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(Des Moines Register)   Today's manufactured outrage: Group thinks it's sexist when a team paints the visitor locker room pink. "The pink locker rooms are about shame"   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 46
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2013-04-04 03:03:23 PM  
- Feminism
 
2013-04-04 03:17:31 PM  
It's not sexist.  it's stupid pop psychology by and for imbeciles.  But not sexist.
 
2013-04-04 03:18:28 PM  
Gender Justice...

Get a f*cking job.
 
2013-04-04 03:23:43 PM  
Yeah, it kinda is.  Outraged however is about 3 stages of emotion too far to go with it.  A good old fashion Red Foreman 'dumbass' covers it, and the people trying to argue in this thread that it totes didn't really mean that, super serial.
 
2013-04-04 03:28:02 PM  
When I was in high school, most visitors locker rooms were pink.   Visitors used the women's locker room.   We didn't have the money for special locker rooms for visitors.
 
2013-04-04 03:33:38 PM  
Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy.
 
2013-04-04 03:39:10 PM  
In response, University of Iowa spokesman Tom Moore said the color was chosen "because of the belief that it would have a relaxing and calming effect on the visiting team."


http://www.colormatters.com/color-and-the-body/drunk-tank-pink

And he's pretty much citing accepted research when he says so.  People thrust into a pink room are temporarily calmed, but have a tendency to get even more distracted and agitated when they are taken out of the pink room and put back into normal colors.  In short, he's probably right in saying that a visiting coach will have a harder time inspiring his team in a pink room, followed by a more difficult time keeping his team focused on the field.

Like many things in life, your outrage is a result YOUR insecurity.
 
2013-04-04 03:44:43 PM  
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What a bunch of girlie-men.
 
2013-04-04 03:45:35 PM  
WTH?  Is the attorneys' real argument here that the coach is insulting the color pink, by associating it with femininity?

You have to make a choice here:

1) Is the color pink associated with femininity or can it be broader than that?

If you argue that it is not a feminine color, then the other team shouldn't have a problem with it, right?

If you argue that it is a feminine color, then you yourself are the one enforcing the stereotype, not the coach.
 
2013-04-04 03:53:48 PM  
So, shiat in the floor and smear the walls with poo. See how they like that.
 
2013-04-04 03:54:08 PM  
According to science, they would be better off painting the lockers red.
 
2013-04-04 03:54:35 PM  

plcow: WTH?  Is the attorneys' real argument here that the coach is insulting the color pink, by associating it with femininity?

You have to make a choice here:

1) Is the color pink associated with femininity or can it be broader than that?

If you argue that it is not a feminine color, then the other team shouldn't have a problem with it, right?

If you argue that it is a feminine color, then you yourself are the one enforcing the stereotype, not the coach.


2) Does the coach associate the color pink with femininity? Y'know, the one who ordered the lockers painted because it's "girly" and "sissy"? Then why are you trying to blame the attorneys who come along after it's already been done and are trying to undo it?

/nice try at the concern trolling, though.
 
2013-04-04 04:07:36 PM  

nocturnal001: According to science, they would be better off painting the lockers red.


[citation needed]
 
2013-04-04 04:07:50 PM  
Painting opposing team's lockers pink = sexist
Having girls dance around, wave pom poms and act like eye candy while the boys play ball =  good ol America values I guess

Trees called, they asked you to remember that they are in the forest.
 
2013-04-04 04:09:09 PM  

encyclopediaplushuman: nocturnal001: According to science, they would be better off painting the lockers red.

[citation needed]


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/19/science/19red.html?_r=0">http://ww w.nytimes.com/2005/05/19/science/19red.html?_r=0

Red is associated with dominance culturaly or due to our monkey ancestors having red asses.
 
2013-04-04 04:11:15 PM  
Bondurant-Farrar High School now plans to build its own pink locker room, using money donated to the school by a family that won the Powerball lottery.

All I ever read on FARK is how lottery winners waste their winnings - ha!
 
2013-04-04 04:16:32 PM  
At least one NFL stadium is built so that the visiting team has to go a long way from their locker room to their field entrance, while the home team has a short walk.    This cuts down on halftime usefulness for the visiting team--they have to leave their locker room a few minutes before the home team.
 
2013-04-04 04:16:54 PM  

nocturnal001: According to science, they would be better off painting the lockers red.


Oh pardon me, Mr. Three, why must you paint them red?
 
2013-04-04 04:23:31 PM  
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And just what is wrong with pink?
 
2013-04-04 04:32:44 PM  

nocturnal001: According to science, they would be better off painting the lockers red.


Clint agrees.

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users.erols.com
 
2013-04-04 04:33:43 PM  
bo schembechler used to cover it up with brown paper every time the wolverines were in town.
 
2013-04-04 04:37:52 PM  

plcow: WTH?  Is the attorneys' real argument here that the coach is insulting the color pink, by associating it with femininity?

You have to make a choice here:

1) Is the color pink associated with femininity or can it be broader than that?

If you argue that it is not a feminine color, then the other team shouldn't have a problem with it, right?

If you argue that it is a feminine color, then you yourself are the one enforcing the stereotype, not the coach.


I had the same sentiment until I got to the quotes from the coach. Then the intent was pretty clear.

I'm still baffled by this though:
The use of pink to insult men is a sign of an underlying problem, Gaulding said. It's both sexist and homophobic because it reinforces a notion of masculinity that's focused on being heterosexual, she said.

Defining masculinity as non-feminine? Sure, it does reinforce that. But even saying that a man is not feminine doesn't imply that said man must be attracted to women. That doesn't even make sense. Not all heterosexual men fit the traditional definition of masculine; same goes for homosexual men and feminine. If they were hanging up male centerfolds in the visitor's locker room or something, sure... but in this case? Sort of a stretch.
 
2013-04-04 04:40:16 PM  

Fano: nocturnal001: According to science, they would be better off painting the lockers red.

Oh pardon me, Mr. Three, why must you paint them red?



For some reason I also kept hearing that in my head as I typed.
 
2013-04-04 04:41:21 PM  
Bryant-Denny Stadium, home of the Crimson Tide, visitor locker room named for James Fail

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2013-04-04 04:51:06 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Then the intent was pretty clear.


Sometimes, we worry about the intent of dumb people too much.  The people who were actually responsible for the decision, the ones in control, and the ones with authority, were willing to do it because of a very real perceived psychological phenomena, and that happens to coincide with some relatively recent cultural changes that decided pink was a sissy color.

In fact, that's a new concept, because baby blue was considered a decidedly feminine color invoking thoughts of blue skies, pretty eyes, and soft waters, while pink was considered at least slightly more mannish because it invoked thoughts of being the baby form of red, a manly color.

It wasn't until after WWII that consensus started to switched to our current form, and no one has any idea why the switch suddenly got made so abruptly in the 1930s to 1950s.  Before that, no one cared.

And that's The Straight Dope.
 
2013-04-04 05:04:01 PM  
Make your visiting locker rooms nice. Psych out the other team by making them think you've got lots of money to spend.
 
2013-04-04 05:11:34 PM  

dryknife: Bondurant-Farrar High School now plans to build its own pink locker room, using money donated to the school by a family that won the Powerball lottery.

All I ever read on FARK is how lottery winners waste their winnings - ha!


That school is so small they had to combine multiple high schools to field a team that mostly plays both sides of the ball.
 
2013-04-04 05:11:35 PM  

Mr Guy: ProfessorOhki: Then the intent was pretty clear.

Sometimes, we worry about the intent of dumb people too much.  The people who were actually responsible for the decision, the ones in control, and the ones with authority, were willing to do it because of a very real perceived psychological phenomena, and that happens to coincide with some relatively recent cultural changes that decided pink was a sissy color.


Intent wasn't the right word. I just mean that if the locker room was painted pink and no one there made any comments, the "it's to make them feel like girls!" sentiment is a projection of the stereotypes held by the offendee themselves. On the other hand, painting it pink and having an authority figure at the school say it's like a "girl's bedroom" for "sissies," there's really no way to argue, "well, you're only bothered by it because you brought your own stereotypes with you."
 
2013-04-04 05:20:03 PM  
Back in high school we had exactly two locker rooms: the boys and the girls. During sporting events the visiting team would use other-sex locker room.

The visiting boys used the girl's locker room, which was pink. I do not know if they felt it was sexist.

The visiting girls used the boy's locker room, which they hated, because it was a boy's locker room.
 
2013-04-04 05:22:38 PM  
I don't buy into the "girlie" aspect. It's a psychological trick.

That said, it still qualifies as being a bad host in a competition. Why not line the locker room with pictures of aborted fetuses or abused women or the 9/11 jumper guy? Pipe in odors of perfume and hog shiat? Show extreme porn on the TVs?

None of it is physical harm, right?

It's all just psychological, right?
 
2013-04-04 05:45:15 PM  
Our local amateur hockey team has "ads" behind each bench. The home team has a lumber company with "Studs" in huge letters while the visitor's bench has a floral shop ad with "Pansies" in huge letters.

Thought that was clever.
/CSB
 
2013-04-04 06:57:20 PM  

Mr Guy: In response, University of Iowa spokesman Tom Moore said the color was chosen "because of the belief that it would have a relaxing and calming effect on the visiting team."


In other words, psychological warfare.  Is that cheating?

/get the visitors laid the night before a game
 
2013-04-04 07:14:27 PM  

goatleggedfellow: dryknife: Bondurant-Farrar High School now plans to build its own pink locker room, using money donated to the school by a family that won the Powerball lottery.

All I ever read on FARK is how lottery winners waste their winnings - ha!

That school is so small they had to combine multiple high schools to field a team that mostly plays both sides of the ball.


Pretty much the rule in Iowa.
 
2013-04-04 07:45:00 PM  
Yup. I know people from there and I-35 high school.

I was thinking how much of a waste it'd be to paint their locker room like this. I forgot how much football matters in the boonies.
 
2013-04-04 07:57:41 PM  

Mr Guy: In response, University of Iowa spokesman Tom Moore said the color was chosen "because of the belief that it would have a relaxing and calming effect on the visiting team."


http://www.colormatters.com/color-and-the-body/drunk-tank-pink

And he's pretty much citing accepted research when he says so.  People thrust into a pink room are temporarily calmed, but have a tendency to get even more distracted and agitated when they are taken out of the pink room and put back into normal colors.  In short, he's probably right in saying that a visiting coach will have a harder time inspiring his team in a pink room, followed by a more difficult time keeping his team focused on the field.

Like many things in life, your outrage is a result YOUR insecurity.


Pink? I had always heard that cerulean blue was the peaceful color.
 
2013-04-04 08:13:36 PM  
"It's harmful because the message to the male athletes is that it is bad to be associated with any female traits," said Lisa Stratton, a co-founder of Gender Justice, a nonprofit advocacy organization.


Get a real job.
 
2013-04-04 08:41:50 PM  
Pink can be manly.
 
2013-04-04 09:14:03 PM  

BSABSVR: It's not sexist.  it's stupid pop psychology by and for imbeciles.  But not sexist.


Well colors are supposed to have effects on the brain and its a proven theory so "pop" psychology doesn't really cover it.
 
2013-04-04 10:17:08 PM  
Chicks dig a man who wears pink shirts with "manly" colored pants and coats.  I first learned that in high school.  I never tried pink pants or coats.

I wore a pink t-shirt into a dive bar once.  Russian immigrant barmaid asked, "Are you gay?" and I replied,

"I used to be, but the homosexuals took over that word so now I'm just joyful."

"No, I mean, do you like penis?"

"O, yes!  I've been firmly attached to one all my life, dear."

Every women wants a man who will make her laugh. It's the surest thing of all.
 
2013-04-04 10:20:49 PM  
ThatGuyFromTheInternet:

Pink? I had always heard that cerulean blue was the peaceful color.

Blue for peace, pink for gentle, pleasant titillation.  Blue is coolly aloof, pink is warmly inviting.
 
2013-04-04 11:05:53 PM  
Known for FRESHLY PAINTED Pink locker rooms:

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Nothing sexist about it. It's to calm the other team down.
 
2013-04-05 12:40:04 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: pink is warmly inviting.


I have found this to be the case.
 
2013-04-05 05:44:44 AM  
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2013-04-05 06:17:42 AM  

The Snow Dog: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x363]


Who let all this riffraff into the room?
 
2013-04-05 06:44:11 AM  
Lets stop confusing assholish behavior with sexist/racist/etc. behavior.  I think what this country needs is a reduction in its asshole index.
 
2013-04-05 11:50:29 AM  
Pink is a "girly" color, as in, childish.  If one equates grown women with children than that is their disfunction right there.
 
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