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(LA Times)   Majority of Americans: "Legalize it"   (latimes.com) divider line 244
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2013-04-04 11:22:09 PM  

id10ts: cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store
Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

Agree with you on the corner store but imagine how expensive (TAXXXXXES) that would be.
Can't agree with you on the oxy though.  Too many zombies as it is.

/Can't smoke
//Don't smoke
///Don't condone it
////Used to.  Oh god did I used to.


If its still affordable after being smuggled thousands of miles, changing hands, with bribes and transport fees and whatnot, I'm sure it can be heavily taxed and still be affordable. Once it becomes legal, all the transport related fees will drop considerably, and more will be grown locally, dropping prices further. Uncle sam will be able to get his share, trust me: I'm an internet guy.
 
2013-04-04 11:22:09 PM  
"...if Margaret Mead, at her age, smoked grass... she'd have one hell of a trip!"
 
2013-04-04 11:23:36 PM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: Amos Quito: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."

The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.


Gee, I wonder how THEY feel about medicinal marijuana?

they are probably already testing it and getting ready to make their own strains. The whole reason it's not yet legal is because drug companies want to know their position in all of it and how they can monetize it once it does go legal.


You mean like Marinol?
 
2013-04-04 11:24:08 PM  

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


And both of these issues being illegal are stupid, I don't care how they shoved the legislation through to make gay marriage illegal, WHY DO PEOPLE GIVE A shiat WHAT SOMEONE DOES WITH THEMSELVES.
 
2013-04-04 11:28:02 PM  
As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.
 
2013-04-04 11:28:03 PM  
Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?
 
2013-04-04 11:31:21 PM  
Yeah, and if you think the feds or the pigs want to give up their cash cow, you are insane.
 
2013-04-04 11:31:24 PM  
Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".
 
2013-04-04 11:34:27 PM  

Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.


No kidding. You wanna get stoned/drunk on your own time, that's on you. If you show up for work stoned/drunk, that's a different story and your stupid ass should probably be fired. If you job sucks so bad you think you need to be stoned to handle it, well... honey, you need to find another line of work.
 
2013-04-04 11:38:57 PM  
Yes, what is it, America?
 
2013-04-04 11:44:22 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-2021/they-destroyed-themselves.htm l

Eat some more pills, pill head.


Speaking of: looks like we're getting a Sealab crossover on Archer tonight.

Jon Hamm appearing in the two-part finale as "Captain Murphy, the possibly deranged commander of an undersea laboratory." Will Jon Hamm get to say, "And there go my nipples again!" in his velvety, Jon Hamm baritone? You'll find out April 4
 
2013-04-04 11:46:33 PM  

Thunderpipes: Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".


You know that a lot of the people against Obamacare are against it because it doesn't go far enough and they want single payer, right?
 
2013-04-04 11:46:39 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.


I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome
 
2013-04-04 11:47:55 PM  

MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."


How would dealers stop the government from doing anything? Shiat man, most of them stay away from anything about the government, they ain't voting one way or another. No time for votes and town meetings when there's money to make, broseph.
 
2013-04-04 11:50:28 PM  

PawisBetlog: randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"

wow, reasonable argument is reasonable.  My head might just explode


I love it when you see someone hop on their alt and support their own retarded post.
 
2013-04-04 11:50:44 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.


Make sure you only use the middle of your pee stream to fill the cup.  The beginning and end have the most adulterants.
 
2013-04-04 11:51:24 PM  

moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome


It's even easier if you simply don't look for a job.
 
2013-04-04 11:51:28 PM  

Mister Peejay: cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store

Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

I was prescribed that stuff a long while back.  All it did was make me throw up and voluntarily watch football.

It didn't do anything for the pain resulting from having tender flesh sliced apart and then sewed back together into a kind of mangulated oozing zone of swollen despair, so I only ever took the one.


Lots of pain pills don't actually stop pain, they just fark you up enough that you don't really care.
 
2013-04-04 11:52:26 PM  

moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome


Sweet.  I am going to see if I can return the other stuff I bought, as it hasn't been used and get that instead. That is a whole lot less scary than wondering if I am going to pass using the detox stuff I bought.  I actually saw something similar in the store, but decided to go the other way.
 
2013-04-04 11:57:33 PM  

miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?


Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.
 
2013-04-04 11:58:01 PM  

Rev.K: doglover: Pot should be legal, but no one's said ANYTHING about legalizing being Canadian.

I'm watching you.


Someone may, or may not, be watching you as well. Act accordingly.
 
2013-04-05 12:02:17 AM  

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


I'm not sure if...

No, no no no I'm not biting.

Alright. Yeah. Sure. Pot ---> meth. Got it.
 
2013-04-05 12:02:24 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: The effect of parenthood may also be part of the most striking shift in opinion -- the change among members of the baby boom generation. During the 1970s, when baby boomers were in their teens and 20s, a plurality supported legalizing pot, with support hitting 47% in a 1978 survey. But as they aged, boomers changed their minds, with support for legal marijuana dropping to fewer than one in five baby boomers by 1990, when members of the generation were in their 30s and 40s. Since then, they've shifted again, and the new poll shows 50% now support legalizing the drug.

And we hear biatching from boomers about how my generation (and younger) are the "me" generation.

Also (also), from
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0404/Support-for-legal- ma rijuana-may-have-reached-tipping-point-poll-finds

In 1991, only 17 percent supported legalization, while 78 percent opposed.

Quite the shift.


I'm in that 17% then. Was a member in good standing of the high school high in 1978, in favor of legalizing. All through Reagan's War on Drugs I was in favor of legalizing. I was in favor of legalizing but gave up on ever seeing it through the 1990s and 2000s, and watched in horror as the DEA and other agencies leveraged the war on drugs to escalate paramilitary policing, no-knock warrants, and private prisons -- which by the way won't fill themselves.

Still in favor of legalizing all drugs, treat addiction like a medical issue and destroy all private prisons immediately.

But there's far far more money in the drug war status quo to make me think it ever happens. Maybe after a few more dozen judges get offed, but I doubt it.

Who makes money on the status quo:

1) DEA and other police agencies
2) Prosecutors
3) Trial lawyers getting middle class and upper class kids out of criminal drug charges
4) Prison budgets for all drug related incarcerations
5) Private prison industry
6) Various phony baloney rehab thats nothing but religion forced on prisoners with federal grants
7) The drug gangs themselves - don't forget how rich they can get being drug lords
8) The medical industry -- the best drugs on the market are almost all illegal, clearing competition for the crappy legal prescription substitutes
9) Forfeiture fans everywhere, from local cops to police auction fans to city budgets augmented by big drug/crime wealth seizures.

On and on it goes.

Short of demanding it by violence and regular protest I don't see how this happy array of criminals ever gives up its power.
 
2013-04-05 12:02:34 AM  

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


Most likely caffeine or alcohol, but you knew that.
 
2013-04-05 12:03:12 AM  

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


The Gateway Theory has been disproved for 40 years. But don't let that stop you from advocating it with anecdotal evidence.
 
2013-04-05 12:04:13 AM  

Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.


Weed being illegal isn't exactly having much effect, now is it? The only effect I see is that many people go to jail for it, often leaving their families without income and leadership. They spend time in jail learning to hate society while the family ends up on welfare and raises another generation of disenchanted youth. The legal status of marijuana is a tool to keep the poor downtrodden, nothing more.
 
2013-04-05 12:05:25 AM  
Don't criticize it.
 
2013-04-05 12:07:08 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome

Sweet.  I am going to see if I can return the other stuff I bought, as it hasn't been used and get that instead. That is a whole lot less scary than wondering if I am going to pass using the detox stuff I bought.  I actually saw something similar in the store, but decided to go the other way.


fake pee is the way to be

or something like that
 
2013-04-05 12:07:18 AM  

Mellotiger: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Weed being illegal isn't exactly having much effect, now is it? The only effect I see is that many people go to jail for it, often leaving their families without income and leadership. They spend time in jail learning to hate society while the family ends up on welfare and raises another generation of disenchanted youth. The legal status of marijuana is a tool to keep the poor downtrodden, nothing more.


And keep Trial Lawyers rich, defending those that can afford justice above this minimum standard.

// Grandfather was a trial lawyer, his clients were mostly white middle and upper middle class suburban kids whose parents didn't want lil buffy and biff to do time for pot or pills.
 
2013-04-05 12:09:14 AM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: Amos Quito: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."

The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.


Gee, I wonder how THEY feel about medicinal marijuana?

they are probably already testing it and getting ready to make their own strains. The whole reason it's not yet legal is because drug companies want to know their position in all of it and how they can monetize it once it does go legal.


All they have to do is genetically engineer the most awesome strains and patent the genome. Then use their sway in washington to impose a new ban on pot with more than a certain amount of thc, except for medical use only. Seems likely...
 
2013-04-05 12:11:05 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome

It's even easier if you simply don't look for a job.


I got a job, man

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-05 12:11:52 AM  

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


conversely, that's also how I get off meth, dumbass
 
2013-04-05 12:12:30 AM  
got off, even

sheesh

giggity?

typing...how does it work?
 
2013-04-05 12:13:09 AM  

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


This is such a massive failure of a post. The issue of the legalization of marijuana is black and white. It's either legal, or illegal. The issue of marriage between 2 consenting adults shouldn't have even been a question, but since it is.... it's very simple. People are either for it or they are against it.

The issue of healthcare is so much more complicated. Do people support Obamacare? Yes or No. Well what if you don't but you don't think it went far enough??  Many people who oppose it would have preferred a public option.

Don't compare civil rights and civil liberties with healthcare.
 
2013-04-05 12:13:15 AM  
I don't smoke the stuff, and I want it legalized. Simply to end the ridiculousness of wasting taxpayer dollars interdicting, prosecuting, and tying up our legal system with the cases. Legalize it, tax it, and then, more importantly, we can get onto using hemp and hemp related products in OTHER industrial applications. In clothing. In paper. In feed. Using the oils from the seeds. Using the damn stuff for what we were just getting to, when the paper industry and the cotton industry got fearful of competition.

That's the real reason it's illegal. Not the "narcotic" effect, not the addictiveness. It was argued at first that the stuff turned folks into kill crazy psychopaths. Then it was argued, by some of the same folks, years later, that it made people to pacific to fight our wars. The reasoning has always been economic. Fear of competition, and now, we have a prison industry that profits on folks continuing to be jailed for the stuff. It is time to end this nonsense. We cannot afford it. Plain and simple. Turn efforts to things like meth. Turn efforts to real criminals. Yes, there will continue to be home growers, there will continue to be an black market for the stuff if the tax is too high--and then it becomes the 'Revenooooers job to track them down. We can stop wasting time and effort, prison space, court time, and get on to real crimes. We can apply a crop that we used to be pretty damn good at raising--and we still do for the military since they REALLY like hemp rope--and use the stuff for something other than folks getting high. Which is the plant's real strength, as a versatile crop that right now is more valuable for its drug related uses, but if we decriminalize the stuff, we can then think about a LOT of other uses. The uses that drove the plant to being outlawed, and that WILL put the paper industry into a bit of a tizzy, considering how much they have invested in timber, but let the market sort that out.

Smoke it. Wear it. Turn it into paper. Feed for hogs and other critters, use the seeds for oils, there are a LOT of applications, and we've ignored them, and what was once a valuable cash crop for the US, because folks got scared of competition in the markets, and scared a LOT of folks with tales that just weren't based in reality, and have massaged lawmakers into backing them, and putting out some now fairly well documentedly discredited studies. It is long past time, and we've wasted enough time and money on this...
 
2013-04-05 12:17:14 AM  

tweek46420: The Angry Hand of God: moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome

Sweet.  I am going to see if I can return the other stuff I bought, as it hasn't been used and get that instead. That is a whole lot less scary than wondering if I am going to pass using the detox stuff I bought.  I actually saw something similar in the store, but decided to go the other way.

fake pee is the way to be

or something like that


Worked a place a guy tested dirty and they gave him a second chance.  Came time for his urine test, he bought a bottle of pee and taped it on the inside of his leg (I guess there was a black market for clean urine back then).  He didn't think the vial was full enough so he finished it off with his own.  Of course, he didn't pass so bye bye.
 
2013-04-05 12:21:00 AM  
Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?
 
2013-04-05 12:26:16 AM  

Generation_D: Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

The Gateway Theory has been disproved for 40 years. But don't let that stop you from advocating it with anecdotal evidence.


Just because most people don't move on, doesn't mean it isn't a gateway drug. Most people that are involved in stronger drugs probably started out smoking weed. Abuse of any drug can cause long term issues and any drug can be abused, including weed.

It will probably be legalized at some point, by that point big tobacco will get involved, and the price will go up, and they'll include additives to make it more addictive, and cause all the same health risks as traditional cigarettes.

It probably would be a good idea to legalize it, just so we can do more research on it to understand what the actual long term effects are, both positive and negative.
 
2013-04-05 12:33:25 AM  

Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?


The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.
 
2013-04-05 12:34:22 AM  
Harder, these days, to remain oblivious of the obvious (high farking price to pay for a morality play).

Still can't get a straight answer from those who continue to support War on Some Drugs, on why sacrificing innocents in the crossfire is more acceptable than allowing some junkie to nod off and die from pulmonary edema or, how that death is somehow more important to prevent than the death of some vodka chugger passing out on his/her back and aspirating on their own vomit.  Marijuana doesn't even appear on that screen.

True immorality is allowing static social values to twist static intellectual values into bizarre and expensive pretzels.

/only time Society should get involved is if the user (of any substance) interferes directly with the life or liberty of another citizen
 
2013-04-05 12:35:40 AM  

Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies
 
2013-04-05 12:41:58 AM  

king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies


Ain't nobody got time for reading all that shiat! Summarize it for us brah... It's late.

Also, I wonder how many people who later get hooked on meth smoked cigarettes before starting meth. I wonder how many people that do meth had previously drank alcohol on a regular basis.
 
2013-04-05 12:42:01 AM  

AeAe: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.


you are using reverse logic, the question isn't do all cannabis users move on to something else, it is do people that use harder drugs transition from cannabis. Just because one person doesn't move on to something else doesn't mean it isn't a gateway, it just means they didn't move on.
 
2013-04-05 12:43:37 AM  

king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies


I'm pretty sure if these studies actually do prove a correlation of cannabis use with later hard drug use it has more to do with all the lies surrounding cannabis than some magical effect of the cannabis itself.  ie If you tell kids that pot will kill them then they won't believe you when you say the same about heroin.
 
2013-04-05 12:45:06 AM  
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2013-04-05 12:45:23 AM  

king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies


They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.
 
2013-04-05 12:48:09 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: First time in 4 decades plus of polling...


I actually remember a poll from a couple of years ago where the scale had tipped in favor of legalization.

I wish someone would publish an estimate of money wasted debating marijuana and gay marriage in state and federal legislatures.

They're both going to happen eventually - and they both should happen.
 
2013-04-05 12:48:24 AM  

king_nacho: AeAe: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.

you are using reverse logic, the question isn't do all cannabis users move on to something else, it is do people that use harder drugs transition from cannabis. Just because one person doesn't move on to something else doesn't mean it isn't a gateway, it just means they didn't move on.


It's not reverse logic to ask what the incidence of meth users is among people who started smoking pot vs the incidence of of people who went straight to meth. If pot is a gateway drug why don't more people continue on to harder drugs?

Could our drug policy have something to do with the number of people on meth? Both marijuana and crystal meth are treated the same by the Drug Enforcement Agency, but we know there is a difference. Perhaps allowing people to smoke pot and using our resources to crack down harder on meth, crack, etc. we could reduce the usage of harder drugs.
 
2013-04-05 12:48:52 AM  

king_nacho: AeAe: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.

you are using reverse logic, the question isn't do all cannabis users move on to something else, it is do people that use harder drugs transition from cannabis. Just because one person doesn't move on to something else doesn't mean it isn't a gateway, it just means they didn't move on.


then how about looking further downstream?  How many hard drug users started with cigarettes and/or alcohol?  then cannabis -> meth/crack/etc?  Maybe there's a population that will move to harder and harder substances because they will do that regardless if any substance in that chain is legal or not.
 
2013-04-05 12:49:18 AM  

tylerdurden217: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

Ain't nobody got time for reading all that shiat! Summarize it for us brah... It's late.

Also, I wonder how many people who later get hooked on meth smoked cigarettes before starting meth. I wonder how many people that do meth had previously drank alcohol on a regular basis.


Summary of the first one: Of the people found to not use amphetamines by the age 24, the primary predictor was the use of cannabis by the age of 20.

Summary of the 2nd study: Rats that started out with THC in their system used 40% more heroine than rats not exposed to THC. This, and other studies have shown that THC use in connection with other drugs dampens the sensation of the second drug, causing the individual to use more.
 
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