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2013-04-04 04:13:47 PM
First time in 4 decades plus of polling...

Also

By an overwhelming margin, 72% to 23%, respondents said the federal government's efforts against marijuana "cost more than they are worth."
Similarly, by nearly 2-to-1, respondents said the federal government should not enforce its anti-marijuana laws in states that allow use of the drug.


Wonder who the foot draggers will be...

The poll suggests a shift in federal law may be slow. A notable political split exists on the issue, with conservative Republicans heavily against legalization, while majorities of Democrats, independents and liberal and moderate Republicans back it. Conservatives have strong sway among Republicans in the House.

This was somewhat surprising:

Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative.
 
2013-04-04 04:15:27 PM
Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."
 
2013-04-04 04:37:22 PM

Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."


But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?
 
2013-04-04 04:39:55 PM
I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store

Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC
 
2013-04-04 04:51:26 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?


That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.
 
2013-04-04 05:01:22 PM

cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store
Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC


Agree with you on the corner store but imagine how expensive (TAXXXXXES) that would be.
Can't agree with you on the oxy though.  Too many zombies as it is.

/Can't smoke
//Don't smoke
///Don't condone it
////Used to.  Oh god did I used to.
 
2013-04-04 05:16:26 PM

cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC


http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-2021/they-destroyed-themselves.htm l

Eat some more pills, pill head.
 
2013-04-04 05:39:04 PM

tallguywithglasseson: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-2021/they-destroyed-themselves.htm l

Eat some more pills, pill head.


At least we know his drug of choice now.  And why he's sounding more and more like Limbaugh every day - he's getting just as backed up as he is.
 
2013-04-04 05:41:12 PM
img844.imageshack.us

The first decree is to legalize marijuana.
The tyranny and the bullshiat's gone on too long.
You old farkin' shrivs who blocked it's legalization,
you're banished from the land!
 
2013-04-04 05:48:04 PM
When I hire people, they have to test positive for cocaine or meth.
 
2013-04-04 05:52:18 PM

impaler: When I hire people, they have to test positive for cocaine or meth.


Lots of random things need organizing?
 
2013-04-04 05:53:49 PM

Nadie_AZ: Lots of random things need organizing?


But only part way.
 
2013-04-04 05:53:52 PM

Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.


I once got a job with a very large, well known tech company. The best gig I ever had, and they didn't test.

/it occurred to me later that at that particular company, smoking pot was kind of expected
 
2013-04-04 06:12:08 PM

impaler: When I hire people, they have to test positive for cocaine or meth.


Yeah, I used to be in hospitality management, too.
 
2013-04-04 06:36:32 PM
The effect of parenthood may also be part of the most striking shift in opinion -- the change among members of the baby boom generation. During the 1970s, when baby boomers were in their teens and 20s, a plurality supported legalizing pot, with support hitting 47% in a 1978 survey. But as they aged, boomers changed their minds, with support for legal marijuana dropping to fewer than one in five baby boomers by 1990, when members of the generation were in their 30s and 40s. Since then, they've shifted again, and the new poll shows 50% now support legalizing the drug.

And we hear biatching from boomers about how my generation (and younger) are the "me" generation.

Also (also), from
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0404/Support-for-legal- ma rijuana-may-have-reached-tipping-point-poll-finds

In 1991, only 17 percent supported legalization, while 78 percent opposed.

Quite the shift.
 
2013-04-04 06:50:27 PM

cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC


Yes, let's make a highly addictive drug, that's already the most abused prescription drug in the country, OTC.  That will turn out well.
 
2013-04-04 06:50:55 PM
I don't care.  I'm not going to use it anyway, but I've voted for it everytime it shows up on a ballot.

Convincing the alcohol and pharma lobbies to play along is the biggest hindrance.

/it's always all about money
 
2013-04-04 07:52:37 PM
I've been smoking weed since I was 15 and and I'm well in my 40s now. I'm pretty cool with the way things are except I guess I wouldn't mind trying my hand at growing my own without worry of arrest. Probably cheaper this way without all the tax issues.
 
2013-04-04 08:05:47 PM
Weed and Hookers should be legal.

End of story.
 
2013-04-04 08:11:57 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.

I once got a job with a very large, well known tech company. The best gig I ever had, and they didn't test.

/it occurred to me later that at that particular company, smoking pot was kind of expected


Try working in game dev.

If they tested everyone here, there wouldn't be anyone left to turn off the lights and lock the door.
 
2013-04-04 08:15:33 PM
≈90% of Americans support universal background checks for firearms purchases, yet it looks like it has no chance in Congress.  Marijuana legalization is up against the exact same kind of challenge.  There are just enough entities holding purse strings to keep any bill that would de-criminalize cannabis out there that it wouldn't ever make it to a vote.

Gay marriage has only cultural opposition.  It will be legal.  Weed has financial opposition.  It won't.
 
2013-04-04 08:27:07 PM
I would support legalization.
 
2013-04-04 08:27:44 PM
Get Marc Emery the f*ck out of the American jail he should never have gone to in the first place.
 
2013-04-04 08:36:44 PM

Rev.K: Get Marc Emery the f*ck out of the American jail he should never have gone to in the first place.


Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

Pot should be legal, but no one's said ANYTHING about legalizing being Canadian.
 
2013-04-04 08:45:35 PM
Two states have legalized cannabis but only because there was a direct public vote on the issue.
 
2013-04-04 08:53:51 PM
Most Americans no longer see marijuana as a "gateway" to more dangerous drugs, and most no longer see its use as immoral. As recently as 2006, half of respondents said in a Pew survey that marijuana use was "morally wrong." Now, only one-third do, while half say that marijuana usage is "not a moral issue."

that suggests NORML's outreach and education efforts are really starting to pay off.  hard facts and scientific evidence beat government propaganda every time...
 
2013-04-04 09:12:32 PM
Yeah, maybe the majority when you count the big cities, but when you get to individual states, bible belt states, better think again.
 
2013-04-04 09:22:28 PM

basemetal: Yeah, maybe the majority when you count the big cities, but when you get to individual states, bible belt states, better think again.


if we change the federal laws and leave the decision up to the states, i'm sure the situation will resolve itself rather quickly.
 
2013-04-04 09:34:03 PM

Weaver95: Most Americans no longer see marijuana as a "gateway" to more dangerous drugs, and most no longer see its use as immoral. As recently as 2006, half of respondents said in a Pew survey that marijuana use was "morally wrong." Now, only one-third do, while half say that marijuana usage is "not a moral issue."

that suggests NORML's outreach and education efforts are really starting to pay off.  hard facts and scientific evidence beat government propaganda every time...


That, or people just wanna get high and this time instead of letting crusty old congressmen vote they asked the people themselves.
 
2013-04-04 09:53:07 PM

basemetal: Yeah, maybe the majority when you count the big cities, but when you get to individual states, bible belt states, better think again.


"Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative. "
 
2013-04-04 09:58:41 PM
I was watching the original 1950's Dragnet on Netflix, where they had a story about a "Teens Going Bad" in a neighborhood.  One scene had a brawl in a movie theater with an usher getting severely beaten and a child being pushed through glass and potentially blinded for life.

The cause: Marijuana.

Yes. A right due to weed.  For decades people believed this because that's what the man wanted you to believe...
 
2013-04-04 10:05:18 PM

doglover: Pot should be legal, but no one's said ANYTHING about legalizing being Canadian.


I'm watching you.
 
2013-04-04 10:06:24 PM
Obvious tag is too baked to show up for work... again!  :D
 
2013-04-04 10:09:09 PM
'bout damn time. I like getting young white girls hooked on the reefers and then peddling their asses to dark-skinned jazz musicians.

brucealanblock.com
 
2013-04-04 10:10:48 PM
How appropriate. This thread is directly above one call 'The face of meth'.

Not sure if it's a genuine coincidence or the mods have been umm smoking something...
 
2013-04-04 10:11:44 PM
Legalize it, regulate it like alcohol is now, tax the ever living shiat out of it like alcohol and tobacco are now, and make a roadside test for it.
 
2013-04-04 10:13:05 PM
The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."
 
2013-04-04 10:15:52 PM
Who has executive control over the DOJ and the DEA?

www.postchronicle.com

All he has to do is stop the enforcement on the Federal level. The rest will fall into place.

He is no longer defending DOMA, yet he refuses to back off on marijuana.

Why?
 
2013-04-04 10:17:13 PM
Honestly, I'd have thought an agriculture state would be the first to give a giant middle finger to the government. Pot grows everywhere and costs almost nothing to keep alive. For the price, farmers would adore planting it.
 
2013-04-04 10:17:19 PM

tallguywithglasseson: A notable political split exists on the issue, with conservative Republicans heavily against legalization,


I never understood this. You'd think that federal drug reform would be a conservative's wet dream: small government, state's rights, decr... wait, what's that? Conservative Republicans aren't actually conservative?

Oh. Now I get it.
 
2013-04-04 10:17:45 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I once got a job with a very large, well known tech company. The best gig I ever had, and they didn't test.

/it occurred to me later that at that particular company, smoking pot was kind of expected


IBM?
 
2013-04-04 10:20:32 PM

Paka Ono: Obvious tag is too baked to show up for work... again!  :D


Back when I worked retail, getting high was the only way I could stand to be at work.
 
2013-04-04 10:21:25 PM

Amos Quito: Who has executive control over the DOJ and the DEA?

[www.postchronicle.com image 300x286]

All he has to do is stop the enforcement on the Federal level. The rest will fall into place.

He is no longer defending DOMA, yet he refuses to back off on marijuana.

Why?


I don't know. If he stops it the butthurt from the Republicans might just push him over the edge.
 
2013-04-04 10:22:15 PM

MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."


The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.
 
2013-04-04 10:22:24 PM
I don't think I know anyone who is actually against legalization, and I've lived all around the deep south.  Some aren't really for it, but they aren't against it either.  Even some die hard baptists I know admit it's no worse than booze, and should be legal if booze is.
 
2013-04-04 10:22:51 PM

thatboyoverthere: If he stops it the butthurt from the Republicans might just push him over the edge.


Just stick em in a box and get 'em high.
 
2013-04-04 10:23:07 PM
As far back as 1990, the insurance company I did IT work for got a bunch of new managers (out with the men, in with women managers for some stupid reason).  One of the new managers angrily demanded that they drug test all the employees.  One of her superiors said "No, we don't want to have to fire half our staff" (I was there for the conversation).  And that was the end of it.

I've worked for a number of companies since then that say they drug test, but never tested me.

Of course, been almost 10 years since I last touched the stuff.

God I miss it.
 
2013-04-04 10:24:28 PM

cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store

Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC


I was prescribed that stuff a long while back.  All it did was make me throw up and voluntarily watch football.

It didn't do anything for the pain resulting from having tender flesh sliced apart and then sewed back together into a kind of mangulated oozing zone of swollen despair, so I only ever took the one.
 
2013-04-04 10:24:59 PM
As someone retiring from the Air National Guard this year, I am all for it ;)

I'd be very okay with the DEA focusing their efforts on meth. Evil, evil shiat and enough out there to keep them in business.
 
2013-04-04 10:25:16 PM

s2s2s2: thatboyoverthere: If he stops it the butthurt from the Republicans might just push him over the edge.

Just stick em in a box and get 'em high.


I've even found the perfect tool for the job!
Red, and NSFW!
 
2013-04-04 10:26:01 PM

ShawnDoc: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

Yes, let's make a highly addictive drug, that's already the most abused prescription drug in the country, OTC.  That will turn out well.


It's not like I can go to any of the bars in my shiatty little Wisconsin village of 10,000 and buy some right f*cking now, now is it?

Christ, it's harder to buy Sudafed.
 
2013-04-04 10:26:18 PM
It would be nice to be able to just go to a store and get a reliable product. Most pot dealing around here is a sideline for their meth and the last thing you want is to let meth heads know you have money for drugs.
 
2013-04-04 10:26:41 PM

Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.


In most cases, it's employers who are beholden to government contracts which require drug-free environments and specific plans for "achieving" them.  Few are fanatically interested in your urine.
 
2013-04-04 10:27:27 PM

CruJones: I don't think I know anyone who is actually against legalization, and I've lived all around the deep south.  Some aren't really for it, but they aren't against it either.  Even some die hard baptists I know admit it's no worse than booze, and should be legal if booze is.


I've even known cops who recognize alcoholism tears families and lives apart, but weed never does. Well unless people get arrested for it, which is why said cops were lax about arresting people for it.
 
2013-04-04 10:27:44 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."

The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.



Gee, I wonder how THEY feel about medicinal marijuana?
 
2013-04-04 10:28:31 PM

cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store

Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC


Or at least don't put all the responsibility on docs when someone fools them into prescribing. As it is now we have plenty of Americans in constant pain. Took me three years of suffering to get some decent meds because I either looked too young or I didn't 'act' as if in pain, but let me say that it's easy to suffer in silence. Doctor can't tell I am bent over in pain hours a day, or frozen to a spot, Meanwhile, junkies with no conscience somehow know exactly how to manipulate physicians, whereas I somehow always look and feel a criminal.
 
2013-04-04 10:31:24 PM

thatboyoverthere: Amos Quito: Who has executive control over the DOJ and the DEA?

[www.postchronicle.com image 300x286]

All he has to do is stop the enforcement on the Federal level. The rest will fall into place.

He is no longer defending DOMA, yet he refuses to back off on marijuana.

Why?

I don't know. If he stops it the butthurt from the Republicans might just push him over the edge.


If you haven't seen the movie "Dick" it is worth watching if only for the scene when Kruschev, Kissinger and Nixon eat marijuana cookies and sing "Hello Dolly".
 
2013-04-04 10:31:28 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Legalize it, regulate it like alcohol is now, tax the ever living shiat out of it like alcohol and tobacco are now, and make a roadside test for it.


The last one is proving problematic because currently-favored tests measure stuff that doesn't impair driving ability and can remain in your system weeks after the stuff that does is gone.
 
2013-04-04 10:33:10 PM
I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"
 
2013-04-04 10:34:05 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

37 years ahead of his time...
 
2013-04-04 10:34:43 PM

MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.


That. Every pot smoker I know wants it legalized. Pot dealers, not one bit. They make good profits with it being illegal, especially on the really good weed shipped in from California and the fact that dealers in my area don't sell regi like they used too -- it's all kine or mids if you're lucky. Don't get me wrong, I like the kill, but I can't afford those prices.

I just hate it that cheap, regular weed is hard to come by now. Ever since all the "medicinal" weed laws started coming into effect I've found it harder and harder to get regular weed. Those laws also somewhat correlate to the laws making it harder for tweakers to buy their pills. Me thinks the Mexicans are shipping more meth than weed and most US weed comes from Canada\California\Grower Friendly states.

You know it's all farked up when good meth is cheaper and easier to get than regular weed. I really miss 10 years ago when the regular weed was just as abundant as the killer. Now it's killer or bust, and that just sucks.

//down to my last bowl :(
 
2013-04-04 10:34:56 PM
The majority of Americans then went on to add: "NASCAR" "FREE CHEESE"
 
2013-04-04 10:35:16 PM

Nadie_AZ: That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time."


They use it as leverage. Want to get rid of an employee or groups of employees and not pay them unemployment or any compensation? Drug test them first, if they used anything, it's a free firing!

Got someone you don't like for some reason yet they haven't done any actionable offense? Make them pee in a bottle, maybe you'll get lucky!
 
2013-04-04 10:38:07 PM
Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.
 
2013-04-04 10:40:12 PM
Of course, because American's can afford to lose a few points of IQ
 
2013-04-04 10:40:45 PM

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


Consider the Following:

imageshack.us
 
2013-04-04 10:41:27 PM

Philbb: basemetal: Yeah, maybe the majority when you count the big cities, but when you get to individual states, bible belt states, better think again.

"Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative. "


You underestimate the power of the churches in the bible belt to demonize something, drive that thought home to their members, organize and influence voters and legislators.  Hell, all they have to do around here is say Obama was for it.
 
2013-04-04 10:41:38 PM

Wolfling: Of course, because American's can afford to lose a few points of IQ


*snerk*
 
2013-04-04 10:41:57 PM
They need to repackage it somehow like "Private Consumption equality" and it might go.  *rolls eyes*
 
2013-04-04 10:42:14 PM

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


you're higher than balls right now, aren't you?
 
2013-04-04 10:43:25 PM

Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.


Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?
 
2013-04-04 10:44:01 PM

Wolfling: Of course, because American's can afford to lose a few points of IQ


Will hardly be noticed with all the fluoride they're chugging. "Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain,".
 
2013-04-04 10:44:53 PM

Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.


um...you're just trolling right?  I mean nobody actually believes that bullshiat anymore....
 
2013-04-04 10:45:10 PM
 
2013-04-04 10:46:06 PM

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


wow, reasonable argument is reasonable.  My head might just explode
 
2013-04-04 10:46:12 PM
Has smoking too much pot ever led to someone shoving their foot up another's ass, killing them? I think not.
 
2013-04-04 10:46:31 PM

nvmac: I don't care.  I'm not going to use it anyway, but I've voted for it everytime it shows up on a ballot.

Convincing the alcohol and pharma lobbies to play along is the biggest hindrance.

/it's always all about money


Wouldn't the pharma lobby be in favor of it?  I mean they could make billions if they didn't have to worry about federal laws shutting them down.  I mean drug dealers are one thing, and mom and pop operations are another, but if the consistency and reliability pharmaceutical products would be beyond belief.  That would instantly put drug dealers out of business.
 
2013-04-04 10:46:31 PM
legalize it already and i dont even smoke.
 
2013-04-04 10:46:40 PM

MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."


Unfortunately you are absolutely right. Pretty much the only funding on the no side in the Washington campaign was from the biggest medical mmj dispensary owner in the state. The hypocrisy from that douchebag was utterly sickening.
 
2013-04-04 10:54:01 PM
The pursuit of happiness should include legal access to drugs. Let's see the gun crazies give equal weight to all of the amendments.
 
2013-04-04 10:55:16 PM
meh

pardon me if I fail to care about stoners
 
2013-04-04 10:56:47 PM
Riiight. The 'majority of Americans' don't stand to lose power, control, and massive enforcement revenues, either. Of course they might not have a problem with legalization.

Good luck trying to get the feds to release that power and control.
 
2013-04-04 10:59:12 PM
"I just hate it that cheap, regular weed is hard to come by now. Ever since all the "medicinal" weed laws started coming into effect I've found it harder and harder to get regular weed"

What the hell is 'regular' weed? I see two kinds - indoor medical grade ass kicker and Mexican ditch weed outdoor that wouldn't get you high if you ate a bale of it. Anyway, here's a pro tip - get the good shiat and a bag of leaf and trim for basically nothing. Grind it up into two piles and roll yourself a bunch of mid grade joints. Problem solved and money saved. Not that this is exactly what I do.
 
2013-04-04 11:00:29 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The last one is proving problematic because currently-favored tests measure stuff that doesn't impair driving ability and can remain in your system weeks after the stuff that does is gone.


Agreed.  Which is why I mention it.  Roadside testing for recent use, and "drug testing" are two different things.   There are portable pupillometer tests (like a breathalyther) for rebound pupil dilation.   While the test doesn't prove anything by itself, it is a good indication that you are currently goofed up on something (maybe not pot), and could merit further testing.  In addition to basic roadside tests that are used today for alcohol impairment, such as following the penlight with your eyes for a few minutes, counting backward from 100. In general though,if you actually are too intoxicated to drive safely it will be obvious to any officer who has been on the force longer than a week.
 
2013-04-04 11:00:43 PM

JohnBigBootay: "I just hate it that cheap, regular weed is hard to come by now. Ever since all the "medicinal" weed laws started coming into effect I've found it harder and harder to get regular weed"

What the hell is 'regular' weed? I see two kinds - indoor medical grade ass kicker and Mexican ditch weed outdoor that wouldn't get you high if you ate a bale of it. Anyway, here's a pro tip - get the good shiat and a bag of leaf and trim for basically nothing. Grind it up into two piles and roll yourself a bunch of mid grade joints. Problem solved and money saved. Not that this is exactly what I do.


Alternately, you can just use less weed.  Ever try vaping it?
 
2013-04-04 11:02:13 PM

MaliFinn: meh

pardon me if I fail to care about stoners


so you're saying you don't oppose legalization of cannabis then?  cool!  thanks man!
 
2013-04-04 11:02:17 PM

PawisBetlog: randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"

wow, reasonable argument is reasonable.  My head might just explode


Which ballot did "Obamacare" get voted down on? I don't think RJSA's argument is that reasonable. If you all really want to prove a point, put single-payer 'socialist healthcare' to a national vote. If it's so horrible and inefficient it will not get a majority and you can all do a happy dance that 40 million Americans continue to go without healthcare every year.
 
2013-04-04 11:03:25 PM

Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.


It's because they can get a lower insurance rate by making you take the test and being a 'drug free workplace'
 
2013-04-04 11:04:02 PM

GAT_00: tallguywithglasseson: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-2021/they-destroyed-themselves.htm l

Eat some more pills, pill head.

At least we know his drug of choice now.  And why he's sounding more and more like Limbaugh every day - he's getting just as backed up as he is.


Aren't you against legalization?  What's your opinion on this?
 
2013-04-04 11:04:06 PM
cbswxrt2.files.wordpress.com
As the ghost of Marley would have said...lighten up mon...it's Christmas...er...something like that, you know what I mean mon
/ may every tree have a purpose
 
2013-04-04 11:05:14 PM
Hey little kiddies! We're going to make marijuana illegal. Because it's so dangerous! It could hurt you! It could ruin your life!!! As if arresting you and jailing you for marijuana possession won't ruin your life.
 
2013-04-04 11:06:51 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Weed and Hookers should be legal.

End of story.


I like you.
 
2013-04-04 11:07:15 PM

CruJones: I don't think I know anyone who is actually against legalization, and I've lived all around the deep south.  Some aren't really for it, but they aren't against it either.  Even some die hard baptists I know admit it's no worse than booze, and should be legal if booze is.


There is the contingent of parents who had a child turn into a loser stoner.
However without pot he/she could very well have been destined to be a loser anyway and at least he didn't turn into a mean drunk loser.

I sometimes fear with the structural changes in the world economy there is a growing segment of people who will never be able to get a decent job and some powers that be are behind legalization as a means to pacify them to docilely accept their station in life.
 
2013-04-04 11:07:59 PM
Fark the man.

He can play his games, we can play ours.
Just as long as our paths never cross everything will be ok.

Good luck taking the single largest boot on the neck of the populace off of our collective throat. You guys might want to freshen up on what it is that governments do. (hint: it's not 'passing out freedoms and correcting wrongs wherever a systematic injustice can be found')

Money, power, control, every column that matters on the page is checked when it comes to propagating our war on drugs. Your opinions and your alleged freedoms do not matter one iota. There are enough gerrymandered retards in this nation to keep up the oppression for at least the next couple decades.

If you want justice and an end to the war than what you should care about isn't public opinion on drug laws. What needs to happen is this nation needs a serious education and cross-examination of the entire police-state culture.
Our problem isn't old drug laws, it's boot-lickers that can read articles about innocent people and pets being shot, about children spending a life in prison and look the other way pretending they didn't see anything. Or convincing themselves the government is alll that is good and holy and whomever it goes after must be bad.

You need a revolutionary movement away from our carefully cultivated nationalism and bring people back towards an educated patriotism. You need people interested in liberty in freedom for the concepts they are, and not as rallying words in a speech. You need people to remember an injustice to one citizen is an injustice against all of us.

When the national debate revolves around the profits and lobbying in the prison-industrial complex and pharmaceutical industries...
when the debate doesn't even need to include discussion of the drugs themselves,
when people care more about actual justice and cost to society vs technicalities, platitudes and talking points, THEN you might have hope of real change. Everything else is just lip service and a distraction.
 
2013-04-04 11:08:35 PM
I was in and out of psychiatric hospitals and therapist offices throughout my life, at least until I discovered marijuana.

Weed has given me the peace of mind and calm to stop trying to eat a bullet every time certain chemicals in my brain drop to low levels. It has done wonders for my mental well-being in ways that numerous expensive medications over my lifetime never even came close to achieving.

So legal, illegal, who the fark cares. I'm still going to light up every night after work until the day I die. I'd rather be reliant on weed to get through the day than whatever pill is the new flavor of the month.

/smoke weed erryday
 
2013-04-04 11:11:14 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Weed and Hookers should be legal.

End of story.


Bingo! Something is really wrong when the Government who is suppose to serve the people instead make damn sure the people don't have what they want. Most people also like peace but WashDC is so fond of War. As long as we continue to allow the rich powerful people to treat America like their personal profit center where they serve no time for their crimes none of this will change.
 
2013-04-04 11:12:28 PM

skeevy420: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

That. Every pot smoker I know wants it legalized. Pot dealers, not one bit. They make good profits with it being illegal, especially on the really good weed shipped in from California and the fact that dealers in my area don't sell regi like they used too -- it's all kine or mids if you're lucky. Don't get me wrong, I like the kill, but I can't afford those prices.

I just hate it that cheap, regular weed is hard to come by now. Ever since all the "medicinal" weed laws started coming into effect I've found it harder and harder to get regular weed. Those laws also somewhat correlate to the laws making it harder for tweakers to buy their pills. Me thinks the Mexicans are shipping more meth than weed and most US weed comes from Canada\California\Grower Friendly states.

You know it's all farked up when good meth is cheaper and easier to get than regular weed. I really miss 10 years ago when the regular weed was just as abundant as the killer. Now it's killer or bust, and that just sucks.

//down to my last bowl :(


Dude...you're going to hate me...

Around here that "regular" shiat is what the homeless smoke. They get it from the dumpsters behind the dispensaries. Your state needs to get out of the Dark Ages.
 
2013-04-04 11:13:43 PM
I'm just worried that once its legal everywhere I will have to listen to everybody talk about it instead of just ignoring a few stoners talking about.  Kinda like what happened to facebook...your Aunt will be telling you about some decent bud or some crap.  Also the country is fat enough already, it does not need a nationwide case of the munchies.

Other than that...
blogs.sfweekly.com
 
2013-04-04 11:18:51 PM

Amos Quito: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."

The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.


Gee, I wonder how THEY feel about medicinal marijuana?


they are probably already testing it and getting ready to make their own strains. The whole reason it's not yet legal is because drug companies want to know their position in all of it and how they can monetize it once it does go legal.
 
2013-04-04 11:20:59 PM
Since when has what the majority wants ever mattered in US politics?

I wish I was being sarcastic.
 
2013-04-04 11:22:09 PM

id10ts: cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store
Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

Agree with you on the corner store but imagine how expensive (TAXXXXXES) that would be.
Can't agree with you on the oxy though.  Too many zombies as it is.

/Can't smoke
//Don't smoke
///Don't condone it
////Used to.  Oh god did I used to.


If its still affordable after being smuggled thousands of miles, changing hands, with bribes and transport fees and whatnot, I'm sure it can be heavily taxed and still be affordable. Once it becomes legal, all the transport related fees will drop considerably, and more will be grown locally, dropping prices further. Uncle sam will be able to get his share, trust me: I'm an internet guy.
 
2013-04-04 11:22:09 PM
"...if Margaret Mead, at her age, smoked grass... she'd have one hell of a trip!"
 
2013-04-04 11:23:36 PM

TheGhostofFarkPast: Amos Quito: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."

The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.


Gee, I wonder how THEY feel about medicinal marijuana?

they are probably already testing it and getting ready to make their own strains. The whole reason it's not yet legal is because drug companies want to know their position in all of it and how they can monetize it once it does go legal.


You mean like Marinol?
 
2013-04-04 11:24:08 PM

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


And both of these issues being illegal are stupid, I don't care how they shoved the legislation through to make gay marriage illegal, WHY DO PEOPLE GIVE A shiat WHAT SOMEONE DOES WITH THEMSELVES.
 
2013-04-04 11:28:02 PM
As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.
 
2013-04-04 11:28:03 PM
Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?
 
2013-04-04 11:31:21 PM
Yeah, and if you think the feds or the pigs want to give up their cash cow, you are insane.
 
2013-04-04 11:31:24 PM
Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".
 
2013-04-04 11:34:27 PM

Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.


No kidding. You wanna get stoned/drunk on your own time, that's on you. If you show up for work stoned/drunk, that's a different story and your stupid ass should probably be fired. If you job sucks so bad you think you need to be stoned to handle it, well... honey, you need to find another line of work.
 
2013-04-04 11:38:57 PM
Yes, what is it, America?
 
2013-04-04 11:44:22 PM

tallguywithglasseson: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-2021/they-destroyed-themselves.htm l

Eat some more pills, pill head.


Speaking of: looks like we're getting a Sealab crossover on Archer tonight.

Jon Hamm appearing in the two-part finale as "Captain Murphy, the possibly deranged commander of an undersea laboratory." Will Jon Hamm get to say, "And there go my nipples again!" in his velvety, Jon Hamm baritone? You'll find out April 4
 
2013-04-04 11:46:33 PM

Thunderpipes: Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".


You know that a lot of the people against Obamacare are against it because it doesn't go far enough and they want single payer, right?
 
2013-04-04 11:46:39 PM

The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.


I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome
 
2013-04-04 11:47:55 PM

MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."


How would dealers stop the government from doing anything? Shiat man, most of them stay away from anything about the government, they ain't voting one way or another. No time for votes and town meetings when there's money to make, broseph.
 
2013-04-04 11:50:28 PM

PawisBetlog: randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"

wow, reasonable argument is reasonable.  My head might just explode


I love it when you see someone hop on their alt and support their own retarded post.
 
2013-04-04 11:50:44 PM

The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.


Make sure you only use the middle of your pee stream to fill the cup.  The beginning and end have the most adulterants.
 
2013-04-04 11:51:24 PM

moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome


It's even easier if you simply don't look for a job.
 
2013-04-04 11:51:28 PM

Mister Peejay: cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store

Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

I was prescribed that stuff a long while back.  All it did was make me throw up and voluntarily watch football.

It didn't do anything for the pain resulting from having tender flesh sliced apart and then sewed back together into a kind of mangulated oozing zone of swollen despair, so I only ever took the one.


Lots of pain pills don't actually stop pain, they just fark you up enough that you don't really care.
 
2013-04-04 11:52:26 PM

moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome


Sweet.  I am going to see if I can return the other stuff I bought, as it hasn't been used and get that instead. That is a whole lot less scary than wondering if I am going to pass using the detox stuff I bought.  I actually saw something similar in the store, but decided to go the other way.
 
2013-04-04 11:57:33 PM

miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?


Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.
 
2013-04-04 11:58:01 PM

Rev.K: doglover: Pot should be legal, but no one's said ANYTHING about legalizing being Canadian.

I'm watching you.


Someone may, or may not, be watching you as well. Act accordingly.
 
2013-04-05 12:02:17 AM

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


I'm not sure if...

No, no no no I'm not biting.

Alright. Yeah. Sure. Pot ---> meth. Got it.
 
2013-04-05 12:02:24 AM

tallguywithglasseson: The effect of parenthood may also be part of the most striking shift in opinion -- the change among members of the baby boom generation. During the 1970s, when baby boomers were in their teens and 20s, a plurality supported legalizing pot, with support hitting 47% in a 1978 survey. But as they aged, boomers changed their minds, with support for legal marijuana dropping to fewer than one in five baby boomers by 1990, when members of the generation were in their 30s and 40s. Since then, they've shifted again, and the new poll shows 50% now support legalizing the drug.

And we hear biatching from boomers about how my generation (and younger) are the "me" generation.

Also (also), from
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0404/Support-for-legal- ma rijuana-may-have-reached-tipping-point-poll-finds

In 1991, only 17 percent supported legalization, while 78 percent opposed.

Quite the shift.


I'm in that 17% then. Was a member in good standing of the high school high in 1978, in favor of legalizing. All through Reagan's War on Drugs I was in favor of legalizing. I was in favor of legalizing but gave up on ever seeing it through the 1990s and 2000s, and watched in horror as the DEA and other agencies leveraged the war on drugs to escalate paramilitary policing, no-knock warrants, and private prisons -- which by the way won't fill themselves.

Still in favor of legalizing all drugs, treat addiction like a medical issue and destroy all private prisons immediately.

But there's far far more money in the drug war status quo to make me think it ever happens. Maybe after a few more dozen judges get offed, but I doubt it.

Who makes money on the status quo:

1) DEA and other police agencies
2) Prosecutors
3) Trial lawyers getting middle class and upper class kids out of criminal drug charges
4) Prison budgets for all drug related incarcerations
5) Private prison industry
6) Various phony baloney rehab thats nothing but religion forced on prisoners with federal grants
7) The drug gangs themselves - don't forget how rich they can get being drug lords
8) The medical industry -- the best drugs on the market are almost all illegal, clearing competition for the crappy legal prescription substitutes
9) Forfeiture fans everywhere, from local cops to police auction fans to city budgets augmented by big drug/crime wealth seizures.

On and on it goes.

Short of demanding it by violence and regular protest I don't see how this happy array of criminals ever gives up its power.
 
2013-04-05 12:02:34 AM

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


Most likely caffeine or alcohol, but you knew that.
 
2013-04-05 12:03:12 AM

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


The Gateway Theory has been disproved for 40 years. But don't let that stop you from advocating it with anecdotal evidence.
 
2013-04-05 12:04:13 AM

Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.


Weed being illegal isn't exactly having much effect, now is it? The only effect I see is that many people go to jail for it, often leaving their families without income and leadership. They spend time in jail learning to hate society while the family ends up on welfare and raises another generation of disenchanted youth. The legal status of marijuana is a tool to keep the poor downtrodden, nothing more.
 
2013-04-05 12:05:25 AM
Don't criticize it.
 
2013-04-05 12:07:08 AM

The Angry Hand of God: moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome

Sweet.  I am going to see if I can return the other stuff I bought, as it hasn't been used and get that instead. That is a whole lot less scary than wondering if I am going to pass using the detox stuff I bought.  I actually saw something similar in the store, but decided to go the other way.


fake pee is the way to be

or something like that
 
2013-04-05 12:07:18 AM

Mellotiger: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Weed being illegal isn't exactly having much effect, now is it? The only effect I see is that many people go to jail for it, often leaving their families without income and leadership. They spend time in jail learning to hate society while the family ends up on welfare and raises another generation of disenchanted youth. The legal status of marijuana is a tool to keep the poor downtrodden, nothing more.


And keep Trial Lawyers rich, defending those that can afford justice above this minimum standard.

// Grandfather was a trial lawyer, his clients were mostly white middle and upper middle class suburban kids whose parents didn't want lil buffy and biff to do time for pot or pills.
 
2013-04-05 12:09:14 AM

TheGhostofFarkPast: Amos Quito: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."

The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.


Gee, I wonder how THEY feel about medicinal marijuana?

they are probably already testing it and getting ready to make their own strains. The whole reason it's not yet legal is because drug companies want to know their position in all of it and how they can monetize it once it does go legal.


All they have to do is genetically engineer the most awesome strains and patent the genome. Then use their sway in washington to impose a new ban on pot with more than a certain amount of thc, except for medical use only. Seems likely...
 
2013-04-05 12:11:05 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome

It's even easier if you simply don't look for a job.


I got a job, man

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-05 12:11:52 AM

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


conversely, that's also how I get off meth, dumbass
 
2013-04-05 12:12:30 AM
got off, even

sheesh

giggity?

typing...how does it work?
 
2013-04-05 12:13:09 AM

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


This is such a massive failure of a post. The issue of the legalization of marijuana is black and white. It's either legal, or illegal. The issue of marriage between 2 consenting adults shouldn't have even been a question, but since it is.... it's very simple. People are either for it or they are against it.

The issue of healthcare is so much more complicated. Do people support Obamacare? Yes or No. Well what if you don't but you don't think it went far enough??  Many people who oppose it would have preferred a public option.

Don't compare civil rights and civil liberties with healthcare.
 
2013-04-05 12:13:15 AM
I don't smoke the stuff, and I want it legalized. Simply to end the ridiculousness of wasting taxpayer dollars interdicting, prosecuting, and tying up our legal system with the cases. Legalize it, tax it, and then, more importantly, we can get onto using hemp and hemp related products in OTHER industrial applications. In clothing. In paper. In feed. Using the oils from the seeds. Using the damn stuff for what we were just getting to, when the paper industry and the cotton industry got fearful of competition.

That's the real reason it's illegal. Not the "narcotic" effect, not the addictiveness. It was argued at first that the stuff turned folks into kill crazy psychopaths. Then it was argued, by some of the same folks, years later, that it made people to pacific to fight our wars. The reasoning has always been economic. Fear of competition, and now, we have a prison industry that profits on folks continuing to be jailed for the stuff. It is time to end this nonsense. We cannot afford it. Plain and simple. Turn efforts to things like meth. Turn efforts to real criminals. Yes, there will continue to be home growers, there will continue to be an black market for the stuff if the tax is too high--and then it becomes the 'Revenooooers job to track them down. We can stop wasting time and effort, prison space, court time, and get on to real crimes. We can apply a crop that we used to be pretty damn good at raising--and we still do for the military since they REALLY like hemp rope--and use the stuff for something other than folks getting high. Which is the plant's real strength, as a versatile crop that right now is more valuable for its drug related uses, but if we decriminalize the stuff, we can then think about a LOT of other uses. The uses that drove the plant to being outlawed, and that WILL put the paper industry into a bit of a tizzy, considering how much they have invested in timber, but let the market sort that out.

Smoke it. Wear it. Turn it into paper. Feed for hogs and other critters, use the seeds for oils, there are a LOT of applications, and we've ignored them, and what was once a valuable cash crop for the US, because folks got scared of competition in the markets, and scared a LOT of folks with tales that just weren't based in reality, and have massaged lawmakers into backing them, and putting out some now fairly well documentedly discredited studies. It is long past time, and we've wasted enough time and money on this...
 
2013-04-05 12:17:14 AM

tweek46420: The Angry Hand of God: moefuggenbrew: The Angry Hand of God: As someone who has to go get a drug test for a new job tomorrow, I am more than annoyed.  During the interview, the owner even told me that he is not concerned what I do while I am not at work.  Now I have to hope that all this water I have been drinking and the detox drink I bought work.  I can understand background checks, but drug testing  prior to employment (except in specific cases), is a complete invasion of my privacy.

I was once like you, drinking cranberry juice, gallons of water, flush kits, exercising like crazy, stressing out over whether I would pass or not...then I found QuickFix... I will never do it the old way again. Link   I have used this multiple times and passed every times, google will tell you the same. Please note if you live in a west coast state you may need to get the 'QuickFix Canadian version' as Canada and some west coast states test for an additional urine characteristics.

/You're welcome

Sweet.  I am going to see if I can return the other stuff I bought, as it hasn't been used and get that instead. That is a whole lot less scary than wondering if I am going to pass using the detox stuff I bought.  I actually saw something similar in the store, but decided to go the other way.

fake pee is the way to be

or something like that


Worked a place a guy tested dirty and they gave him a second chance.  Came time for his urine test, he bought a bottle of pee and taped it on the inside of his leg (I guess there was a black market for clean urine back then).  He didn't think the vial was full enough so he finished it off with his own.  Of course, he didn't pass so bye bye.
 
2013-04-05 12:21:00 AM
Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?
 
2013-04-05 12:26:16 AM

Generation_D: Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

The Gateway Theory has been disproved for 40 years. But don't let that stop you from advocating it with anecdotal evidence.


Just because most people don't move on, doesn't mean it isn't a gateway drug. Most people that are involved in stronger drugs probably started out smoking weed. Abuse of any drug can cause long term issues and any drug can be abused, including weed.

It will probably be legalized at some point, by that point big tobacco will get involved, and the price will go up, and they'll include additives to make it more addictive, and cause all the same health risks as traditional cigarettes.

It probably would be a good idea to legalize it, just so we can do more research on it to understand what the actual long term effects are, both positive and negative.
 
2013-04-05 12:33:25 AM

Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?


The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.
 
2013-04-05 12:34:22 AM
Harder, these days, to remain oblivious of the obvious (high farking price to pay for a morality play).

Still can't get a straight answer from those who continue to support War on Some Drugs, on why sacrificing innocents in the crossfire is more acceptable than allowing some junkie to nod off and die from pulmonary edema or, how that death is somehow more important to prevent than the death of some vodka chugger passing out on his/her back and aspirating on their own vomit.  Marijuana doesn't even appear on that screen.

True immorality is allowing static social values to twist static intellectual values into bizarre and expensive pretzels.

/only time Society should get involved is if the user (of any substance) interferes directly with the life or liberty of another citizen
 
2013-04-05 12:35:40 AM

Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies
 
2013-04-05 12:41:58 AM

king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies


Ain't nobody got time for reading all that shiat! Summarize it for us brah... It's late.

Also, I wonder how many people who later get hooked on meth smoked cigarettes before starting meth. I wonder how many people that do meth had previously drank alcohol on a regular basis.
 
2013-04-05 12:42:01 AM

AeAe: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.


you are using reverse logic, the question isn't do all cannabis users move on to something else, it is do people that use harder drugs transition from cannabis. Just because one person doesn't move on to something else doesn't mean it isn't a gateway, it just means they didn't move on.
 
2013-04-05 12:43:37 AM

king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies


I'm pretty sure if these studies actually do prove a correlation of cannabis use with later hard drug use it has more to do with all the lies surrounding cannabis than some magical effect of the cannabis itself.  ie If you tell kids that pot will kill them then they won't believe you when you say the same about heroin.
 
2013-04-05 12:45:06 AM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-05 12:45:23 AM

king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies


They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.
 
2013-04-05 12:48:09 AM

tallguywithglasseson: First time in 4 decades plus of polling...


I actually remember a poll from a couple of years ago where the scale had tipped in favor of legalization.

I wish someone would publish an estimate of money wasted debating marijuana and gay marriage in state and federal legislatures.

They're both going to happen eventually - and they both should happen.
 
2013-04-05 12:48:24 AM

king_nacho: AeAe: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.

you are using reverse logic, the question isn't do all cannabis users move on to something else, it is do people that use harder drugs transition from cannabis. Just because one person doesn't move on to something else doesn't mean it isn't a gateway, it just means they didn't move on.


It's not reverse logic to ask what the incidence of meth users is among people who started smoking pot vs the incidence of of people who went straight to meth. If pot is a gateway drug why don't more people continue on to harder drugs?

Could our drug policy have something to do with the number of people on meth? Both marijuana and crystal meth are treated the same by the Drug Enforcement Agency, but we know there is a difference. Perhaps allowing people to smoke pot and using our resources to crack down harder on meth, crack, etc. we could reduce the usage of harder drugs.
 
2013-04-05 12:48:52 AM

king_nacho: AeAe: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.

you are using reverse logic, the question isn't do all cannabis users move on to something else, it is do people that use harder drugs transition from cannabis. Just because one person doesn't move on to something else doesn't mean it isn't a gateway, it just means they didn't move on.


then how about looking further downstream?  How many hard drug users started with cigarettes and/or alcohol?  then cannabis -> meth/crack/etc?  Maybe there's a population that will move to harder and harder substances because they will do that regardless if any substance in that chain is legal or not.
 
2013-04-05 12:49:18 AM

tylerdurden217: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

Ain't nobody got time for reading all that shiat! Summarize it for us brah... It's late.

Also, I wonder how many people who later get hooked on meth smoked cigarettes before starting meth. I wonder how many people that do meth had previously drank alcohol on a regular basis.


Summary of the first one: Of the people found to not use amphetamines by the age 24, the primary predictor was the use of cannabis by the age of 20.

Summary of the 2nd study: Rats that started out with THC in their system used 40% more heroine than rats not exposed to THC. This, and other studies have shown that THC use in connection with other drugs dampens the sensation of the second drug, causing the individual to use more.
 
2013-04-05 12:52:41 AM

toraque: Try working in game dev.

If they tested everyone here, there wouldn't be anyone left to turn off the lights and lock the door.


And nothing of value would be lost
 
2013-04-05 12:53:43 AM

AeAe: king_nacho: AeAe: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

The flaw in the 'gateway drug' argument is if you looked at the millions of people that have tried cannabis, and continue to use it, you'll find that the number of meth/heroin/coke users don't bear it out.  There should be millions of hard drug users, but there aren't.

you are using reverse logic, the question isn't do all cannabis users move on to something else, it is do people that use harder drugs transition from cannabis. Just because one person doesn't move on to something else doesn't mean it isn't a gateway, it just means they didn't move on.

then how about looking further downstream?  How many hard drug users started with cigarettes and/or alcohol?  then cannabis -> meth/crack/etc?  Maybe there's a population that will move to harder and harder substances because they will do that regardless if any substance in that chain is legal or not.


Absolutely, in general most gateway studies show that people tend to start with other legal and socially acceptable vices, and move towards the illegal. Alcohol being one of the main ones, but there are others. And they don't always lead to drug use, they can often lead to other types of abuse such as eating disorders, cutting, sex addiction, etc.

Most studies point to two factors, use of a drug like alcohol or tobacco, then on to cannabis, then on to something else. That migration is probably caused by some genetic predisposition, and the drugs are just the person trying to make it to the next high.
 
2013-04-05 12:54:48 AM

king_nacho: tylerdurden217: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

Ain't nobody got time for reading all that shiat! Summarize it for us brah... It's late.

Also, I wonder how many people who later get hooked on meth smoked cigarettes before starting meth. I wonder how many people that do meth had previously drank alcohol on a regular basis.

Summary of the first one: Of the people found to not use amphetamines by the age 24, the primary predictor was the use of cannabis by the age of 20.

Summary of the 2nd study: Rats that started out with THC in their system used 40% more heroine than rats not exposed to THC. This, and other studies have shown that THC use in connection with other drugs dampens the sensation of the second drug, causing the individual to use more.


Both of those studies are flawed in that they answer the question: is cannabis use healthful for adolescents? That answer has been known for some time.
 
2013-04-05 12:57:52 AM

Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.


"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.
 
2013-04-05 01:00:33 AM

king_nacho: Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.

"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.


See post above yours; it's not the question posed.
 
2013-04-05 01:01:20 AM

king_nacho: Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.

"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.


Except that it basically just says "People with addictive personalities tend to try a lot of drugs."

The second study reads "Pot helps you cope with the effect of the other drugs you're already doing."

Neither says that if you toke some weed you're doomed to be cooking meth within the week.
 
2013-04-05 01:01:36 AM
Simpsons did it.  (Bart to the Future.)
 
2013-04-05 01:02:50 AM

Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: tylerdurden217: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:


Both of those studies are flawed in that they answer the question: is cannabis use healthful for adolescents? That answer has been known for some time.


Most recreational drug use begins with adolescents, so if you are looking for adults that are addicted to harder drugs, shouldn't you look at their adolescent years to determine if there are patterns?
 
2013-04-05 01:04:21 AM

Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.


I blame formula.  They got hooked on chemicals early.
 
2013-04-05 01:08:04 AM
Dream on stoners, dream on.
 
2013-04-05 01:08:21 AM

Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.

"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.

See post above yours; it's not the question posed.


"Aims: Despite good evidence of increased availability and use of amphetamines world-wide, relatively little is known about the epidemiology of young adult amphetamine use; relationships with social functioning, other drug use and mental health at this age; nor of the adolescent predictors of such use. We examined these issues using a representative cohort of young people followed-up in Victoria, Australia. "

One of the aims of the study was predictors of amphetamine use, so it was one of the questions posed in the study.
 
2013-04-05 01:10:22 AM

fusillade762: Jon Hamm appearing in the two-part finale as "Captain Murphy, the possibly deranged commander of an undersea laboratory." Will Jon Hamm get to say, "And there go my nipples again!" in his velvety, Jon Hamm baritone? You'll find out April 4


RIP Harry Goz

//haven't watched it yet
//it's in the DVR for tomorrow
 
2013-04-05 01:12:49 AM

king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies


That Nature paper is interesting. If I'm reading it right it says thc exposure makes later opiate use more intense/addicting. It doesnt show thc use leads to opiate use, rather there is an increased susceptiblity to its effects once use begins.

The "gateway" hypothesis, as I've seen it used, says pot makes people more likely to *start* using harder drugs. Is there a statistically significant increase in the use of harder drugs after a person uses pot? Is that increase *caused* by pot or is there some hidden variable?
 
2013-04-05 01:13:24 AM
Without reading anything I'm going to assume this means gay bathroom sex
 
2013-04-05 01:15:24 AM

davidphogan: Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

I blame formula.  They got hooked on chemicals early.


Or how about people like to get intoxicated?  People enjoy altering their reality?  There's nothing wrong with either.
 
2013-04-05 01:18:48 AM

Omahawg: brucealanblock.com


That's the shiattiest version of some fanboy trying to copy the old 1st edition DMG I've ever seen.
 
2013-04-05 01:24:20 AM

king_nacho: Fecal Conservative: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
They are definitely two peer reviewed studies. Neither study supports the initial point though.

"Young adult amphetamine use was predicted strongly by adolescent drug use and was associated robustly with other drug use and dependence in young adulthood. Associations were stronger for more frequent users. Among young adults who had not been using amphetamines at age 20 years, the strongest predictor of use at age 24 years was the use of other drugs, particularly cannabis, at 20 years."

I'm not sure how that statement doesn't support the initial point. Young adults that use amphetamines (meth is an amphetamine) could be predicted strongly by the use of adolescent drug use. The strongest predictor of not using amphetamines at 24, was not using cannabis at 20.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the point.


How about old adults. My mom was from the generation that was prescribed amphetamines. She also joked she slept with Prince Valium more times than Johnny Carson (see people used to go to bed and watch Johnny Carson, even while smoking in bed).

Legalize, regulate and tax it, or ban alcohol and tobacco, her gateway drugs. Or, ban doctors from prescribing addictive drugs to any patients that have used alcohol or tobacco.
 
2013-04-05 01:28:41 AM
When there's nothing left do but f*ck, getting stoned is a fine ending to any day.
 
2013-04-05 01:30:49 AM

Baryogenesis: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

That Nature paper is interesting. If I'm reading it right it says thc exposure makes later opiate use more intense/addicting. It doesnt show thc use leads to opiate use, rather there is an increased susceptiblity to its effects once use begins.

The "gateway" hypothesis, as I've seen it used, says pot makes people more likely to *start* using harder drugs. Is there a statistically significant increase in the use of harder drugs after a person uses pot? Is that increase *caused* by pot or is there some hidden variable?


Absolutely, I'm not sure you'll every find a study method that can truly prove or disprove the gateway hypothesis without first defining those hidden variables. The obvious choices of course being genetics and environment, and environment could be the catalyst for starting cannabis use in the first place.

My guess is that genetics are the root cause, then the exposure to some drug (caffeine, alcohol, cannabis, adderall) starts the ball rolling.

I'm not suggesting that the gateway theory be used to keep the drug illegal, I'm simply suggesting you cannot downplay the reality that some people just can't handle their vices, regardless of vice. If we go down the path of opening up the market for commercial marijuana sales, then we have to be prepared for all the side effects that come with it. If marijuana is legal for recreational use, then what, is it treated like tobacco? Can i just light up a joint in the car? What if I smoke in the car with my kid in the car? Can I smoke it anywhere I smoke a traditional cigarette? Or do we treat it more like alcohol? Have to be 21, can't use and drive?

So then what, lets say you can go to Kroger and get a pack of Camel Greens? Is society ready to deal with that?
 
2013-04-05 01:34:50 AM

ShawnDoc: cman: Still would be better if Oxycodone was OTC

Yes, let's make a highly addictive drug, that's already the most abused prescription drug in the country, OTC.  That will turn out well.


Meh, he's mostly right. Prohibition of mind-altering substances does not work. It shouldn't be OTC for anyone but card-carrying addicts. Opiate addicts will and currently are finding something else otherwise, and that's usually heroin. And with that comes needle diseases, and with prohibition comes robberies, murder, and criminal enterprises.

They are gonna use, and some of them are going to overuse and die doing it. That's just a fact no matter what the laws are. But we can limit the impact it has on the rest of us and better use our drugwar money elsewhere.
 
2013-04-05 01:41:34 AM
Approves:

upload.wikimedia.org
/obscure?
 
2013-04-05 01:45:37 AM

bigvicproton: I'm just worried that once its legal everywhere I will have to listen to everybody talk about it instead of just ignoring a few stoners talking about.  Kinda like what happened to facebook...your Aunt will be telling you about some decent bud or some crap.  Also the country is fat enough already, it does not need a nationwide case of the munchies.

Other than that...
[blogs.sfweekly.com image 320x322]


You know, I've always wondered what the story was behind that picture. I found  this which leaves me even more confused.
 
2013-04-05 01:51:01 AM

UNC_Samurai: Omahawg: brucealanblock.com

That's the shiattiest version of some fanboy trying to copy the old 1st edition DMG I've ever seen.


I think it's from the 20s...
 
2013-04-05 01:59:32 AM

JohnBigBootay: - get the good shiat and a bag of leaf and trim for basically nothing.


Thanks for the pro tip.   I refuse to cut with nicotine, and most that is available knocks my head so hard I can hardly remember anything.

/except pro tips
 
2013-04-05 02:15:28 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-05 02:21:40 AM

WordyGrrl: Nadie_AZ: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Honest Bender: Federal Government:  "HAHAHA!. No thanks, we've really gotten to like all the extra money and power we get from the war on drugs.  Now STFU and GBTW, citizen."

But before you go back to work, would you mind peeing in this bottle?

That's the one I don't get. "Want to work here? Show us what you do in your down time." Except the drinking. And orgies. And smoking. And rock climbing. And bungee jumping. And high speed motorcycle riding. And shooting. And on and on.

No kidding. You wanna get stoned/drunk on your own time, that's on you. If you show up for work stoned/drunk, that's a different story and your stupid ass should probably be fired. If you job sucks so bad you think you need to be stoned to handle it, well... honey, you need to find another line of work.


Or to have been born with a body that works.  I have 5 separate skeletal issues, my current prescription for the pain is Hydrocodone (Vicodin)  I hate the crap and prefer to suffer.  My neurosurgeon tells me when it stops working I get Limbaugh dope.  I don't live in a free state, have no access to herbal meds anymore and can barely get out of bed because of the pain.  This shiat needs to stop.  I have never taken, don't want to take, and will never take Heroin or its white-trash cousin. Gateway drug my ass, pot's kept me OFF legally sanctioned hard drugs.  Show up to work at all, your choice H or Pot, at the end of the day we all know  the alcoholic everyone has been covering for is the one who will go psycho in the office. The pot head will just say, "Dude, I told you but you didn't listen."

My last company literally informed me of the new random drug testing policy over beers.  Each of my 3 bosses had at least 4 beers in the course of 35 minutes, I had two Mt Dews.  I was so pissed that these drunks were 'warning' me because they thought I was a stoner, when the only thing I was taking were my Orthopedic Surgeon proscribed pain meds which at the time were far lighter than now, but don't work anymore at all.   I did them a favor, they got drug tested that afternoon, by highway patrol after our meeting.  I don't know who called those SOB's in but two of the three got caught and breathalyzed. When the new bosses were twice the idiots the former ones were I talked it through with my wife and left. As a final fark you I packed my truck up, parked it at the office, met a friend, got my first ounce in over 15 years, walked in told my former bosses bosses where they could shove their piece of shiat job, went home and got so blazed I was singing show tunes.  Haven't taken an opioid related medicine since, all of my former bosses are looking at federal charges for embezzlement, I unfortunately didn't think my resignation through and gave them all the documents showing my labor extending beyond 2am many nights when my pay was only for 40 hours a week. After getting stoned I didn't even care anymore that I forgot to save legal documentation, in the end Karma is biting them in the a$$ and I can move my body better than I could in my 20's.

I've gotten so lazy I've gone back to school to get a second degree and possibly two advanced degrees.  Stoners at work = happy workers
Any future drug tests I take will involve, "what have you ingested today?"  and not urine. I won't work for someone I can't be honest with ever
again. Burnt bridges force you to find new paths to life.
 
2013-04-05 02:30:51 AM

abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?


Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.
 
2013-04-05 02:40:53 AM

Omahawg: Ima4nic8or: miss diminutive: Ima4nic8or: Yay, lets legalize weed.  Then more folks will look like the guy in the next article down in a few years. Whoopie. Great idea.

Legalizing weed will cause Americans to blow up their mothers' houses and burn their faces in futile efforts to produce meth?

Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

conversely, that's also how I get off meth, dumbass


Big congratulations to you sir!
 
2013-04-05 02:42:18 AM
Im not going to read all the comments in yet another legalise it thread. I probably agree and disagree with most of you, one way or the other.
I think it should be legal, just like i think that I should be able to walk in to a pharmacy and get some things like xanax and vicodin otc, 5-10/ month, with normal tracking kept in play. Because, as much as i hate big pharma- sometimes certain drugs fix things, or relieve symptoms and pain. I still have some vics from an
oral surgery from a few years ago. They gave me 5, so i am not really a pillhead. vics work but they make it hard to poop so... rarely used.Still- i should be legal to discrad them and get fresh ones, otc .
Now, I mention that first because there is no way until we are in patent and copyright hell that cannabis will be legal at the federal level.
I know a few folks who used cannabis to stop drinking before they killed themselves doing that. How does big pharma make a dollar if the potential patient chooses a holistic, herbal approach ?
i have more examples, but I hope my point was made. Im trying to think of a Jimmy Carter legalising homebrewing situation / solution, but idk how that would work. When I was active brewing I broke the law brewing more than 3 times a year ( in gallons / barrels ) .
 
2013-04-05 02:57:06 AM

Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.


I made some Bob's Red Mill gluten free brownies and while they looked amazing they were no where near sweet enough, even after I added an extra half cup of sugar and milk chocolate chips.  It used a stick and a half of butter so it would have gotten me right farked up if I used cannabutter.
 
2013-04-05 02:57:08 AM
is this the same majority that want's free healthcare, and other services, but don't want to raise taxes?  Well, we should definitely listen to the majority then.
 
2013-04-05 03:00:30 AM

hideous: is this the same majority that want's free healthcare, and other services, but don't want to raise taxes?  Well, we should definitely listen to the majority then.


No, let's listen to the people with proper grammar instead.
 
2013-04-05 03:04:57 AM

tylerdurden217: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

Ain't nobody got time for reading all that shiat! Summarize it for us brah... It's late.

Also, I wonder how many people who later get hooked on meth smoked cigarettes before starting meth. I wonder how many people that do meth had previously drank alcohol on a regular basis.


Simply because A precedes B does not mean A caused B. F*cking causality, how does it work?
 
2013-04-05 03:17:16 AM

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Approves:

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/obscure?


The Alphabet Song!!
Haven't heard these guys in a long time! Not since I moved and left most of my stuff behind!!!
 
2013-04-05 03:19:09 AM

king_nacho: Baryogenesis: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

That Nature paper is interesting. If I'm reading it right it says thc exposure makes later opiate use more intense/addicting. It doesnt show thc use leads to opiate use, rather there is an increased susceptiblity to its effects once use begins.

The "gateway" hypothesis, as I've seen it used, says pot makes people more likely to *start* using harder drugs. Is there a statistically significant increase in the use of harder drugs after a person uses pot? Is that increase *caused* by pot or is there some hidden variable?

Absolutely, I'm not sure you'll every find a study method that can truly prove or disprove the gateway hypothesis without first defining those hidden variables. The obvious choices of course being genetics and environment, and environment could be the catalyst for starting cannabis use in the first place.

My guess is that genetics are the root cause, then the exposure to some drug (caffeine, alcohol, cannabis, adderall) starts the ball rolling.

I'm not suggesting that the gateway theory be used to keep the drug illegal, I'm simply suggesting you cannot downplay the reality that some people just can't handle their vices, regardless of vice. If we go down the path of opening up the market for commercial marijuana sales, then we have to be prepared for all the side effects that come with it. If marijuana is legal for recreational use, then what, is it treated like tobacco? Can i just light up a joint in the car? What if I smoke in the car with my kid in the car? Can I smoke it anywhe ...


That's easy.  Dedicate a portion of tax revenue from the sale of marijuana (or any other drugs we legalize) to treatment/sobriety programs.  Portugal is a great example of how decriminalizing drug use and treating addicts instead of locking them up benefits everyone and saves tax dollars.  As far as smoking in public, treat pot exactly like cigarettes (mostly for simplicity sake).
 
2013-04-05 03:19:34 AM

lewismarktwo: Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.

I made some Bob's Red Mill gluten free brownies and while they looked amazing they were no where near sweet enough, even after I added an extra half cup of sugar and milk chocolate chips.  It used a stick and a half of butter so it would have gotten me right farked up if I used cannabutter.


Damn. I think the brownies I make call for like half a stick. I don't know anything about gluten-free cooking. I'm sure some hippie somewhere has plenty of gluten-free recipes posted.
 
2013-04-05 03:24:55 AM
 
2013-04-05 03:34:31 AM
I don't get how the pharmacies aren't all over legalization. They could make literal banks of money by selling it, and lobbying for the Federal government to make it legal to consume, but not to produce, and then levy taxes on the purchase.

Not that I'm saying I want the "big pharma" companies to do that, but they aren't being exactly the most shrewd of businesses. Yeah, it'll make a lot of their drugs obsolete (for the most part), but they would probably make more money doing this than selling crapass drugs.
 
2013-04-05 03:38:32 AM
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http://www.denverpost.com/food/ci_22868515/marsh-madness-denver-post -p eeps-contest-winners


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2013-04-05 03:40:31 AM

Blue_Blazer: lewismarktwo: Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.

I made some Bob's Red Mill gluten free brownies and while they looked amazing they were no where near sweet enough, even after I added an extra half cup of sugar and milk chocolate chips.  It used a stick and a half of butter so it would have gotten me right farked up if I used cannabutter.

Damn. I think the brownies I make call for like half a stick. I don't know anything about gluten-free cooking. I'm sure some hippie somewhere has plenty of gluten-free recipes posted.


Apparently, all you need is some xanthen gum or guar gum and maybe some potato starch or the like and you can make just about anything gluten free.
 
2013-04-05 03:57:17 AM

Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.


My .02 although I don't know shiat about gluten free stuff (be sure to check labels and stuff):

- Duncan Hines and Betty Crocker mixes suck ass and taste like ass. Get Ghirardelli if you can. Tastes much better and it's made to bake at 325F rather than 375F or 400F.
- When making your butter, get a 1 pound box of the Land O Lakes 1/4 cup sticks (there are 8 half sticks in the box). Use three of the 1/4 cup sticks.
- After you strain your butter through cheesecloth, squeeze out your cheesecloth with a ricer. Then dampen the cloth and squeeze out again. Do this several times.
- I prefer to use a pyrex dish rather than a metal pan to bake in. Still, don't forget to spray the dish so the brownies don't stick.
- You don't need to grind up your stuff into a fine powder. A course grind so it looks like tobacco for a cigarette is just fine.
- Expect to make several batches before you hit on the right taste and strength that you want.
- Eating and smoking hit you in different ways and take different amounts of time. You may not feel anything that you eat for an hour or more depending on how recently you have eaten.
- Hot chocolate (made with MILK) goes well with edibles.
- The cheap, small, $10 crock pot at Walmart, is a thing of beauty
- Brownies last a long time in the freezer. Just take one out an hour before you want to eat it and put on a warm surface rather than microwaving it.
- Keep away from pets and kids

/or so I've heard :)
 
2013-04-05 04:41:23 AM
So another 20 years before the Feds catch up with the people's wishes?
 
2013-04-05 05:09:01 AM

king_nacho: So then what, lets say you can go to Kroger and get a pack of Camel Greens? Is society ready to deal with that?


Society survived the far more dangerous effects of Prohibition II, though not without serious and possibly irreversible damage.
 
2013-04-05 05:45:53 AM

lewismarktwo: Blue_Blazer: abb3w: Anyone have a recipe for gluten-free hash brownies?

Just get a gluten-free brownie mix (assuming those exist) then just use the power of google to learn to make cannabutter and use that instead of butter.

I made some Bob's Red Mill gluten free brownies and while they looked amazing they were no where near sweet enough, even after I added an extra half cup of sugar and milk chocolate chips.  It used a stick and a half of butter so it would have gotten me right farked up if I used cannabutter.


Bob is a cool guy and recently gave his business to his employees. We buy their products.
I use spelt instead of wheat.
Some of the gluten free products have xantham gum or guar gum which are bad for celiacs.

/legal weed in this state
//as it should be
 
2013-04-05 06:58:01 AM
Things are happening faster. Rhode Island just deciminalized. Unfortunately, NO East/Northeast states allow direct democracy (all referendums have to be approved by the legislature), so unless they actually elect people who are willing to change the law, nothing will happen - and D.C. follows the NE, not the West. But with medical in D.C. itself and in Massachusetts, as well as decrim in Rhode Island... Things are changing.

I think one of the tipping points was legal cannabis being more popular than Obama in Colorado. All of the politicians are on notice that the tables have turned, and being against cannabis may cost them an election.

I've been waiting for this for years and years. i thought things would change with California, but they didn't, and then they voted  against legalization and I thought it might take forever. But I think it really is different now.
 
2013-04-05 07:09:08 AM

adamatari: Things are happening faster. Rhode Island just deciminalized. Unfortunately, NO East/Northeast states allow direct democracy (all referendums have to be approved by the legislature), so unless they actually elect people who are willing to change the law, nothing will happen - and D.C. follows the NE, not the West. But with medical in D.C. itself and in Massachusetts, as well as decrim in Rhode Island... Things are changing.

I think one of the tipping points was legal cannabis being more popular than Obama in Colorado. All of the politicians are on notice that the tables have turned, and being against cannabis may cost them an election.

I've been waiting for this for years and years. i thought things would change with California, but they didn't, and then they voted  against legalization and I thought it might take forever. But I think it really is different now.


I hope you realize many pro-weed people here in California were against the legalization proposition, mainly because of the perceived impact it would have on the current model and those involved with growing the top shelf weed we have here. I actually am happy CO and WA decided to set the trend on this one and figure out the logistics, CA already set this all in motion with the medical program so don't be too mad at us for voting that prop down.

/America's views on gay people and weed have changed so much in the last 20 years, it restores my faith in humanity.
 
2013-04-05 08:31:37 AM

TheJoe03: I hope you realize many pro-weed people here in California were against the legalization proposition, mainly because of the perceived impact it would have on the current model and those involved with growing the top shelf weed we have here. I actually am happy CO and WA decided to set the trend on this one and figure out the logistics, CA already set this all in motion with the medical program so don't be too mad at us for voting that prop down.


California is like the Greg Norman of states .... the best golfer in the world for   16 holes.
 
2013-04-05 08:38:05 AM

king_nacho: So then what, lets say you can go to Kroger and get a pack of Camel Greens? Is society ready to deal with that?


Not sure where society you live in, but drug use is already pretty much widely practiced in my neck of the woods.    It's just wholly supplied by a black market pyramid scheme where the top of the pyramid are ruthless violent drug lords, the middle of the pyramid is street gangs battling for distribution/turf and the bottom rung of the ladder are often children who do the hand to hand transactions.   Weed was a hell of a lot easier for me to get in high school than alcohol was, because to get alcohol I had to go around a state licensed and enforced distribution system.  To get weed I just had to go to the guy the next locker over.
 
2013-04-05 08:54:28 AM
Smoke weed everyday.
 
2013-04-05 10:07:56 AM

InmanRoshi: king_nacho: So then what, lets say you can go to Kroger and get a pack of Camel Greens? Is society ready to deal with that?

Not sure where society you live in, but drug use is already pretty much widely practiced in my neck of the woods.    It's just wholly supplied by a black market pyramid scheme where the top of the pyramid are ruthless violent drug lords, the middle of the pyramid is street gangs battling for distribution/turf and the bottom rung of the ladder are often children who do the hand to hand transactions.   Weed was a hell of a lot easier for me to get in high school than alcohol was, because to get alcohol I had to go around a state licensed and enforced distribution system.  To get weed I just had to go to the guy the next locker over.


I live in a state that is known for production of drugs. Kentucky is the third largest producer of marijuana in the country, we are also in the top 10 for meth, 2nd in tobacco and #1 in Bourbon. There is a difference between widely practiced, and doing drugs in public? In your neck of the woods is it acceptable to light up a joint while on a smoke break in the middle of the work day?

As for ease of acquisition, alcohol and weed were both equally easy to get in high school, between parents that would buy it for kids, and the liquor stores that didn't card, it didn't particularly matter. Also, there was always somebody who's parents were growing weed for side money and supplying it.
 
2013-04-05 10:17:09 AM

drayno76: My last company literally informed me of the new random drug testing policy over beers


Don't work for somewhere that drug tests you.  Or move to where I live in Ontario, Canada they don't test anyone here except pilots.  Which makes sense...why would you test a damn regular office cube dweller...and yes I know many states do.  Those states lack freedom.
 
2013-04-05 10:22:08 AM

cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store


Imagine the Liggett version of joints.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-05 10:25:00 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Weed and Hookers should be legal.

End of story.


Please run for a national office. I will run your PR campaign.
 
2013-04-05 10:34:00 AM

icam: cman: I wouldnt mind buying a pack of joints at the corner store

Imagine the Liggett version equivalent of joints.


FTFM
 
2013-04-05 10:44:30 AM
I just want to say, at the bar last night the smoking area was 50% people smoking cigs and about 50% people smoking pipes or joints. It's nice living in a place where no one gives a fark.

/Denver
 
2013-04-05 10:47:07 AM

Thunderpipes: Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".


Citation needed.
 
2013-04-05 10:54:37 AM

Amos Quito: Who has executive control over the DOJ and the DEA?

[www.postchronicle.com image 300x286]

All he has to do is stop the enforcement on the Federal level. The rest will fall into place.

He is no longer defending DOMA, yet he refuses to back off on marijuana.

Why?


Because he's a politician, duh!
 
2013-04-05 11:03:35 AM

randomjsa: I'm sorry, does it matter when the majority of Americans have an opinion legislation? We now have two issues, marijuana legalization and gay marriage, that you might get majority support for but if we follow the logic of ObamaCare... Popular opinion is to be absolutely damned. I bring this up because this is legislation the LA Times supports.

So you're going to have to decide... Either the American people are infantile and don't know what's best for them, and must have legislation forced on them that they don't want... Or they know what they are talking about. You can't say "the majority matters until it says something liberals don't like then F the majority"


Yeah! In some states, slavery would still pass popular vote muster. And yet there's the federal government telling them that's illegal. The farking nerve. Hegemony is here, America! Wake up sheeple!
 
2013-04-05 11:06:08 AM

evaned: tallguywithglasseson: A notable political split exists on the issue, with conservative Republicans heavily against legalization,

I never understood this. You'd think that federal drug reform would be a conservative's wet dream: small government, state's rights, decr... wait, what's that? Conservative Republicans aren't actually conservative?

Oh. Now I get it.


Actually a whole lot of conservatives support it...  I am not sure where the article is getting this.  It might be a case of pollsters assuming that any republican that would be for legalization must be a moderate by definition, which is not true...
 
2013-04-05 11:10:24 AM
I want a refund on the failed war on drugs.
 
2013-04-05 11:52:46 AM

Thunderpipes: Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".


Majority of Americans ... "We want everything contained in Obamacare, just don't call it Obamacare because the GOP have tarnished the name Obamacare".
 
2013-04-05 12:04:40 PM

basemetal: Philbb: basemetal: Yeah, maybe the majority when you count the big cities, but when you get to individual states, bible belt states, better think again.

"Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative. "

You underestimate the power of the churches in the bible belt to demonize something, drive that thought home to their members, organize and influence voters and legislators.  Hell, all they have to do around here is say Obama was for it.


Dear gods, this.

I will be EXTREMELY pleasantly surprised if--without full-on no-local-option federal legalisation--if the Sweet Leaf becomes legal in my state in my lifetime, if only because fully HALF my state (which, ironically, is probably most positively known FOR its spirits industry) is in a state where Prohibition has functionally never ended...thanks to a VERY powerful Southern Baptist political lobby combined with the fact that cops and bootleggers have actively lobbied to keep alcohol illegal.

The one thing I can see that would make legalisation easy (outside of Louisville and Lexington and Covington) would be economic benefits from cannabineries (there really isn't a term for "local grow shop and sales for non-medical reasons" for cannabis like we refer to a "winery" as a wine production and sales shop or "brewery" for beer or "tobacconist" for tobacco, so I'm inventing one :D) and marijuana farming; the strategy IS helping to at least legalise industrial hemp, and is pretty much the ONLY thing that's succeeded in making certain Appalachian counties wet or moist.

(Re the latter--a LOT of counties that were long-term hard-line dry counties along I-75 in particular have gone wet recently...because, as it turned out, they realised they were haemorrhaging tax revenue to Jellico, TN AND because most of the major casual dining chains (like your TGI Friday's, your Ruby Tuesday's, your Red Robin, and the like) were flat-out refusing to set up shop there unless alcohol sales were allowed.  It should be noted that pretty much the entire economic basis of these areas is coal, a Southern Baptist university that has been threatened with the loss of its secular accreditation due to its discriminatory policies against LGBT students, and "pass-through" traffic along I-75 and US 25E to tourist areas further south and/or east (particularly tourist traffic making its way to the Great Smoky Mountains or the twice-yearly traffic to and from Bristol Motor Speedway).  In this case, the possibility of jobs and tax revenue won out over the temperance leagues...now only HALF the state is dry rather than two-thirds. :D)

/also wishes they'd hurry the fark up and legalise it
//will be pleasantly surprised if I can buy American Spirit Green in my lifetime, lol
 
2013-04-05 12:15:53 PM

Red_Fox: drayno76: My last company literally informed me of the new random drug testing policy over beers

Don't work for somewhere that drug tests you.  Or move to where I live in Ontario, Canada they don't test anyone here except pilots.  Which makes sense...why would you test a damn regular office cube dweller...and yes I know many states do.  Those states lack freedom.


If a private company wants to test their employees, then that is freedom. Freedom goes both ways, if you want to smoke weed fine. If you want to smoke weed and work at a company where the owner doesn't want employees to smoke weed then you are free to attempt find other employment.
 
2013-04-05 12:27:19 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.

Expect a lot of FUD about Philip Morris making joints, or Monsanto creating a "roundup ready" GMO version of pot. In other words, "I can't handle free market competition."

The biggest drug dealers are Merck and Pfizer.


No kidding.  About 5 years ago I got about 7 prescription drugs laid on my by my doctor to help me with 'pre' conditions.  I was prediabetic, prehyptertensive, etc, etc.  I steadily gained a ton of weight.  Accidentally stopped taking one of the BP meds when he added a second one and I thought it was to replace the first.  Turns out the BP med he had me on for the disease I didn't even have yet cuts your metabolism by 30%.  Wow, that sure as shiat is what you want to do when you're overweight...

Also turned out that after a long term study, the drug didn't produce longer lifespans or fewer bp related 'events'.  So all it did was slow you down and make you fat.

Stopped taking the lot of them, lost a ton of weight, the 'pre' conditions went away. and I will never, ever, ever take a prescription drug unless its to save my life or avert an immediate life threating situation.

Biggest problem we'll have with pot is the inertia in the system.  Lots of private prisons holding people on drug related cases.  Tons of DA's, police etc that have enforcing drug laws as their primary job.  Its a lot like government in general...its twice as big as it needs to be but if we cut it to the size required, unemployment would make the economy unsustainable.  Its not that private industry would take this stuff up, there isn't any profit in it except for the investigations, prosecutions and jailing.

So between the alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals, law enforcement and private prisons, thats a stupid amount of money and influence to overcome.

Best bet is to move to a state thats legalized it or has a liberal medical policy and let it become a red state problem, let them spend their money and prisons on it.
 
2013-04-05 12:40:51 PM

Rev.K: Get Marc Emery the f*ck out of the American jail he should never have gone to in the first place.


I agree the crime ME committed (shipping seeds to the USA) should not be against the law, but it is and he knew it was and he claimed it was in defense of his principles that he committed the crime, .: he can do the time.

/Marc Emery is a douchebag
//His "political" stance is purely financially motivated and the Canadian legalization effort is better for his absence
 
2013-04-05 12:54:37 PM

tarhammer: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MrEricSir: The drug dealers are going to keep fighting against legalization; they're not going to let the government put them out of business.
...
Best bet is to move to a state thats legalized it or ...


So long as the federal government funds the programs, even if you live in a state where it is legal, your tax dollars will help fund the programs in the states where it isn't.
 
2013-04-05 12:56:55 PM

king_nacho: Most studies point to two factors, use of a drug like alcohol or tobacco, then on to cannabis, then on to something else. That migration is probably caused by some genetic predisposition, and the drugs are just the person trying to make it to the next high.


This assumes the user is "trying to make it to the next high. "

One thing your progression is missing is the effects of a culture of prohibition. By sending our children in to the hands of drug dealers to experiment with marijuana they become inculcated to a prohibition culture. 6 months in and all those lies their schools, governments, and possibly parents told them about marijuana become glaringly false and the line from their dealer that "nobody gets addicted to meth the first time" might just become believable. Remove the prohibitions on marijuana and you remove the social gateway effect when kids only have to get their older brother to go to 7-11 for them instead of socializing with junkies.
 
2013-04-05 01:47:33 PM

InmanRoshi: Thunderpipes: Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".

Majority of Americans ... "We want everything contained in Obamacare, just don't call it Obamacare because the GOP have tarnished the name Obamacare".


We don't want Obamacare, that's why we elected Obama...

TWICE.
 
2013-04-05 01:57:48 PM
As someone who is in his final days of work because of a change in policy to now fire for MEDICAL cannabis use, this change in America's public attitude is long overdue.  I can't wait for America to end this War on Plants, and get over the stigma of "lazy potheads" and all that other crap coming from tea-bag repubs.  I have worked for eight Governors in nine different Administrations, two Fortune 500 companies among many others, and am considered anything but lazy!  So if anyone needs someone in New Mexico who has over $30 billion in direct hand-on financial experience - not just number counting but direct hands on experience in cash, Treasury and Investments Management, I have proved my "worth" many times over!   Otherwise, I just sit back and manage personal portfolios, do art, and take care of a dying father for a while.  Looking forward to my next adventure!
 
2013-04-05 03:16:49 PM

Rogue Surf: As someone who is in his final days of work because of a change in policy to now fire for MEDICAL cannabis use, this change in America's public attitude is long overdue.


That seriously sucks. Best of luck.
 
2013-04-05 04:18:35 PM

tallguywithglasseson: First time in 4 decades plus of polling...

Also

By an overwhelming margin, 72% to 23%, respondents said the federal government's efforts against marijuana "cost more than they are worth."
Similarly, by nearly 2-to-1, respondents said the federal government should not enforce its anti-marijuana laws in states that allow use of the drug.

Wonder who the foot draggers will be...

The poll suggests a shift in federal law may be slow. A notable political split exists on the issue, with conservative Republicans heavily against legalization, while majorities of Democrats, independents and liberal and moderate Republicans back it. Conservatives have strong sway among Republicans in the House.

This was somewhat surprising:

Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative.


Well, shockingly, policy is not decided by numbers.

Deal with it and grow up.
 
2013-04-05 04:58:57 PM

Raharu: InmanRoshi: Thunderpipes: Majority of Americans... "We don't want Obamacare".

Majority of Americans ... "We want everything contained in Obamacare, just don't call it Obamacare because the GOP have tarnished the name Obamacare".

We don't want Obamacare, that's why we elected Obama...

TWICE.



www.brobible.com

We elected Obama twice because we didn't want fish for dinner.


/And no one offered us lasagna.
 
2013-04-05 08:39:35 PM

Rueened: Well, shockingly, policy is not decided by numbers.

Deal with it and grow up.


Didn't say it was... do you struggle with black-and-white thinking?

But a public opinion shift of that magnitude in that period of time is notable, and can have noticeable effects on public policy.
e.g., marijuana has already been legalized for recreational use at the state level - who would have thought that even 10 years ago?

And speaking of shifting public opinions driving policy,
http://go.bloomberg.com/political-capital/2013-04-04/nelson-backs-ga y- marriage-six-democratic-senators-left-silent/

//telling people to grow up is not very grown up
 
2013-04-06 04:04:05 AM

tallguywithglasseson: Rueened: Well, shockingly, policy is not decided by numbers.

Deal with it and grow up.

Didn't say it was... do you struggle with black-and-white thinking?


Do you struggle with living in the real world, and with everyday responsibilities?

But a public opinion shift of that magnitude in that period of time is notable, and can have noticeable effects on public policy.
e.g., marijuana has already been legalized for recreational use at the state level - who would have thought that even 10 years ago?


Put down the bong, Sparky, it's time to put some pants on and try to find a job.
 
2013-04-06 04:20:56 AM

Rueened: Put down the bong, Sparky, it's time to put some pants on and try to find a job.


First of all, how farking corny and old do you have to be to use the word "sparky"? Anyways, what the hell does that have to do with his point? Are you incapable of understanding that this issue fairs better when a majority of Americans support it? Are you that stupid? Have you not been paying attention to the shift in marijuana laws in the last 10-15 years?
 
2013-04-06 04:22:41 AM
God damn it, this is the second time you successfully trolled me. I know that because I figured it out last time by clicking your profile and seeing that you were from "Sunnyvale Trailer Park" in Novia Scotia. Ya farkin pothead, why you gotta troll!?

/gonna get drunk and eat chicken fingers
 
2013-04-06 10:31:31 AM

Rueened: Do you struggle with living in the real world, and with everyday responsibilities?


I suppose everyone struggles to some extent, but I'd say far less than most.

Rueened: Put down the bong, Sparky, it's time to put some pants on and try to find a job.


I don't like pot, don't smoke it, nor do I take any drugs.

Doesn't change the fact that public opinion on marijuana is shifting rapidly.

That's what's happening - in the real world. Are you struggling with that?
 
2013-04-06 11:00:29 AM

tallguywithglasseson: I don't like pot, don't smoke it, nor do I take any drugs.


Really? None at all? That's... fascinating.

Doesn't change the fact that public opinion on marijuana is shifting rapidly.


Doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.

That's what's happening - in the real world. Are you struggling with that?

This isn't about numbers, or opinion polls (or opinion for that matter). It's not a popularity contest.

It's about right and wrong.

And you are the one struggling to understand that.
 
2013-04-06 11:08:24 AM

king_nacho: Baryogenesis: king_nacho: Weaver95: Ima4nic8or:
Yes.  Ask those meth heads if their drug problems started with weed.  Almost universally the answer will be yes.

could you point to some sort of independent study that confirms this fantasy of yours?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2007.01906.x/ ab stract;jsessionid=C6ECA7225E192FC194E91B5425C6A53D.d03t04

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/full/1301127a.html

here are two peer reviewed studies

That Nature paper is interesting. If I'm reading it right it says thc exposure makes later opiate use more intense/addicting. It doesnt show thc use leads to opiate use, rather there is an increased susceptiblity to its effects once use begins.

The "gateway" hypothesis, as I've seen it used, says pot makes people more likely to *start* using harder drugs. Is there a statistically significant increase in the use of harder drugs after a person uses pot? Is that increase *caused* by pot or is there some hidden variable?

Absolutely, I'm not sure you'll every find a study method that can truly prove or disprove the gateway hypothesis without first defining those hidden variables. The obvious choices of course being genetics and environment, and environment could be the catalyst for starting cannabis use in the first place.

My guess is that genetics are the root cause, then the exposure to some drug (caffeine, alcohol, cannabis, adderall) starts the ball rolling.

I'm not suggesting that the gateway theory be used to keep the drug illegal, I'm simply suggesting you cannot downplay the reality that some people just can't handle their vices, regardless of vice. If we go down the path of opening up the market for commercial marijuana sales, then we have to be prepared for all the side effects that come with it. If marijuana is legal for recreational use, then what, is it treated like tobacco? Can i just light up a joint in the car? What if I smoke in the car with my kid in the car? Can I smoke it anywhe ...


I think society at large is dealing with it already, and all it does is give gangs $$$$. Take away one of their biggest sources of revenue and they'll be effectively neutered.

Also I'd rather have some kids bribe their older brother to get regulated pot at a dispensery then to find a drug dealer that probably also sells coke, heroin, and meth.

Regulate it like alcohol (not tobacco): no driving, not on public property, etc.

I know you're worried about pot, but you want to know what's legal and far more addictive: Oxycotin, Benzos, and gambling. I work at a Mental Health and Addictions hospital and we are having a horrible time with pill addicts and problem gamblers.

Our methadone clinics are full of pill addicts, not people addicted to meth and heroin. Problem Gamblers have the highest suicide rate of ANY addictive substance. Yet BOTH are legal.

/Pot is addictive too, but getting people off it is much easier
//No one under the age of 20 should smoke pot OR if you have a family history of Schizophrenia
 
2013-04-06 11:18:37 AM

Rueened: It's about right and wrong.

And you are the one struggling to understand that.


I don't see marijuana use as a moral issue (like most Americans).

Public opinion does affect policy makers, most recently demonstrated with gay marriage (down from 6 to 4 Democratic Senators who haven't declared support, just from yesterday). Public opinion isn't insignificant on this issue either, demonstrated not only by medical marijuana legalization at state-level but also for recreational use.

So you're wrong about that, and you're wrong about me being a user (not to mention your ad-hominems being pointless even if they were right).

If you have some moral object to people smoking pot (whether or not you're capable of articulating it better than "it's wrong")... that's your problem. And you're welcome to it.
But if you don't see policy is changing on the issue, you've got your head up your ass. Enjoy.
 
2013-04-06 11:37:05 AM

tallguywithglasseson: But if you don't see policy is changing on the issue, you've got your head up your ass. Enjoy.


Nice try at misrepresenting me, but you fail.

I can see what's going on perfectly well, and I know that public opinion is changing.

I just don't agree with it, that's all.
 
2013-04-06 02:51:26 PM

Rueened: tallguywithglasseson: But if you don't see policy is changing on the issue, you've got your head up your ass. Enjoy.

Nice try at misrepresenting me, but you fail.

I can see what's going on perfectly well, and I know that public opinion is changing.

I just don't agree with it, that's all.


So you're the one who's wrong.
 
2013-04-06 03:07:35 PM
 
2013-04-06 10:35:34 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Support for legalization is strikingly uniform among states, with the percentage virtually the same in the states that have decriminalized, legalized or allowed medical use and in the 26 where marijuana remains fully illegal. There is little variation among various regions of the country either -- a sharp contrast with other cultural issues, on which coastal states tend to be more liberal and the South more conservative.


Probably because we've all seen Rolling Kansas.  Merle "Okie from Muskogee" Haggard has basically said the song that made him famous was ironic satire; pretty damn plausible given the city's got a year-round renfaire.  Willie Nelson pretty much lives both.
 
2013-04-06 10:42:15 PM

Sgygus: Two states have legalized cannabis but only because there was a direct public vote on the issue.


Oregon shot it down.  But in that case, you know, good for Oregon.  Keep in mind, I say this because there's nothing to do in that state that doesn't involve getting farked up now, the state's dealing with some mind-blowing cost of living, homelessness, hunger, poverty and unemployment issues.  It's basically Hazzard County with birkenstocks, crap weather and fir trees.  Or Idaho with better roads but worse drivers.  Dealer's choice, same thing.

/ Recovering Oregonian
 
2013-04-06 11:41:26 PM

Amos Quito: Who has executive control over the DOJ and the DEA?

[www.postchronicle.com image 300x286]

All he has to do is stop the enforcement on the Federal level. The rest will fall into place.

He is no longer defending DOMA, yet he refuses to back off on marijuana.

Why?


Do you even Google?
 
2013-04-06 11:43:38 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Honestly, I'd have thought an agriculture state would be the first to give a giant middle finger to the government. Pot grows everywhere and costs almost nothing to keep alive. For the price, farmers would adore planting it.


Heck, go through Kansas and the flat parts of Oklahoma, and you see some obviously tended and rather tall pot plants occasionally mixed in with the sunflowers and corn.  Plus it's not uncommon to just see it growing wild.
 
2013-04-06 11:51:52 PM
Mister Peejay: I was prescribed that stuff a long while back.  All it did was make me throw up and voluntarily watch football.

Yeah, I was stranded at my family's place in Oregon when I had to have a shattered tooth removed and the surgeon prescribed me a rather large dose and a big-ass bottle of that.  I somehow settled on football until my mom came into the room and reminded me that she is paying for NHL Center Ice pretty much because she knew I liked hockey.  So watched like, four or five games straight, then spent what I later learned to be 3 hours staring into space standing in the yard.  That shiat farks me up something bizarro.

It didn't do anything for the pain resulting from having tender flesh sliced apart and then sewed back together into a kind of mangulated oozing zone of swollen despair, so I only ever took the one.

Yeah, didn't do anything for me on that front, either.  Except I just didn't care.  About that, or really, about much of anything else.  That oxycodone was basically a giant case of the farkits in a bottle.  That and I knew I was acting strangely, fully cognizant of it, but couldn't do anything about it.  Nothing worked right outside my head.  I'm just not a fan of dissassociative shiat in general, I feel like I'm going to hurt myself and not care when I'm prescribed that.

Honestly, I'd have much rather just taken a couple BC packets and smoked pot until I couldn't feel my head anymore.  I would have been more together.  Or asleep.  One of the two.
 
2013-04-07 02:10:08 AM

Baloo Uriza: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Honestly, I'd have thought an agriculture state would be the first to give a giant middle finger to the government. Pot grows everywhere and costs almost nothing to keep alive. For the price, farmers would adore planting it.

Heck, go through Kansas and the flat parts of Oklahoma, and you see some obviously tended and rather tall pot plants occasionally mixed in with the sunflowers and corn.  Plus it's not uncommon to just see it growing wild.


That's hemp gone feral.  If you don't know, you can't smoke that stuff and get high, the THC content is too low.
 
2013-04-07 02:20:45 AM

AeAe: Baloo Uriza: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Honestly, I'd have thought an agriculture state would be the first to give a giant middle finger to the government. Pot grows everywhere and costs almost nothing to keep alive. For the price, farmers would adore planting it.

Heck, go through Kansas and the flat parts of Oklahoma, and you see some obviously tended and rather tall pot plants occasionally mixed in with the sunflowers and corn.  Plus it's not uncommon to just see it growing wild.

That's hemp gone feral.  If you don't know, you can't smoke that stuff and get high, the THC content is too low.


Just depends on how much patience you have.  Got a big enough shake box with a screen, it'll still happen.
 
2013-04-07 09:05:30 AM
Baloo Uriza:

Yeah, didn't do anything for me on that front, either.  Except I just didn't care.  About that, or really, about much of anything else.

That's an apt description.  But, I'm already rather good at ignoring physical discomfort to the point where I don't even get hungry anymore - if I don't eat, I don't even notice until I start blacking out from low blood sugar.  So why take the pill?

That and I knew I was acting strangely, fully cognizant of it, but couldn't do anything about it.  Nothing worked right outside my head.  I'm just not a fan of dissassociative shiat in general, I feel like I'm going to hurt myself and not care when I'm prescribed that.

That's how I feel if I get drunk.  I notice my face is numb and I can't see straight or speak clearly or exhibit basic motor control skills... but I'm always fully aware of it, locked inside a body that just doesn't want to work right and getting slightly frustrated about it.  So I don't drink that much.

That's why I found the description of an ether high in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas to be quite amusing, because that's just what ethanol is like to me.
 
2013-04-07 12:55:16 PM

Red_Fox: drayno76: My last company literally informed me of the new random drug testing policy over beers

Don't work for somewhere that drug tests you.  Or move to where I live in Ontario, Canada they don't test anyone here except pilots.  Which makes sense...why would you test a damn regular office cube dweller...and yes I know many states do.  Those states lack freedom.


Or for immigration purposes.

/That was a long month...
 
2013-04-07 12:57:47 PM

Rueened: Well, shockingly, policy is not decided by numbers.


Not directly.
However, policy is decided by people in the government, who are either elected or appointed by those who are elected, and who gets elected is decided by the number of people who vote for which candidate, which in turn is decided by how the voter feels on various issues and on the candidate's position on them.

So, indirectly... yes, here in the United States and other democratic republics, policy is decided by the numbers.
 
2013-04-08 09:06:31 PM

king_nacho: Red_Fox: drayno76: My last company literally informed me of the new random drug testing policy over beers

Don't work for somewhere that drug tests you.  Or move to where I live in Ontario, Canada they don't test anyone here except pilots.  Which makes sense...why would you test a damn regular office cube dweller...and yes I know many states do.  Those states lack freedom.

If a private company wants to test their employees, then that is freedom. Freedom goes both ways, if you want to smoke weed fine. If you want to smoke weed and work at a company where the owner doesn't want employees to smoke weed then you are free to attempt find other employment.


What if I want to work at a company that wont hire red-meat eaters? Does freedom work that way too? Lifestyle choices vs. performance
 
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