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(Washington Post)   Maryland becomes first state in the union to pass gun control law mandating fingerprint checks for buyers, magazine and assault weapon bans, and purchasing restrictions based on mental health   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 339
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2013-04-04 09:52:51 AM
I don't agree with "assault weapon" bans, but I'm glad they passed this.

Oh, and

www.overthinkingit.com
 
2013-04-04 09:57:19 AM
Which is all well and good until someone goes over the state line and buys whatever they want.  That's why we need federal standards.
 
2013-04-04 10:02:15 AM
When I read about this (which is frequently, since I'm just north of Baltimore), I always wonder whether the ten-round limit on magazine capacity applies to pistols.  In other words, would I become an instant felon because I have several twelve-round mags for Ruger and Glock pistols?  Looks like "yes."  The law says, "A regulated firearm means any pistol or 45 specified assault weapons."

/No GED in law.
 
2013-04-04 10:08:08 AM
Ah, Maryland.

I remember driving across the panhandle as a shortcut, and seeing these sequential road signs:

"Welcome to Maryland, the free state!"

"Drug interdiction checkpoint: 2 miles"
 
2013-04-04 10:17:40 AM

Therion: "Welcome to Maryland, the free state!"


That has to do only with abolition of slavery, citizen, now spread 'em!
 
2013-04-04 10:23:27 AM
OK, I asked a lawyer whether possession of twelve-round mags would make me an instant felon when Gov. O'Malley signs the bill. Here's what he said....


Just glancing at that I would say, no.  It appears legal to possess, but not make, sell, receive or transfer them in the state.  Statutes covering contraband like drugs say "possess" and manufacture, etc.   The government can't take your heretofore legal property without just compensation,  so if they wanted to make them all illegal to possess they would have to grandfather or pay you for them.   So, I think this will mean no more sales/trades/gifts whether OTC or at gun shows regarding 11+ clips/mags.  If I recall correctly from reading and I could be totally wrong, you could buy as much booze as you could afford before Prohibition, you just had to show you purchased it pre-prohibition.  You couldn't sell or transfer it in anyway except down the hatch and of course that supply would run  low eventually.
 
2013-04-04 10:26:29 AM
Maryland  = the nanny state.
Do you know they have a "flush tax"?
And they just doubled it last year.
Maryland: watching your every flush.

And every year they set up cops on the border with DC in late June to catch:

A. People bringing drugs into the state
B. People bringing firearms into the state
C. people bringing fireworks into the state

If you picked C you know Maryland.
 
2013-04-04 10:33:34 AM

Walker: Do you know they have a "flush tax"?
And they just doubled it last year.
Maryland: watching your every flush.


Do you know why? The Chesapeake Bay is the county's largest estuary, and its dangerously polluted. The flush tax helps make sure that people don't waste water, and helps pay to improve the environment.
 
2013-04-04 10:39:38 AM
So freedumb dies.
 
2013-04-04 10:40:10 AM
So, mental health and therapy records will now be public?  I can think of a few people who might have an issue with that.
 
2013-04-04 10:40:53 AM
This is good news for the criminals
 
2013-04-04 10:41:40 AM

vernonFL: Walker: Do you know they have a "flush tax"?
And they just doubled it last year.
Maryland: watching your every flush.

Do you know why? The Chesapeake Bay is the county's largest estuary, and its dangerously polluted. The flush tax helps make sure that people don't waste water, and helps pay to improve the environment.


not only is it polluted, but the pollution is affecting the economy of the state. Much of the reason MD was settled was because of the freely flowing food from the Bay (crabs, yum!). MD was built on the bay, and while it has expanded, still needs a healthy bay.
 
2013-04-04 10:41:41 AM
Yay! No more gun violence.
 
2013-04-04 10:41:44 AM

vernonFL: The flush tax helps make sure that people don't waste water, and helps pay to improve the environment.


Stupid environment. If the estuary was worth saving, it would clean itself.
 
2013-04-04 10:42:11 AM
fark MARYLAND!

/born and raised...
//keeps trying to find a reason to stay
///Haven't hit the lottery yet.
 
2013-04-04 10:42:45 AM
Well Fark You Maryland...

/gangbangers will no doubt be trembling in fear because of these laws
 
2013-04-04 10:43:12 AM
As long as the USA has a huge border with Mexico, we're going to have a cheap supply of illegal weapons here.
 
2013-04-04 10:43:44 AM
So Maryland residents will just drive 20-40 minutes to VA to buy guns?
 
2013-04-04 10:43:53 AM

Walker: Maryland  = the nanny state.
Do you know they have a "flush tax"?
And they just doubled it last year.
Maryland: watching your every flush.

And every year they set up cops on the border with DC in late June to catch:

A. People bringing drugs into the state
B. People bringing firearms into the state
C. people bringing fireworks into the state

If you picked C you know Maryland.


Holy farking shiat, quite literally.
 
2013-04-04 10:44:24 AM
they have been used in less than 1 percent of Maryland homicides since 2004

That's some fine legislative work there, Lou.  But hey, you did something, so you can claim you did something when election time rolls around again.  Even if the something you did did nothing.
 
2013-04-04 10:44:35 AM
I used to get 30 round M-16 mags at the Army/Navy store. No more in Mass.

/"dummy" grenades all over the woods.
 
2013-04-04 10:45:15 AM
So a state named after a queen resorts to nannyism?
 
2013-04-04 10:45:24 AM
I expect a lot of really heartfelt whining in this thread about freedoms.  In fact, I might not need lunch, I could just dine on tears from this thread.
 
2013-04-04 10:45:47 AM
Well good. Should help draw more criminals there; and hopefully away from my side of the country.
 
2013-04-04 10:46:24 AM

James!: Which is all well and good until someone goes over the state line and buys whatever they want.  That's why we need federal standards.


How about no?
 
2013-04-04 10:46:31 AM
I know California is just champing at the bit to try and top that. It's a pissing contest of who can pass the most "feel good legislation." It's all security theater.
 
2013-04-04 10:46:56 AM

Frank N Stein: So a state named after a queen resorts to nannyism?


22 posts?  You're slipping Frank.  I expect you in a gun thread in under 10 posts, it's your patriotic duty to whine about Obama and his Marxo-thugs coming for yer freedoms!

Seriously, get serious Frank.  Your country needs you.
 
2013-04-04 10:48:22 AM

Frank N Stein: James!: Which is all well and good until someone goes over the state line and buys whatever they want.  That's why we need federal standards.

How about no?


I love how when you point out the problem is straw purchases and lack of ability for the ATF to track purchases that allows trafficked weapons to get into felons hands, and its a real and demonstrable problem yet those 2nd amendment people continually stick their fingers in their ears and scream LALALALALALALALA

Fine, if we can't have federal standards what the fark is your solution to this problem?
 
2013-04-04 10:48:23 AM
This will do nothing...NOTHING to curb gun violence.  This is a bunch of feel good laws that simply inconvenience law abiding citizens.  Drugs are illegal and no matter how harsh the laws, drugs still get consumed, sold, transported and manufactured.

I agree that something needs to be done concerning gun violence, but I do not think that this the most effective way.  Perhaps boosting the economy, investing in comprehensive mental health services in the school system and ridding known crime areas of crime will help to curb violence.  At the end of the day, humans are violent, and the crazy or determined will use whatever means necessary to kill and or mame.  So take away the guns, there is always gasoline, fertilizer and rental trucks.
 
2013-04-04 10:48:32 AM
Well, let's see how well this works and if the courts uphold it.
 
2013-04-04 10:48:39 AM
Guns don't kill people, gay marriage kills people.
 
2013-04-04 10:49:10 AM

stumpwiz: OK, I asked a lawyer whether possession of twelve-round mags would make me an instant felon when Gov. O'Malley signs the bill. Here's what he said....


Let me guess, there is an exception in the law for law enforcement officers, and retired officers? Plus other state government agents?
 
2013-04-04 10:49:31 AM

coeyagi: Frank N Stein: So a state named after a queen resorts to nannyism?

22 posts?  You're slipping Frank.  I expect you in a gun thread in under 10 posts, it's your patriotic duty to whine about Obama and his Marxo-thugs coming for yer freedoms!

Seriously, get serious Frank.  Your country needs you.


You're like that smelly kid in school that used to sneer at all the cool kids who had the best toys.
 
2013-04-04 10:49:54 AM

Priapetic: So, mental health and therapy records will now be public?  I can think of a few people who might have an issue with that.


Oh yeah.  Talk about unintended consequences.  The only way this can work is if mental health records, currently sacrosanct by HIPAA, become public record.  Success!  Now you have prevented the <1% of people who have mental issues and commit gun crimes from doing so.

Now...what's the over/under for this new database becoming a restriction on other things?  Employment?  Education?  How long does anyone seriously believe that the government will hold on to this info in confidence?  The lobbyists would be SALIVATING to get their hands on this information.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.  NEVER give the government more power.  It is NEVER rescinded and ALWAYS expanded.
 
2013-04-04 10:51:08 AM
MyKingdomForYourHorse:
Fine, if we can't have federal standards what the fark is your solution to this problem?

Addressing income inequality, cyclical poverty, healthcare, mental health care, systemic racism, ending the Drug War and improving our education system.

These should bring violence down across the board (plus make our country more awesome) while maintaining the freedoms protected by our Constitution.
 
2013-04-04 10:51:41 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Frank N Stein: James!: Which is all well and good until someone goes over the state line and buys whatever they want.  That's why we need federal standards.

How about no?

I love how when you point out the problem is straw purchases and lack of ability for the ATF to track purchases that allows trafficked weapons to get into felons hands, and its a real and demonstrable problem yet those 2nd amendment people continually stick their fingers in their ears and scream LALALALALALALALA

Fine, if we can't have federal standards what the fark is your solution to this problem?


I'm on my phone on my way to class. You want me to jab away at a masters thesis on my touch screen or something?
 
2013-04-04 10:51:46 AM

James!: Which is all well and good until someone goes over the state line and buys whatever they want.  That's why we need federal standards.


It doesn't work that way.
 
2013-04-04 10:51:47 AM
Actually subby, most of these things have been passed into law before, with the possible exception of the restrictions to the mentally ill. There ARE restrictions for the mentally ill, but I don't know what new ones they're proposing in this law, so I don't know if they're the same or not.

The fingerprint requirement is brand new though.
 
2013-04-04 10:53:17 AM

Endive Wombat: This will do nothing...NOTHING to curb gun violence.  This is a bunch of feel good laws that simply inconvenience law abiding citizens.  Drugs are illegal and no matter how harsh the laws, drugs still get consumed, sold, transported and manufactured.

I agree that something needs to be done concerning gun violence, but I do not think that this the most effective way.  Perhaps boosting the economy, investing in comprehensive mental health services in the school system and ridding known crime areas of crime will help to curb violence.  At the end of the day, humans are violent, and the crazy or determined will use whatever means necessary to kill and or mame.  So take away the guns, there is always gasoline, fertilizer and rental trucks.


We make laws but people break them anyway.  Therefore, we should just not have any laws.
 
2013-04-04 10:53:49 AM

BayouOtter: Addressing income inequality, cyclical poverty, healthcare, mental health care, systemic racism, ending the Drug War and improving our education system.

These should bring violence down across the board (plus make our country more awesome) while maintaining the freedoms protected by our Constitution.


Yes I'd like a Unicorn too, but we're trying to talk about real things we can have.
 
2013-04-04 10:54:04 AM

Turbo Cojones: James!: Which is all well and good until someone goes over the state line and buys whatever they want.  That's why we need federal standards.

It doesn't work that way.


Doesn't it though.
 
2013-04-04 10:54:12 AM
Montgomery county sucks even worse.  Stupid 5 cent bag tax, and friggin speeding cameras all over the damn place.
 
2013-04-04 10:54:24 AM
Colorado became the first Western state to adopt tougher gun control laws with the recent signing of legislation.
http://www.addisonindependent.com/201304editorial-colorado-first-tre nt -gun-control

Seems to be a discrepancy here.
 
2013-04-04 10:54:32 AM

Endive Wombat: This will do nothing...NOTHING to curb gun violence.  This is a bunch of feel good laws that simply inconvenience law abiding citizens...herp/derp...


You mean mentally ill, law abiding citizens?  How unfortunate!
 
2013-04-04 10:54:43 AM
stumpwiz

Fallston Gun, been packed for months... I'm stopping there today to ask them the same question. (Bel Air native).
 
2013-04-04 10:54:50 AM
wharbargarbal
 
2013-04-04 10:54:50 AM

Fubini: Actually subby, most of these things have been passed into law before, with the possible exception of the restrictions to the mentally ill. There ARE restrictions for the mentally ill, but I don't know what new ones they're proposing in this law, so I don't know if they're the same or not.

The fingerprint requirement is brand new though.


Also pointless. I'm not sure what all the money and effort is going to accomplish - similar to the 'ballistic database' they wanted to build in another state I think.

The TL:DR version - new firearms had to have a spent bullet sent to the cops, so they could compare ballistic marks to bullets from crimes. The joke is that as a gun is fired, the ballistic fingerprint 'changes'. Bullets #3 & #4 look very similar, Bullets #5 and #150 look very different.
 
2013-04-04 10:54:55 AM

Turbo Cojones: James!: Which is all well and good until someone goes over the state line and buys whatever they want.  That's why we need federal standards.

It doesn't work that way.


It does work that way, actually. There are no residency requirements for the purchase of guns.
 
2013-04-04 10:55:44 AM

chevydeuce: Well Fark You Maryland...

/gangbangers will no doubt be trembling in fear because of these laws


I fail to see how this affects the porn industry...
 
F42
2013-04-04 10:55:52 AM
purchasing restrictions based on mental health

the message is: don't seek help, they'll take your rights/guns away

what could possibly go wrong
 
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