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(BBC)   Four officers responsible for sinking that US Navy minesweeper have been "reassigned pending investigation." Any predictions on what Aleutian island they're going to be sent to?   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 110
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2013-04-04 01:51:37 PM
Funny.

They'll just go to squadron or TYCOM office duty until they go to Admiral's Mast and probably get IRAD'd, unless they were super-negligent and go to a courts martial.  Then: maybe Leavenworth!

If what the Filipino parks service said is true, they were indeed super-negligent.
 
2013-04-04 02:02:13 PM
The cold one.
 
2013-04-04 02:08:40 PM
It took that long?  The Navy is usually faster.
 
2013-04-04 02:14:53 PM
They'll be forced to do this for the rest of their lives

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2013-04-04 02:39:33 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: It took that long?  The Navy is usually faster.


Usually it just takes as long as needed to get an interim billet holder in their place.  I'd thought they'd abandoned GUARDIAN in place until the salvage team got there; perhaps they kept them onboard to assist in that unpleasantness.
 
2013-04-04 02:50:06 PM

factoryconnection: They'll just go to squadron or TYCOM office duty until they go to Admiral's Mast and probably get IRAD'd


Can you translate IRAD for a clueless civilian
 
2013-04-04 02:50:14 PM

factoryconnection: Fear_and_Loathing: It took that long?  The Navy is usually faster.

Usually it just takes as long as needed to get an interim billet holder in their place.  I'd thought they'd abandoned GUARDIAN in place until the salvage team got there; perhaps they kept them onboard to assist in that unpleasantness.


Perhaps it was because the accident wasn't their fault.
 
2013-04-04 02:50:34 PM
Why were they looking for mines on a coral reef in the first place?
 
2013-04-04 02:50:42 PM
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Arctic Command gets new CO.
 
2013-04-04 02:50:49 PM
The one you can see Russia from.
 
2013-04-04 02:51:36 PM
I hear Greenland is nice this time of never.
 
2013-04-04 02:53:14 PM
But are the strawberries OK
 
2013-04-04 02:53:19 PM

Mr. Breeze: factoryconnection: Fear_and_Loathing: It took that long?  The Navy is usually faster.

Usually it just takes as long as needed to get an interim billet holder in their place.  I'd thought they'd abandoned GUARDIAN in place until the salvage team got there; perhaps they kept them onboard to assist in that unpleasantness.

Perhaps it was because the accident wasn't their fault.


The accident was their fault, there is just some mitigating factors that can help them given that the navigation charts they were told to use are faulty.  However they had access to good charts and ultimately the safety of the vessel is the captain and crews responsibility. The loss of a vessel always seems to take out a few careers.
 
2013-04-04 02:53:53 PM
so does that mean they'll besailing cargo ships full of rubberdog shiat out of Hong Kong for the rest of their career?
 
2013-04-04 02:53:57 PM

factoryconnection: If what the Filipino parks service said is true, they were indeed super-negligent.


What are they saying? I read up on this the other day and couldn't find any stated cause, not even speculation. Bad charts? Language barrier?
 
2013-04-04 02:54:07 PM
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2013-04-04 02:54:44 PM

Spanky3woods: Arctic Command gets new CO.


Curses. Foiled again.
 
2013-04-04 02:55:24 PM

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Arctic Command gets new CO.


Nice!
 
2013-04-04 02:55:39 PM

Daedalus27: Mr. Breeze: factoryconnection: Fear_and_Loathing: It took that long?  The Navy is usually faster.

Usually it just takes as long as needed to get an interim billet holder in their place.  I'd thought they'd abandoned GUARDIAN in place until the salvage team got there; perhaps they kept them onboard to assist in that unpleasantness.

Perhaps it was because the accident wasn't their fault.

The accident was their fault, there is just some mitigating factors that can help them given that the navigation charts they were told to use are faulty.  However they had access to good charts and ultimately the safety of the vessel is the captain and crews responsibility. The loss of a vessel always seems to take out a few careers.


At least the military still does it that way. In the private sector, they'd be given command of the private sector equivalent of a carrier battle group after running the minesweeper aground, and the guy responsible for cleaning the head would be the one looking at losing his job and going to jail.
 
2013-04-04 02:57:23 PM

Daedalus27: The accident was their fault, there is just some mitigating factors that can help them given that the navigation charts they were told to use are faulty. However they had access to good charts and ultimately the safety of the vessel is the captain and crews responsibility. The loss of a vessel always seems to take out a few careers.


Even if it's FULLY not their fault, losing a vessel is always a big black mark.  Doesn't matter if the ship was struck down by the HAND OF GOD HIMSELF.  You lose a ship under your command and you're lucky if you're career isn't permanently over.
 
2013-04-04 02:57:50 PM
They are now in charge of a lighthouse in Kansas.
 
2013-04-04 02:57:52 PM
Which one has the active explodey volcano?  That one.
 
2013-04-04 02:58:04 PM
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onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Probably already answered, but...Deinitely the CO.  As an O4 he probably doesn't have too many people to protect him.  Definitely the OOD, probably the Navigator, maybe the Conning officer, maybe the quartermaster...and if the XO was on the bridge, him too.
 
2013-04-04 02:58:31 PM
I doubt any of them will end up commanding a ship again; the USN is pretty strict when it comes to the command crew making this kind of mistake. Even during wartime, a minor grounding of a warship can result in the captain being relieved of command, even if the ship wasn't damaged.
 
2013-04-04 03:01:50 PM
 
2013-04-04 03:03:39 PM
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2013-04-04 03:04:04 PM
SINCE Capt Stillman is already taken....I'm going with this.....

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2013-04-04 03:04:14 PM
Hey! Adak was a great place to live! I loved it there. Screw you guys.
 
2013-04-04 03:04:32 PM

Bendal: I doubt any of them will end up commanding a ship again; the USN is pretty strict when it comes to the command crew making this kind of mistake. Even during wartime, a minor grounding of a warship can result in the captain being relieved of command, even if the ship wasn't damaged.


The O4 CO will be lucky to stay in the Navy, and if he does there's no hope of promotion.  All the O3s and below will be passed over for O4 and cannot legally be continued on active duty.  There's ZERO chance of them ever commanding anything more than a stapler.
 
2013-04-04 03:06:56 PM

buzzcut73: and the guy responsible for cleaning the head would be the one looking at losing his job and going to jail.


The captain (of the head) always goes down with the ship.

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Heh.  I'll be shocked if he doesn't get dismissed.
 
2013-04-04 03:07:03 PM

Tom_Slick: factoryconnection: They'll just go to squadron or TYCOM office duty until they go to Admiral's Mast and probably get IRAD'd

Can you translate IRAD for a clueless civilian


Involuntary Release from Active Duty
 
2013-04-04 03:07:30 PM
Who can understand Filipinos anyway?  All their women are actually men.
 
2013-04-04 03:08:14 PM

Hansenator: Hey! Adak was a great place to live! I loved it there. Screw you guys.


Why does it have to be some place cold?  I hear Diego Garcia is lovely this time of year.  :P
 
2013-04-04 03:08:25 PM

Bendal: I doubt any of them will end up commanding a ship again; the USN is pretty strict when it comes to the command crew making this kind of mistake. Even during wartime, a minor grounding of a warship can result in the captain being relieved of command, even if the ship wasn't damaged.


You mean like Robert J. Kelley? When he ran the USS Enterprise aground in San Francisco Bay (With George Takei aboard as a distinguished guest no less) in a highly public fiasco, he still made admiral.  He then went on to command a fleet I think.
 
2013-04-04 03:08:41 PM
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I want him manning a radar tower in Alaska by the end of the day. Just mail him his clothes.
 
2013-04-04 03:09:02 PM

airsupport: Who can understand Filipinos anyway?  All their women are actually men.


I thought that was the thais
 
2013-04-04 03:09:14 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Daedalus27: The accident was their fault, there is just some mitigating factors that can help them given that the navigation charts they were told to use are faulty. However they had access to good charts and ultimately the safety of the vessel is the captain and crews responsibility. The loss of a vessel always seems to take out a few careers.

Even if it's FULLY not their fault, losing a vessel is always a big black mark.  Doesn't matter if the ship was struck down by the HAND OF GOD HIMSELF.  You lose a ship under your command and you're lucky if you're career isn't permanently over.


John Kennedy lost his PT boat.
 
2013-04-04 03:09:14 PM
Any predictions on what Aleutian island they're going to be sent to?

The one where the winds are of 7.2 magniturd.
 
2013-04-04 03:09:16 PM
Not to be too picky, but what actually occurred is sort of opposite of the headline in that the ship could not even "sink" in enough water to even float off the reef.
 
2013-04-04 03:09:20 PM
They'll probably be assigned to train the Afghani navy.
 
2013-04-04 03:09:46 PM
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2013-04-04 03:10:14 PM

Tricky Chicken: Bendal: I doubt any of them will end up commanding a ship again; the USN is pretty strict when it comes to the command crew making this kind of mistake. Even during wartime, a minor grounding of a warship can result in the captain being relieved of command, even if the ship wasn't damaged.

You mean like Robert J. Kelley? When he ran the USS Enterprise aground in San Francisco Bay (With George Takei aboard as a distinguished guest no less) in a highly public fiasco, he still made admiral.  He then went on to command a fleet I think.


Guys selected for admiral are annointed--they have topcover.  An O4 skipper of a minesweeper has no such protection.
 
2013-04-04 03:11:09 PM
I'll try that one again.

Any predictions on what Aleutian island they're going to be sent to?

The one where the earthquakes are 7.2 magniturd.
 
2013-04-04 03:11:10 PM

xanadian: Hansenator: Hey! Adak was a great place to live! I loved it there. Screw you guys.

Why does it have to be some place cold?  I hear Diego Garcia is lovely this time of year.  :P


And the chickens' necks are nice and grippable.
 
2013-04-04 03:13:24 PM

Tom_Slick: factoryconnection: They'll just go to squadron or TYCOM office duty until they go to Admiral's Mast and probably get IRAD'd

Can you translate IRAD for a clueless civilian


"Involuntary Release from Active Duty" is what I turned up in my Googling.

As to Subby's question...you remember that scene in Mission: Impossible where Kittridge is talking about the computer operator and he says something to the effect of "I want him manning a radar tower in Alaska by the end of the day"? Yeah, that. That's what'll happen to the CO.

/"Just mail him his clothes..."
 
2013-04-04 03:13:43 PM

J.Shelby: John Kennedy lost his PT boat.


Smaller boat, less noticeable.  Still say he was incompetent for letting his pt boat be t-boned by a destroyer.
 
2013-04-04 03:14:09 PM

Tricky Chicken: Bendal: I doubt any of them will end up commanding a ship again; the USN is pretty strict when it comes to the command crew making this kind of mistake. Even during wartime, a minor grounding of a warship can result in the captain being relieved of command, even if the ship wasn't damaged.

You mean like Robert J. Kelley? When he ran the USS Enterprise aground in San Francisco Bay (With George Takei aboard as a distinguished guest no less) in a highly public fiasco, he still made admiral.  He then went on to command a fleet I think.


The CO of my ship (before I came on board) (1) lost an anchor in Singapore and (2) collided with the ABRAHAM LINCOLN.  He was relieved.  I guess it's all in who you know.
 
2013-04-04 03:14:13 PM

xanadian: Hansenator: Hey! Adak was a great place to live! I loved it there. Screw you guys.

Why does it have to be some place cold?  I hear Diego Garcia is lovely this time of year.  :P


I don't know about Diego but his sister Dora is hawt!
 
2013-04-04 03:15:15 PM

WhoopAssWayne: factoryconnection: If what the Filipino parks service said is true, they were indeed super-negligent.

What are they saying? I read up on this the other day and couldn't find any stated cause, not even speculation. Bad charts? Language barrier?


They had three sets of charts. One of them was wrong. Guess which ones they were using.
 
2013-04-04 03:15:36 PM

J.Shelby: Involuntary Release from Active Duty


Thanks, another clueless question is that as big of a black mark as a Dishonorable Discharge? Is there a difference?
 
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