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(Some Guy)   Senator Rockefeller to Carnival Cruise Lines: The Coast Guard spent $4.2 million responding and rescuing you 90 times over five years. When will you pay up? Carnival: Never. It's a "maritime honor" to rescue distressed ships   (skift.com) divider line 30
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2013-04-04 09:03:13 AM
11 votes:
Next time, the Navy should just take off the passengers, declare Carnival's $500,000,000 ship a hazard to navigation and torpedo it.
2013-04-04 09:03:54 AM
7 votes:

dittybopper: You know what happens then?

The cruise lines stop using US ports, and they fly the people who want to cruise to a foreign port for the start and end-points of their cruises.  So you lose any revenue you get from port fees, taxes, local sales of supplies and fuel, and the employment of dock-side cruise workers.


I don't think so.  70% of Americans don't even have f*cking passports.  Not to mention that it would take 800,000 airline seats to embark and debark a single cruise ship for a year.
2013-04-04 08:59:15 AM
7 votes:
"Your ship is registered where? If you're on fire and sinking, we'll be right there. Otherwise, call the Liberian Coast Guard."
2013-04-04 07:25:34 AM
6 votes:
The Coast Guard often asks Merchant Vessels to respond to emergencies and do not pay them. I see no reason why the reverse is should be expected.
2013-04-04 09:54:25 AM
5 votes:
Simple solution, rescue the people, leave the ship.  Won't be long before all of Carnival's fleet is sitting on the bottom acting as artificial reefs.  Then they won't cost the Coast Guard anything.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-04 07:44:10 AM
4 votes:
I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.
2013-04-04 06:44:41 AM
4 votes:
They didn't say it was an honor, they said it was a tradition, which they honor. And they think Congress should honor its traditions as well.
2013-04-04 08:52:19 AM
3 votes:

Babwa Wawa: dittybopper: It was taxes and increased regulation that drove the cruise industry to register their ships overseas in the first place.

There are always going to be lower taxes somewhere.  If we didn't allow them to operate in the US without paying taxes, they wouldn't have registered elsewhere.

It's a pretty simple rule change - your ship cannot be registered with any country where less than X% of your cargo or passengers are loaded or unloaded.


You know what happens then?

The cruise lines stop using US ports, and they fly the people who want to cruise to a foreign port for the start and end-points of their cruises.  So you lose any revenue you get from port fees, taxes, local sales of supplies and fuel, and the employment of dock-side cruise workers.
2013-04-04 08:27:06 AM
3 votes:
Take them to court or STFU.
2013-04-04 08:00:25 AM
3 votes:
The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.
2013-04-04 09:56:53 AM
2 votes:
Carnival is the most evil company and has dodged paying the most money to the US government recent company that people remember from the news so it's time to pretend to care about them so people think you actually do things in congress
2013-04-04 08:21:38 AM
2 votes:

dittybopper: It was taxes and increased regulation that drove the cruise industry to register their ships overseas in the first place.


There are always going to be lower taxes somewhere.  If we didn't allow them to operate in the US without paying taxes, they wouldn't have registered elsewhere.

It's a pretty simple rule change - your ship cannot be registered with any country where less than X% of your cargo or passengers are loaded or unloaded.
2013-04-04 08:16:24 AM
2 votes:

dittybopper: vpb: I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.

It was taxes and increased regulation that drove the cruise industry to register their ships overseas in the first place.



Yeah, screw those safety, labor, and environmental standards. We're a Liberian ship! Hell, even oil rigs requiring a flag can use that workaround. The Deepwater Horizon was registered in the Marshall Islands on the other side of the frikkin' planet.
2013-04-04 07:52:47 AM
2 votes:

vpb: I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.


It was taxes and increased regulation that drove the cruise industry to register their ships overseas in the first place.
2013-04-04 01:52:22 PM
1 votes:
In the aftermath of the Deepwater Horizon, it came to light just how shoddy BP's practices had been. I remember seeing charts in articles comparing the safety and environmental violations of the various oil extraction companies and BP was a definite outlier.

Is Carnival an outlier? That is the big question. If so, then there is every reason for them to be in front of Congress explaining why they endanger American tourists far more than their peers.

I don't know the ansewer, I haven't seen any numbers. But Congress does have the authority to regulate ticket sales for international cruises if there is a big need for it. How many people died on 9/11? How big of a deal did we make of that? What if a ship with 5,000 sinks with most of the passangers on board? Do we simply chalk it up to "Oopsies happen" and let it go, or do we gnash our teeth that nothing was said about this despite a history of problems?

Rockefeller isn't one of the stupid or partisan members of Congress, you don't see his name attached to much idiocy. I'm going to give him a pass on this and say that the cruise industry had better be doing all it can to safeguard the lives of its passengers. It is a far cry from comments and questions in committee to a bill being introduced and it is well within the purview of Congress to put the fear of Neptune into the industry after a string of high profile accidents and near-catastrophes.
2013-04-04 12:46:05 PM
1 votes:
If you go hiking in most federal parks and get stuck and require rescue you are getting a bill for it (See Denali rules for example) if corporations are people as Mitt said they should be getting the bill
2013-04-04 11:20:19 AM
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: dittybopper: You know what happens then?

The cruise lines stop using US ports, and they fly the people who want to cruise to a foreign port for the start and end-points of their cruises.  So you lose any revenue you get from port fees, taxes, local sales of supplies and fuel, and the employment of dock-side cruise workers.

I don't think so.  70% of Americans don't even have f*cking passports.  Not to mention that it would take 800,000 airline seats to embark and debark a single cruise ship for a year.


Most of us don't have passports because we can drive for 70 hours in a straight line and not leave the country.  Can't do that in many other places.
2013-04-04 10:40:57 AM
1 votes:
Carnival Cruise Lines' continued profitability has got to be Exhibit A in the case against any suggestion that the average consumer is informed or that consumer groups could ferret out corporate misdeeds and undesirable externalities in the absence of regulation.
2013-04-04 10:28:56 AM
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: TAG has to be for the senator. Dont save people if all you want is to be paid for saving them.


That's what I told the hospital for the ambulance ride. So far, it's gotten me nowhere...
2013-04-04 10:27:45 AM
1 votes:

StRalphTheLiar: That surprised me, so I went to Carnival's site and checked. You are correct. I have been on 2 other cruise lines previously and both required adults to bring a passport, so I guess that was just their rule.


It's not their rule. It's US law. The only, only, international travel that does not require a passport is a cruise that leaves out of, and returns to, the same port.
2013-04-04 10:22:46 AM
1 votes:

StRalphTheLiar: You have to have a passport to take a cruise that docks at a foreign port, so that's not cutting their client base at all. Also, they will typically handle your air travel as part of your package if you want them to. So instead of flying you from LA to Seattle for an Alaskan cruise, they fly you to Vancouver. No big deal. Caribbean cruises leave out of Cancun instead of Florida. They absolutely could stop using US ports for most cruises.


You are 100% wrong. You do not need a passport for a cruise that docks at a foreign port. But, to fly to, say Vancouver, you do need a passport.
2013-04-04 10:04:48 AM
1 votes:
If your garbage scows need rescue more than once every three weeks (on average) then I think your problem is a bit larger than even your passengers.
2013-04-04 10:01:23 AM
1 votes:

Molavian: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Next time, the Navy should just take off the passengers, declare Carnival's $500,000,000 ship a hazard to navigation and torpedo it.

That's a bingo.


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2013-04-04 09:55:08 AM
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Next time, the Navy should just take off the passengers, declare Carnival's $500,000,000 ship a hazard to navigation and torpedo it.


That's a bingo.
2013-04-04 09:48:29 AM
1 votes:
Let 'em drown, they knew what they were getting into when they bought the tickets.
2013-04-04 09:18:24 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Generation_D: So does the entire Merchant Marine fleet, but those guys aren't causing 90 mayday calls for the same fleet in 5 years.

I'm assuming you can support that assertion with a link?


Nope. Standard grade internet unsupported claim.

I'll start pointing yours out going forward, if we're changing the rules of engagement.
2013-04-04 09:16:35 AM
1 votes:
Gee, we could almost just not allow Carnival to use US ports anymore....

dittybopper: monty666: The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.

So it's like sex?


Yep.  Diseases and all.
2013-04-04 08:51:22 AM
1 votes:
Cruise ship companies pay taxes. Also, the employees and the guests pay taxes.
2013-04-04 08:48:17 AM
1 votes:

vpb: I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.


You think that the cruise industry doesn't pay taxes?

interesting.
2013-04-04 08:33:51 AM
1 votes:
Not to white knight too much, but Carnival also rescues others in distress. Just one article:  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/25/3306167/carnival-ships-rescues- t wo-ill.html
 
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