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2013-04-05 12:52:41 AM  

toraque: Try working in game dev.

If they tested everyone here, there wouldn't be anyone left to turn off the lights and lock the door.


And nothing of value would be lost
 
2013-04-05 12:53:43 AM  

AeAe: king_nacho: AeAe: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.

you are using reverse logic, the question isn't do all cannabis users move on to something else, it is do people that use harder drugs transition from cannabis. Just because one person doesn't move on to something else doesn't mean it isn't a gateway, it just means they didn't move on.

then how about looking further downstream?  How many hard drug users started with cigarettes and/or alcohol?  then cannabis -> meth/crack/etc?  Maybe there's a population that will move to harder and harder substances because they will do that regardless if any substance in that chain is legal or not.


Absolutely, in general most gateway studies show that people tend to start with other legal and socially acceptable vices, and move towards the illegal. Alcohol being one of the main ones, but there are others. And they don't always lead to drug use, they can often lead to other types of abuse such as eating disorders, cutting, sex addiction, etc.

Most studies point to two factors, use of a drug like alcohol or tobacco, then on to cannabis, then on to something else. That migration is probably caused by some genetic predisposition, and the drugs are just the person trying to make it to the next high.
 
2013-04-05 12:54:48 AM  

king_nacho: tylerdurden217: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

Ain't nobody got time for reading all that shiat! Summarize it for us brah... It's late.

Also, I wonder how many people who later get hooked on meth smoked cigarettes before starting meth. I wonder how many people that do meth had previously drank alcohol on a regular basis.

Summary of the first one: Of the people found to not use amphetamines by the age 24, the primary predictor was the use of cannabis by the age of 20.

Summary of the 2nd study: Rats that started out with THC in their system used 40% more heroine than rats not exposed to THC. This, and other studies have shown that THC use in connection with other drugs dampens the sensation of the second drug, causing the individual to use more.


Both of those studies are flawed in that they answer the question: is cannabis use healthful for adolescents? That answer has been known for some time.
 
2013-04-05 12:57:52 AM  

Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.


"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.
 
2013-04-05 01:00:33 AM  

king_nacho: Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.

"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.


See post above yours; it's not the question posed.
 
2013-04-05 01:01:20 AM  

king_nacho: Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.

"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.


Except that it basically just says "People with addictive personalities tend to try a lot of drugs."

The second study reads "Pot helps you cope with the effect of the other drugs you're already doing."

Neither says that if you toke some weed you're doomed to be cooking meth within the week.
 
2013-04-05 01:01:36 AM  
Simpsons did it.  (Bart to the Future.)
 
2013-04-05 01:02:50 AM  

Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: tylerdurden217: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:


Both of those studies are flawed in that they answer the question: is cannabis use healthful for adolescents? That answer has been known for some time.


Most recreational drug use begins with adolescents, so if you are looking for adults that are addicted to harder drugs, shouldn't you look at their adolescent years to determine if there are patterns?
 
2013-04-05 01:04:21 AM  

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


I blame formula.  They got hooked on chemicals early.
 
2013-04-05 01:08:04 AM  
Dream on stoners, dream on.
 
2013-04-05 01:08:21 AM  

Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.

"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.

See post above yours; it's not the question posed.


"Aims: Despite good evidence of increased availability and use of amphetamines world-wide, relatively little is known about the epidemiology of young adult amphetamine use; relationships with social functioning, other drug use and mental health at this age; nor of the adolescent predictors of such use. We examined these issues using a representative cohort of young people followed-up in Victoria, Australia. "

One of the aims of the study was predictors of amphetamine use, so it was one of the questions posed in the study.
 
2013-04-05 01:10:22 AM  

fusillade762: Jon Hamm appearing in the two-part finale as "Captain Murphy, the possibly deranged commander of an undersea laboratory." Will Jon Hamm get to say, "And there go my nipples again!" in his velvety, Jon Hamm baritone? You'll find out April 4


RIP Harry Goz

//haven't watched it yet
//it's in the DVR for tomorrow
 
2013-04-05 01:12:49 AM  

king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies


That Nature paper is interesting. If I'm reading it right it says thc exposure makes later opiate use more intense/addicting. It doesnt show thc use leads to opiate use, rather there is an increased susceptiblity to its effects once use begins.

The "gateway" hypothesis, as I've seen it used, says pot makes people more likely to *start* using harder drugs. Is there a statistically significant increase in the use of harder drugs after a person uses pot? Is that increase *caused* by pot or is there some hidden variable?
 
2013-04-05 01:13:24 AM  
Without reading anything I'm going to assume this means gay bathroom sex
 
2013-04-05 01:15:24 AM  

davidphogan: Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

I blame formula.  They got hooked on chemicals early.


Or how about people like to get intoxicated?  People enjoy altering their reality?  There's nothing wrong with either.
 
2013-04-05 01:18:48 AM  

Omahawg: brucealanblock.com


That's the shiattiest version of some fanboy trying to copy the old 1st edition DMG I've ever seen.
 
2013-04-05 01:24:20 AM  

king_nacho: Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.

"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.


How about old adults. My mom was from the generation that was prescribed amphetamines. She also joked she slept with Prince Valium more times than Johnny Carson (see people used to go to bed and watch Johnny Carson, even while smoking in bed).

Legalize, regulate and tax it, or ban alcohol and tobacco, her gateway drugs. Or, ban doctors from prescribing addictive drugs to any patients that have used alcohol or tobacco.
 
2013-04-05 01:28:41 AM  
When there's nothing left do but f*ck, getting stoned is a fine ending to any day.
 
2013-04-05 01:30:49 AM  

Baryogenesis: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

That Nature paper is interesting. If I'm reading it right it says thc exposure makes later opiate use more intense/addicting. It doesnt show thc use leads to opiate use, rather there is an increased susceptiblity to its effects once use begins.

The "gateway" hypothesis, as I've seen it used, says pot makes people more likely to *start* using harder drugs. Is there a statistically significant increase in the use of harder drugs after a person uses pot? Is that increase *caused* by pot or is there some hidden variable?


Absolutely, I'm not sure you'll every find a study method that can truly prove or disprove the gateway hypothesis without first defining those hidden variables. The obvious choices of course being genetics and environment, and environment could be the catalyst for starting cannabis use in the first place.

My guess is that genetics are the root cause, then the exposure to some drug (caffeine, alcohol, cannabis, adderall) starts the ball rolling.

I'm not suggesting that the gateway theory be used to keep the drug illegal, I'm simply suggesting you cannot downplay the reality that some people just can't handle their vices, regardless of vice. If we go down the path of opening up the market for commercial marijuana sales, then we have to be prepared for all the side effects that come with it. If marijuana is legal for recreational use, then what, is it treated like tobacco? Can i just light up a joint in the car? What if I smoke in the car with my kid in the car? Can I smoke it anywhere I smoke a traditional cigarette? Or do we treat it more like alcohol? Have to be 21, can't use and drive?

So then what, lets say you can go to Kroger and get a pack of Camel Greens? Is society ready to deal with that?
 
2013-04-05 01:34:50 AM  

ShawnDoc: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

Yes, let's make a highly addictive drug, that's already the most abused prescription drug in the country, OTC.  That will turn out well.


Meh, he's mostly right. Prohibition of mind-altering substances does not work. It shouldn't be OTC for anyone but card-carrying addicts. Opiate addicts will and currently are finding something else otherwise, and that's usually heroin. And with that comes needle diseases, and with prohibition comes robberies, murder, and criminal enterprises.

They are gonna use, and some of them are going to overuse and die doing it. That's just a fact no matter what the laws are. But we can limit the impact it has on the rest of us and better use our drugwar money elsewhere.
 
2013-04-05 01:41:34 AM  
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2013-04-05 01:45:37 AM  

bigvicproton: I'm just worried that once its legal everywhere I will have to listen to everybody talk about it instead of just ignoring a few stoners talking about.  Kinda like what happened to facebook...your Aunt will be telling you about some decent bud or some crap.  Also the country is fat enough already, it does not need a nationwide case of the munchies.

Other than that...
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You know, I've always wondered what the story was behind that picture. I found  this which leaves me even more confused.
 
2013-04-05 01:51:01 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Omahawg: brucealanblock.com

That's the shiattiest version of some fanboy trying to copy the old 1st edition DMG I've ever seen.


I think it's from the 20s...
 
2013-04-05 01:59:32 AM  

JohnBigBootay: - get the good shiat and a bag of leaf and trim for basically nothing.


Thanks for the pro tip.   I refuse to cut with nicotine, and most that is available knocks my head so hard I can hardly remember anything.

/except pro tips
 
2013-04-05 02:15:28 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-05 02:21:40 AM  

WordyGrrl: Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.

No kidding. You wanna get stoned/drunk on your own time, that's on you. If you show up for work stoned/drunk, that's a different story and your stupid ass should probably be fired. If you job sucks so bad you think you need to be stoned to handle it, well... honey, you need to find another line of work.


Or to have been born with a body that works.  I have 5 separate skeletal issues, my current prescription for the pain is Hydrocodone (Vicodin)  I hate the crap and prefer to suffer.  My neurosurgeon tells me when it stops working I get Limbaugh dope.  I don't live in a free state, have no access to herbal meds anymore and can barely get out of bed because of the pain.  This shiat needs to stop.  I have never taken, don't want to take, and will never take Heroin or its white-trash cousin. Gateway drug my ass, pot's kept me OFF legally sanctioned hard drugs.  Show up to work at all, your choice H or Pot, at the end of the day we all know  the alcoholic everyone has been covering for is the one who will go psycho in the office. The pot head will just say, "Dude, I told you but you didn't listen."

My last company literally informed me of the new random drug testing policy over beers.  Each of my 3 bosses had at least 4 beers in the course of 35 minutes, I had two Mt Dews.  I was so pissed that these drunks were 'warning' me because they thought I was a stoner, when the only thing I was taking were my Orthopedic Surgeon proscribed pain meds which at the time were far lighter than now, but don't work anymore at all.   I did them a favor, they got drug tested that afternoon, by highway patrol after our meeting.  I don't know who called those SOB's in but two of the three got caught and breathalyzed. When the new bosses were twice the idiots the former ones were I talked it through with my wife and left. As a final fark you I packed my truck up, parked it at the office, met a friend, got my first ounce in over 15 years, walked in told my former bosses bosses where they could shove their piece of shiat job, went home and got so blazed I was singing show tunes.  Haven't taken an opioid related medicine since, all of my former bosses are looking at federal charges for embezzlement, I unfortunately didn't think my resignation through and gave them all the documents showing my labor extending beyond 2am many nights when my pay was only for 40 hours a week. After getting stoned I didn't even care anymore that I forgot to save legal documentation, in the end Karma is biting them in the a$$ and I can move my body better than I could in my 20's.

I've gotten so lazy I've gone back to school to get a second degree and possibly two advanced degrees.  Stoners at work = happy workers
Any future drug tests I take will involve, "what have you ingested today?"  and not urine. I won't work for someone I can't be honest with ever
again. Burnt bridges force you to find new paths to life.
 
2013-04-05 02:30:51 AM  

abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?


Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.
 
2013-04-05 02:40:53 AM  

Omahawg: Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

conversely, that's also how I get off meth, dumbass


Big congratulations to you sir!
 
2013-04-05 02:42:18 AM  
Im not going to read all the comments in yet another legalise it thread. I probably agree and disagree with most of you, one way or the other.
I think it should be legal, just like i think that I should be able to walk in to a pharmacy and get some things like xanax and vicodin otc, 5-10/ month, with normal tracking kept in play. Because, as much as i hate big pharma- sometimes certain drugs fix things, or relieve symptoms and pain. I still have some vics from an
oral surgery from a few years ago. They gave me 5, so i am not really a pillhead. vics work but they make it hard to poop so... rarely used.Still- i should be legal to discrad them and get fresh ones, otc .
Now, I mention that first because there is no way until we are in patent and copyright hell that cannabis will be legal at the federal level.
I know a few folks who used cannabis to stop drinking before they killed themselves doing that. How does big pharma make a dollar if the potential patient chooses a holistic, herbal approach ?
i have more examples, but I hope my point was made. Im trying to think of a Jimmy Carter legalising homebrewing situation / solution, but idk how that would work. When I was active brewing I broke the law brewing more than 3 times a year ( in gallons / barrels ) .
 
2013-04-05 02:57:06 AM  

Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.


I made some Bob's Red Mill gluten free brownies and while they looked amazing they were no where near sweet enough, even after I added an extra half cup of sugar and milk chocolate chips.  It used a stick and a half of butter so it would have gotten me right farked up if I used cannabutter.
 
2013-04-05 02:57:08 AM  
is this the same majority that want's free healthcare, and other services, but don't want to raise taxes?  Well, we should definitely listen to the majority then.
 
2013-04-05 03:00:30 AM  

hideous: is this the same majority that want's free healthcare, and other services, but don't want to raise taxes?  Well, we should definitely listen to the majority then.


No, let's listen to the people with proper grammar instead.
 
2013-04-05 03:04:57 AM  

tylerdurden217: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

Ain't nobody got time for reading all that shiat! Summarize it for us brah... It's late.

Also, I wonder how many people who later get hooked on meth smoked cigarettes before starting meth. I wonder how many people that do meth had previously drank alcohol on a regular basis.


Simply because A precedes B does not mean A caused B. F*cking causality, how does it work?
 
2013-04-05 03:17:16 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Approves:

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/obscure?


The Alphabet Song!!
Haven't heard these guys in a long time! Not since I moved and left most of my stuff behind!!!
 
2013-04-05 03:19:09 AM  

king_nacho: Baryogenesis: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

That Nature paper is interesting. If I'm reading it right it says thc exposure makes later opiate use more intense/addicting. It doesnt show thc use leads to opiate use, rather there is an increased susceptiblity to its effects once use begins.

The "gateway" hypothesis, as I've seen it used, says pot makes people more likely to *start* using harder drugs. Is there a statistically significant increase in the use of harder drugs after a person uses pot? Is that increase *caused* by pot or is there some hidden variable?

Absolutely, I'm not sure you'll every find a study method that can truly prove or disprove the gateway hypothesis without first defining those hidden variables. The obvious choices of course being genetics and environment, and environment could be the catalyst for starting cannabis use in the first place.

My guess is that genetics are the root cause, then the exposure to some drug (caffeine, alcohol, cannabis, adderall) starts the ball rolling.

I'm not suggesting that the gateway theory be used to keep the drug illegal, I'm simply suggesting you cannot downplay the reality that some people just can't handle their vices, regardless of vice. If we go down the path of opening up the market for commercial marijuana sales, then we have to be prepared for all the side effects that come with it. If marijuana is legal for recreational use, then what, is it treated like tobacco? Can i just light up a joint in the car? What if I smoke in the car with my kid in the car? Can I smoke it anywhe ...


That's easy.  Dedicate a portion of tax revenue from the sale of marijuana (or any other drugs we legalize) to treatment/sobriety programs.  Portugal is a great example of how decriminalizing drug use and treating addicts instead of locking them up benefits everyone and saves tax dollars.  As far as smoking in public, treat pot exactly like cigarettes (mostly for simplicity sake).
 
2013-04-05 03:19:34 AM  

lewismarktwo: Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.

I made some Bob's Red Mill gluten free brownies and while they looked amazing they were no where near sweet enough, even after I added an extra half cup of sugar and milk chocolate chips.  It used a stick and a half of butter so it would have gotten me right farked up if I used cannabutter.


Damn. I think the brownies I make call for like half a stick. I don't know anything about gluten-free cooking. I'm sure some hippie somewhere has plenty of gluten-free recipes posted.
 
2013-04-05 03:24:55 AM  
 
2013-04-05 03:34:31 AM  
I don't get how the pharmacies aren't all over legalization. They could make literal banks of money by selling it, and lobbying for the Federal government to make it legal to consume, but not to produce, and then levy taxes on the purchase.

Not that I'm saying I want the "big pharma" companies to do that, but they aren't being exactly the most shrewd of businesses. Yeah, it'll make a lot of their drugs obsolete (for the most part), but they would probably make more money doing this than selling crapass drugs.
 
2013-04-05 03:38:32 AM  
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2013-04-05 03:40:31 AM  

Blue_Blazer: lewismarktwo: Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.

I made some Bob's Red Mill gluten free brownies and while they looked amazing they were no where near sweet enough, even after I added an extra half cup of sugar and milk chocolate chips.  It used a stick and a half of butter so it would have gotten me right farked up if I used cannabutter.

Damn. I think the brownies I make call for like half a stick. I don't know anything about gluten-free cooking. I'm sure some hippie somewhere has plenty of gluten-free recipes posted.


Apparently, all you need is some xanthen gum or guar gum and maybe some potato starch or the like and you can make just about anything gluten free.
 
2013-04-05 03:57:17 AM  

Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.


My .02 although I don't know shiat about gluten free stuff (be sure to check labels and stuff):

- Duncan Hines and Betty Crocker mixes suck ass and taste like ass. Get Ghirardelli if you can. Tastes much better and it's made to bake at 325F rather than 375F or 400F.
- When making your butter, get a 1 pound box of the Land O Lakes 1/4 cup sticks (there are 8 half sticks in the box). Use three of the 1/4 cup sticks.
- After you strain your butter through cheesecloth, squeeze out your cheesecloth with a ricer. Then dampen the cloth and squeeze out again. Do this several times.
- I prefer to use a pyrex dish rather than a metal pan to bake in. Still, don't forget to spray the dish so the brownies don't stick.
- You don't need to grind up your stuff into a fine powder. A course grind so it looks like tobacco for a cigarette is just fine.
- Expect to make several batches before you hit on the right taste and strength that you want.
- Eating and smoking hit you in different ways and take different amounts of time. You may not feel anything that you eat for an hour or more depending on how recently you have eaten.
- Hot chocolate (made with MILK) goes well with edibles.
- The cheap, small, $10 crock pot at Walmart, is a thing of beauty
- Brownies last a long time in the freezer. Just take one out an hour before you want to eat it and put on a warm surface rather than microwaving it.
- Keep away from pets and kids

/or so I've heard :)
 
2013-04-05 04:41:23 AM  
So another 20 years before the Feds catch up with the people's wishes?
 
2013-04-05 05:09:01 AM  

king_nacho: So then what, lets say you can go to Kroger and get a pack of Camel Greens? Is society ready to deal with that?


Society survived the far more dangerous effects of Prohibition II, though not without serious and possibly irreversible damage.
 
2013-04-05 05:45:53 AM  

lewismarktwo: Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.

I made some Bob's Red Mill gluten free brownies and while they looked amazing they were no where near sweet enough, even after I added an extra half cup of sugar and milk chocolate chips.  It used a stick and a half of butter so it would have gotten me right farked up if I used cannabutter.


Bob is a cool guy and recently gave his business to his employees. We buy their products.
I use spelt instead of wheat.
Some of the gluten free products have xantham gum or guar gum which are bad for celiacs.

/legal weed in this state
//as it should be
 
2013-04-05 06:58:01 AM  
Things are happening faster. Rhode Island just deciminalized. Unfortunately, NO East/Northeast states allow direct democracy (all referendums have to be approved by the legislature), so unless they actually elect people who are willing to change the law, nothing will happen - and D.C. follows the NE, not the West. But with medical in D.C. itself and in Massachusetts, as well as decrim in Rhode Island... Things are changing.

I think one of the tipping points was legal cannabis being more popular than Obama in Colorado. All of the politicians are on notice that the tables have turned, and being against cannabis may cost them an election.

I've been waiting for this for years and years. i thought things would change with California, but they didn't, and then they voted  against legalization and I thought it might take forever. But I think it really is different now.
 
2013-04-05 07:09:08 AM  

adamatari: Things are happening faster. Rhode Island just deciminalized. Unfortunately, NO East/Northeast states allow direct democracy (all referendums have to be approved by the legislature), so unless they actually elect people who are willing to change the law, nothing will happen - and D.C. follows the NE, not the West. But with medical in D.C. itself and in Massachusetts, as well as decrim in Rhode Island... Things are changing.

I think one of the tipping points was legal cannabis being more popular than Obama in Colorado. All of the politicians are on notice that the tables have turned, and being against cannabis may cost them an election.

I've been waiting for this for years and years. i thought things would change with California, but they didn't, and then they voted  against legalization and I thought it might take forever. But I think it really is different now.


I hope you realize many pro-weed people here in California were against the legalization proposition, mainly because of the perceived impact it would have on the current model and those involved with growing the top shelf weed we have here. I actually am happy CO and WA decided to set the trend on this one and figure out the logistics, CA already set this all in motion with the medical program so don't be too mad at us for voting that prop down.

/America's views on gay people and weed have changed so much in the last 20 years, it restores my faith in humanity.
 
2013-04-05 08:31:37 AM  

TheJoe03: I hope you realize many pro-weed people here in California were against the legalization proposition, mainly because of the perceived impact it would have on the current model and those involved with growing the top shelf weed we have here. I actually am happy CO and WA decided to set the trend on this one and figure out the logistics, CA already set this all in motion with the medical program so don't be too mad at us for voting that prop down.


California is like the Greg Norman of states .... the best golfer in the world for   16 holes.
 
2013-04-05 08:38:05 AM  

king_nacho: So then what, lets say you can go to Kroger and get a pack of Camel Greens? Is society ready to deal with that?


Not sure where society you live in, but drug use is already pretty much widely practiced in my neck of the woods.    It's just wholly supplied by a black market pyramid scheme where the top of the pyramid are ruthless violent drug lords, the middle of the pyramid is street gangs battling for distribution/turf and the bottom rung of the ladder are often children who do the hand to hand transactions.   Weed was a hell of a lot easier for me to get in high school than alcohol was, because to get alcohol I had to go around a state licensed and enforced distribution system.  To get weed I just had to go to the guy the next locker over.
 
2013-04-05 08:54:28 AM  
Smoke weed everyday.
 
2013-04-05 10:07:56 AM  

InmanRoshi: king_nacho: So then what, lets say you can go to Kroger and get a pack of Camel Greens? Is society ready to deal with that?

Not sure where society you live in, but drug use is already pretty much widely practiced in my neck of the woods.    It's just wholly supplied by a black market pyramid scheme where the top of the pyramid are ruthless violent drug lords, the middle of the pyramid is street gangs battling for distribution/turf and the bottom rung of the ladder are often children who do the hand to hand transactions.   Weed was a hell of a lot easier for me to get in high school than alcohol was, because to get alcohol I had to go around a state licensed and enforced distribution system.  To get weed I just had to go to the guy the next locker over.


I live in a state that is known for production of drugs. Kentucky is the third largest producer of marijuana in the country, we are also in the top 10 for meth, 2nd in tobacco and #1 in Bourbon. There is a difference between widely practiced, and doing drugs in public? In your neck of the woods is it acceptable to light up a joint while on a smoke break in the middle of the work day?

As for ease of acquisition, alcohol and weed were both equally easy to get in high school, between parents that would buy it for kids, and the liquor stores that didn't card, it didn't particularly matter. Also, there was always somebody who's parents were growing weed for side money and supplying it.
 
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