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2013-04-04 11:54:31 AM
And neither is the Jesus on history channels program. He's from Portugal down South America way.
 
2013-04-04 12:00:32 PM

Ring of Fire: He's from Portugal down South America way.


uh, portugal is in europe. or are you referring to brazil, where they speak portugese?
 
2013-04-04 12:06:59 PM
www.religioustolerance.org

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Hail Ragnar!
 
2013-04-04 12:09:47 PM
He's like a Vorlon... he appears as whatever the person looking at him wants to see.
 
2013-04-04 12:11:12 PM
Also, I never read that John the Baptist was a  Rastafarian and I didn't realize that people in the Middle East sported English accents.
images.christianpost.com
 
2013-04-04 12:13:09 PM
wtf is the "history" channel running this mythology shiat, anyway?
 
2013-04-04 12:17:24 PM
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Nnnnyyesss - as the country club application clearly states, Jews are NOT consider wh-
*gets handed a summons for a discrimination lawsuit*
Oh bollocks.
 
2013-04-04 12:22:05 PM

FlashHarry: wtf is the "history" channel running this mythology shiat, anyway?


Troll all you want, and I am sure you will, but if you don't have to believe in God or Jesus or anything contained in the Bible to appreciate that the contents of that book and the stories it tells have been of paramount historical and cultural significance.  I think you are smart enough to know that.  In fact, I know you are smart enough to know that which leads me to believe that the fact that you constantly say things like that on this subject is rooted in nothing more than a desire to insult people of faith.
 
2013-04-04 12:32:24 PM

FlashHarry: wtf is the "history" channel running this mythology shiat, anyway?


Piles and piles of money.
 
2013-04-04 12:33:17 PM

Nabb1: FlashHarry: wtf is the "history" channel running this mythology shiat, anyway?

Troll all you want, and I am sure you will, but if you don't have to believe in God or Jesus or anything contained in the Bible to appreciate that the contents of that book and the stories it tells have been of paramount historical and cultural significance.  I think you are smart enough to know that.  In fact, I know you are smart enough to know that which leads me to believe that the fact that you constantly say things like that on this subject is rooted in nothing more than a desire to insult people of faith.


not trolling at all. i agree that the historical significance of the bible is incalculable. however, in this series, the bible is being presented as if it were fact, which is bullshiat. not only that, but it is also being presented through the lens of 21st century american protestant christianity.

btw - i have studied the bible, i keep a bible on my iphone, and i have long been fascinated by the bible and its historical impact. i have no desire to insult anyone except the knuckle-dragging mouthbreathers at the "history" channel who produced this show.
 
2013-04-04 12:33:51 PM
History channel. Now with 0% actual history
 
2013-04-04 12:39:48 PM

FlashHarry: Nabb1: FlashHarry: wtf is the "history" channel running this mythology shiat, anyway?

Troll all you want, and I am sure you will, but if you don't have to believe in God or Jesus or anything contained in the Bible to appreciate that the contents of that book and the stories it tells have been of paramount historical and cultural significance.  I think you are smart enough to know that.  In fact, I know you are smart enough to know that which leads me to believe that the fact that you constantly say things like that on this subject is rooted in nothing more than a desire to insult people of faith.

not trolling at all. i agree that the historical significance of the bible is incalculable. however, in this series, the bible is being presented as if it were fact, which is bullshiat. not only that, but it is also being presented through the lens of 21st century american protestant christianity.

btw - i have studied the bible, i keep a bible on my iphone, and i have long been fascinated by the bible and its historical impact. i have no desire to insult anyone except the knuckle-dragging mouthbreathers at the "history" channel who produced this show.


It is not being presented as fact.  They say it's basically a combination of many different versions of the Bible right there at the beginning of each episode.  I watched some of it the other night with my wife.  It wasn't too bad.

Yeah, Satan really did look like Obama.  I'm not gonna lie. I didn't think so, but then we watched it and we both laughed and said that probably had some people pretty irritated.
 
2013-04-04 12:40:32 PM
This is now a creepy Jesus thread.

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2013-04-04 12:45:43 PM

FlashHarry: Ring of Fire: He's from Portugal down South America way.

uh, portugal is in europe. or are you referring to brazil, where they speak portugese?


I know it's from Arrested Devlopment.
Although (I think not sure) Portugal is the only European country to be governed from the Americas.
 
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2013-04-04 12:48:29 PM

EasyWind: Also, I never read that John the Baptist was a  Rastafarian and I didn't realize that people in the Middle East sported English accents.
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Whoa!  Watch the nipple dude!
 
2013-04-04 12:50:35 PM

Nabb1: a desire to insult people of faith.


Okay, I know this isn't FlashHarry's point...but, why aren't people of faith worthy of insult?

Faith is delusional thinking.  Sure, it's popular delusional thinking -- which is why some people are taken aback when it's classed together with belief in Bigfoot or fairies, but, it's essentially the same thing.

People of faith are people who believe in something, without evidence, simply because they want it to be true.
 
2013-04-04 12:58:12 PM
"The Bible" is not a "true" or "accurate" depiction of events.

The book or the mini-series?
 
2013-04-04 12:59:17 PM
Who the fark ever met the guy? He could be friggin purple!
 
2013-04-04 12:59:23 PM

Ring of Fire: FlashHarry: Ring of Fire: He's from Portugal down South America way.

uh, portugal is in europe. or are you referring to brazil, where they speak portugese?

I know it's from Arrested Devlopment.
Although (I think not sure) Portugal is the only European country to be governed from the Americas.


If you are referring to when the Portuguese court was in Brazil, you are correct. It's no longer governed from the Americas though.

If you're going to Portugal, it's due south.
 
2013-04-04 01:00:28 PM

eraser8: Nabb1: a desire to insult people of faith.

Okay, I know this isn't FlashHarry's point...but, why aren't people of faith worthy of insult?

Faith is delusional thinking.  Sure, it's popular delusional thinking -- which is why some people are taken aback when it's classed together with belief in Bigfoot or fairies, but, it's essentially the same thing.

People of faith are people who believe in something, without evidence, simply because they want it to be true.


Well, there are elements of faith that require more of a suspension of disbelief than others. Part of the problem is that "faith" means both "to accept even without evidence" (a synonym of "belief") and "a system of beliefs" (a synonym for "religion").

There are elements of religious faith that seek to answer morally ambiguous questions or produce moral lessons (like Aesop's fables) - things like "how much to repay someone who injures you". There are others that dictate what is and is not moral - things like "eating shellfish". The former has many answers, any one of which may bring relief to the injured party; the latter establishes morality where previously there might have been none, and for what appear as capricious reasons (sure, it's possible the dietary laws were born because "eating this stuff made some people sick that one time", but we don't really know for sure, do we?).

One may accept the philosophy (the former) without accepting the latter ("matters of faith"; the relationship between you/mankind and god).

// a question of philosophy needs AN answer, even "do nothing"
// a question of faith presupposes god
 
2013-04-04 01:02:09 PM

FlashHarry: wtf is the "history" channel running this mythology shiat, anyway?


Because there is a good chance that there was an influential philosopher around at the time, and he changed a lot in the world. Even if you do't believe in religion, it doesn't mean that the guy who was walking the walk 2,000 years ago isn't of important historical significance.
 
2013-04-04 01:02:25 PM

Lee's_Austin: "The Bible" is not a "true" or "accurate" depiction of events.

The book or the mini-series?


Either. Jesus Christ was actually the first and only alien visitation to earth. They transmigrated his consciousness into a human baby and his life and times were a 30some year long version of 3rd Rock from the Sun. He grew frustrated at the primitive humans that just fight and rape eachother, and tried to teach us peace and love, but we strung his alien ass up. Galactic civilization decides we are primitive, disgusting primates, hardly better than the animals we slaughter, who will soon enough consume the earth like locusts and die off, so the write us off and never return.

The end.
 
2013-04-04 01:04:35 PM

Mikey1969: Because there is a good chance that there was an influential philosopher around at the time, and he changed a lot in the world.


No, not really. Some other dudes who claimed his authority did, however. Jesus didn't accomplish anything in his life.
 
2013-04-04 01:05:16 PM

Lego_Addict: If you're going to Portugal, it's due south.


Due south of where?
 
2013-04-04 01:05:18 PM

Lego_Addict: Ring of Fire: Although (I think not sure) Portugal is the only European country to be governed from the Americas.

If you are referring to when the Portuguese court was in Brazil, you are correct. It's no longer governed from the Americas though.

If you're going to Portugal, it's due south.


Touche, guess I meant to say "to have been.."
 
2013-04-04 01:05:22 PM

Mikey1969: FlashHarry: wtf is the "history" channel running this mythology shiat, anyway?

Because there is a good chance that there was an influential philosopher around at the time, and he changed a lot in the world. Even if you do't believe in religion, it doesn't mean that the guy who was walking the walk 2,000 years ago isn't of important historical significance.


You mean the one with no contemporary records of his existing other than the book written 300 years later? That "historical figure".
 
2013-04-04 01:05:32 PM

Nabb1:  the contents of that book and the stories it tells have been of paramount historical and cultural significance.

thismomentinblackhistory: Piles and piles of money.


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2013-04-04 01:05:53 PM

Dr Dreidel: Part of the problem is that "faith" means both "to accept even without evidence" (a synonym of "belief") and "a system of beliefs" (a synonym for "religion").


I was using the Biblical definition of faith.
 
2013-04-04 01:07:46 PM
Jesus was white and Satan was black. That's specifically what the the viewers of this tripe insisted on seeing.

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2013-04-04 01:13:01 PM
The only glaring part that I did a WTF was this decission was to put the apostle John as the writer of Revelations.  Most everything else I watched I could either suspend disbelief or see as edited for brevity.  I did enjoy how they got Satan right though.
 
2013-04-04 01:13:21 PM

Mikey1969: FlashHarry: wtf is the "history" channel running this mythology shiat, anyway?

Because there is a good chance that there was an influential philosopher around at the time, and he changed a lot in the world. Even if you do't believe in religion, it doesn't mean that the guy who was walking the walk 2,000 years ago isn't of important historical significance.


This.

I may not like religion and I don't believe in Jesus' divinity but I recognize him as a historical figure. There is so much from his life that we do not know, anything that promotes interest in his life is good with me.

Although, it would be cool if the History channel had some actual academic standards for it's History.
 
2013-04-04 01:14:51 PM
Jesus was black.

1. He called everyone "brother"
2. He wrote the lyrics to Gospel music
3. He couldn't get a fair trial
4. Lived at home until he was 30, was homeless for 2 years, then ended up on Death Row
5. He was always hanging out with hookers
 
2013-04-04 01:16:26 PM
I saw much of the Bible and enjoyed it for being just absolutely ridiculous.

The scene where the angels are trying to find honorable men in Sodom is farking hysterical.  The men of the city attack them and one of them, an Asian angel, slowly pulls two shortswords from scabbards on his back and goes at them 300 style, slicing and stabbing in slow motion.   I was howling.

I also like that Samson was a 300 lb. guy with dreadlocks.  He did a whole lot of 300 style melee with the jawbone of an ass.   But if people want to complain about white Jesus that's cool.   I was rather gobsmacked that they actually lightened the actor's hair to play Jesus.  That was just over the top.
 
2013-04-04 01:17:17 PM

Resin33: Jesus was black.

1. He called everyone "brother"
2. He wrote the lyrics to Gospel music
3. He couldn't get a fair trial
4. Lived at home until he was 30, was homeless for 2 years, then ended up on Death Row
5. He was always hanging out with hookers


6. Ate lots of chicken and watermelon?
 
2013-04-04 01:17:30 PM
Sweet, hot Jesus!

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2013-04-04 01:18:01 PM

eraser8: Dr Dreidel: Part of the problem is that "faith" means both "to accept even without evidence" (a synonym of "belief") and "a system of beliefs" (a synonym for "religion").

I was using the Biblical definition of faith.


...which has both definitions. I've read my Bible, sir, and the word "faith" does not appear once (the Hebrew for it probably does...).

Did you mean by "why aren't people of faith worthy of insult?" to say "Why aren't people who believe the literal words in the Bible are incontrovertible facts worthy of insult?", my response is that Jewish scholars for a thousand years have very much been ridiculing that position (even though others, to one degree or another, support it - the Talmudic-era Saducee tradition died off [since restarted] and most traditions apply some degree of interpretation to the texts).

It may be a popular position now, but it's been worthy of ridicule for a long damned time.

// there is a reason the Oral Tradition is so important to Judaism (even if Reform/Conservative Jews don't believe in its divinity, they likely adhere to several of its rulings/rules, even without realizing it) - to provide explanations (sometimes conflicting ones) for these stories, and to provide the morals where they might have been unclear
 
2013-04-04 01:18:16 PM

Ring of Fire: Lego_Addict: Ring of Fire: Although (I think not sure) Portugal is the only European country to be governed from the Americas.

If you are referring to when the Portuguese court was in Brazil, you are correct. It's no longer governed from the Americas though.

If you're going to Portugal, it's due south.

Touche, guess I meant to say "to have been.."


I didn't mean it to come off like that. Have you studied Portuguese or Brazilian history?

Mikey1969: Lego_Addict: If you're going to Portugal, it's due south.

Due south of where?


It's from arrested development.
 
2013-04-04 01:22:28 PM
What?  History Channel isn't accurate?

But, there really are alien ghost yetis, right?  RIGHT?
 
2013-04-04 01:22:29 PM
Whenever there is a Fark "Jesus isn't white" thread, there is someone who always brings out that "historically accurate" pic of what the real Jesus would look like that always make him look like he should be in a dirty tank top, selling food from a side street.

If I want to see a Middle Eastern Jewish Jesus, I'd rather keep on the trend of "Hot Jesus" that people have started. But instead of the usually Nordic, pretty blonde, blue eyed Jesus, I am just going to imagine Oded Fehr circa The Mummy.

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2013-04-04 01:25:57 PM

Dr Dreidel: ...which has both definitions. I've read my Bible, sir, and the word "faith" does not appear once (the Hebrew for it probably does...).


Hebrews 11:1:  Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

Or, if you prefer KJV:  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

How about RSV:  Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

NCV:  Faith means being sure of the things we hope for and knowing that something is real even if we do not see it.

Heck, let's go all Jehovah's Witness up in this biatch and check out the New World Translation:  Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld

So, I have to ask: which Bible are you using?
 
2013-04-04 01:26:05 PM
He was white if you are a Republican...


/ducks
 
2013-04-04 01:27:48 PM
I'm particularly struck by how "The Bible" really goes over the top to portray the Romans as unwilling partner's in the execution of Jesus. They really want to make it all the Jew's fault. Even Mel Gibson, a known anti-Semite, showed the Jews more favorably.
 
2013-04-04 01:28:58 PM

dameron: I saw much of the Bible and enjoyed it for being just absolutely ridiculous.

The scene where the angels are trying to find honorable men in Sodom is farking hysterical.  The men of the city attack them and one of them, an Asian angel, slowly pulls two shortswords from scabbards on his back and goes at them 300 style, slicing and stabbing in slow motion.   I was howling.

I also like that Samson was a 300 lb. guy with dreadlocks.  He did a whole lot of 300 style melee with the jawbone of an ass.   But if people want to complain about white Jesus that's cool.   I was rather gobsmacked that they actually lightened the actor's hair to play Jesus.  That was just over the top.


I sat down to watch the show and I was thinking hey its the bible, should be family friendly.  And then the blood fountains went off and I had to change the channel real quick.  Checked in a little later and oh this seems sedate... "Where is he going with his son?  Why is he laying on a pile of sticks?  What are they going to do?".  The bible, not family friendly.
 
2013-04-04 01:29:40 PM

eraser8: So, I have to ask: which Bible are you using?


Dude...you missed the joke. Read the rest for my actual point.
 
2013-04-04 01:29:47 PM
Sorry, "History" Channel, Jesus wasn't white

Yeah, but his dad is.
 
2013-04-04 01:30:40 PM

Lego_Addict: Ring of Fire: Lego_Addict: Ring of Fire: Although (I think not sure) Portugal is the only European country to be governed from the Americas.

If you are referring to when the Portuguese court was in Brazil, you are correct. It's no longer governed from the Americas though.

If you're going to Portugal, it's due south.

Touche, guess I meant to say "to have been.."

I didn't mean it to come off like that. Have you studied Portuguese or Brazilian history?

Mikey1969: Lego_Addict: If you're going to Portugal, it's due south.

Due south of where?

It's from arrested development.


LOL, Ok. Never got into it. I missed it at the beginning, and it seemed like it wasn't a good show to jump into the middle of. As I understand it, it was my loss, I hear a lot of good things about it.
 
2013-04-04 01:32:04 PM

dameron: I saw much of the Bible and enjoyed it for being just absolutely ridiculous.

The scene where the angels are trying to find honorable men in Sodom is farking hysterical.  The men of the city attack them and one of them, an Asian angel, slowly pulls two shortswords from scabbards on his back and goes at them 300 style, slicing and stabbing in slow motion.   I was howling.

I also like that Samson was a 300 lb. guy with dreadlocks.  He did a whole lot of 300 style melee with the jawbone of an ass.   But if people want to complain about white Jesus that's cool.   I was rather gobsmacked that they actually lightened the actor's hair to play Jesus.  That was just over the top.


Are just these scenes online somewhere? Sounds like fun...
 
2013-04-04 01:33:39 PM

Loucifer: Sorry, "History" Channel, Jesus wasn't white

Yeah, but his dad is.


LOL, I was coming here to say just that...
 
2013-04-04 01:34:37 PM
This really burns my chittlins, History channel. Casual mentions of "the historical Jesus" makes people think that there is documentation outside the Bible. Lots of people assume there are records in Roman and Jewish archives that support the story of a renegade religious leader in that place at that time.

There aren't. Period.

We might as well be discussing the hair color of the Seven Dwarves and what kind of hat Dopey really wore.
 
2013-04-04 01:35:49 PM

neongoats: Mikey1969: FlashHarry: wtf is the "history" channel running this mythology shiat, anyway?

Because there is a good chance that there was an influential philosopher around at the time, and he changed a lot in the world. Even if you do't believe in religion, it doesn't mean that the guy who was walking the walk 2,000 years ago isn't of important historical significance.

You mean the one with no contemporary records of his existing other than the book written 300 years later? That "historical figure".


Nah, there's a lot that backs up the Bible itself in reference to historical events(As opposed to shy wizard events). Also, even if the book was 100% fiction, it has impacted the planet to an amazing degree, crawling into every aspect of our lives. I would call that "historical". It's ok. I can say these things and still not believe in God because I am able to see both sides of a situation and understand that world is not black and white.
 
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