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(Guardian)   Just in time for Record Store Day, new book explores shadowy music of 1970s unsigned artists who pressed their own homemade albums and promptly faded into Bolivia   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 44
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2013-04-04 02:06:06 PM
I only buy albums from Bolivia that were pressed by unsigned artists living in the mountains. They're better than any albums you've ever listened to
 
2013-04-04 02:06:45 PM
therabbitmusic.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-04 02:12:53 PM
What's a "record store?"
 
2013-04-04 02:17:04 PM
Where's the Fark music tab?
 
2013-04-04 02:17:45 PM

JinxofSpades: What's a "record store?"


It's a place where hipsters go to buy obsolete, shiatty objects once widely used to store and play back music before technology advanced and you no longer had to rely on a horrible sounding, easily breakable piece of petroleum full of cracks, pops, and hisses, and swear that the obsolete method of capturing music is superior to everything else.

...but that's not important right now.
 
2013-04-04 02:28:06 PM
cps-static.rovicorp.com
 
2013-04-04 02:40:04 PM

FirstNationalBastard: JinxofSpades: What's a "record store?"

It's a place where hipsters go to buy obsolete, shiatty objects once widely used to store and play back music before technology advanced and you no longer had to rely on a horrible sounding, easily breakable piece of petroleum full of cracks, pops, and hisses, and swear that the obsolete method of capturing music is superior to everything else.

...but that's not important right now.


That..........was great.

/lurker in the WWE threads
 
2013-04-04 02:46:22 PM

JinxofSpades: What's a "record store?"


It's a place you can go to browse and purchase tangible items containing music.
 
2013-04-04 02:50:54 PM
static.guim.co.uk

I once listened to this album. ''Rolling Stones'' were probably true in calling it the worst album of the world. Those girls can play instruments, can't sing, the compositions are atrocious... that's probably one of the most incompetent thing ever pressed onty vynil.

And you can listen to it in full here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqK1CjE9bA
 
2013-04-04 02:53:23 PM
This is a boring story, so I declare this a "Vinyl vs. Digital" thread.
 
kab
2013-04-04 02:55:05 PM

padraig: [static.guim.co.uk image 400x407]

I once listened to this album. ''Rolling Stones'' were probably true in calling it the worst album of the world. Those girls can play instruments, can't sing, the compositions are atrocious... that's probably one of the most incompetent thing ever pressed onty vynil.

And you can listen to it in full here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqK1CjE9bA


Thats... wow..  yeah.
 
2013-04-04 02:59:35 PM

GoldSpider: This is a boring story, so I declare this a "Vinyl vs. Digital" thread.


why can't it be both? I have records, I have digital downloads. I like both. It is my understanding that there is some loss in the digital though, which kind of bums me out, but I do like the ease and simplicity of buying (GASP) new music with a click of a mouse...so I deal with it.
 
2013-04-04 03:00:29 PM
During the Vietnam War, record producers in Vietnam would hire GI musicians (mostly black) to recreate American records they could sell as the originals (why they just didn't bootleg the original vinyl I don't know). My neighbor collects them - used record stores around army bases sometimes have them - and they sound pretty good. He's got one James Brown that sounds almost as good as the real James Brown.
 
2013-04-04 03:08:56 PM

busy chillin': I have records, I have digital downloads.


This. I like both, for different reasons. I listen to my iPod and Spotify at work. I listen to old records and drink whiskey when I want to relax at home.
 
2013-04-04 03:11:30 PM
Top 5 musical crimes perpetrated by Stevie Wonder in the 80s and 90s...
 
2013-04-04 03:20:07 PM
Some are school projects; quite a few are Christian...

This particular trend hasn't stopped... At my last job, we did large format printing, mostly arenas, sporting events, and big tradeshow stuff. We used to do banners and free standing roll-out upright signs. One of our Project Managers somehow acquired the "Religious List" and got all of the strange Jesus bands, even though they worked on a regional basis. I can guarantee you that there was no professional backing behind this stuff even now. The album covers and posters were atrocious, some of the freakiest things I've seen. The all-time winner(And I'm still kicking myself that I didn't save the art, it was THAT bad) was a family that had formed a Gospel band. Mom, Dad, sister and brother. Their little run of art was them all decked out in 60's style airline crew out fits. Dad was the pilot, mom was the copilot, the teenage kids were the stews. It truly had a creepy vibe in some of the pics, you weren't sure that there wasn't some real-life Brady Bunch shiat going on after the camera stopped snapping. Oh, and this was about 5 years ago.
 
2013-04-04 03:26:08 PM

The Goddamn Batman: busy chillin': I have records, I have digital downloads.

This. I like both, for different reasons. I listen to my iPod and Spotify at work. I listen to old records and drink whiskey when I want to relax at home.


I could do that, if I had ever started a record collection. I was a kid of the 70's-80's, we moved on to cassettes mostly, and stuck with them because of their portability. THen we were told that CDs wer the new thing(Unbreakable, wouldn't skip, no matter how badly they were scratched, perfect audio reproduction, etc). Ot wasn't until 95-ish that I started listening to my buddy's albums and he pointed out how much better the audio was from vinyl. Later on, about 2001, I was doing a paper on the whole Napster vs. Metallica thing, and I discovered why the digital audio sounds OK when there is no baseline...

Portable is nice, but I wish I had the setup to get into vinyl...
 
2013-04-04 03:29:52 PM
I've recomended this book in a past thread for anyone interested in exploring obscure or lost music. Some made great music and were in the wrong place at the wrong time and some were just nuts. Get the book and get to youtubin every band mentioned.
 
2013-04-04 03:35:29 PM
Bolivia?

Butch and Sundance recorded an album?
 
2013-04-04 03:37:21 PM
Maybe this is confirmation bias but there are some things that just don't sound right to me on CD. Sabbath Vol 4 would be an example and so would the first Santana record. I can't explain it and I'm about as far from hipster as it gets. Metalhead, yes. Hipster, no.

/under 40
 
2013-04-04 03:41:56 PM

padraig: [static.guim.co.uk image 400x407]

I once listened to this album. ''Rolling Stones'' were probably true in calling it the worst album of the world. Those girls can play instruments, can't sing, the compositions are atrocious... that's probably one of the most incompetent thing ever pressed onty vynil.

And you can listen to it in full here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqK1CjE9bA


The Shaggs have the distinction of being one of two bands whom made me laugh so hard I had to pause it because I was laughing so hard.

Dragonforce was the other.
 
2013-04-04 03:45:09 PM
static.guim.co.uk
Unimpressed
 
2013-04-04 03:51:40 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-04 04:38:17 PM

Enomai: Maybe this is confirmation bias but there are some things that just don't sound right to me on CD. Sabbath Vol 4 would be an example and so would the first Santana record. I can't explain it and I'm about as far from hipster as it gets. Metalhead, yes. Hipster, no.

/under 40


questionable mastering, maybe? I would bet that almost any album that was released prior to about 1993 or so is probably in need of remastering, if it hasn't already been.


as an aside, I've always thought it odd how much the metal scene tries to distance themselves from Hipsters. Aside from some obvious overlap in audiences (i.e. bands like Boris, Sunn O)), etc.), one could argue that Metal's penchant for obscure artists, categorization, and attire could easily land them as some kind of kin to hipsterism.
 
2013-04-04 04:44:54 PM
These are a couple of homemade LP's from my area from back in the day...I find them sometimes and sell them for pretty decent cash..

www.popsike.eu

gearfab.swiftsite.comimg.cdandlp.com
 
2013-04-04 04:56:39 PM

Vacation Bible School: [24.media.tumblr.com image 480x357]


Came for Rex Manning Day, leaving semi satisfied...

/pic of Liv Tyler would have been nice too...
 
2013-04-04 05:04:17 PM

padraig: [static.guim.co.uk image 400x407]

I once listened to this album. ''Rolling Stones'' were probably true in calling it the worst album of the world. Those girls can play instruments, can't sing, the compositions are atrocious... that's probably one of the most incompetent thing ever pressed onty vynil.

And you can listen to it in full here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqK1CjE9bA


I've actually heard that before. They sound like a down syndrome Sonic Youth tribute band.
 
2013-04-04 05:05:59 PM

Enomai: Maybe this is confirmation bias but there are some things that just don't sound right to me on CD. Sabbath Vol 4 would be an example and so would the first Santana record. I can't explain it and I'm about as far from hipster as it gets. Metalhead, yes. Hipster, no.

/under 40


Its all about the mastering.  I agree with you on Sabbath, a lot of their CDs sounded terrible to me too.  No depth at all.  Who knows if they re-mastered anything since the original CD's.
 
2013-04-04 05:10:54 PM

downstairs: Enomai: Maybe this is confirmation bias but there are some things that just don't sound right to me on CD. Sabbath Vol 4 would be an example and so would the first Santana record. I can't explain it and I'm about as far from hipster as it gets. Metalhead, yes. Hipster, no.

/under 40

Its all about the mastering.  I agree with you on Sabbath, a lot of their CDs sounded terrible to me too.  No depth at all.  Who knows if they re-mastered anything since the original CD's.


I know some deluxe editions were released, but I have no idea if remastering was involved.
 
2013-04-04 05:35:33 PM

Mikey1969: The Goddamn Batman: busy chillin': I have records, I have digital downloads.

This. I like both, for different reasons. I listen to my iPod and Spotify at work. I listen to old records and drink whiskey when I want to relax at home.

I could do that, if I had ever started a record collection. I was a kid of the 70's-80's, we moved on to cassettes mostly, and stuck with them because of their portability. THen we were told that CDs wer the new thing(Unbreakable, wouldn't skip, no matter how badly they were scratched, perfect audio reproduction, etc). Ot wasn't until 95-ish that I started listening to my buddy's albums and he pointed out how much better the audio was from vinyl. Later on, about 2001, I was doing a paper on the whole Napster vs. Metallica thing, and I discovered why the digital audio sounds OK when there is no baseline...

Portable is nice, but I wish I had the setup to get into vinyl...


don't believe the "hype".  Can vinyl sound very good?  Absolutely.  However, a properly mastered cd will beat it EVERY farkING TIME.  If you need the "warmth" vinyl provides, you can even master that garbage (hiss, pops, crackle) into the CD.

And vinyl can not come close to modern high definition recording.

Vinyl is "cool", if there is such a thing.  That is all it really has going for it.
 
2013-04-04 05:57:21 PM

frepnog: Mikey1969: The Goddamn Batman: busy chillin': I have records, I have digital downloads.

This. I like both, for different reasons. I listen to my iPod and Spotify at work. I listen to old records and drink whiskey when I want to relax at home.

I could do that, if I had ever started a record collection. I was a kid of the 70's-80's, we moved on to cassettes mostly, and stuck with them because of their portability. THen we were told that CDs wer the new thing(Unbreakable, wouldn't skip, no matter how badly they were scratched, perfect audio reproduction, etc). Ot wasn't until 95-ish that I started listening to my buddy's albums and he pointed out how much better the audio was from vinyl. Later on, about 2001, I was doing a paper on the whole Napster vs. Metallica thing, and I discovered why the digital audio sounds OK when there is no baseline...

Portable is nice, but I wish I had the setup to get into vinyl...

don't believe the "hype".  Can vinyl sound very good?  Absolutely.  However, a properly mastered cd will beat it EVERY farkING TIME.  If you need the "warmth" vinyl provides, you can even master that garbage (hiss, pops, crackle) into the CD.

And vinyl can not come close to modern high definition recording.

Vinyl is "cool", if there is such a thing.  That is all it really has going for it.


Sorry. CD compression removes the highs and lows from the audio waveform. They claimed at the time that these sounds were beyond human range, but they obviously aren't. THat's why people are moving back o vinyl and claiming that it sounds better. It is 100% uncompressed, while CD audio is compressed and loses quality as a result. Your iPod headphones aren't going to pick up the difference, but good speakers will. It's happened in general in music, but a good before/after is to listen to both media on a good system.
 
2013-04-04 07:03:56 PM

Enomai: Maybe this is confirmation bias but there are some things that just don't sound right to me on CD. Sabbath Vol 4 would be an example and so would the first Santana record. I can't explain it and I'm about as far from hipster as it gets. Metalhead, yes. Hipster, no.

/under 40


Over 50 and same experience, especially with the early digital remasters of 50s and early 60s rock. It just sounds wrong.
 
2013-04-04 08:27:51 PM

Mikey1969: Sorry. CD compression removes the highs and lows from the audio waveform. They claimed at the time that these sounds were beyond human range, but they obviously aren't. THat's why people are moving back o vinyl and claiming that it sounds better. It is 100% uncompressed, while CD audio is compressed and loses quality as a result.


"Obviously aren't"? Tell you what, go and see an audiologist and bring back a test result that shows that you are hearing beyond 22Khz (the CD range) because you'll rewrite the book on audiology, that specifies that the highest range of human hearing is ~20Khz.

Go and read what actual audio specialists say about CD vs Vinyl in terms of range. Not people who have bought into the myths about vinyl, but people with instrumentation producing measurable data. People have measured signal to noise ratio, frequency response, harmonic distortion, stereo separation, and for every one, CD has a more accurate production of the source material.

If you like how vinyl sounds, well, OK, but in terms of what can be objectively measured, CD is better.
 
2013-04-04 08:32:27 PM

FirstNationalBastard: It's a place where hipsters go to buy obsolete, shiatty objects once widely used to store and play back music before technology advanced and you no longer had to rely on a horrible sounding, easily breakable piece of petroleum full of cracks, pops, and hisses, and swear that the obsolete method of capturing music is superior to everything else.


I don't miss them at all and I used to love them.

I watched a great documentary about Nile Rodgers last night. So, today at work I went to play some Chic and realised that all I had was Le Freak. Onto Amazon, buy the greatest hits and it's there, in the "cloud player" straight away. Good Times, as you might say.
 
2013-04-04 08:35:46 PM

farkeruk: Mikey1969: Sorry. CD compression removes the highs and lows from the audio waveform. They claimed at the time that these sounds were beyond human range, but they obviously aren't. THat's why people are moving back o vinyl and claiming that it sounds better. It is 100% uncompressed, while CD audio is compressed and loses quality as a result.

"Obviously aren't"? Tell you what, go and see an audiologist and bring back a test result that shows that you are hearing beyond 22Khz (the CD range) because you'll rewrite the book on audiology, that specifies that the highest range of human hearing is ~20Khz.

Go and read what actual audio specialists say about CD vs Vinyl in terms of range. Not people who have bought into the myths about vinyl, but people with instrumentation producing measurable data. People have measured signal to noise ratio, frequency response, harmonic distortion, stereo separation, and for every one, CD has a more accurate production of the source material.

If you like how vinyl sounds, well, OK, but in terms of what can be objectively measured, CD is better.


Music is not exactly an objective thing,is it now?
 
2013-04-04 08:57:52 PM

farkeruk: Mikey1969: Sorry. CD compression removes the highs and lows from the audio waveform. They claimed at the time that these sounds were beyond human range, but they obviously aren't. THat's why people are moving back o vinyl and claiming that it sounds better. It is 100% uncompressed, while CD audio is compressed and loses quality as a result.

"Obviously aren't"? Tell you what, go and see an audiologist and bring back a test result that shows that you are hearing beyond 22Khz (the CD range) because you'll rewrite the book on audiology, that specifies that the highest range of human hearing is ~20Khz.

Go and read what actual audio specialists say about CD vs Vinyl in terms of range. Not people who have bought into the myths about vinyl, but people with instrumentation producing measurable data. People have measured signal to noise ratio, frequency response, harmonic distortion, stereo separation, and for every one, CD has a more accurate production of the source material.

If you like how vinyl sounds, well, OK, but in terms of what can be objectively measured, CD is better.


What you're saying is true in theory but in practice CD's superiority is often exploited to its detriment. The loudness has gotten out of hand. Death Magnetic is a pretty huge example. The vinyl version sounds significantly better to me.

/my .02
 
2013-04-04 09:22:13 PM

padraig: [static.guim.co.uk image 400x407]

I once listened to this album. ''Rolling Stones'' were probably true in calling it the worst album of the world. Those girls can play instruments, can't sing, the compositions are atrocious... that's probably one of the most incompetent thing ever pressed onty vynil.

And you can listen to it in full here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqK1CjE9bA


Wow, took me a minute to figure out what language they were singing .
 
2013-04-04 09:37:09 PM

FirstNationalBastard: JinxofSpades: What's a "record store?"

It's a place where hipsters go to buy obsolete, shiatty objects once widely used to store and play back music before technology advanced and you no longer had to rely on a horrible sounding, easily breakable piece of petroleum full of cracks, pops, and hisses, and swear that the obsolete method of capturing music is superior to everything else.

...but that's not important right now.


If there weren't dozens of people falling over each other to get one last 'Ebert's jaw' joke in today, you would totally win Cockwad of the Day.
 
2013-04-04 10:03:09 PM
Shadowy music?  Of the sort made by Shadowy Men from a Shadowy Planet?

/Music for Having an Average Weekend
 
2013-04-04 10:40:31 PM

padraig: [static.guim.co.uk image 400x407]

I once listened to this album. ''Rolling Stones'' were probably true in calling it the worst album of the world. Those girls can play instruments, can't sing, the compositions are atrocious... that's probably one of the most incompetent thing ever pressed onty vynil.

And you can listen to it in full here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqK1CjE9bA


So I waited all day, got home, smoked a bowl and clicked.

OMGWTFLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLL!!!!

That can't possibly be real?
 
2013-04-05 01:04:07 AM

MFAWG: Music is not exactly an objective thing,is it now?


It is. For example Justin Bieber is 1.0 bieber, The Beatles - 4.0 biebers
 
2013-04-05 02:55:58 AM

LewDux: MFAWG: Music is not exactly an objective thing,is it now?

It is. For example Justin Bieber is 1.0 bieber, The Beatles - 4.0 biebers


slow clap, etc.
 
2013-04-05 10:21:53 AM
This headline hurts my head. It starts out all pedestrian and then takes a completely unexpected turn into abrupt Mike Tyson quote absurdity.

/if Jesus were here, I'd fight him too
 
2013-04-05 11:35:39 AM

Enomai: farkeruk: Mikey1969: Sorry. CD compression removes the highs and lows from the audio waveform. They claimed at the time that these sounds were beyond human range, but they obviously aren't. THat's why people are moving back o vinyl and claiming that it sounds better. It is 100% uncompressed, while CD audio is compressed and loses quality as a result.

"Obviously aren't"? Tell you what, go and see an audiologist and bring back a test result that shows that you are hearing beyond 22Khz (the CD range) because you'll rewrite the book on audiology, that specifies that the highest range of human hearing is ~20Khz.

Go and read what actual audio specialists say about CD vs Vinyl in terms of range. Not people who have bought into the myths about vinyl, but people with instrumentation producing measurable data. People have measured signal to noise ratio, frequency response, harmonic distortion, stereo separation, and for every one, CD has a more accurate production of the source material.

If you like how vinyl sounds, well, OK, but in terms of what can be objectively measured, CD is better.

What you're saying is true in theory but in practice CD's superiority is often exploited to its detriment. The loudness has gotten out of hand. Death Magnetic is a pretty huge example. The vinyl version sounds significantly better to me.

/my .02


the only version of Death Magnetic that is listenable is the Guitar Hero version.  The vinyl is mastered exactly like the cd.  You are fooling yourself.

Do not blame poor mastering on cd's.  The format is excellent and YES it is far superior to vinyl in every measurable way.

/the loudness wars suck.  It isn't the format's fault that people master shiatty recordings.  Properly mastered, cd's sound incredible - and as I said, if you miss the "warmth" of vinyl you can master that bullshiat into the recording and it sounds exactly the same as a vinyl record.
 
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