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(Giant Freakin Robot)   Some guy named Ron Moore argues why TV Trek is better than Movie Trek   ( ) divider line 8
    More: Interesting, Star Trek, TV Trek, Harlan Ellison, Deep Space Network  
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2336 clicks; posted to Geek » on 04 Apr 2013 at 6:10 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-04-04 06:13:18 PM  
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Car_Ramrod: That's like debating which Kardashian is the best.

Garak, obviously.
2013-04-05 11:09:41 AM  
1 vote:

The only thing I can see in that pic is how freakishly long Patrick Stewart's right arm is.

And now you can't unsee it either.
2013-04-05 01:54:29 AM  
1 vote:

NeoCortex42: AliceBToklasLives: Mugato: AliceBToklasLives: TNG ended well.  What else?

The DS9 ending was great.

Oh sure the final season was terrific.  I'm just referring to the way matters were resolved in the final episode.

Stile4aly: TNG ended well.  What else?

Babylon 5.

Yeah, that's been on my "to see" list for some years now - I realize this is like a film buff saying "I haven't seen Casablanca."

I'm sure you've already heard it, but the pilot movie is really bad and aside from a few episodes, the first season isn't much better. Season 2 picks up in quality quickly, though.

Having recently gone back and watched Seasons 1-4 again, I disagree with this conventional wisdom.  The first season is better than people want to give it credit for, because of the studio cajoling JMS into replacing O'Hare with Boxleitner.  "Soul Hunter", "Parliament of Dreams", and "The War Prayer" are as good as any given episode during the heart of the show's run.  "Mind War", "Signs and Portents", and "Babylon Squared" all do a great job of building the series-wide plot arcs.  And people completely forget "Believers" was a first-season episode.  I think it's up there with some of the best individual sci-fi episodes of that era, right up there with "The Coming of Shadows", TNG's "Inner Light", DS9's "The Visitor", X-Files' "Final Repose"...hell, I'll even add "A Hole in the World" to that short list.

Oh, and to defend the pilot - "The Gathering" was nominated for a Hugo (Best Dramatic Presentation - the standard category for movies and TV) in 1994.  In the history of that category, after the original Star Trek series got eight episodes nominated in three years, only four television programs even got nominated - Six Million Dollar Man, Cosmos, Martian Chronicles, and Next Generation.  And the year "The Gathering" got nominated, it was up against Jurassic Park and Nightmare Before Christmas (FWIW, Groundhog Day also got a nomination that year).  And keep in mind, it wasn't until 2003 that the Hugo committee finally differentiated between long and short form.  And I'd say to get put on the same short list as those three movies is pretty significant.
2013-04-05 01:25:44 AM  
1 vote:
Star Wars was about shiat blowing up. Star Trek was never supposed to be. It was a hit-and-miss endeavor, but ultimately the show was about ideas.

If I were writing a Star Trek movie script, the first restriction I'd give myself would be: No explosions.
2013-04-05 01:01:25 AM  
1 vote:
Back in the day, Star Trek meant something:
Now?  It's just Iron Man, meets Twilight,

/thanks JJ
2013-04-04 07:25:14 PM  
1 vote:

AliceBToklasLives: jonny_q: NeoCortex42: I still love the show, but it's one of those shows where it's best not to think about it too much.

No matter how bad any other SciFi show gets, you'll always be able to say "Well, at least the payoff was better than Lost"

Indeed.  Then again, how many sci-fi shows (or just shows) are able to come up with truly satisfying endings?  DS9?  Nope.  Voyager?  Nope.   BGS rebooted?  Nope.  The X-Files?  Ha!

TNG ended well.  What else?

Babylon 5.
2013-04-04 06:45:48 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: Interesting that he cites Lower Decks as proof.

The problem really is that the best ST episodes are not really Trek, in the exploration sense.  Best of Both Worlds, Inner Light, Chain of Command, In the Pale Moonlight, Duet...

None of those are really pure Trek.  They're fantastic story writing and acting, but aren't really pure.

Bullshiat. TOS wasn't just out there exploring the stars, it was exploring the human condition and political and social commentary through various alien encounters. You can't tell me there isn't plenty of exploration of the human condition or political or social commentary in those episodes you just listed.
2013-04-04 06:28:16 PM  
1 vote:
Because it allows for lazy writing and at the end if you don't know what to do just say it was angels?
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