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(Mother Jones)   Remember the school shooting in 2010 at Hastings Middle School in Minnesota that left six students dead? Me either. But if you do, the National Rifle Association would REALLY like you to corroborate the story they apparently pulled out of their ass   (motherjones.com) divider line 37
    More: Asinine, Hastings Middle School, NRA, Minnesota, school shootings, Columbine High School, Dennis Van Roekel  
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16433 clicks; posted to Main » on 04 Apr 2013 at 1:11 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-04-04 01:18:28 PM
6 votes:

Molavian: Huh, I'm surprised that they're using liberal tactics.


Potato/10
2013-04-04 12:16:26 PM
4 votes:
National
Rampage
Association
2013-04-04 01:16:16 PM
3 votes:
I find the NRA more credible than anything a gun control advocate has ever said.
2013-04-04 01:27:23 PM
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Molavian: Huh, I'm surprised that they're using liberal tactics.

Potato/10


You realize he thinks you rated him "infinity"?
2013-04-04 01:21:58 PM
2 votes:

royone: factoryconnection: Credibility is flexible when you're addressing an echo chamber.

That might carry more weight in a different thread. One that isn't using Mother Jones as a source, for example.


doubled99: Mother Jones, huh?
I guess we'll be linking to National Review next. Oh, wait...


Shoot the messenger in a gun thread... LOL
2013-04-04 01:20:42 PM
2 votes:
Mother Jones, huh?
I guess we'll be linking to National Review next. Oh, wait...
2013-04-04 01:20:01 PM
2 votes:

Virtue: I find the NRA more credible than anything a gun control advocate has ever said.


That's got to be an incredibly low bar you have.
2013-04-04 10:10:34 PM
1 votes:

BigNumber12: Greylight: No one except as a desperate point would claim that Canadian freedom/constitution came about because of Queen Elizabeth's aversion to the cost of "upkeep" for Canada or the loss of an American colony by violence some 200 years previously. Talk about ethnocentric.



Oh Canada!


That's one convert. Pick up you touque and poutine card at the L.C. eh.
2013-04-04 04:06:00 PM
1 votes:

Virtue: I find the NRA more credible than anything a gun control advocate has ever said.


Well you have shown how untrustworthy you are, thanks for the tip.
2013-04-04 03:39:49 PM
1 votes:

hdhale: You are totally and completely discounting over 200 years of American history is no big deal. Gun ownership, and most particularly the gun as a tool of self-defense, is completely ingrained into the culture, more so than even booze. Do you honestly expect people will cheerfully surrender their guns? No. You will have just sent up the 'GO!' flag for every black helicopter type who will work to subvert the government that put it into place. You'll have hundreds of Wacos and Ruby Ridges across the country and as the body count of innocent civilians goes ever higher, the government will naturally be forced to crack down (there went your civil liberties...) and that will create even more rebellion. Only now, instead of semiautos, people will be arming up with selective fire REAL assault weapons...why not? If you are going to face off against Federal commandos, might as well be armed like them, and make no mistake there are any number of arms dealers that will cheerfully flood the black market with cheaply priced or free M-16s, AK-47s, military grade sniper rifles (don't think that Iran or North Korea or even Russia would hesitate to subsidize it? think again), or whatever the rebels want. A significant percentage of the US public will cheer them on and provide them quiet aid and comfort.

I don't think you want that and neither do I. This nation is in danger of blowing apart into sectionalism and eventual civil war.


This sounds like a very reasonable and rational post.
2013-04-04 03:27:34 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: Giltric: Freedom is a little messy...and the alternative is no freedom. Do you enjoy your freedoms? They were bought and paid for via the gun.

Maybe next time you can fight for your own freedoms using a poem...let me know how that turns out.

Whoa, watch out, we got a badass over here.

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U so mad.

Your tears nourish me and keeps the dust off my front sight you are my personal Sgt. York.
2013-04-04 03:18:17 PM
1 votes:

GameSprocket: Giltric: GameSprocket: Giltric: Freedom is a little messy at times....would you like citations.

Freedom from what, overcrowding?

Rights...freedoms....like freedom of speech.

Would you abandon it if it would have saved this girls life?
Her name was Eden Wormer.

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How about this girl...her name was Phoebe Prince. Would you sacrifice your right to free speech if it would bring her back?

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I wouldn't. But thats me.

Are you implying that gun ownership is how we progress as a society? Because that is what the First Amendment gives us. Or, are you trying to say that gun victims commit suicide by throwing themselves into bullets?

Your apple still looks like an orange to me.


No I am implying that firearms ownership is an inalienable, enumerated right, and that rights are not something you erase over emotion or polling.

I believe it is the keystone that allows you to keep all your other rights it is the last box you turn too when the soap, ballot and jury box fail.

Freedom is a little messy...and the alternative is no freedom. Do you enjoy your freedoms? They were bought and paid for via the gun.

Maybe next time you can fight for your own freedoms using a poem...let me know how that turns out.
2013-04-04 02:55:26 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Freedom is a little messy at times....would you like citations.

So we should just settle for these shootings?

No, we can't do anything like strengthen background checks and keep better track of who buys a gun! Because that restricts freedom somehow!

Give me access to the database so I don't have to involve a thrid party who will charge me for a F2F transfer and  make the background check and transfer free, and keep no records of the transaction...ie no registry....let me keep my own transfer records to prove I sold a gun or purchased one legitimately.

Deal?


If we can't trust a farker who is in to dead kiddie porn to not forge documentation, who can we trust?
2013-04-04 02:53:54 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: National
Rampage
Association


Simple, self-righteous and ignorant.  You win.
2013-04-04 02:31:44 PM
1 votes:
Damn, now we don't have the right to bear arms any more.  Maybe one day one of the asshole groups that fights against the 2nd amendment will slip up and say something that is factually incorrect so that we can have our 2nd amendment rights again..
2013-04-04 02:14:01 PM
1 votes:
For example, in 2010 a 16-year-old attacker killed six people hiding in a locked classroom in Hastings Middle School in Minnesota by shooting and subsequently stepping through a tempered glass window that ran vertically alongside the classroom door.


It's called a "sidelite," you barbarians.
2013-04-04 02:13:59 PM
1 votes:
ok, for the third time:

i50.tinypic.com
2013-04-04 02:09:17 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Another day, another set of lies from gun advocates.  Shocking.


Oh, sorry. I thought you said "gun control" advocates and were referring to the shrill cries of blood in the streets from these deadly assault weapons when the FBI tells use their illegal use is at an all time low.
2013-04-04 02:09:11 PM
1 votes:
The story if continued may read something like this; Then the hero of the day went home and his girlfriend saw his tiny penis and gasped but he pulled out his huge gun and she had an orgasm.
2013-04-04 02:05:33 PM
1 votes:

maxx2112: It never happened, except that it did happen, just somewhere else, and with more dead and injured. By conflating two actual events, the NRA is engaging in fear and fantasy, the 2nd amendment is automatically expunged, and everyone at the NRA has to send an apology letter to James Brady.


Well, that's pretty stupid. As long as some vaguely similar event happened somewhere at some time, you can use it to prove your argument? Just wait til the MPAA finds out that they can claim that illegal copying of "Wreck It Ralph" led the the murder of millions of Jews.
2013-04-04 01:59:44 PM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: tlchwi02: arguments about what precisely to do about gun control aside, i can not in any world see how making schools armored fortresses with armed guards is in any way, shape or form a rational response to school shootings

If we do something about the guns themselves, or try anything that has to do with the guns themselves, it's destroying the Constitution and all of the hobbyists, doomsday preppers, and rednecks explode about Obama personally coming to take their guns and toss them into a portable smelter while ordering criminals and Muslims to ransack their homes and rape their children. So turning elementary schools into armed gulags is the most reasonable plan that doesn't impose on anyone's gun rights.

I'm on both sides of this issue, but we can all agree that SOMETHING needs to be done that ISN'T either taking all the guns away (which is NEVER going to happen, no matter how much people conspiracy theorize about it) or turning every home, business, and factory into a prison-fortress. I've posted a list I've made of things that can be done many times before that doesn't include either of those, but someone always shoots them all down because of money or time or because they think they're stupid, so apparently I'm the only one who stands in the middle ground.


Honest question: why are we talking about the guns?

Seriously. Last time I heard there was going to be a look into mental health policy in this country so we could de-stigmatize and provide treatment and get people sane before they ever went off the deep end.

Now, it's back to assault weapons bans... again. We've had these laws before, and Columbine happened smack-dab in the middle of the Federal ban that was law from 1994-2004. We're sitting here like superstitious natives blaming inanimate objects.
2013-04-04 01:59:44 PM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Mrtraveler01: It's easy to mistake "broke through a school window and killed 6 students" from "was subdued by school authorities before any shots broke out"

For Godsakes, the truth backs up the point they were trying to make and they still had to resort to lying?!?!

This.  Could be a mistake.  But here's the official link to the document.  Page 48.  Or search for 'Hastings'

http://www.nraschoolshield.com/NSS_Final_FULL.pdf


I don't see how it could be anything but a mistake. Unless the NRA is really the National Secure Window Association who will say anything to sell those overpriced windows that don't really make anyone safer and actually kill our kids.
2013-04-04 01:53:10 PM
1 votes:
For those who want to read the NRA report for yourselves, it's here:
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/670907-133630146-nra-s-nation al -school-shield-report.html#document/p1/a97899

The example cited is on page number 48 (69 of the document, but the page number at the bottom of the page is 48). It is used to bolster the argument that windows should be secured.

Those bastards are trying to lie us into secure windows in our schools!
2013-04-04 01:38:42 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: National
Rampage
Association


People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

HAWHAW
2013-04-04 01:35:05 PM
1 votes:
So....start your OWN rifle association.

What. Too busy munching on welfare cheese?
2013-04-04 01:33:37 PM
1 votes:

Virtue: I find the NRA more credible than anything a gun control advocate has ever said.


to be fair, in this case NRA is an asian NWA coverband
2013-04-04 01:29:24 PM
1 votes:

neversubmit: fuhfuhfuh: Both sides of the current gun debate seem to enjoy resorting to appeals to emotion, slippery slopes and outright fabrications to try to defend their positions. Doesn't make either side right, or make either side look like they are anything but knee-jerk reactionaries.

Which side has a body count?


The side with all the gun free zones that people keep getting murdered in because they are not allowed to defend themselves with equal force.
2013-04-04 01:28:05 PM
1 votes:
I don't really get putting in the effort of lying and myth making. Just openly state that you own congress and there is jack shiat anyone is going to do about it. Kick over the podium and leave.
2013-04-04 01:27:38 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: They have citations to back up what they're saying though


Have you ever read through some of their citations?

It's like an email to Time Cube printed on a cocktail napkin.
2013-04-04 01:26:50 PM
1 votes:

fuhfuhfuh: Both sides of the current gun debate seem to enjoy resorting to appeals to emotion, slippery slopes and outright fabrications to try to defend their positions. Doesn't make either side right, or make either side look like they are anything but knee-jerk reactionaries.


Which side has a body count?
2013-04-04 01:25:58 PM
1 votes:

GleeUnit: I think it's funny how these threads always bring new trolls just out of the woodwork.  It's almost as if backing up the NRA and shouting down their critics is their only reason for being here.  Strange, no?


i thought it was to shout at gun owners about their alleged penis size. it seems to be the only thing gun haters know to say.
2013-04-04 01:25:36 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: FTA: "That's a less useful story for the NRA, though, whose modus operandi is to call for more guns by appealing to fear and fantasy."

fear and fantasy
fear and fantasy
FEAR AND FANTASY

Isn't that what the entire "rational discussion about firearms" consists of?



Hahahaha ZING!

Don't forget the new and improved "Common sense legislation", which takes not one gun out of any criminal's hands.   That's brilliant.
2013-04-04 01:22:26 PM
1 votes:

Wadded Beef: Take away emotion and gun sales plummet control has nothing left to be based upon.


FTF everyone.
2013-04-04 01:19:46 PM
1 votes:

factoryconnection: Credibility is flexible when you're addressing an echo chamber.  I am always thrown when someone, columnists often, begins an address with a big, whopper of a lie or warping of the truth, because if they follow it up with what I had previously thought to be true, I then start questioning what I thought about it.  As in, these assholes ruin otherwise perfectly-good facts by using them to support a fallacious claim.

Now, when I point that out, people in the target audience of the writer squeal because I'm stuck on "small details" and whatnot.  It is somewhat scary at times... and no, I don't just see this among republicans.  I do see it a lot among republicans, though.


You know who else talked about big lies being easier to spread than little lies...
2013-04-04 01:18:56 PM
1 votes:
FTA: "That's a less useful story for the NRA, though, whose modus operandi is to call for more guns by appealing to fear and fantasy."

fear and fantasy
fear and fantasy
FEAR AND FANTASY


Isn't that what the entire "rational discussion about firearms" consists of?
2013-04-04 01:15:50 PM
1 votes:
Huh, I'm surprised that they're using liberal tactics.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-04 12:09:39 PM
1 votes:
If a "fact" comes from the NRA, chances are that it isn't a fact at all.
 
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