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(Washington Post)   Wow: Washington Nationals are only the 13th team since 1900 to open the MLB season with back-to-back shutouts. Meh: Against the Marlins   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 45
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2013-04-04 08:07:45 AM  
Go Nats!
 
2013-04-04 08:09:04 AM  
I love the Nats and I want to see them do well, but it's not like they posted these shutouts against the Giants or the Dodgers. Who does Miami have on their team other than Giancarlo Stanton? I don't think I can name even one other player. Now that the Astros are in the AL, the Marlins have a solid chance of locking up last place in the NL this year.
 
2013-04-04 08:15:42 AM  

GiantRex: I love the Nats and I want to see them do well, but it's not like they posted these shutouts against the Giants or the Dodgers. Who does Miami have on their team other than Giancarlo Stanton? I don't think I can name even one other player. Now that the Astros are in the AL, the Marlins have a solid chance of locking up last place in the NL this year.


Lots of teams play bad teams to open their seasons. And yet only thirteen times in 113 years have those good teams playing bad teams shut them out in 18 consecutive season-opening innings.
 
2013-04-04 08:24:26 AM  

kronicfeld: GiantRex: I love the Nats and I want to see them do well, but it's not like they posted these shutouts against the Giants or the Dodgers. Who does Miami have on their team other than Giancarlo Stanton? I don't think I can name even one other player. Now that the Astros are in the AL, the Marlins have a solid chance of locking up last place in the NL this year.

Lots of teams play bad teams to open their seasons. And yet only thirteen times in 113 years have those good teams playing bad teams shut them out in 18 consecutive season-opening innings.


Yeah, plus didn't the headline pretty much state that basic premise (Marlins = Crap = Less Impressive) as the punchline?
 
2013-04-04 08:31:10 AM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Go Nats!


This

Also I am very happy that they made Take On Me the new seventh inning stretch song.
 
2013-04-04 08:31:13 AM  

kronicfeld: Lots of teams play bad teams to open their seasons. And yet only thirteen times in 113 years have those good teams playing bad teams shut them out in 18 consecutive season-opening innings.


So it happens every 8-9 seasons?

Not so impressive.
 
2013-04-04 08:35:25 AM  

MugzyBrown: kronicfeld: Lots of teams play bad teams to open their seasons. And yet only thirteen times in 113 years have those good teams playing bad teams shut them out in 18 consecutive season-opening innings.

So it happens every 8-9 seasons?

Not so impressive.


Yeah, just like perfect games which happen every 5-6 years, nobody thinks those are impressive either.
 
2013-04-04 08:41:48 AM  
Back to back shutouts to start the year really isn't any more impressive than back to back shutouts at any point during the season.
 
2013-04-04 08:59:22 AM  
I think that a lot of teams will post back-to-back shutouts against the Marlins this season.
 
2013-04-04 09:43:32 AM  
So how many of those immortal 12 that came before won the World Series, mm?
 
2013-04-04 09:54:13 AM  

ThatGuyGreg: So how many of those immortal 12 that came before won the World Series, mm?


Probably the same number who had the reigning ROTY hit two homeruns in his first two at bats of the season.

Haters.
 
2013-04-04 10:28:55 AM  
There is no evidence that the Marlins will win a single game this year
 
2013-04-04 10:29:56 AM  

Rex_Banner: Back to back shutouts to start the year really isn't any more impressive than back to back shutouts at any point during the season.


I'd like to see stats on that. Not that I think you're wrong, I just like stats.

Also, you're talking about the 2015 World Series Champion Miami team, subby. Reckonize.

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2013-04-04 10:42:36 AM  

Lost Thought 00: There is no evidence that the Marlins will win a single game this year


Or the Yankees, but I've got faith.
 
2013-04-04 10:43:40 AM  

GiantRex: I love the Nats and I want to see them do well, but it's not like they posted these shutouts against the Giants or the Dodgers. Who does Miami have on their team other than Giancarlo Stanton? I don't think I can name even one other player. Now that the Astros are in the AL, the Marlins have a solid chance of locking up last place in the NL this year.


They're batting Placido Polanco in the cleanup spot.  He slugged .327 last year.

Their fourth-highest-paid player is Greg Dobbs, a 34-year-old corner infielder with a lifetime .308 OBP.  They use him as a pinch hitter.

Their sixth-highest-paid player is backup catcher Jeff Mathis, who is injured, which should prevent him from repeating his 2011 performance where he slugged .259.  (The injury is believed to be due to shame.)

Their #2 starter is Kevin Slowey, who last pitched in the majors in 2011, when he posted a 6.67 ERA for the Twins.  He then got sent to AAA when he couldn't make the Cleveland roster, and got hurt for all of 2012.

They are likely to be a historically bad baseball team, as are the Astros.  Bad enough to be interesting to watch, because you might not see this level of bad again for a while.
 
2013-04-04 11:15:30 AM  
as a Nats fan in South Florida...I don't care when it is.

Going to listen to the game today at work before I leave and on the way home.
 
2013-04-04 11:20:32 AM  

GiantRex: I love the Nats and I want to see them do well, but it's not like they posted these shutouts against the Giants or the Dodgers.


Does it really matter who the shutouts are against.  Even good hitting teams can be shut out two days in a row.  trying to make any kind of conclusion based on such an irrelevant fact in regards to baseball is silly either way.  A terrible team could post back to back shutouts during a season.  What is the difference if it is games one and two or 134 and 135?
 
2013-04-04 11:45:26 AM  

srhp29: GiantRex: I love the Nats and I want to see them do well, but it's not like they posted these shutouts against the Giants or the Dodgers.

Does it really matter who the shutouts are against.  Even good hitting teams can be shut out two days in a row.  trying to make any kind of conclusion based on such an irrelevant fact in regards to baseball is silly either way.  A terrible team could post back to back shutouts during a season.  What is the difference if it is games one and two or 134 and 135?


Because it's baseball, and baseball is all about stats.
 
2013-04-04 12:10:52 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: MugzyBrown: kronicfeld: Lots of teams play bad teams to open their seasons. And yet only thirteen times in 113 years have those good teams playing bad teams shut them out in 18 consecutive season-opening innings.

So it happens every 8-9 seasons?

Not so impressive.

Yeah, just like perfect games which happen every 5-6 years, nobody thinks those are impressive either.


You can't really compare those two.  There are a lot more games where there aren't perfect games pitched compared to the amount of games eligible for 2 shutouts for the first 2 games of a season.
 
2013-04-04 12:11:11 PM  
The Mariners only gave up 1 run in their first 2 games. So yeah.
 
2013-04-04 12:14:54 PM  
This is a classic manufactured stat.  Take something like back-to-back shutouts, a modest accomplishment, but combine it with an arbitrary thing like "to start the season" or odd numbered days, or Sundays, or whatever.  Baseball commentary does this because in 162 games, you can't have a Deion Sanders  type analyst saying "Do what you DO!!!" for 161 more games.  They have to come up with something to fill in the time between "This pitching change brought to you by Penzoil."
 
2013-04-04 12:32:34 PM  

ko_kyi: This is a classic manufactured stat.  Take something like back-to-back shutouts, a modest accomplishment, but combine it with an arbitrary thing like "to start the season" or odd numbered days, or Sundays, or whatever.  Baseball commentary does this because in 162 games, you can't have a Deion Sanders  type analyst saying "Do what you DO!!!" for 161 more games.  They have to come up with something to fill in the time between "This pitching change brought to you by Penzoil."


This.
 
2013-04-04 01:06:05 PM  
The Nats definitely look good this season, but even if they'd shut out the Braves twice in a row to start, it doesn't really mean a whole lot.
 
2013-04-04 01:13:17 PM  

ko_kyi: They have to come up with something to fill in the time between "This pitching change brought to you by Penzoil."


What the blue hell does Penzoil have to do with the AT&T Call to the Bullpen?
 
2013-04-04 01:54:02 PM  

Cagey B: The Nats definitely look good this season, but even if they'd shut out the Braves twice in a row to start, it doesn't really mean a whole lot.


The Braves offense is much improved.  I think that race is going to be a very hot one all season long.
 
2013-04-04 02:13:08 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Rex_Banner: Back to back shutouts to start the year really isn't any more impressive than back to back shutouts at any point during the season.

I'd like to see stats on that. Not that I think you're wrong, I just like stats.

Also, you're talking about the 2015 World Series Champion Miami team, subby. Reckonize.

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Miami lost to the Cubs in 2015. -_-'
 
2013-04-04 02:28:51 PM  

seumasokelly: The Mariners only gave up 1 run in their first 2 games. So yeah.


How's Morse working out for you? I heard he's leading the majors with 3 homers. As a Nats fan, I was sad to see him go.
 
2013-04-04 02:47:52 PM  

farkingismybusiness: seumasokelly: The Mariners only gave up 1 run in their first 2 games. So yeah.

How's Morse working out for you? I heard he's leading the majors with 3 homers. As a Nats fan, I was sad to see him go.


So far so good. The work in the OF could be better, but if he hits 162 HRs, I'll be fine.
 
2013-04-04 03:11:31 PM  

kronicfeld: GiantRex: I love the Nats and I want to see them do well, but it's not like they posted these shutouts against the Giants or the Dodgers. Who does Miami have on their team other than Giancarlo Stanton? I don't think I can name even one other player. Now that the Astros are in the AL, the Marlins have a solid chance of locking up last place in the NL this year.

Lots of teams play bad teams to open their seasons. And yet only thirteen times in 113 years have those good teams playing bad teams shut them out in 18 consecutive season-opening innings.


This marlin team is probably the worst MLB team in the past 113 years so its still less than impressive, let's see how they do when the reworked bullpen has to pitch.
 
2013-04-04 03:28:16 PM  

steamingpile: This marlin team is probably the worst MLB team in the past 113 years so its still less than impressive, let's see how they do when the reworked bullpen has to pitch.


Wait.  The Marlins are worse than the Astros?  Damn.
 
2013-04-04 03:35:02 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Also, you're talking about the 2015 World Series Champion Miami team, subby. Reckonize.

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If the Marlins don't at least do an April Fool's joke in 2015 about changing their name to the Gators or Alligators or whatever, they fail on the front-office staff level, too.
 
2013-04-04 04:00:48 PM  

steamingpile: This marlin team is probably the worst MLB team in the past 113 years so its still less than impressive, let's see how they do when the reworked bullpen has to pitch.


The reworked bullpen that has thrown 5 IP, given up 2 singles and 2 walks while striking out 6 and not allowing any runs?

The bullpen that was above-average for the NL last year, then kept everyone under age 30 and added Rafael Soriano?  I mean, they "reworked" so much that they no longer have Brad Lidge or a 35-year-old Mike Gonzalez, so they'll have to figure out how to get by without that.

Steamingpile: Your Fark source for Steaming PilesTM.  You did a nice job last spring of telling everyone how horrible the Nationals would be.
 
2013-04-04 04:23:10 PM  

srhp29: steamingpile: This marlin team is probably the worst MLB team in the past 113 years so its still less than impressive, let's see how they do when the reworked bullpen has to pitch.

Wait.  The Marlins are worse than the Astros?  Damn.


No, not really. The Marlins are paying $50M for their "talent". While low, the Astros are paying nearly half that at $26M. They have only 9 players that aren't eligible to make league minimum. Two of their top 5 paid players are relievers. Their top-paid player is Wandy Rodriguez, who was traded to the Pirates. The $5M they pay him will be $2M more than they pay their next-highest paid player, "ace" Bud Norris.

Their #3 hitter and 2nd-highest paid player on the roster is Carlos Pena, who had an OPS of .684 with the Rays last year.

Two of the 9 players making more than minimum are Rick Ankiel and Ronny Cedeno. Ankiel had a .282 OBP last year for the Nationals before being released for being awful. Cedeno had a career year hitting-wise as a backup on the awful Mets, OPSing .741. Most people expect him, at age 30, to be closer to his career norm of .647 with more playing time this year.

One of those 9 players is former Mexican leaguer Edgar Gonzalez. His career FIP is 5.26, ERA being 5.84. He may end up starting at some point. In the rotation are Phillip Humber (worst pitcher to ever throw a perfect game?) and Erik Bedard, who were both released by their teams mid-season last year (the White Sox and Pirates, respectively),
 
2013-04-04 04:28:32 PM  
There goes the shut out streak.
 
2013-04-04 04:48:53 PM  

lacydog: No, not really. The Marlins are paying $50M for their "talent". While low, the Astros are paying nearly half that at $26M. They have only 9 players that aren't eligible to make league minimum. Two of their top 5 paid players are relievers. Their top-paid player is Wandy Rodriguez, who was traded to the Pirates. The $5M they pay him will be $2M more than they pay their next-highest paid player, "ace" Bud Norris.


To be fair, the Marlins are paying Heath Bell $4M to not pitch for them, and $8M of what's left went to Toronto in exchange for the trade salary dump Loria made.  So they're paying $38M for on-field talent, $11.5M of which is goes to Nolasco and I wouldn't bet on him staying in Miami very long.

Also amusing: A comprehensive list of every Marlin signed through 2014, not counting club options: Jeff Mathis.  That is all.

Both sides are bad, so vote for a salary floor?
 
2013-04-04 04:53:59 PM  

farkingismybusiness: There goes the shut out streak.


Yeah but the Nats Offense looks alive for the first time this season.
 
2013-04-04 04:55:31 PM  
I actually feel bad for Giancarlo Stanton.
 
2013-04-04 05:27:23 PM  

lunchinlewis: I actually feel bad for Giancarlo Stanton.


It's like making a band out of Lennon and 24 Ringos.
 
2013-04-04 06:50:02 PM  
And there is the sweep.
Off to Cincy to play a real team.
 
2013-04-05 12:29:58 AM  

CipollinaFan: And there is the sweep.
Off to Cincy to play a real team.


Yep.

Also Nats season wins over/under 89.5?
 
2013-04-05 08:17:11 AM  

LucklessWonder: CipollinaFan: And there is the sweep.
Off to Cincy to play a real team.

Yep.

Also Nats season wins over/under 89.5?


1. Henry Rodriguez does not have to close out games for the first few months of the  season.
2. Tyler Clippard and Drew Storen are not closing so they can be used in the bullpen when they are needed.
3. We will not have to platoon Flores, Solano and Leon at catcher.
4. Dan Haren might not be the Dan Haren of old but it is an upgrade over Edwin Jackson.
5. Bryce Harper has more power than he did last year.
6. Jason Werth does not have a broken wrist.
7. Ryan Zimmerman is not having shoulder issues (yet).
8. Denard Span will be leading off giving the nationals a guy with a good OBS that can actually steal bases.
9. Strasberg can play the last month of the season.
10. Despite Atlanta's additions the rest of the division got weaker over the offseason and Atlanta will be without Brandon Beachy for a few months and Chipper Jones for the season.

That being said

1. Injuries can still happen at any time.
2. Tom Gorzelanny, Sean Burnett  will be missed as both as lefties and clutch members of the bullpen.
3. Michael Morse will also be missed although the Nationals were able to play without him for half the season last year and do fine.
4. John Lannan will not be there to pick up the slack if one of the starters goes out.
5. Danny Espinosa seems to be continuing his trend of leading the league in strikeouts.
6. The Braves will have both Medlen and Beachy in their rotation for half the year.


I think that the good outweighs the bad and I don't like to factor injuries that have not happened yet into predictions.
My viewpoint is obviously biased but I do think that the Nationals will be a better team and they will be playing against a weaker group of opponents than they were last year when they won 98 and I think that they easily go over 89.5.
 
2013-04-05 10:03:08 AM  

srhp29: steamingpile: This marlin team is probably the worst MLB team in the past 113 years so its still less than impressive, let's see how they do when the reworked bullpen has to pitch.

Wait.  The Marlins are worse than the Astros?  Damn.


Yes, I will say this since the marlins have nothing except Stanton.
 
2013-04-05 10:11:32 AM  

chimp_ninja: steamingpile: This marlin team is probably the worst MLB team in the past 113 years so its still less than impressive, let's see how they do when the reworked bullpen has to pitch.

The reworked bullpen that has thrown 5 IP, given up 2 singles and 2 walks while striking out 6 and not allowing any runs?

The bullpen that was above-average for the NL last year, then kept everyone under age 30 and added Rafael Soriano?  I mean, they "reworked" so much that they no longer have Brad Lidge or a 35-year-old Mike Gonzalez, so they'll have to figure out how to get by without that.

Steamingpile: Your Fark source for Steaming PilesTM.  You did a nice job last spring of telling everyone how horrible the Nationals would be.


I never said shiat about them last spring because nobody expected much, I did say during the year their bullpen was pitching over their head which was true. Most had either a half run or more under their career era and whip, I may have given werth shiat by saying he's just after a paycheck but other than that most felt they would still be behind the phillies/braves. Most had them as a sleeper team to see how their young pitchers would react.

Fact remains their bullpen hasn't been pressed into service yet and its way too early in the baseball season to tell. Hell if I go by the first series the braves are going to go 120-42 yet still finish second to the marlins who will go 162-0. Its a long season and nobody knows, spring training is never a good gauge.
 
2013-04-05 09:29:43 PM  

LucklessWonder: CipollinaFan: And there is the sweep.
Off to Cincy to play a real team.

Yep.

Also Nats season wins over/under 89.5?


And welcome to the land of wall-scraping home runs.  And, y'know, reality.

/typed in the bottom of the seventh
//10-0 Reds
/// Go Reds!
 
2013-04-05 10:00:46 PM  

steveGswine: LucklessWonder: CipollinaFan: And there is the sweep.
Off to Cincy to play a real team.

Yep.

Also Nats season wins over/under 89.5?

And welcome to the land of wall-scraping home runs.  And, y'know, reality.

/typed in the bottom of the seventh
//10-0 Reds
/// Go Reds!


Yeah nats fans come to reality and quit talking shiat, its as annoying as saints fans who talked shiat after a couple winning seasons forgetting how shiatty they were for decades.
 
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