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2013-04-04 12:25:12 PM

genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: sex AND beer

That's like PB&J!

Wait for it:

Sex, beer, and PB&J.

Messiest sammiches ever.

Bring a tarp!

And it will weed out the peanut allergy people!!

EVERYONE WINS!!!!

You mentioned tarps in another thread.  You know who else liked tarps...


That's why I mentioned it again;)

And I laughed really hard at that image and scared the residence in the mental home I work at. Oops. TIME FOR MEDS EVERYONE!
 
2013-04-04 12:25:25 PM
Well, I'm a nice guy but I try to suppress it by drinking a shiat ton.
 
2013-04-04 12:26:20 PM

Magnanimous_J: Tatterdemalian: Will it help if I come out and say that submitter is supporting all those guys that are responsible for pelting the poor ladies who just want to be respected for their accomplishments with so many bad pickup lines and sexual propositions that it drives them to tears every night?

So stay passive and cowardly?


Don't mind if I do.

/not all that good at it
//but I've been at it so long, I can't even think of a reason to quit any more
 
2013-04-04 12:26:47 PM

Grables'Daughter: WelldeadLink: ms_lara_croft: Is this going to be the thread where nice guys come out and say women won't go out with them because all women want only jerks?

Nope. Because we nice guys get the girls after they realize the other guy is a jerk.

Some of us will never realize this, sadly.


Some of us are still waiting for this to ever actually happen.

:`(
 
2013-04-04 12:26:50 PM

megarian: And I laughed really hard at that image and scared the residence in the mental home I work at.


And that would be why your text comes up pink.
 
2013-04-04 12:28:29 PM
The best article ever written on the subject of Nice Guys:

But If We Started Dating It Would Ruin Our Friendship Where I Ask You To Do Things And You Do Them

I really like you. I do. You're so nice, and sweet, and you listen to all my problems and respond with the appropriate compliments. But, well, I don't really see a relationship in our future. It would be terrible if we let sex destroy this great friendship we have where I get everything I want and you get nothing you want. Don't you think?

I knew you would understand. You always do.

We're so perfect as friends, you know? I can tell you anything, and you know you can always come to me anytime you need to hear me biatch about work or how ugly I feel. You wouldn't want to ruin a friendship like that just so you could be my boyfriend, and have me look at you with desire and longing in my eyes, if only once-would you? Of course not. Well, if we started dating, it would only complicate this wonderful setup I've got going here.

It's just...you're like my best friend, and I would hate for something you desperately want to change that. I mean, sure, we could go on some dates, maybe mess around a little and finally validate the six years you've spent languishing in this platonic nightmare, but then what? How could we ever go back to the way we were, where I take advantage of your clear attraction to me so I can have someone at my beck and call? That part of our friendship means so much to me.

No. We are just destined to be really, really good friends who only hang out when I don't have a boyfriend, but still need male attention to boost my fragile and all-consuming ego.

Anything can happen once you bring romance in. Think about how awful my last relationship was at the end, remember? The guy I'd call you crying about at 3 a.m. because he wouldn't answer my texts? The guy I met at the birthday party you threw me? I had insanely passionate sex with him for four months and now we don't even talk anymore. God, I would die if something like that happened to us.

Plus, ick, can you even imagine getting naked in front of each other? I've known you so long, you're more like a brother that I've drunkenly made out with twice and never mentioned again. It'd be way too weird. And if we did, then whenever you'd come shopping with me, or go to one of my performances or charity events, or take me for ice cream when I've had a bad day at work, you'd be looking at me like, "I've seen her breasts." God, I can't think of anything more awkward that that.
Oh, before I forget, my mom says hi.

Anyway, you would totally hate me as your girlfriend. I'd be all needy and dramatic and slowly growing to love you. If I was your girlfriend, I would never be able to tell you all about the other asshole guys I date and pretend I don't see how much it crushes you. Let's never lose that. That's what makes us us.

Don't worry. You're so funny and smart and amazing, any girl but me would be lucky to date you. You'll find someone, I know it. And when you do, I'll be right by your side to suddenly become all flirty and affectionate with you in front of her, until she grows jealous and won't believe it when you say we're just friends. But when she dumps you, that's just what we'll be.
 
2013-04-04 12:29:39 PM

Phins: Rapmaster2000: Killer Cars: ms_lara_croft: Then there is the fact that "nice guys" and jerks are the same thing.

Yeah, I'd be wary of any dude who would gladly self-identify as a "nice guy". There's plenty of honest-to-goodness nice guys out in the world, but they come in all different shapes, sizes and styles. Then you have the "nice" guys, where "nice" is really code for "attempts to use emotional manipulation to get what they want" and their idea of "nice" is not based in altruism or generosity whatsoever.

Here's a tip to all the "nice guys".  The jerk is honest.  You're not.

Here's another tip(s): get a good haircut, shave, take a shower and get some decent clothes.

Also, stop confusing "nice" and "creepy."


Here's another tip(s): get a good haircut, (don't be bald, balding or have a hairstyle that isn't "this week"), shave, (be tall, VERY TALL), take a shower, (be DUMB) and get some decent clothes, (give me your spending money).    Also, drive a hot car, have drugs and cash readily available, beat me every once in a while, and have sex with every female relative I have.  At least that's what all the NJ women seemed to want in the 80's and 90s.
 
2013-04-04 12:30:03 PM

ms_lara_croft: reillan: ms_lara_croft: Grables'Daughter: WelldeadLink: ms_lara_croft: Is this going to be the thread where nice guys come out and say women won't go out with them because all women want only jerks?

Nope. Because we nice guys get the girls after they realize the other guy is a jerk.

Some of us will never realize this, sadly.

Then there is the fact that "nice guys" and jerks are the same thing.

some of us nice guys aren't jerks.  Of course, we're also not likely to bemoan the fact that girls only date jerks, because we'd be jerks for saying that... but still.

Oh, I know. I've met plenty of nice guys who are actually nice guys and they get on with women just fine. It's the "nice guys" who complain that women won't go out with them (i. e., have sex with them) because women supposedly date only jerks. Those "nice guys" have entitlement issues, amongst other things.


Indeed.

I used to refer to myself as a nice guy, but I gave that up once the common meaning of that meant 'passive-aggressive entitled misogynist". Although I feel I still get some shiat indirectly because of these "nice guys". People sometimes assume that I'm not actually nice and am just feigning it to hide my motives. I guess people just have a hard time believing nice people exist.

In a similar vein, I used to consider myself someone who believed in men's rights (not male supremacy or anything, just fair and equal treatment for anyone, I'd consider myself a feminist too)... then I realized that that term groups you in with some bad, bad people.
 
2013-04-04 12:32:42 PM
Freeforever's post reminded me of the perks of being a wallflower. Decent movie, but that dude should have pounded Emma with his wand before she went back to hogwartz
 
2013-04-04 12:34:55 PM
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2013-04-04 12:35:01 PM
2MS: Grables'Daughter: LeroyBourne: The author should have just thrown it out and said no strings attached sex is easy, but relationships are hard, so lets just discretely bang.

But that's exactly what I got out of the article.

Hey, nice to see you around. You make things more interesting.


Thank you for that.
 
2013-04-04 12:36:18 PM

Rapmaster2000: Killer Cars: ms_lara_croft: Then there is the fact that "nice guys" and jerks are the same thing.

Yeah, I'd be wary of any dude who would gladly self-identify as a "nice guy". There's plenty of honest-to-goodness nice guys out in the world, but they come in all different shapes, sizes and styles. Then you have the "nice" guys, where "nice" is really code for "attempts to use emotional manipulation to get what they want" and their idea of "nice" is not based in altruism or generosity whatsoever.

Here's a tip to all the "nice guys".  The jerk is honest.  You're not.


Wow, generalize much?

Here's a tip to all the princesses out there who fill their FB timeline with those "All a girl really wants" images: you're still looking for the same type of guy you just got rid of because this time you really do know how to fix him.  And that same type of guy is still the "hot" alpha-jerk who sometimes remembers to move his feet off the coffee table when you're vacuuming because gosh he really can be sweet when no one else is looking but nobody understands him like you do.
 
2013-04-04 12:37:03 PM

freeforever: The best article ever written on the subject of Nice Guys:

imgs.xkcd.com
/ftfy
 
2013-04-04 12:38:54 PM
skeptos:
I blame John Hughes. His movies ruined a generation of young men by giving them unrealistically high expectations about teenage romance

Interesting.  His films were also somewhat racist and depicted poor people in a bad light.  Still, I have a fondness for 16 Candles and B-fast Club.

If I may chime in on the whole nice guy versus bad guy debate.  I didn't date much in HS and college. I was the nice guy and pretty naive. When I got out and was working and paid fairly well (good amount of discretionary cash), I was much more confident to the point of being sort of a jerk (I sort of wince how I was at the time).  But my dating was finally very good.  Don't get me wrong.  I followed certain dating rules to a tea - always paying for the girl on the first several dates, be a gentleman, dress well, know good places for coffee dates, dinners and favorite bars, etc.  Women like confidence even to the point of being slightly arrogant or pretend type A (I'm not a type A personality, but its perception on those early dates).  Seems obvious, but I think a lot of guys whose dating isn't great seem to forget this stuff.  As for sex, generally I don't try to go for making out or getting laid on a first date (unless there are clear signals that WILL happen). And it puts the gal at ease that I'm a "nice" person.  And they generally give it up after date 3.  Sure, not all girls like that and I had my share of rejections and lousy dates.

Anyhow, I'm married now and that stuff is in the past.  But yeah, being an overly nice person never worked for me. And it's my fallback personality with women, AND it almost never works.  They never respect you for being a doormat. Just my .02.
 
2013-04-04 12:39:11 PM

Theaetetus: freeforever: The best article ever written on the subject of Nice Guys:
[imgs.xkcd.com image 686x953]
/ftfy


Honestly, you're both right.
 
2013-04-04 12:39:29 PM

freeforever: The best article ever written on the subject of Nice Guys:

But If We Started Dating It Would Ruin Our Friendship Where I Ask You To Do Things And You Do Them

I really like you. I do. You're so nice, and sweet, and you listen to all my problems and respond with the appropriate compliments. But, well, I don't really see a relationship in our future. It would be terrible if we let sex destroy this great friendship we have where I get everything I want and you get nothing you want. Don't you think?

I knew you would understand. You always do.

We're so perfect as friends, you know? I can tell you anything, and you know you can always come to me anytime you need to hear me biatch about work or how ugly I feel. You wouldn't want to ruin a friendship like that just so you could be my boyfriend, and have me look at you with desire and longing in my eyes, if only once-would you? Of course not. Well, if we started dating, it would only complicate this wonderful setup I've got going here.

It's just...you're like my best friend, and I would hate for something you desperately want to change that. I mean, sure, we could go on some dates, maybe mess around a little and finally validate the six years you've spent languishing in this platonic nightmare, but then what? How could we ever go back to the way we were, where I take advantage of your clear attraction to me so I can have someone at my beck and call? That part of our friendship means so much to me.

No. We are just destined to be really, really good friends who only hang out when I don't have a boyfriend, but still need male attention to boost my fragile and all-consuming ego.

Anything can happen once you bring romance in. Think about how awful my last relationship was at the end, remember? The guy I'd call you crying about at 3 a.m. because he wouldn't answer my texts? The guy I met at the birthday party you threw me? I had insanely passionate sex with him for four months and now we don't even talk anymore. God, I would ...


I think the whole "nice guys" thing is that no matter how wonderful, awesome, or attentive a dude is, a girl cannot be expected to sleep with them or even date them. Someone doesn't want to date you, they don't want to date you. That doesn't make them callous or insensitive. It means they want different things. Maybe it ends up that there's an unhealthy dynamic between the guy and the girl resulting, but it's caused by wanting different things, not because the girl's an evil succubus. Why would a gal tell an obliging male friend to beat it?

Just think about it in reverse... a girl hangs out with a guy all the time. She has a total crush, but he's just not into it. Is he friend-zoning her? Leading her on? No, it's idiotic to think just because the parts fit together that sex should be owed.

\Is being nice so hard that it deserves a gold star at all times?
 
2013-04-04 12:41:20 PM
i'm still a virgin at age 33, and yeah that really sucks and it sure as hell isn't by choice.  i look back at my college years and just cringe when i realize what an idiot i was.  you know what really killed my chances of ever getting laid in college?  i don't drink alcohol and i only hung out with my little group of friends.  of course i never got laid!  there were plenty of women there that would have been interested in me if i had just been more social.  go to a party, have a few drinks, find a girl who is by herself and start talking to her.  sex and relationships are not that complicated, but my god was i clueless in college.  and since i've still never had sex, you could argue i'm still pretty clueless right now.  but my opportunities for sex dwindled away as soon as i graduated, because i was no longer surrounded by lots of women my age that i already had things in common with.  and now that i'm 33 the odds of getting laid are virtually nonexistent, since women aren't interested in a virgin my age, no matter how dashing and handsome i am.  what really hurts me though isn't the fact i've never had sex, it's that i want to have children very badly, and every day that dream gets farther and farther from ever becoming a reality.
 
2013-04-04 12:41:49 PM

freeforever: The best article ever written on the subject of Nice Guys:

But If We Started Dating It Would Ruin Our Friendship Where I Ask You To Do Things And You Do Them

I really like you. I do. You're so nice, and sweet, and you listen to all my problems and respond with the appropriate compliments. But, well, I don't really see a relationship in our future. It would be terrible if we let sex destroy this great friendship we have where I get everything I want and you get nothing you want. Don't you think?

I knew you would understand. You always do.

We're so perfect as friends, you know? I can tell you anything, and you know you can always come to me anytime you need to hear me biatch about work or how ugly I feel. You wouldn't want to ruin a friendship like that just so you could be my boyfriend, and have me look at you with desire and longing in my eyes, if only once-would you? Of course not. Well, if we started dating, it would only complicate this wonderful setup I've got going here.

It's just...you're like my best friend, and I would hate for something you desperately want to change that. I mean, sure, we could go on some dates, maybe mess around a little and finally validate the six years you've spent languishing in this platonic nightmare, but then what? How could we ever go back to the way we were, where I take advantage of your clear attraction to me so I can have someone at my beck and call? That part of our friendship means so much to me.

No. We are just destined to be really, really good friends who only hang out when I don't have a boyfriend, but still need male attention to boost my fragile and all-consuming ego.

Anything can happen once you bring romance in. Think about how awful my last relationship was at the end, remember? The guy I'd call you crying about at 3 a.m. because he wouldn't answer my texts? The guy I met at the birthday party you threw me? I had insanely passionate sex with him for four months and now we don't even talk anymore. God, I would ...


Turn out the lights, thread over.

One day I'll learn.
 
2013-04-04 12:45:55 PM

theurge14: Rapmaster2000: Killer Cars: ms_lara_croft: Then there is the fact that "nice guys" and jerks are the same thing.

Yeah, I'd be wary of any dude who would gladly self-identify as a "nice guy". There's plenty of honest-to-goodness nice guys out in the world, but they come in all different shapes, sizes and styles. Then you have the "nice" guys, where "nice" is really code for "attempts to use emotional manipulation to get what they want" and their idea of "nice" is not based in altruism or generosity whatsoever.

Here's a tip to all the "nice guys".  The jerk is honest.  You're not.

Wow, generalize much?

Here's a tip to all the princesses out there who fill their FB timeline with those "All a girl really wants" images: you're still looking for the same type of guy you just got rid of because this time you really do know how to fix him.  And that same type of guy is still the "hot" alpha-jerk who sometimes remembers to move his feet off the coffee table when you're vacuuming because gosh he really can be sweet when no one else is looking but nobody understands him like you do.


Dude, just stop.  Here's how to be the nice guy that you imagine yourself to be and be an alpha-male that you'd like to be without being a jerk.

Do.what.you.want.  Always do what you want.  Do you like hearing that girl whine about her jerk boyfriend?  No, you don't.  So stop it.  Do you like waiting for her to figure out that you're the perfect guy and that she needed to be with you all along?  No, you hate waiting.  Stop waiting.  Go do something else that you would rather do instead.

That's not being a jerk.  That's living your life.  People respect that.
 
2013-04-04 12:50:38 PM

enderthexenocide: i'm still a virgin at age 33, and yeah that really sucks and it sure as hell isn't by choice.  i look back at my college years and just cringe when i realize what an idiot i was.  you know what really killed my chances of ever getting laid in college?  i don't drink alcohol and i only hung out with my little group of friends.  of course i never got laid!  there were plenty of women there that would have been interested in me if i had just been more social.  go to a party, have a few drinks, find a girl who is by herself and start talking to her.  sex and relationships are not that complicated, but my god was i clueless in college.  and since i've still never had sex, you could argue i'm still pretty clueless right now.  but my opportunities for sex dwindled away as soon as i graduated, because i was no longer surrounded by lots of women my age that i already had things in common with.  and now that i'm 33 the odds of getting laid are virtually nonexistent, since women aren't interested in a virgin my age, no matter how dashing and handsome i am.  what really hurts me though isn't the fact i've never had sex, it's that i want to have children very badly, and every day that dream gets farther and farther from ever becoming a reality.


If you're 33 and assuming you have a job, your own place, etc., I'd say you're actually in a pretty good spot, especially if you pursue women your own age, whose biological clocks are ticking ever more loudly.  The idea that everyone must lose their virginity by 19 or whatever is a relatively recent cultural thing.
 
2013-04-04 12:51:13 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: unlikely: The trick, then, was figuring out your percentage honestly, so you'd know where to aim.

Also called the 8-2 rule, meaning wherever you are on the scale of 1 to 10, you can reasonably shoot for a two point gap. Meaning if your an 8, you might get a 9 or settle for a 7.

Now us sociopaths like myself however, recognize the power of social manipulation. We realize that humans are pack animals and often influenced by decisions in the group and those decisions are often about competition. For instance, when women go out they often invite their friends however invariably their friends often tend to be people either slightly or some degree less attractive than them. Friendships tend to follow that 8-2 rule as well.

So what do sociopaths do? We manipulate this by shooting not for the 9, but her friend who is an 8 or 7. We ignore the hottest one in the group and invalidate her superiority amongst her group. Essentially we take her down several levels. What this does is elevate that 7 to top of the group and any decision she makes the group follows. So if you talk to the 7 and win her charm, you've almost instantly won the charm of the group.

Does it seal the deal, no but its a chink in the armor of the girls night out groups.


But a smart 9 knows what you are doing.

Had a fairly cute man try to pull this on me at a girl's night out. He was hitting on my 6 & 7 friends and flirting hard. My friends ate up the attention because they didn't see his game. I pretty much ignored him. At the end of the night when we were leaving he tried to talk to me but I had no use for his games.

Too bad. He was cute and I 'd have given him my number and gone out with him if he'd been upfront and honest.

/I'm not saying I'm always a 9 but for men who like my type I seem to be a 9. I'm about a 6 to men who prefer tall, skinny, vapid blondes and I'm fine with that.
 
2013-04-04 12:51:19 PM
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2013-04-04 12:52:03 PM

enderthexenocide: i'm still a virgin at age 33, and yeah that really sucks and it sure as hell isn't by choice.  i look back at my college years and just cringe when i realize what an idiot i was.  you know what really killed my chances of ever getting laid in college?  i don't drink alcohol and i only hung out with my little group of friends.  of course i never got laid!  there were plenty of women there that would have been interested in me if i had just been more social.  go to a party, have a few drinks, find a girl who is by herself and start talking to her.  sex and relationships are not that complicated, but my god was i clueless in college.  and since i've still never had sex, you could argue i'm still pretty clueless right now.  but my opportunities for sex dwindled away as soon as i graduated, because i was no longer surrounded by lots of women my age that i already had things in common with.  and now that i'm 33 the odds of getting laid are virtually nonexistent, since women aren't interested in a virgin my age, no matter how dashing and handsome i am.  what really hurts me though isn't the fact i've never had sex, it's that i want to have children very badly, and every day that dream gets farther and farther from ever becoming a reality.


Dude, virginity isn't something worn on your sleeve. If you never bring it up and don't act shy and weird about sex, no one would ever know.
 
PJ-
2013-04-04 12:53:25 PM

enderthexenocide: i'm still a virgin at age 33, and yeah that really sucks and it sure as hell isn't by choice.  i look back at my college years and just cringe when i realize what an idiot i was.  you know what really killed my chances of ever getting laid in college?  i don't drink alcohol and i only hung out with my little group of friends.  of course i never got laid!  there were plenty of women there that would have been interested in me if i had just been more social.  go to a party, have a few drinks, find a girl who is by herself and start talking to her.  sex and relationships are not that complicated, but my god was i clueless in college.  and since i've still never had sex, you could argue i'm still pretty clueless right now.  but my opportunities for sex dwindled away as soon as i graduated, because i was no longer surrounded by lots of women my age that i already had things in common with.  and now that i'm 33 the odds of getting laid are virtually nonexistent, since women aren't interested in a virgin my age, no matter how dashing and handsome i am.  what really hurts me though isn't the fact i've never had sex, it's that i want to have children very badly, and every day that dream gets farther and farther from ever becoming a reality.


By the sounds of it, you are just as much of an idiot you are now as you were in college.  You think that being 33 decreses your odds of getting laid?  Girls our age are looking to get plowed just as much as they were in college, in fact, they are probably looking to get some more than they were in college.  Hell, thanks to Fifty Shades of Grey, there are plenty of 30ish year old women who have turned into sex fiends.

Who cares you haven't gotten your dinky stinky yet?  Just don't mention it, and you will be fine.  It's also not the fact that you are virgin that decreases your odds, it's the fact that you make it a conversation point with women.  Want to have kids, start hanging out at a bar, pick up a few test girls so you can learn a thing or two, then start looking for that special someone.  Stop putting women on a pedestal, they want to have sex just as much as you do.  Stop giving them a reason to look at you like a creeper.
 
2013-04-04 12:53:29 PM

theurge14: Rapmaster2000: Killer Cars: ms_lara_croft: Then there is the fact that "nice guys" and jerks are the same thing.

Yeah, I'd be wary of any dude who would gladly self-identify as a "nice guy". There's plenty of honest-to-goodness nice guys out in the world, but they come in all different shapes, sizes and styles. Then you have the "nice" guys, where "nice" is really code for "attempts to use emotional manipulation to get what they want" and their idea of "nice" is not based in altruism or generosity whatsoever.

Here's a tip to all the "nice guys".  The jerk is honest.  You're not.

Wow, generalize much?

Here's a tip to all the princesses out there who fill their FB timeline with those "All a girl really wants" images: you're still looking for the same type of guy you just got rid of because this time you really do know how to fix him.  And that same type of guy is still the "hot" alpha-jerk who sometimes remembers to move his feet off the coffee table when you're vacuuming because gosh he really can be sweet when no one else is looking but nobody understands him like you do.


What a nice guy you are.
 
2013-04-04 12:54:02 PM
Hi, my name is Claire. I remember this one time at school five of us all got detention. I was a 'good girl' and never been in trouble much. To make matters worse we all had to come in on a Saturday. The assistant principal told us not to speak to one another and then told us he wanted us to write a thousand word essay!
Well one thing led to another and before I knew what happened we were smoking some marijuana. That stuff must have been laced with some angel dust or something because before I knew what happened, the 'criminal' looking guy was unbuttoning my blouse and squeezing my breasts with his big dirty fingers. He was wearing those 'bad-boy' fingerless gloves and I could smell the motorcycle grime and sweat rising off my heaving chest. The touch of the edges of the leather brushing up against my sensitive nipples sent waves of pleasure across my chest and down my legs. But before I could even speak, the athletic guy was unbuttoning my belt and my long skirt fell around my boots.

Without a word the brainy kid dropped to his knees as I began to fall to the floor of the library. My legs were weakened and wobbly as the three young men guided my limp body onto the floor. The jock took off his letter jacket and placed it under my head. Meanwhile the bad boy slid off my blouse and bra. He cupped my breasts and squeezed with just the right amount of pressure. As his large hands circled my orbs, I became keenly aware of his every touch. The seams of the leather gloves lightly creased the tips of my nipples and they began to swell and warm. As the football player slid down my panties the young nerdy boy began unzipping my boots. He ran his small smooth hands all over my calves and feet. As he tugged off my socks, he slid my gently kissed each toes ans I could feel my self slipping away into abandon. The tough kid and the jock knelt over me and squeezed my arms, shoulders, and hands. I was so at ease when suddenly, the quiet basket-case girl lifted my head for the jacket and placed it in her lap. She smiled and her eyes glistened warmly. I was completely enamored with her gaze and I knew instantly she was tender and loving. She gently stroked my hair as she lightly kissed my face, ears and neck.

I moaned and cooed ever so slightly. I felt just like a real princess being pampered by her loyal attendants. I was so engaged in the moment I barely noticed that each of my fellow classmates were removing all their clothing. The crazy girl brushed my face with her eyelashes and short pixie hair. She bestowed kiss after kiss. Small sweet pecks at first, but soon her tongue licked the corners of my mouth and probed the creases of my lips. I felt her warm tongue slip deep into my open mouth and probed like a hungry snake. The biker guy was obviously a total breast man. He was fully obsessed by my chest. He would cup my breasts and softly knead them and then lightly pinch my nipples between his thumb and index finger. Occasionally, he would glide the edges of his nails along my rib cage and tickle me 'just enough' to make me squirm, but not so to distract me from all the attention I was receiving. Meanwhile, the muscular jock slid his hands along my inner thighs and groin. He was in no hurry and I recognized at once the touch of an experiences and giving lover. He massaged me softly and only occasionally would his fingers find their way near my vagina. At first he only tapped and slid one or two fingers over my quivering mound. My mind raced at the anticipation knowing soon his skilled fingers would part my lips to probe me further. I was soaking wet. For the first time I knew what it meant to experience primal want. I felt 'hot' down there and I could already anticipate the  touch of his hands, mouth and tongue. The brainy guy was skinny but really sweet. I could feel his bulging penis as he pressed my bare feet deeply against his groin. He sucked and nibbled each toe but also carefully massaged and rubbed my feet with the expertise of a guy that liked a well-turned ankle.

I could no longer conceal my excitement. I used my hands to pull Allison's head towards my own. Each time her tongue sawed in and out of my mouth, I would moan and hum. John Bender cupped each breast but began to rub his large cock on top of my chest, as well. He tugged at each nipple... not enough to hurt, but he certainly had my complete attention. Andrew worshiped me with his mouth and tongue. He wrote the entire Phoenician alphabet on my gushing clit and his tongue parted me like Moses on the shores of the Red Sea. I began to shake with orgasms that sent wave after wave of electricity across my entire body. I could feel my feet squinching and toes curling as I came each time. I was suddenly aware between the waves of climax that Brian the bookworm was tickling the soles of my feet as he ejaculated between my toes. Since they all ate me up from my head to the tips of my toes, we called that day, "The Breakfast Club".

We only met once, but it changed our lives forever.
 
2013-04-04 12:55:54 PM
Where did I say I was in need of that advice?

I was taking exception to your blanket statement that nice guys aren't honest.

Don't you think it's possible that women aren't being honest when they list all the reasons nice guys creep them out when it's simply a matter of attraction?  "All you care about is if she's hot" is the common refrain guys hear, wouldn't you say it's dishonest for women to say that looks don't matter to them too?

A simple experiment can be made.  Get three people, one ugly guy, one attractive guy, and one girl on her birthday. Have both guys give the girl the same birthday present.  Observe her reaction.

As they say, it is what it is.
 
2013-04-04 12:57:06 PM
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2013-04-04 12:57:43 PM

Dahnkster: We only met once, but it changed our lives forever.


img203.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-04 12:57:48 PM

freeforever: The best article ever written on the subject of Nice Guys:

But If We Started Dating It Would Ruin Our Friendship Where I Ask You To Do Things And You Do Them

I really like you. I do. You're so nice, and sweet, and you listen to all my problems and respond with the appropriate compliments. But, well, I don't really see a relationship in our future. It would be terrible if we let sex destroy this great friendship we have where I get everything I want and you get nothing you want. Don't you think?

I knew you would understand. You always do.

We're so perfect as friends, you know? I can tell you anything, and you know you can always come to me anytime you need to hear me biatch about work or how ugly I feel. You wouldn't want to ruin a friendship like that just so you could be my boyfriend, and have me look at you with desire and longing in my eyes, if only once-would you? Of course not. Well, if we started dating, it would only complicate this wonderful setup I've got going here.

It's just...you're like my best friend, and I would hate for something you desperately want to change that. I mean, sure, we could go on some dates, maybe mess around a little and finally validate the six years you've spent languishing in this platonic nightmare, but then what? How could we ever go back to the way we were, where I take advantage of your clear attraction to me so I can have someone at my beck and call? That part of our friendship means so much to me.

No. We are just destined to be really, really good friends who only hang out when I don't have a boyfriend, but still need male attention to boost my fragile and all-consuming ego.

Anything can happen once you bring romance in. Think about how awful my last relationship was at the end, remember? The guy I'd call you crying about at 3 a.m. because he wouldn't answer my texts? The guy I met at the birthday party you threw me? I had insanely passionate sex with him for four months and now we don't even talk anymore. God, I would ...


Yup, that pretty much sums it up. The key is seeing its heading that direction and bailing. Sounds cold but heres the deal...if you like someone, and they like you, and you dont hit it within the first few weeks...its not gonna happen, bail.

Relationships take work to maintain, not to start.
 
2013-04-04 12:57:50 PM

Lorelle: theurge14: Rapmaster2000: Killer Cars: ms_lara_croft: Then there is the fact that "nice guys" and jerks are the same thing.

Yeah, I'd be wary of any dude who would gladly self-identify as a "nice guy". There's plenty of honest-to-goodness nice guys out in the world, but they come in all different shapes, sizes and styles. Then you have the "nice" guys, where "nice" is really code for "attempts to use emotional manipulation to get what they want" and their idea of "nice" is not based in altruism or generosity whatsoever.

Here's a tip to all the "nice guys".  The jerk is honest.  You're not.

Wow, generalize much?

Here's a tip to all the princesses out there who fill their FB timeline with those "All a girl really wants" images: you're still looking for the same type of guy you just got rid of because this time you really do know how to fix him.  And that same type of guy is still the "hot" alpha-jerk who sometimes remembers to move his feet off the coffee table when you're vacuuming because gosh he really can be sweet when no one else is looking but nobody understands him like you do.

What a nice guy you are.


Being honest is being nice.  I'm pretty sure that's the point of all this discussion.
 
2013-04-04 12:58:34 PM

Dahnkster: Why I'll bet an epileptic girl or a shaky Parkinson's patient would be more fun than a sack full of kittens.


Well, certainly not so many claws. A bag of kittens sounds like some serious CBT to me. No, thank you.

And that "shaky" comment reminds me of a very rude joke involving a couple with cerebral palsy, and hotel bell-boy, and the punchline, "Okay....CUT HER LOOSE!"
 
2013-04-04 01:02:17 PM

theurge14: Being honest is being nice.  I'm pretty sure that's the point of all this discussion.


My point is, you're generalizing about the "princesses." :)
 
2013-04-04 01:04:00 PM
1960s: Age of Free Love - I'm a child
1970s: Sex, Drugs and Rock n Roll - I'm  pimply pre-teen more interested in Star Trek.
1980-2000s: BAM! Aids. Casual sex nose dives. - NOW I'm old enough and ain't getting much.
2013: Hookup Culture - Married 25 years. Ain't getting much.

FML
 
2013-04-04 01:04:39 PM

enderthexenocide: i'm still a virgin at age 33, and yeah that really sucks and it sure as hell isn't by choice.  i look back at my college years and just cringe when i realize what an idiot i was.  you know what really killed my chances of ever getting laid in college?  i don't drink alcohol and i only hung out with my little group of friends.  of course i never got laid!  there were plenty of women there that would have been interested in me if i had just been more social.  go to a party, have a few drinks, find a girl who is by herself and start talking to her.  sex and relationships are not that complicated, but my god was i clueless in college.  and since i've still never had sex, you could argue i'm still pretty clueless right now.  but my opportunities for sex dwindled away as soon as i graduated, because i was no longer surrounded by lots of women my age that i already had things in common with.  and now that i'm 33 the odds of getting laid are virtually nonexistent, since women aren't interested in a virgin my age, no matter how dashing and handsome i am.  what really hurts me though isn't the fact i've never had sex, it's that i want to have children very badly, and every day that dream gets farther and farther from ever becoming a reality.


While not as bad as your story I also have the "don't drink" and huge social introvert issue going for me which hasled to a very small number of partners over the years. I don't have much to offer in the way of advice just condolences and letting you know you aren't alone. Having missed out on ~10 years of building up that skillset that the majority of men seem to have (even if this is a misperception) seems like such a huge hurdle sometimes.
 
2013-04-04 01:05:08 PM

enderthexenocide: i'm still a virgin at age 33, and yeah that really sucks and it sure as hell isn't by choice.  i look back at my college years and just cringe when i realize what an idiot i was.  you know what really killed my chances of ever getting laid in college?  i don't drink alcohol and i only hung out with my little group of friends.  of course i never got laid!  there were plenty of women there that would have been interested in me if i had just been more social.  go to a party, have a few drinks, find a girl who is by herself and start talking to her.  sex and relationships are not that complicated, but my god was i clueless in college.  and since i've still never had sex, you could argue i'm still pretty clueless right now.  but my opportunities for sex dwindled away as soon as i graduated, because i was no longer surrounded by lots of women my age that i already had things in common with.  and now that i'm 33 the odds of getting laid are virtually nonexistent, since women aren't interested in a virgin my age, no matter how dashing and handsome i am.  what really hurts me though isn't the fact i've never had sex, it's that i want to have children very badly, and every day that dream gets farther and farther from ever becoming a reality.


/CSB
 
2013-04-04 01:05:39 PM

theurge14: Where did I say I was in need of that advice?

I was taking exception to your blanket statement that nice guys aren't honest.


OK, but you aren't nice so I'm not sure what you're proving.

Don't you think it's possible that women aren't being honest when they list all the reasons nice guys creep them out when it's simply a matter of attraction?  "All you care about is if she's hot" is the common refrain guys hear, wouldn't you say it's dishonest for women to say that looks don't matter to them too?

A simple experiment can be made.  Get three people, one ugly guy, one attractive guy, and one girl on her birthday. Have both guys give the girl the same birthday present.  Observe her reaction.


Yeah, they don't really mean that, just like you don't really mean it when you say intelligence is more important than looks.  Way to crack the case wide-open, Sgt. Hooker.  Congrats on catching up to the men in this thread who don't have problems with women.
 
2013-04-04 01:05:41 PM
Here's my 2 cents on the "nice guy" discussion:

Get to know her. If you like her, and want to date, then ask her out. If she says no, move on. It's not the end of the world and you can go find someone who is a better match for you. Just because she said no doesn't mean she's a biatch - she just isn't interested in dating you.

But do not assume being a friend will (or even should) turn into a romantic relationship. If you don't make your romantic intentions known, then you're being deceptive - so don't blame her for "failing to realize how perfect you are for her."

Believe it or not, most adults have friends they are nice too without expecting sex. People choose freinds because they enjoy each other's company and have fun hanging out.

If the only reason you're nice to someone is because you want to date them, you're not a friend - you're a cowardly suitor, and you're definitely not a "nice guy".

/don't be scared to ask - you'll be surprised how many say yes!
 
2013-04-04 01:07:18 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Dahnkster: We only met once, but it changed our lives forever.


Was that the description of the ruckus?
 
2013-04-04 01:09:23 PM

theurge14: A simple experiment can be made. Get three people, one ugly guy, one attractive guy, and one girl on her birthday. Have both guys give the girl the same birthday present. Observe her reaction.



Would you expect a different reaction by switching the genders?

Ugly girl and attractive girl?
 
2013-04-04 01:10:09 PM

Dahnkster: Hi, my name is Claire. I remember this one time at school five of us all got detention. I was a 'good girl' and never been in trouble much. To make matters worse we all had to come in on a Saturday. The assistant principal told us not to speak to one another and then told us he wanted us to write a thousand word essay!
Well one thing led to another and before I knew what happened we were smoking some marijuana. That stuff must have been laced with some angel dust or something because before I knew what happened, the 'criminal' looking guy was unbuttoning my blouse and squeezing my breasts with his big dirty fingers. He was wearing those 'bad-boy' fingerless gloves and I could smell the motorcycle grime and sweat rising off my heaving chest. The touch of the edges of the leather brushing up against my sensitive nipples sent waves of pleasure across my chest and down my legs. But before I could even speak, the athletic guy was unbuttoning my belt and my long skirt fell around my boots.

Without a word the brainy kid dropped to his knees as I began to fall to the floor of the library. My legs were weakened and wobbly as the three young men guided my limp body onto the floor. The jock took off his letter jacket and placed it under my head. Meanwhile the bad boy slid off my blouse and bra. He cupped my breasts and squeezed with just the right amount of pressure. As his large hands circled my orbs, I became keenly aware of his every touch. The seams of the leather gloves lightly creased the tips of my nipples and they began to swell and warm. As the football player slid down my panties the young nerdy boy began unzipping my boots. He ran his small smooth hands all over my calves and feet. As he tugged off my socks, he slid my gently kissed each toes ans I could feel my self slipping away into abandon. The tough kid and the jock knelt over me and squeezed my arms, shoulders, and hands. I was so at ease when suddenly, the quiet basket-case girl lifted my head for the jacket ...


i think i just shermer'd in my pants.
 
2013-04-04 01:10:28 PM
Another one of these stupid things?

Dating 101:

SOME guys will get lots of sex because they have some physical or behavioral characteristic girls like enough to f*ck for. These traits are stupid things like being tall, being popular or being an arsehole (they call it confidence) so it's really not a big deal to NOT be one of these guys. For the girls the sex is really just about fitting in and having 'experiences', so it is stupid crap too.

MOST guys get very, very little sex because girls don't really like sex and don't really want it. You and I are (were) these guys. If you really want to change that then learn about 'hooking up' with girls. Basically ask 100 girls if they wanna have sex and 1 will probably say yes. More than likely it will be awkward and boring and nothing like your fantasies. My opinion is to cheat the system, save your energy for something important and Fap to internet porn until you find someone you like enough to date.

Remember (it's one of the hardest things for guys to get thru their heads and causes the most anguish) girls like sex about 1/1000th as much as you and it's not very important to them.
 
2013-04-04 01:10:33 PM

unlikely: A couple roommates and I worked out a theory when we were all undergrads.


It is not just a theory. You should have filmed a documentary and did some testing like the folks who made the Documentary that shows just what you describe, it is available on Netflix.
 
PJ-
2013-04-04 01:11:03 PM

bikerific: theurge14: A simple experiment can be made. Get three people, one ugly guy, one attractive guy, and one girl on her birthday. Have both guys give the girl the same birthday present. Observe her reaction.


Would you expect a different reaction by switching the genders?

Ugly girl and attractive girl?


Depends, if it's a nice hammer drill, the reaction will be the same either way.  Now, if it's a pair of socks, ugly girl will get 'oh hey thanks, I can always use more socks', while attractive girl will get 'oh hey thanks, I can always use more socks, how bout some birthday sex?'
 
2013-04-04 01:11:27 PM

2MS: Grables'Daughter: LeroyBourne: The author should have just thrown it out and said no strings attached sex is easy, but relationships are hard, so lets just discretely bang.

But that's exactly what I got out of the article.

Hey, nice to see you around. You make things more interesting.


imho, kinda the opposite.
 
2013-04-04 01:11:47 PM

freeforever: ms_lara_croft: Grables'Daughter: WelldeadLink: ms_lara_croft: Is this going to be the thread where nice guys come out and say women won't go out with them because all women want only jerks?

Nope. Because we nice guys get the girls after they realize the other guy is a jerk.

Some of us will never realize this, sadly.

Then there is the fact that "nice guys" and jerks are the same thing.

Uh, no.  "Nice guys" are not the same as jerks.  "Nice guys" are nice guys who are nice to women and in return don't get sex from them.  They are the designated drivers, willing to pick women up from the airport at the drop of a hat or drive them home from the bar after having a few too many.  They are the guys who constantly feed women compliments they so crave, and the guys who will do manual labor and other chores for the girl when her boyfriend isn't around.  Feminists get angry when "nice guys" complain they aren't getting sex because a "nice guy's" place in society is to be the emotional tampon for women who need their friendship ie., attention.  How dare a "nice guy" ever expect anything more!

Jerks are men, usually decent men who know how to play the field and but called jerks (usually by disgruntled "nice guys") because they get laid without jumping through all the fruitless hoops mentioned above.

There's a difference between "nice guys" and jerks, and it's because women/feminists equate the two that no self-respecting man should ever settle for the "nice guy" role. You and your white-knighted efforts will never be rewarded.


I would expand on the "Jerks" definition by distinguishing between two labeled types. On the one hand you've got decent men who know how to be kind, fun, expressive, and genuine, because they're that way all the time, not just with women they're trying to impress.. They just don't put up with bullshiat games. That no-bullshiat and getting laid gets them mislabeled as "jerks".

On the other hand you've got your manipulative, selfish, controlling, misogynist douchebags. Very different creatures, though on the surface they may be difficult to tell apart, because they're (a) not putting up with bullshiat games; and (2) getting laid. A lot.

As for your description of "nice guy as doormat", I say you are right on the money.
 
PJ-
2013-04-04 01:12:43 PM

hitlersbrain: MOST guys get very, very little sex because girls don't really like sex and don't really want it.


wtf?  I think you are just bad at what you do.  From my experience, girls love sex, they just do a better job of hiding it from people they don't want to have sex with.
 
2013-04-04 01:19:53 PM

freeforever: Uh, no.  "Nice guys" are not the same as jerks.  "Nice guys" are nice guys who are nice to women and in return don't get sex from them.  They are the designated drivers, willing to pick women up from the airport at the drop of a hat or drive them home from the bar after having a few too many.  They are the guys who constantly feed women compliments they so crave, and the guys who will do manual labor and other chores for the girl when her boyfriend isn't around.  Feminists get angry when "nice guys" complain they aren't getting sex because a "nice guy's" place in society is to be the emotional tampon for women who need their friendship ie., attention.  How dare a "nice guy" ever expect anything more!

Jerks are men, usually decent men who know how to play the field and but called jerks (usually by disgruntled "nice guys") because they get laid without jumping through all the fruitless hoops mentioned above.

There's a difference between "nice guys" and jerks, and it's because women/feminists equate the two that no self-respecting man should ever settle for the "nice guy" role. You and your white-knighted efforts will never be rewarded.


Clue: you're not a nice guy. You're a titanic asshole.
 
2MS [TotalFark]
2013-04-04 01:19:56 PM

Andrew Wiggin: 2MS: Grables'Daughter: LeroyBourne: The author should have just thrown it out and said no strings attached sex is easy, but relationships are hard, so lets just discretely bang.

But that's exactly what I got out of the article.

Hey, nice to see you around. You make things more interesting.

imho, kinda the opposite.


Well, I kinda missed you too. I've been hanging out on TFD, and it got old quick. How is TMB?
 
PJ-
2013-04-04 01:21:28 PM

verbaltoxin: freeforever: Uh, no.  "Nice guys" are not the same as jerks.  "Nice guys" are nice guys who are nice to women and in return don't get sex from them.  They are the designated drivers, willing to pick women up from the airport at the drop of a hat or drive them home from the bar after having a few too many.  They are the guys who constantly feed women compliments they so crave, and the guys who will do manual labor and other chores for the girl when her boyfriend isn't around.  Feminists get angry when "nice guys" complain they aren't getting sex because a "nice guy's" place in society is to be the emotional tampon for women who need their friendship ie., attention.  How dare a "nice guy" ever expect anything more!

Jerks are men, usually decent men who know how to play the field and but called jerks (usually by disgruntled "nice guys") because they get laid without jumping through all the fruitless hoops mentioned above.

There's a difference between "nice guys" and jerks, and it's because women/feminists equate the two that no self-respecting man should ever settle for the "nice guy" role. You and your white-knighted efforts will never be rewarded.

Clue: you're not a nice guy. You're a titanic asshole.


Doesn't matter, had sex.
 
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