill crazy psychopaths. Then it was argued, by some of the same folks, years later, that it made people to pacific to fight our wars. The reasoning has always been economic. Fear of competition, and now, we have a prison industry that profits on folks continuing to be jailed for the stuff. It is time to end this nonsense. We cannot afford it. Plain and simple. Turn efforts to things like meth. Turn efforts to real criminals. Yes, there will continue to be home growers, there will continue to be an black market for the stuff if the tax is too high--and then it becomes the 'Revenooooers job to track them down. We can stop wasting time and effort, prison space, court time, and get on to real crimes. We can apply a crop that we used to be pretty damn good at raising--and we still do for the military since they REALLY like hemp rope--and use the stuff for something other than folks getting high. Which is the plant's real strength, as a versatile crop that right now is more valuable for its drug related uses, but if we decriminalize the stuff, we can then think about a LOT of other uses. The uses that drove the plant to being outlawed, and that WILL put the paper industry into a bit of a tizzy, considering how much they have invested in timber, but let the market sort that out.

Smoke it. Wear it. Turn it into paper. Feed for hogs and other critters, use the seeds for oils, there are a LOT of applications, and we've ignored them, and what was once a valuable cash crop for the US, because folks got scared of competition in the markets, and scared a LOT of folks with tales that just weren't based in reality, and have massaged lawmakers into backing them, and putting out some now fairly well documentedly discredited studies. It is long past time, and we've wasted enough time and money on this...
2013-04-04 04:15:27 PM  
5 votes:
Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."
2013-04-04 10:40:45 PM  
4 votes:

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


Consider the Following:

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2013-04-04 04:51:26 PM  
4 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?


That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.
2013-04-05 12:48:52 AM  
3 votes:

king_nacho: AeAe: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.

you are using reverse logic, the question isn't do all cannabis users move on to something else, it is do people that use harder drugs transition from cannabis. Just because one person doesn't move on to something else doesn't mean it isn't a gateway, it just means they didn't move on.


then how about looking further downstream?  How many hard drug users started with cigarettes and/or alcohol?  then cannabis -> meth/crack/etc?  Maybe there's a population that will move to harder and harder substances because they will do that regardless if any substance in that chain is legal or not.
2013-04-05 12:34:22 AM  
3 votes:
Harder, these days, to remain oblivious of the obvious (high farking price to pay for a morality play).

Still can't get a straight answer from those who continue to support War on Some Drugs, on why sacrificing innocents in the crossfire is more acceptable than allowing some junkie to nod off and die from pulmonary edema or, how that death is somehow more important to prevent than the death of some vodka chugger passing out on his/her back and aspirating on their own vomit.  Marijuana doesn't even appear on that screen.

True immorality is allowing static social values to twist static intellectual values into bizarre and expensive pretzels.

/only time Society should get involved is if the user (of any substance) interferes directly with the life or liberty of another citizen
2013-04-04 11:08:35 PM  
3 votes:
I was in and out of psychiatric hospitals and therapist offices throughout my life, at least until I discovered marijuana.

Weed has given me the peace of mind and calm to stop trying to eat a bullet every time certain chemicals in my brain drop to low levels. It has done wonders for my mental well-being in ways that numerous expensive medications over my lifetime never even came close to achieving.

So legal, illegal, who the fark cares. I'm still going to light up every night after work until the day I die. I'd rather be reliant on weed to get through the day than whatever pill is the new flavor of the month.

/smoke weed erryday
2013-04-04 11:07:59 PM  
3 votes:
Fark the man.

He can play his games, we can play ours.
Just as long as our paths never cross everything will be ok.

Good luck taking the single largest boot on the neck of the populace off of our collective throat. You guys might want to freshen up on what it is that governments do. (hint: it's not 'passing out freedoms and correcting wrongs wherever a systematic injustice can be found')

Money, power, control, every column that matters on the page is checked when it comes to propagating our war on drugs. Your opinions and your alleged freedoms do not matter one iota. There are enough gerrymandered retards in this nation to keep up the oppression for at least the next couple decades.

If you want justice and an end to the war than what you should care about isn't public opinion on drug laws. What needs to happen is this nation needs a serious education and cross-examination of the entire police-state culture.
Our problem isn't old drug laws, it's boot-lickers that can read articles about innocent people and pets being shot, about children spending a life in prison and look the other way pretending they didn't see anything. Or convincing themselves the government is alll that is good and holy and whomever it goes after must be bad.

You need a revolutionary movement away from our carefully cultivated nationalism and bring people back towards an educated patriotism. You need people interested in liberty in freedom for the concepts they are, and not as rallying words in a speech. You need people to remember an injustice to one citizen is an injustice against all of us.

When the national debate revolves around the profits and lobbying in the prison-industrial complex and pharmaceutical industries...
when the debate doesn't even need to include discussion of the drugs themselves,
when people care more about actual justice and cost to society vs technicalities, platitudes and talking points, THEN you might have hope of real change. Everything else is just lip service and a distraction.
2013-04-05 02:21:40 AM  
2 votes:

WordyGrrl: Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.

No kidding. You wanna get stoned/drunk on your own time, that's on you. If you show up for work stoned/drunk, that's a different story and your stupid ass should probably be fired. If you job sucks so bad you think you need to be stoned to handle it, well... honey, you need to find another line of work.


Or to have been born with a body that works.  I have 5 separate skeletal issues, my current prescription for the pain is Hydrocodone (Vicodin)  I hate the crap and prefer to suffer.  My neurosurgeon tells me when it stops working I get Limbaugh dope.  I don't live in a free state, have no access to herbal meds anymore and can barely get out of bed because of the pain.  This shiat needs to stop.  I have never taken, don't want to take, and will never take Heroin or its white-trash cousin. Gateway drug my ass, pot's kept me OFF legally sanctioned hard drugs.  Show up to work at all, your choice H or Pot, at the end of the day we all know  the alcoholic everyone has been covering for is the one who will go psycho in the office. The pot head will just say, "Dude, I told you but you didn't listen."

My last company literally informed me of the new random drug testing policy over beers.  Each of my 3 bosses had at least 4 beers in the course of 35 minutes, I had two Mt Dews.  I was so pissed that these drunks were 'warning' me because they thought I was a stoner, when the only thing I was taking were my Orthopedic Surgeon proscribed pain meds which at the time were far lighter than now, but don't work anymore at all.   I did them a favor, they got drug tested that afternoon, by highway patrol after our meeting.  I don't know who called those SOB's in but two of the three got caught and breathalyzed. When the new bosses were twice the idiots the former ones were I talked it through with my wife and left. As a final fark you I packed my truck up, parked it at the office, met a friend, got my first ounce in over 15 years, walked in told my former bosses bosses where they could shove their piece of shiat job, went home and got so blazed I was singing show tunes.  Haven't taken an opioid related medicine since, all of my former bosses are looking at federal charges for embezzlement, I unfortunately didn't think my resignation through and gave them all the documents showing my labor extending beyond 2am many nights when my pay was only for 40 hours a week. After getting stoned I didn't even care anymore that I forgot to save legal documentation, in the end Karma is biting them in the a$$ and I can move my body better than I could in my 20's.

I've gotten so lazy I've gone back to school to get a second degree and possibly two advanced degrees.  Stoners at work = happy workers
Any future drug tests I take will involve, "what have you ingested today?"  and not urine. I won't work for someone I can't be honest with ever
again. Burnt bridges force you to find new paths to life.
2013-04-05 12:45:06 AM  
2 votes:
i172.photobucket.com
2013-04-04 11:05:14 PM  
2 votes:
Hey little kiddies! We're going to make marijuana illegal. Because it's so dangerous! It could hurt you! It could ruin your life!!! As if arresting you and jailing you for marijuana possession won't ruin your life.
2013-04-04 10:41:27 PM  
2 votes:

Philbb: basemetal: Yeah, maybe the majority when you count the big cities, but when you get to individual states, bible belt states, better think again.

"Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative. "


You underestimate the power of the churches in the bible belt to demonize something, drive that thought home to their members, organize and influence voters and legislators.  Hell, all they have to do around here is say Obama was for it.
2013-04-04 10:34:43 PM  
2 votes:

MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.


That. Every pot smoker I know wants it legalized. Pot dealers, not one bit. They make good profits with it being illegal, especially on the really good weed shipped in from California and the fact that dealers in my area don't sell regi like they used too -- it's all kine or mids if you're lucky. Don't get me wrong, I like the kill, but I can't afford those prices.

I just hate it that cheap, regular weed is hard to come by now. Ever since all the "medicinal" weed laws started coming into effect I've found it harder and harder to get regular weed. Those laws also somewhat correlate to the laws making it harder for tweakers to buy their pills. Me thinks the Mexicans are shipping more meth than weed and most US weed comes from Canada\California\Grower Friendly states.

You know it's all farked up when good meth is cheaper and easier to get than regular weed. I really miss 10 years ago when the regular weed was just as abundant as the killer. Now it's killer or bust, and that just sucks.

//down to my last bowl :(
2013-04-04 10:34:05 PM  
2 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

37 years ahead of his time...
2013-04-04 10:24:59 PM  
2 votes:
As someone retiring from the Air National Guard this year, I am all for it ;)

I'd be very okay with the DEA focusing their efforts on meth. Evil, evil shiat and enough out there to keep them in business.
2013-04-04 10:17:19 PM  
2 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: A notable political split exists on the issue, with conservative Republicans heavily against legalization,


I never understood this. You'd think that federal drug reform would be a conservative's wet dream: small government, state's rights, decr... wait, what's that? Conservative Republicans aren't actually conservative?

Oh. Now I get it.
2013-04-04 08:53:51 PM  
2 votes:
Most Americans no longer see marijuana as a "gateway" to more dangerous drugs, and most no longer see its use as immoral. As recently as 2006, half of respondents said in a Pew survey that marijuana use was "morally wrong." Now, only one-third do, while half say that marijuana usage is "not a moral issue."

that suggests NORML's outreach and education efforts are really starting to pay off.  hard facts and scientific evidence beat government propaganda every time...
2013-04-04 06:50:27 PM  
2 votes:

cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC


Yes, let's make a highly addictive drug, that's already the most abused prescription drug in the country, OTC.  That will turn out well.
2013-04-05 12:56:55 PM  
1 votes:

king_nacho: Most studies point to two factors, use of a drug like alcohol or tobacco, then on to cannabis, then on to something else. That migration is probably caused by some genetic predisposition, and the drugs are just the person trying to make it to the next high.


This assumes the user is "trying to make it to the next high. "

One thing your progression is missing is the effects of a culture of prohibition. By sending our children in to the hands of drug dealers to experiment with marijuana they become inculcated to a prohibition culture. 6 months in and all those lies their schools, governments, and possibly parents told them about marijuana become glaringly false and the line from their dealer that "nobody gets addicted to meth the first time" might just become believable. Remove the prohibitions on marijuana and you remove the social gateway effect when kids only have to get their older brother to go to 7-11 for them instead of socializing with junkies.
2013-04-05 11:52:46 AM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".


Majority of Americans ... "We want everything contained in Obamacare, just don't call it Obamacare because the GOP have tarnished the name Obamacare".
2013-04-05 07:09:08 AM  
1 votes:

adamatari: Things are happening faster. Rhode Island just deciminalized. Unfortunately, NO East/Northeast states allow direct democracy (all referendums have to be approved by the legislature), so unless they actually elect people who are willing to change the law, nothing will happen - and D.C. follows the NE, not the West. But with medical in D.C. itself and in Massachusetts, as well as decrim in Rhode Island... Things are changing.

I think one of the tipping points was legal cannabis being more popular than Obama in Colorado. All of the politicians are on notice that the tables have turned, and being against cannabis may cost them an election.

I've been waiting for this for years and years. i thought things would change with California, but they didn't, and then they voted  against legalization and I thought it might take forever. But I think it really is different now.


I hope you realize many pro-weed people here in California were against the legalization proposition, mainly because of the perceived impact it would have on the current model and those involved with growing the top shelf weed we have here. I actually am happy CO and WA decided to set the trend on this one and figure out the logistics, CA already set this all in motion with the medical program so don't be too mad at us for voting that prop down.

/America's views on gay people and weed have changed so much in the last 20 years, it restores my faith in humanity.
2013-04-05 06:58:01 AM  
1 votes:
Things are happening faster. Rhode Island just deciminalized. Unfortunately, NO East/Northeast states allow direct democracy (all referendums have to be approved by the legislature), so unless they actually elect people who are willing to change the law, nothing will happen - and D.C. follows the NE, not the West. But with medical in D.C. itself and in Massachusetts, as well as decrim in Rhode Island... Things are changing.

I think one of the tipping points was legal cannabis being more popular than Obama in Colorado. All of the politicians are on notice that the tables have turned, and being against cannabis may cost them an election.

I've been waiting for this for years and years. i thought things would change with California, but they didn't, and then they voted  against legalization and I thought it might take forever. But I think it really is different now.
2013-04-05 03:57:17 AM  
1 votes:

Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.


My .02 although I don't know shiat about gluten free stuff (be sure to check labels and stuff):

- Duncan Hines and Betty Crocker mixes suck ass and taste like ass. Get Ghirardelli if you can. Tastes much better and it's made to bake at 325F rather than 375F or 400F.
- When making your butter, get a 1 pound box of the Land O Lakes 1/4 cup sticks (there are 8 half sticks in the box). Use three of the 1/4 cup sticks.
- After you strain your butter through cheesecloth, squeeze out your cheesecloth with a ricer. Then dampen the cloth and squeeze out again. Do this several times.
- I prefer to use a pyrex dish rather than a metal pan to bake in. Still, don't forget to spray the dish so the brownies don't stick.
- You don't need to grind up your stuff into a fine powder. A course grind so it looks like tobacco for a cigarette is just fine.
- Expect to make several batches before you hit on the right taste and strength that you want.
- Eating and smoking hit you in different ways and take different amounts of time. You may not feel anything that you eat for an hour or more depending on how recently you have eaten.
- Hot chocolate (made with MILK) goes well with edibles.
- The cheap, small, $10 crock pot at Walmart, is a thing of beauty
- Brownies last a long time in the freezer. Just take one out an hour before you want to eat it and put on a warm surface rather than microwaving it.
- Keep away from pets and kids

/or so I've heard :)
2013-04-05 03:00:30 AM  
1 votes:

hideous: is this the same majority that want's free healthcare, and other services, but don't want to raise taxes?  Well, we should definitely listen to the majority then.


No, let's listen to the people with proper grammar instead.
2013-04-05 02:15:28 AM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-04-05 01:01:20 AM  
1 votes:

king_nacho: Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.

"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.


Except that it basically just says "People with addictive personalities tend to try a lot of drugs."

The second study reads "Pot helps you cope with the effect of the other drugs you're already doing."

Neither says that if you toke some weed you're doomed to be cooking meth within the week.
2013-04-05 12:41:58 AM  
1 votes:

king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies


Ain't nobody got time for reading all that shiat! Summarize it for us brah... It's late.

Also, I wonder how many people who later get hooked on meth smoked cigarettes before starting meth. I wonder how many people that do meth had previously drank alcohol on a regular basis.
2013-04-05 12:13:09 AM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


This is such a massive failure of a post. The issue of the legalization of marijuana is black and white. It's either legal, or illegal. The issue of marriage between 2 consenting adults shouldn't have even been a question, but since it is.... it's very simple. People are either for it or they are against it.

The issue of healthcare is so much more complicated. Do people support Obamacare? Yes or No. Well what if you don't but you don't think it went far enough??  Many people who oppose it would have preferred a public option.

Don't compare civil rights and civil liberties with healthcare.
2013-04-05 12:12:30 AM  
1 votes:
got off, even

sheesh

giggity?

typing...how does it work?
2013-04-05 12:11:52 AM  
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


conversely, that's also how I get off meth, dumbass
2013-04-05 12:02:24 AM  
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: The effect of parenthood may also be part of the most striking shift in opinion -- the change among members of the baby boom generation. During the 1970s, when baby boomers were in their teens and 20s, a plurality supported legalizing pot, with support hitting 47% in a 1978 survey. But as they aged, boomers changed their minds, with support for legal marijuana dropping to fewer than one in five baby boomers by 1990, when members of the generation were in their 30s and 40s. Since then, they've shifted again, and the new poll shows 50% now support legalizing the drug.

And we hear biatching from boomers about how my generation (and younger) are the "me" generation.

Also (also), from
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0404/Support-for-legal- ma rijuana-may-have-reached-tipping-point-poll-finds

In 1991, only 17 percent supported legalization, while 78 percent opposed.

Quite the shift.


I'm in that 17% then. Was a member in good standing of the high school high in 1978, in favor of legalizing. All through Reagan's War on Drugs I was in favor of legalizing. I was in favor of legalizing but gave up on ever seeing it through the 1990s and 2000s, and watched in horror as the DEA and other agencies leveraged the war on drugs to escalate paramilitary policing, no-knock warrants, and private prisons -- which by the way won't fill themselves.

Still in favor of legalizing all drugs, treat addiction like a medical issue and destroy all private prisons immediately.

But there's far far more money in the drug war status quo to make me think it ever happens. Maybe after a few more dozen judges get offed, but I doubt it.

Who makes money on the status quo:

1) DEA and other police agencies
2) Prosecutors
3) Trial lawyers getting middle class and upper class kids out of criminal drug charges
4) Prison budgets for all drug related incarcerations
5) Private prison industry
6) Various phony baloney rehab thats nothing but religion forced on prisoners with federal grants
7) The drug gangs themselves - don't forget how rich they can get being drug lords
8) The medical industry -- the best drugs on the market are almost all illegal, clearing competition for the crappy legal prescription substitutes
9) Forfeiture fans everywhere, from local cops to police auction fans to city budgets augmented by big drug/crime wealth seizures.

On and on it goes.

Short of demanding it by violence and regular protest I don't see how this happy array of criminals ever gives up its power.
2013-04-04 11:50:44 PM  
1 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.


Make sure you only use the middle of your pee stream to fill the cup.  The beginning and end have the most adulterants.
2013-04-04 11:46:33 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".


You know that a lot of the people against Obamacare are against it because it doesn't go far enough and they want single payer, right?
2013-04-04 11:28:02 PM  
1 votes:
As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.
2013-04-04 11:24:08 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


And both of these issues being illegal are stupid, I don't care how they shoved the legislation through to make gay marriage illegal, WHY DO PEOPLE GIVE A shiat WHAT SOMEONE DOES WITH THEMSELVES.
2013-04-04 11:06:51 PM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Weed and Hookers should be legal.

End of story.


I like you.
2013-04-04 11:02:13 PM  
1 votes:

MaliFinn: meh

pardon me if I fail to care about stoners


so you're saying you don't oppose legalization of cannabis then?  cool!  thanks man!
2013-04-04 10:55:16 PM  
1 votes:
meh

pardon me if I fail to care about stoners
2013-04-04 10:46:40 PM  
1 votes:

MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."


Unfortunately you are absolutely right. Pretty much the only funding on the no side in the Washington campaign was from the biggest medical mmj dispensary owner in the state. The hypocrisy from that douchebag was utterly sickening.
2013-04-04 10:46:31 PM  
1 votes:
legalize it already and i dont even smoke.
2013-04-04 10:46:31 PM  
1 votes:

nvmac: I don't care.  I'm not going to use it anyway, but I've voted for it everytime it shows up on a ballot.

Convincing the alcohol and pharma lobbies to play along is the biggest hindrance.

/it's always all about money


Wouldn't the pharma lobby be in favor of it?  I mean they could make billions if they didn't have to worry about federal laws shutting them down.  I mean drug dealers are one thing, and mom and pop operations are another, but if the consistency and reliability pharmaceutical products would be beyond belief.  That would instantly put drug dealers out of business.
2013-04-04 10:44:53 PM  
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.


um...you're just trolling right?  I mean nobody actually believes that bullshiat anymore....
2013-04-04 10:42:14 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


you're higher than balls right now, aren't you?
2013-04-04 10:28:31 PM  
1 votes:

cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store

Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC


Or at least don't put all the responsibility on docs when someone fools them into prescribing. As it is now we have plenty of Americans in constant pain. Took me three years of suffering to get some decent meds because I either looked too young or I didn't 'act' as if in pain, but let me say that it's easy to suffer in silence. Doctor can't tell I am bent over in pain hours a day, or frozen to a spot, Meanwhile, junkies with no conscience somehow know exactly how to manipulate physicians, whereas I somehow always look and feel a criminal.
2013-04-04 10:27:27 PM  
1 votes:

CruJones: I don't think I know anyone who is actually against legalization, and I've lived all around the deep south.  Some aren't really for it, but they aren't against it either.  Even some die hard baptists I know admit it's no worse than booze, and should be legal if booze is.


I've even known cops who recognize alcoholism tears families and lives apart, but weed never does. Well unless people get arrested for it, which is why said cops were lax about arresting people for it.
2013-04-04 10:26:18 PM  
1 votes:
It would be nice to be able to just go to a store and get a reliable product. Most pot dealing around here is a sideline for their meth and the last thing you want is to let meth heads know you have money for drugs.
2013-04-04 10:26:01 PM  
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

Yes, let's make a highly addictive drug, that's already the most abused prescription drug in the country, OTC.  That will turn out well.


It's not like I can go to any of the bars in my shiatty little Wisconsin village of 10,000 and buy some right f*cking now, now is it?

Christ, it's harder to buy Sudafed.
2013-04-04 10:17:13 PM  
1 votes:
Honestly, I'd have thought an agriculture state would be the first to give a giant middle finger to the government. Pot grows everywhere and costs almost nothing to keep alive. For the price, farmers would adore planting it.
2013-04-04 10:13:05 PM  
1 votes:
The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."
2013-04-04 09:53:07 PM  
1 votes:

basemetal: Yeah, maybe the majority when you count the big cities, but when you get to individual states, bible belt states, better think again.


"Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative. "
2013-04-04 09:22:28 PM  
1 votes:

basemetal: Yeah, maybe the majority when you count the big cities, but when you get to individual states, bible belt states, better think again.


if we change the federal laws and leave the decision up to the states, i'm sure the situation will resolve itself rather quickly.
2013-04-04 08:36:44 PM  
1 votes:

Rev.K: Get Marc Emery the f*ck out of the American jail he should never have gone to in the first place.


Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

Pot should be legal, but no one's said ANYTHING about legalizing being Canadian.
2013-04-04 08:27:44 PM  
1 votes:
Get Marc Emery the f*ck out of the American jail he should never have gone to in the first place.
2013-04-04 08:15:33 PM  
1 votes:
≈90% of Americans support universal background checks for firearms purchases, yet it looks like it has no chance in Congress.  Marijuana legalization is up against the exact same kind of challenge.  There are just enough entities holding purse strings to keep any bill that would de-criminalize cannabis out there that it wouldn't ever make it to a vote.

Gay marriage has only cultural opposition.  It will be legal.  Weed has financial opposition.  It won't.
2013-04-04 08:11:57 PM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.

I once got a job with a very large, well known tech company. The best gig I ever had, and they didn't test.

/it occurred to me later that at that particular company, smoking pot was kind of expected


Try working in game dev.

If they tested everyone here, there wouldn't be anyone left to turn off the lights and lock the door.
2013-04-04 07:52:37 PM  
1 votes:
I've been smoking weed since I was 15 and and I'm well in my 40s now. I'm pretty cool with the way things are except I guess I wouldn't mind trying my hand at growing my own without worry of arrest. Probably cheaper this way without all the tax issues.
2013-04-04 06:12:08 PM  
1 votes:

impaler: When I hire people, they have to test positive for cocaine or meth.


Yeah, I used to be in hospitality management, too.
2013-04-04 05:53:52 PM  
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.


I once got a job with a very large, well known tech company. The best gig I ever had, and they didn't test.

/it occurred to me later that at that particular company, smoking pot was kind of expected
2013-04-04 05:53:49 PM  
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Lots of random things need organizing?


But only part way.
2013-04-04 05:41:12 PM  
1 votes:
img844.imageshack.us

The first decree is to legalize marijuana.
The tyranny and the bullshiat's gone on too long.
You old farkin' shrivs who blocked it's legalization,
you're banished from the land!
2013-04-04 05:39:04 PM  
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-2021/they-destroyed-themselves.htm l

Eat some more pills, pill head.


At least we know his drug of choice now.  And why he's sounding more and more like Limbaugh every day - he's getting just as backed up as he is.
2013-04-04 04:13:47 PM  
1 votes:
First time in 4 decades plus of polling...

Also

By an overwhelming margin, 72% to 23%, respondents said the federal government's efforts against marijuana "cost more than they are worth."
Similarly, by nearly 2-to-1, respondents said the federal government should not enforce its anti-marijuana laws in states that allow use of the drug.


Wonder who the foot draggers will be...

The poll suggests a shift in federal law may be slow. A notable political split exists on the issue, with conservative Republicans heavily against legalization, while majorities of Democrats, independents and liberal and moderate Republicans back it. Conservatives have strong sway among Republicans in the House.

This was somewhat surprising:

Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative.
 
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