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2013-04-04 10:26:01 PM

ShawnDoc: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

Yes, let's make a highly addictive drug, that's already the most abused prescription drug in the country, OTC.  That will turn out well.


It's not like I can go to any of the bars in my shiatty little Wisconsin village of 10,000 and buy some right f*cking now, now is it?

Christ, it's harder to buy Sudafed.
 
2013-04-04 10:26:18 PM
It would be nice to be able to just go to a store and get a reliable product. Most pot dealing around here is a sideline for their meth and the last thing you want is to let meth heads know you have money for drugs.
 
2013-04-04 10:26:41 PM

Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.


In most cases, it's employers who are beholden to government contracts which require drug-free environments and specific plans for "achieving" them.  Few are fanatically interested in your urine.
 
2013-04-04 10:27:27 PM

CruJones: I don't think I know anyone who is actually against legalization, and I've lived all around the deep south.  Some aren't really for it, but they aren't against it either.  Even some die hard baptists I know admit it's no worse than booze, and should be legal if booze is.


I've even known cops who recognize alcoholism tears families and lives apart, but weed never does. Well unless people get arrested for it, which is why said cops were lax about arresting people for it.
 
2013-04-04 10:27:44 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."

The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.



Gee, I wonder how THEY feel about medicinal marijuana?
 
2013-04-04 10:28:31 PM

cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store

Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC


Or at least don't put all the responsibility on docs when someone fools them into prescribing. As it is now we have plenty of Americans in constant pain. Took me three years of suffering to get some decent meds because I either looked too young or I didn't 'act' as if in pain, but let me say that it's easy to suffer in silence. Doctor can't tell I am bent over in pain hours a day, or frozen to a spot, Meanwhile, junkies with no conscience somehow know exactly how to manipulate physicians, whereas I somehow always look and feel a criminal.
 
2013-04-04 10:31:24 PM

thatboyoverthere: Amos Quito: Who has executive control over the DOJ and the DEA?

[www.postchronicle.com image 300x286]

All he has to do is stop the enforcement on the Federal level. The rest will fall into place.

He is no longer defending DOMA, yet he refuses to back off on marijuana.

Why?

I don't know. If he stops it the butthurt from the Republicans might just push him over the edge.


If you haven't seen the movie "Dick" it is worth watching if only for the scene when Kruschev, Kissinger and Nixon eat marijuana cookies and sing "Hello Dolly".
 
2013-04-04 10:31:28 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Legalize it, regulate it like alcohol is now, tax the ever living shiat out of it like alcohol and tobacco are now, and make a roadside test for it.


The last one is proving problematic because currently-favored tests measure stuff that doesn't impair driving ability and can remain in your system weeks after the stuff that does is gone.
 
2013-04-04 10:33:10 PM
I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"
 
2013-04-04 10:34:05 PM
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37 years ahead of his time...
 
2013-04-04 10:34:43 PM

MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.


That. Every pot smoker I know wants it legalized. Pot dealers, not one bit. They make good profits with it being illegal, especially on the really good weed shipped in from California and the fact that dealers in my area don't sell regi like they used too -- it's all kine or mids if you're lucky. Don't get me wrong, I like the kill, but I can't afford those prices.

I just hate it that cheap, regular weed is hard to come by now. Ever since all the "medicinal" weed laws started coming into effect I've found it harder and harder to get regular weed. Those laws also somewhat correlate to the laws making it harder for tweakers to buy their pills. Me thinks the Mexicans are shipping more meth than weed and most US weed comes from Canada\California\Grower Friendly states.

You know it's all farked up when good meth is cheaper and easier to get than regular weed. I really miss 10 years ago when the regular weed was just as abundant as the killer. Now it's killer or bust, and that just sucks.

//down to my last bowl :(
 
2013-04-04 10:34:56 PM
The majority of Americans then went on to add: "NASCAR" "FREE CHEESE"
 
2013-04-04 10:35:16 PM

Nadie_AZ: That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time."


They use it as leverage. Want to get rid of an employee or groups of employees and not pay them unemployment or any compensation? Drug test them first, if they used anything, it's a free firing!

Got someone you don't like for some reason yet they haven't done any actionable offense? Make them pee in a bottle, maybe you'll get lucky!
 
2013-04-04 10:38:07 PM
Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.
 
2013-04-04 10:40:12 PM
Of course, because American's can afford to lose a few points of IQ
 
2013-04-04 10:40:45 PM

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


Consider the Following:

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2013-04-04 10:41:27 PM

Philbb: basemetal: Yeah, maybe the majority when you count the big cities, but when you get to individual states, bible belt states, better think again.

"Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative. "


You underestimate the power of the churches in the bible belt to demonize something, drive that thought home to their members, organize and influence voters and legislators.  Hell, all they have to do around here is say Obama was for it.
 
2013-04-04 10:41:38 PM

Wolfling: Of course, because American's can afford to lose a few points of IQ


*snerk*
 
2013-04-04 10:41:57 PM
They need to repackage it somehow like "Private Consumption equality" and it might go.  *rolls eyes*
 
2013-04-04 10:42:14 PM

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


you're higher than balls right now, aren't you?
 
2013-04-04 10:43:25 PM

Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.


Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?
 
2013-04-04 10:44:01 PM

Wolfling: Of course, because American's can afford to lose a few points of IQ


Will hardly be noticed with all the fluoride they're chugging. "Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain,".
 
2013-04-04 10:44:53 PM

Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.


um...you're just trolling right?  I mean nobody actually believes that bullshiat anymore....
 
2013-04-04 10:45:10 PM
 
2013-04-04 10:46:06 PM

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


wow, reasonable argument is reasonable.  My head might just explode
 
2013-04-04 10:46:12 PM
Has smoking too much pot ever led to someone shoving their foot up another's ass, killing them? I think not.
 
2013-04-04 10:46:31 PM

nvmac: I don't care.  I'm not going to use it anyway, but I've voted for it everytime it shows up on a ballot.

Convincing the alcohol and pharma lobbies to play along is the biggest hindrance.

/it's always all about money


Wouldn't the pharma lobby be in favor of it?  I mean they could make billions if they didn't have to worry about federal laws shutting them down.  I mean drug dealers are one thing, and mom and pop operations are another, but if the consistency and reliability pharmaceutical products would be beyond belief.  That would instantly put drug dealers out of business.
 
2013-04-04 10:46:31 PM
legalize it already and i dont even smoke.
 
2013-04-04 10:46:40 PM

MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."


Unfortunately you are absolutely right. Pretty much the only funding on the no side in the Washington campaign was from the biggest medical mmj dispensary owner in the state. The hypocrisy from that douchebag was utterly sickening.
 
2013-04-04 10:54:01 PM
The pursuit of happiness should include legal access to drugs. Let's see the gun crazies give equal weight to all of the amendments.
 
2013-04-04 10:55:16 PM
meh

pardon me if I fail to care about stoners
 
2013-04-04 10:56:47 PM
Riiight. The 'majority of Americans' don't stand to lose power, control, and massive enforcement revenues, either. Of course they might not have a problem with legalization.

Good luck trying to get the feds to release that power and control.
 
2013-04-04 10:59:12 PM
"I just hate it that cheap, regular weed is hard to come by now. Ever since all the "medicinal" weed laws started coming into effect I've found it harder and harder to get regular weed"

What the hell is 'regular' weed? I see two kinds - indoor medical grade ass kicker and Mexican ditch weed outdoor that wouldn't get you high if you ate a bale of it. Anyway, here's a pro tip - get the good shiat and a bag of leaf and trim for basically nothing. Grind it up into two piles and roll yourself a bunch of mid grade joints. Problem solved and money saved. Not that this is exactly what I do.
 
2013-04-04 11:00:29 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The last one is proving problematic because currently-favored tests measure stuff that doesn't impair driving ability and can remain in your system weeks after the stuff that does is gone.


Agreed.  Which is why I mention it.  Roadside testing for recent use, and "drug testing" are two different things.   There are portable pupillometer tests (like a breathalyther) for rebound pupil dilation.   While the test doesn't prove anything by itself, it is a good indication that you are currently goofed up on something (maybe not pot), and could merit further testing.  In addition to basic roadside tests that are used today for alcohol impairment, such as following the penlight with your eyes for a few minutes, counting backward from 100. In general though,if you actually are too intoxicated to drive safely it will be obvious to any officer who has been on the force longer than a week.
 
2013-04-04 11:00:43 PM

JohnBigBootay: "I just hate it that cheap, regular weed is hard to come by now. Ever since all the "medicinal" weed laws started coming into effect I've found it harder and harder to get regular weed"

What the hell is 'regular' weed? I see two kinds - indoor medical grade ass kicker and Mexican ditch weed outdoor that wouldn't get you high if you ate a bale of it. Anyway, here's a pro tip - get the good shiat and a bag of leaf and trim for basically nothing. Grind it up into two piles and roll yourself a bunch of mid grade joints. Problem solved and money saved. Not that this is exactly what I do.


Alternately, you can just use less weed.  Ever try vaping it?
 
2013-04-04 11:02:13 PM

MaliFinn: meh

pardon me if I fail to care about stoners


so you're saying you don't oppose legalization of cannabis then?  cool!  thanks man!
 
2013-04-04 11:02:17 PM

PawisBetlog: randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"

wow, reasonable argument is reasonable.  My head might just explode


Which ballot did "Obamacare" get voted down on? I don't think RJSA's argument is that reasonable. If you all really want to prove a point, put single-payer 'socialist healthcare' to a national vote. If it's so horrible and inefficient it will not get a majority and you can all do a happy dance that 40 million Americans continue to go without healthcare every year.
 
2013-04-04 11:03:25 PM

Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.


It's because they can get a lower insurance rate by making you take the test and being a 'drug free workplace'
 
2013-04-04 11:04:02 PM

GAT_00: tallguywithglasseson: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-2021/they-destroyed-themselves.htm l

Eat some more pills, pill head.

At least we know his drug of choice now.  And why he's sounding more and more like Limbaugh every day - he's getting just as backed up as he is.


Aren't you against legalization?  What's your opinion on this?
 
2013-04-04 11:04:06 PM
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As the ghost of Marley would have said...lighten up mon...it's Christmas...er...something like that, you know what I mean mon
/ may every tree have a purpose
 
2013-04-04 11:05:14 PM
Hey little kiddies! We're going to make marijuana illegal. Because it's so dangerous! It could hurt you! It could ruin your life!!! As if arresting you and jailing you for marijuana possession won't ruin your life.
 
2013-04-04 11:06:51 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Weed and Hookers should be legal.

End of story.


I like you.
 
2013-04-04 11:07:15 PM

CruJones: I don't think I know anyone who is actually against legalization, and I've lived all around the deep south.  Some aren't really for it, but they aren't against it either.  Even some die hard baptists I know admit it's no worse than booze, and should be legal if booze is.


There is the contingent of parents who had a child turn into a loser stoner.
However without pot he/she could very well have been destined to be a loser anyway and at least he didn't turn into a mean drunk loser.

I sometimes fear with the structural changes in the world economy there is a growing segment of people who will never be able to get a decent job and some powers that be are behind legalization as a means to pacify them to docilely accept their station in life.
 
2013-04-04 11:07:59 PM
Fark the man.

He can play his games, we can play ours.
Just as long as our paths never cross everything will be ok.

Good luck taking the single largest boot on the neck of the populace off of our collective throat. You guys might want to freshen up on what it is that governments do. (hint: it's not 'passing out freedoms and correcting wrongs wherever a systematic injustice can be found')

Money, power, control, every column that matters on the page is checked when it comes to propagating our war on drugs. Your opinions and your alleged freedoms do not matter one iota. There are enough gerrymandered retards in this nation to keep up the oppression for at least the next couple decades.

If you want justice and an end to the war than what you should care about isn't public opinion on drug laws. What needs to happen is this nation needs a serious education and cross-examination of the entire police-state culture.
Our problem isn't old drug laws, it's boot-lickers that can read articles about innocent people and pets being shot, about children spending a life in prison and look the other way pretending they didn't see anything. Or convincing themselves the government is alll that is good and holy and whomever it goes after must be bad.

You need a revolutionary movement away from our carefully cultivated nationalism and bring people back towards an educated patriotism. You need people interested in liberty in freedom for the concepts they are, and not as rallying words in a speech. You need people to remember an injustice to one citizen is an injustice against all of us.

When the national debate revolves around the profits and lobbying in the prison-industrial complex and pharmaceutical industries...
when the debate doesn't even need to include discussion of the drugs themselves,
when people care more about actual justice and cost to society vs technicalities, platitudes and talking points, THEN you might have hope of real change. Everything else is just lip service and a distraction.
 
2013-04-04 11:08:35 PM
I was in and out of psychiatric hospitals and therapist offices throughout my life, at least until I discovered marijuana.

Weed has given me the peace of mind and calm to stop trying to eat a bullet every time certain chemicals in my brain drop to low levels. It has done wonders for my mental well-being in ways that numerous expensive medications over my lifetime never even came close to achieving.

So legal, illegal, who the fark cares. I'm still going to light up every night after work until the day I die. I'd rather be reliant on weed to get through the day than whatever pill is the new flavor of the month.

/smoke weed erryday
 
2013-04-04 11:11:14 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Weed and Hookers should be legal.

End of story.


Bingo! Something is really wrong when the Government who is suppose to serve the people instead make damn sure the people don't have what they want. Most people also like peace but WashDC is so fond of War. As long as we continue to allow the rich powerful people to treat America like their personal profit center where they serve no time for their crimes none of this will change.
 
2013-04-04 11:12:28 PM

skeevy420: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

That. Every pot smoker I know wants it legalized. Pot dealers, not one bit. They make good profits with it being illegal, especially on the really good weed shipped in from California and the fact that dealers in my area don't sell regi like they used too -- it's all kine or mids if you're lucky. Don't get me wrong, I like the kill, but I can't afford those prices.

I just hate it that cheap, regular weed is hard to come by now. Ever since all the "medicinal" weed laws started coming into effect I've found it harder and harder to get regular weed. Those laws also somewhat correlate to the laws making it harder for tweakers to buy their pills. Me thinks the Mexicans are shipping more meth than weed and most US weed comes from Canada\California\Grower Friendly states.

You know it's all farked up when good meth is cheaper and easier to get than regular weed. I really miss 10 years ago when the regular weed was just as abundant as the killer. Now it's killer or bust, and that just sucks.

//down to my last bowl :(


Dude...you're going to hate me...

Around here that "regular" shiat is what the homeless smoke. They get it from the dumpsters behind the dispensaries. Your state needs to get out of the Dark Ages.
 
2013-04-04 11:13:43 PM
I'm just worried that once its legal everywhere I will have to listen to everybody talk about it instead of just ignoring a few stoners talking about.  Kinda like what happened to facebook...your Aunt will be telling you about some decent bud or some crap.  Also the country is fat enough already, it does not need a nationwide case of the munchies.

Other than that...
blogs.sfweekly.com
 
2013-04-04 11:18:51 PM

Amos Quito: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."

The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.


Gee, I wonder how THEY feel about medicinal marijuana?


they are probably already testing it and getting ready to make their own strains. The whole reason it's not yet legal is because drug companies want to know their position in all of it and how they can monetize it once it does go legal.
 
2013-04-04 11:20:59 PM
Since when has what the majority wants ever mattered in US politics?

I wish I was being sarcastic.
 
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