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(New York Daily News)   Feds push new meat labels that will tell consumers where animals were born, raised and slaughtered. Your hamburger is Bess4815162342, born and raised in factory farm 3F127, and died a natural death by stun gun 12 days ago. Enjoy your meal   (nydailynews.com) divider line 47
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2013-04-04 08:11:30 AM
If the feds get their way, meats on supermarket shelves will include some unappetizing details, such as where the animal was slaughtered.

Find that stomach-turning?


Why is that stomach turning?  It was clearly slaughtered somewhere.
 
2013-04-04 08:14:53 AM
I am the main Dish of the Day. May I interest you in parts of my body?
 
2013-04-04 08:16:59 AM
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2013-04-04 08:21:20 AM
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2013-04-04 08:21:56 AM
I went to a steakhouse like that in Japan. Before you went in they had pictures outside of the cow, its nose print, a record of lineage, and where it was raised and killed.

It didn't bother me then and it doesn't now.
 
2013-04-04 08:29:57 AM
CSB;
I went on a blind date with a hard core vegetarian one time. She was giving me all sorts of crap about "do you know where meet comes from?" and "have you heard how meet makes it to the store?". I then told her how I grew up on a cattle farm and my uncle was a butcher: she didn't like that.

/Never got to play hide the salami
 
2013-04-04 08:33:24 AM
I doubt that something like this would ever happen.

The reason is quite simple: foreign trade.

Listing your food as out of the country will pretty much mean that its not going to get sold in the United States.
 
2013-04-04 08:33:35 AM
Idiocy.

Food lables are now becoming like road signs in the US.  There's so much information you no longer see any of it.
 
2013-04-04 08:35:25 AM
This is a good thing.

We already label produce with the brand names of the producer and state or country it originates from.  Why not with beef?
 
2013-04-04 08:36:37 AM
BunkyBrewman: This is a good thing.

We already label produce with the brand names of the producer and state or country it originates from.  Why not with beef?


Because we are paranoid individuals who view food safety in other countries as non-existant.

It is a psychological problem
 
2013-04-04 08:36:43 AM
i fail to see how this is a bad thing.
 
2013-04-04 08:36:57 AM
mjohnson71: CSB;
I went on a blind date with a hard core vegetarian one time. She was giving me all sorts of crap about "do you know where meet comes from?" and "have you heard how meet makes it to the store?". I then told her how I grew up on a cattle farm and my uncle was a butcher: she didn't like that.

/Never got to play hide the salami


Two thumbs up to you, my good sir.

As a small-time beef producer myself, I commend you for your comments.

/Still sorry you didn't get to do any meat packing
//Support your local beef producer!
 
2013-04-04 08:38:27 AM
BunkyBrewman: This is a good thing.

We already label produce with the brand names of the producer and state or country it originates from.  Why not with beef?


I hate peeling those stickers off tomatoes.
 
2013-04-04 08:41:38 AM
mjohnson71: CSB;
I went on a blind date with a hard core vegetarian one time. She was giving me all sorts of crap about "do you know where meet comes from?" and "have you heard how meet makes it to the store?". I then told her how I grew up on a cattle farm and my uncle was a butcher: she didn't like that.

/Never got to play hide the salami


She must have been hardcore, she didn't even know how to spell meat.
 
2013-04-04 08:46:16 AM
Portlandia is spreading into actual policy.  That makes me sad.
 
2013-04-04 08:53:55 AM
genepool lifeboat: mjohnson71: CSB;
I went on a blind date with a hard core vegetarian one time. She was giving me all sorts of crap about "do you know where meet comes from?" and "have you heard how meet makes it to the store?". I then told her how I grew up on a cattle farm and my uncle was a butcher: she didn't like that.

/Never got to play hide the salami

She must have been hardcore, she didn't even know how to spell meat.


I see what you did their.
 
2013-04-04 08:54:02 AM
Good luck with that. A few years ago, the meat industry - or one company that controls a huge part of the market - actually tried doing that. The idea was to put a QR code on the packaging which customers could scan with their phone and show them a nice picture of Farmer Joe and his little beef ranch in the US. The target market was Japan. It never really gained much traction, but we spent a fair amount of effeort working on it. We even had some poor shmuck in the plants scanning the eyeballs of cattle right after they had been knocked.

Seriously, this was an idea and we collected data and paid someone to scan the cow's retina. Someone thought it would be a good marketing gimmick particularly for Japanese customers but it never went anywhere, probably due in large part to protectionism on the part of many Asian customers who used BSE (mad cow) as an excuse to severely limit imports of American beef. And by "limit" i mean completely halt for a couple of years and then only allow certain parts of animals after that - you fark up one box and a whole shipload of beef could be sent back.

A bunch of people got laid off due to that shiat.

I was there when COOL (Country Of Origin Labeling) became a requirement.and that was a HUGE pain in the ass and it did include where it was born, so we'd have a code for born in Mexico, product of the USA because it was raised in Mexico and slaughtered in the US. A lot of beef in the US is raised in Canada too, but slaughtered in the US.

We just started slapping it on every label that we produced. Bear in mind these were not retail sized packages - these were boxes holding a lot of beef so I guess it didn't get down to the retail level. I do think consumers have a right to know where their food comes from but this is going to be a major pain in the ass.

FTFA: "Do consumers really want the word 'Slaughtered' on their meat?" asked Bill Watson, Why not? do they think beef grows on trees?

actual snippet from the source code of the plant systems

kdate = (something or other (TODAY)) /* date cow was murdered */

Not my comment, but we got a kick out of it.
Killing cows is how you put beef on your table. Get over it. 5,000 head a day was typical for most plants. Blood flows like wine in those places. And did you know that cheek muscles still twitch even after they're put in a box?

Yes, that hamburger you're going to have for lunch today used to be a living animal and it was probably sliced up by an illegal alien or a refugee from Somalia.

Bon apetit.
 
2013-04-04 09:12:31 AM
Great Oden's Raven...

Why don't we just ban all meat products and get it over with now instead of this "death by 1000 cuts" b.s.?  I am sure in time we will all begin to appreciate our lettuce overlords....
 
2013-04-04 09:15:34 AM
As long as it was grown and slaughtered in a reputable location, I can't see how this is a problem.  The date helps a lot with freshness concerns too.

Seriously, people are smart enough to know that animals are processed in what some would call inhumane conditions.  Fortunately, animals aren't human.
 
2013-04-04 09:17:39 AM
mjohnson71: CSB;
I went on a blind date with a hard core vegetarian one time. She was giving me all sorts of crap about "do you know where meet comes from?" and "have you heard how meet makes it to the store?". I then told her how I grew up on a cattle farm and my uncle was a butcher: she didn't like that.

/Never got to play hide the salami


Were you wearing this t-shirt?

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-04 09:24:29 AM
We can't even tell whether or not food has nuts in it. How's this going to work? Has anyone seen the recent pink slime story? The label's going to look like...

"bovine4815162342, bovine4815162343, bovine4815162344, bovine4815162345, bovine4815162346, bovine4815162347, bovine4815162348, bovine4815162349, bovine4815162350, bovine4815162351, bovine4815162352, bovine4815162353, bovine4815162354 born and raised in factory farm 3F127, 56732, 21678,1678 and died a natural death by stun gun some time during the week of April 8, 2013."
 
2013-04-04 09:34:55 AM
Producers will never allow this, because most of the meat packagers in this country don't actually know where their product originates from. The fewer questions they ask, the cheaper the meat. And idiots flock to the supermarket to buy the cheapest meat possible.
 
2013-04-04 09:38:26 AM
cman: I doubt that something like this would ever happen.

The reason is quite simple: foreign trade.

Listing your food as out of the country will pretty much mean that its not going to get sold in the United States.


You don't shop for food much, do you?

Whenever I buy shrimp, it's almost always from Vietnam. It sucks - I used to live on the Gulf Coast, but now I'm in a landlocked state and so none of the seafood I buy will be fresh so it doesn't really matter if it's from the Gulf of Mexico or Vietnam. I'll take what I can get.

Similarly I remember looking over blueberries that were on sale at a grocery store a while back. I like blueberries. There were 3 or 4 different brands. I looked at all of them and they all were from Chile. They all looked the same. They all were the same price. I bought them. They tasted great.

I really don't see consumers caring too much about this. OMG - this beef is from Mexico! I want American beef. Naw - that's not gonna happen. There's a good chance the beef in your burger that you'll eat for lunch comes from Mexico anyway. It may not have been slaughtered there, but it may have been raised there. Who cares? The USDA grades it and it's probably safe.

The only time I've gotten sick from food was from cantaloupe grown less than 100 miles away from me.

God bless the listeria cantaloupe - it was from the US! That was probably just god telling me if the cantaloupe were imported the terrorists had won. Or something like that, I'm not really sure.
 
2013-04-04 09:43:24 AM
Rapmaster2000: If the feds get their way, meats on supermarket shelves will include some unappetizing details, such as where the animal was slaughtered.

Find that stomach-turning?

Why is that stomach turning?  It was clearly slaughtered somewhere.


The label should also prominently state that the animal was actually slaughtered and is, in fact, certifiably dead. Not something you want to have to guess about when you're ordering a steak.
 
2013-04-04 09:46:16 AM
tennessee.hillbilly: //Support your local beef producer!

All our pork and beef comes from two farmers within five miles of us. I even get to hand pick the beasts.
 
2013-04-04 09:46:44 AM
'I just don't want to eat an animal that's standing thereinviting me to,' said Arthur, 'It's heartless.''Better than eating an animal that doesn't want to beeaten,' said Zaphod.'That's not the point,' Arthur protested. Then he thought about it for a moment. 'Alright,' he said, 'maybe it is the point. I don't care, I'm not going to think about it now. I'll just ... er ... I think I'll just have a green salad,' he muttered.'May I urge you to consider my liver?' asked the animal,'it must be very rich and tender by now, I've been force-feeding myself for months.'
/The natural progression of these meat labels.
 
2013-04-04 09:49:11 AM
Lost Thought 00: Producers will never allow this, because most of the meat packagers in this country don't actually know where their product originates from. The fewer questions they ask, the cheaper the meat. And idiots flock to the supermarket to buy the cheapest meat possible.

In the US? Yeah, they know where it comes from.

JBS likes to play games in Brazil and claim that their cows there weren't raised on land cleared from rainforests but in the US, yeah - they do know. Do you think they buy cows that fell off the back of a random truck?
 
2013-04-04 10:01:01 AM
Happy Hours: Lost Thought 00: Producers will never allow this, because most of the meat packagers in this country don't actually know where their product originates from. The fewer questions they ask, the cheaper the meat. And idiots flock to the supermarket to buy the cheapest meat possible.

In the US? Yeah, they know where it comes from.

JBS likes to play games in Brazil and claim that their cows there weren't raised on land cleared from rainforests but in the US, yeah - they do know. Do you think they buy cows that fell off the back of a random truck?


Well, they already have been shown to buy "cows" that were raised on horse farms, so lets just say my confidence in the packagers really caring about their sources is very low
 
2013-04-04 10:06:44 AM
Chabash: Portlandia is spreading into actual policy.  That makes me sad.

What WAS the chicken's name?
 
2013-04-04 10:14:04 AM
Mmmmm, Dharma Initiative beef!

also.kottke.org
/Can't believe I'm the first to catch the Numbers reference
 
2013-04-04 10:21:48 AM
Happy Hours:

Whenever I buy shrimp, it's almost always from Vietnam. It sucks - I used to live on the Gulf Coast, but now I'm in a landlocked state and so none of the seafood I buy will be fresh so it doesn't really matter if it's from the Gulf of Mexico or Vietnam. I'll take what I can get.

Vietnamese farmed shrimp sucks.  Why the hell is it so flavorless?  You get Gulf or SC/Georgia shrimp and and it has this rich, full flavor.  The Vietnamese shiat doesn't taste like anything. How the hell do they do that?  It's gotten to where if I'm someplace cheap and they have shrimp on the menu I won't even order it because I know I'm getting something with the flavor of tofu.

Don't even get me started on how many antibiotics they pump into their farm ponds to keep disease down.  If you have penicillin or similar allergies, don't eat too many.
 
2013-04-04 10:24:03 AM
Happy Hours: Someone thought it would be a good marketing gimmick particularly for Japanese customers but it never went anywhere, probably due in large part to protectionism on the part of many Asian customers who used BSE (mad cow) as an excuse to severely limit imports of American beef. And by "limit" i mean completely halt for a couple of years and then only allow certain parts of animals after that - you fark up one box and a whole shipload of beef could be sent back.

It wasn't an excuse; U.S. beef tested positive for BSE and the first thing everyone this side of the pond did was blame each other.  The Japanese government is as corrupt as any but the political response was purely a defensive posture to avoid public backlash -- not a gift to their domestic beef industry, which doesn't have the capacity to satisfy demand anyway.  Domestic beef in Japan is largely a low-supply, labor-intensive, high-end product; WTF would Japanese ranches have to gain by shutting out America's garbage beef?  They got their beef from Australia in the meantime.  I was in Japan at the time; the local McDonald's had huge ads reassuring customers that their beef did not come from America (how ironic) because everyone was terrified at how irresponsibly the snafu was handled.  If anything, the corruption of the Japanese government was evident when they resumed U.S. beef imports at the pressure of domestic fast-food franchises and the Bush Administration without the U.S. ever owning up to the problem.
 Happy Hours: Similarly I remember looking over blueberries that were on sale at a grocery store a while back. I like blueberries. There were 3 or 4 different brands. I looked at all of them and they all were from Chile.

Um, yes, the southern hemisphere has this crazy thing going on where their seasons are opposite from ours.  A lot of fruits & vegetables from December through April will come from South America because it's their growing season.
 
2013-04-04 10:40:11 AM
Betep: Chabash: Portlandia is spreading into actual policy.  That makes me sad.

What WAS the chicken's name?


His name was Colin and he was woodland raised on four acres and fed a diet of sheep's milk, soy and hazelnuts.
 
2013-04-04 10:44:05 AM
I will enjoy my meal, thank you.

As a Farker wiser than I once said: if God did not want us to eat cows, He would not have made them out of steaks.
 
2013-04-04 11:02:47 AM
Stomach turning?  Meat is meat, slaughter is slaughter.  Ill enjoy some tasty slaughter for dinner.

Dont know why Canada and Mexico should be irked though.  Truth in labeling is always welcome.
 
2013-04-04 11:04:03 AM
t3knomanser: I am the main Dish of the Day. May I interest you in parts of my body?

i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-04 11:43:14 AM
How is this a bad thing?


Rapmaster2000: Happy Hours:

Whenever I buy shrimp, it's almost always from Vietnam. It sucks - I used to live on the Gulf Coast, but now I'm in a landlocked state and so none of the seafood I buy will be fresh so it doesn't really matter if it's from the Gulf of Mexico or Vietnam. I'll take what I can get.

Vietnamese farmed shrimp sucks.  Why the hell is it so flavorless?  You get Gulf or SC/Georgia shrimp and and it has this rich, full flavor.  The Vietnamese shiat doesn't taste like anything. How the hell do they do that?  It's gotten to where if I'm someplace cheap and they have shrimp on the menu I won't even order it because I know I'm getting something with the flavor of tofu.

Don't even get me started on how many antibiotics they pump into their farm ponds to keep disease down.  If you have penicillin or similar allergies, don't eat too many.


Agreed, they taste like nothing.  I'm sure it's something lacking in their diet or poor water conditions.
 
2013-04-04 11:56:00 AM
mjohnson71: CSB;
I went on a blind date with a hard core vegetarian one time. She was giving me all sorts of crap about "do you know where meet comes from?" and "have you heard how meet makes it to the store?". I then told her how I grew up on a cattle farm and my uncle was a butcher: she didn't like that.

/Never got to play hide the salami


Amateur. You should have told her you were going to play hide the zucchini/cucumber/banana.
 
2013-04-04 12:16:58 PM
Chabash: Betep: Chabash: Portlandia is spreading into actual policy.  That makes me sad.

What WAS the chicken's name?

His name was Colin and he was woodland raised on four acres and fed a diet of sheep's milk, soy and hazelnuts.


The dream of the 90's is alive in Portland....
 
2013-04-04 12:45:25 PM
MrBigglesworth: Stomach turning?  Meat is meat, slaughter is slaughter.  Ill enjoy some tasty slaughter for dinner.

Dont know why Canada and Mexico should be irked though.  Truth in labeling is always welcome.


Its quite simple.Processors and retailers use COOL as an excuse to pat less for our beef.
 
2013-04-04 12:47:06 PM
amishkarl: MrBigglesworth: Stomach turning?  Meat is meat, slaughter is slaughter.  Ill enjoy some tasty slaughter for dinner.

Dont know why Canada and Mexico should be irked though.  Truth in labeling is always welcome.

Its quite simple.Processors and retailers use COOL as an excuse to  pat  pay less for our beef.


Ftfm
 
2013-04-04 12:57:01 PM
BinderWoman: Chabash: Betep: Chabash: Portlandia is spreading into actual policy.  That makes me sad.

What WAS the chicken's name?

His name was Colin and he was woodland raised on four acres and fed a diet of sheep's milk, soy and hazelnuts.

The dream of the 90's is alive in Portland....


I retired at 28 so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-04-04 06:59:36 PM
This could be interesting for certain companies. They can't tell you which cow that hamburger came from because they've mixed together random meat from hundreds of animals in a factory.
 
2013-04-04 09:01:05 PM
Good.

fark animals.

I eat the shiat out of cows, pigs and chickens.

SUCK IT VEGANS.
 
2013-04-06 05:20:38 AM
cman: I doubt that something like this would ever happen.

The reason is quite simple: foreign trade.

Listing your food as out of the country will pretty much mean that its not going to get sold in the United States.


Our local store already has that covered. They call the meat USDA approved/inspected.
 
2013-04-06 05:35:52 AM
Happy Hours: FTFA: "Do consumers really want the word 'Slaughtered' on their meat?" asked Bill Watson, Why not? do they think beef grows on trees?

actual snippet from the source code of the plant systems

kdate = (something or other (TODAY)) /* date cow was murdered */

Not my comment, but we got a kick out of it.
Killing cows is how you put beef on your table. Get over it. 5,000 head a day was typical for most plants. Blood flows like wine in those places. And did you know that cheek muscles still twitch even after they're put in a box?

Yes, that hamburger you're going to have for lunch today used to be a living animal and it was probably sliced up by an illegal alien or a refugee from Somalia.

Bon apetit.



In other countries, they get over the guilt of killing animals for meat by staging a "semi-religious ritual" for "forgiveness for the sacrifice for meat" thing.


Those countries where if you want meat, you buy the animal, take it to the butcher/temple who does the ritual and has the butcher kill the animal. Then you take the carcass back to your home and hire someone to get the hair off, clean the intestines and chop it into pieces (or do it yourself).

The first thing to eat is always the organs - tofu-like livers, chewy brains etc and then work on complex stews, roasts, BBQs for the rest of the animal.

For larger animals, it's amazing how much floor space is required to "process" them and so it varies a bit from the above method.
 
2013-04-06 05:44:31 AM
Lost Thought 00: Producers will never allow this, because most of the meat packagers in this country don't actually know where their product originates from. The fewer questions they ask, the cheaper the meat. And idiots flock to the supermarket to buy the cheapest meat possible.

People pay higher for grass-fed meat and organic chicken or eggs. If there is money to be made, they will do it.


Otherwise, it will probably open up the space for a blogger to take meat home, analyze the omega 3 and 6 ratios in the meat, hormone and antibiotics levels in the meat and update a foodie world. From the foodie world, the regular people will get this brand is bad from their local media outlets.
 
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