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(Some Guy)   Senator Rockefeller to Carnival Cruise Lines: The Coast Guard spent $4.2 million responding and rescuing you 90 times over five years. When will you pay up? Carnival: Never. It's a "maritime honor" to rescue distressed ships   (skift.com ) divider line
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2013-04-04 10:43:54 AM  
Too big to jail, right? But they'll charge the 14 year old trying to set a record.
 
2013-04-04 10:44:56 AM  

sodomizer: When will idiots stop taking cruises?

Seriously, worst form of vacation ever. Crass, gross and peasanty. Give it break!


Some people like crass, gross, and peasanty.
 
2013-04-04 10:45:05 AM  

Brick-House: Carnival Cruise Lines: Already taken care of by way of paying taxes.


Why would you think Carnival is different from any other big corporation?

From:  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/business/economy/02leonhardt.html?_ r =3&
"Over the last five years, the company (Carnival) has paid total corporate taxes - federal, state, local and foreign - equal to only 1.1 percent of its cumulative $11.3 billion in profits. Thanks to an obscure loophole in the tax code, Carnival can legally avoid most taxes. "
 
2013-04-04 10:45:23 AM  

vernonFL: Cruise ship companies pay taxes. Also, the employees and the guests pay taxes.


Yes.

But perhaps they should pay more taxes.
 
2013-04-04 10:47:24 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: mizchief

Yea gotta side with the Senator here. If your going to register all your ships on panama to get out of paying some taxes and avoiding US labor laws, then don't expect the US coast guard to bail your ass out for free.

Agreed, gotta recover the money somewhere, port fees or something. I never wanted to take a cruise... recent media has reaffirmed me of this.


According to the NY Times, Carnival has paid over $110 million in US corporate income taxes in the past 5 years (on $11.3B in worldwide revenue).  Plus millions more in port fees, payroll taxes, etc.  I have no problem with a Coast Guard rescue.

Did you stop flying after the media hoopla over a plane crash?  Stop driving after media coverage of a grisly accident?  Hundreds of thousands of people cruise every year with no problems but that isn't newsworthy.
 
2013-04-04 10:48:13 AM  

Joe Blowme: Mixolydian Master: Joe Blowme: TAG has to be for the senator. Dont save people if all you want is to be paid for saving them.

That's what I told the hospital for the ambulance ride. So far, it's gotten me nowhere...

And how about all those bills from the police when they help you out? Man i cant stand thoses either.
I wonder when the check from the people we saved from pirates off the Somali coast will get here.


I pay American tax dollars for police protection. What has the Panamanian for profit billionaire paid for first class service? Once or twice...yeah, I guess you need some serious help. 90 times in 5 years? You need to start paying the fark up. You are on some seriously hazard prone shiat, and obviously relying on us. Why fix it if someone will come and rescue you for free?

The pirates in Somalia are threatening American investments. Do you think we are just over there to be good boy scouts? Just hanging out being good smaritans in some wasteland of an ocean off of Africa, cause why not? Nothing better to do.


Are you seriously defending Carnival blatantly/disgustingly freeloading on the American taxpayer?
 
2013-04-04 10:50:36 AM  
The Arison's didn't get rich paying people...they got rich by getting stuff for free and having us pay them...

carnival cruises

miami heat

they probably have a sweet deal with miami-dade at the arena.
 
2013-04-04 10:51:35 AM  
Senator Rockefeller, when will you pay for all the damage which Congress causes?
 
2013-04-04 10:51:58 AM  

Mixolydian Master: Joe Blowme: Mixolydian Master: Joe Blowme: TAG has to be for the senator. Dont save people if all you want is to be paid for saving them.

That's what I told the hospital for the ambulance ride. So far, it's gotten me nowhere...

And how about all those bills from the police when they help you out? Man i cant stand thoses either.
I wonder when the check from the people we saved from pirates off the Somali coast will get here.

I pay American tax dollars for police protection. What has the Panamanian for profit billionaire paid for first class service? Once or twice...yeah, I guess you need some serious help. 90 times in 5 years? You need to start paying the fark up. You are on some seriously hazard prone shiat, and obviously relying on us. Why fix it if someone will come and rescue you for free?

The pirates in Somalia are threatening American investments. Do you think we are just over there to be good boy scouts? Just hanging out being good smaritans in some wasteland of an ocean off of Africa, cause why not? Nothing better to do.


Are you seriously defending Carnival blatantly/disgustingly freeloading on the American taxpayer?


No, im saying is if you want them to pay then tell them they have to pay or they can sit and drift. Dont run around helping people then put your hand out and then get mad when they just give you a high 5
 
2013-04-04 10:53:21 AM  

WelldeadLink: Senator Rockefeller, when will you pay for all the damage which Congress causes?


Those clowns in Congress have done it again.  What a bunch of clowns.
 
2013-04-04 10:54:14 AM  
One thing I noticed was many of you assume they pay no taxes in the US. Their corporate home office and base of operations is in Florida so yeah they pay taxes. The avoid taxes on the boats by registering them off shore but every ticket sale is taxed so let the coast guard do their thing. Also being a branch of the military the CG holds as part of its duty to assist the 4000 American citizens on each cruise. His honor can blow it outta his ass.
 
2013-04-04 10:55:27 AM  

Joe Blowme: And how about all those bills from the police when they help you out? Man i cant stand thoses either.


If you're stranded on the highway and a cop stops and calls a tow for you, you do indeed get billed by the PD, and by the tow company. (so I've heard, NC, your State may vary).

Joe Blowme: I wonder when the check from the people we saved from pirates off the Somali coast will get here.


I think we should leave that to the Liberian Navy, like we should let the Panamanian Coast Guard rescue the Carnival ships. (Or possibly bill Liberia and Panama, or repatriate the ships thereto).
 
2013-04-04 10:57:45 AM  

Joe Blowme: Mixolydian Master: Joe Blowme: Mixolydian Master: Joe Blowme: TAG has to be for the senator. Dont save people if all you want is to be paid for saving them.

That's what I told the hospital for the ambulance ride. So far, it's gotten me nowhere...

And how about all those bills from the police when they help you out? Man i cant stand thoses either.
I wonder when the check from the people we saved from pirates off the Somali coast will get here.

I pay American tax dollars for police protection. What has the Panamanian for profit billionaire paid for first class service? Once or twice...yeah, I guess you need some serious help. 90 times in 5 years? You need to start paying the fark up. You are on some seriously hazard prone shiat, and obviously relying on us. Why fix it if someone will come and rescue you for free?

The pirates in Somalia are threatening American investments. Do you think we are just over there to be good boy scouts? Just hanging out being good smaritans in some wasteland of an ocean off of Africa, cause why not? Nothing better to do.


Are you seriously defending Carnival blatantly/disgustingly freeloading on the American taxpayer?

No, im saying is if you want them to pay then tell them they have to pay or they can sit and drift. Dont run around helping people then put your hand out and then get mad when they just give you a high 5


On a note of speculation, I think that is where the Senator is going with this. Seeing the response and then most likely making a precedent for the future, since they are obvious abusers of the system.

"okay, now that I understand you completely. Here's how I will try and shape future law for your sorry asses"
 
2013-04-04 11:00:14 AM  
Looks like the Coast Guard runs over 20,000 sorties a year. There probably are a number of other companies who also are involved in 90 over 10 years.
USCG stats
 
2013-04-04 11:00:56 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Hunn dodged the issue of how much Carnival pays in federal taxes, but replied that cruise industry ships that call at U.S. ports "pay hundreds of millions of dollars in annual fees and taxes to federal, state and local government agencies in the form of port head taxes, dock fees, wharfage and other fees."

Haha, they are using the same excuse people who download music off the internet use to justify not paying for music.


I'm not following the logic.  Care to expound?
 
2013-04-04 11:01:49 AM  
Hey, Senator Rockefeller, how many millions were spent in the unsuccessful search and rescue of your cousin Michael?
www.news.harvard.edu
 
2013-04-04 11:04:32 AM  

CheapEngineer: dittybopper: monty666: The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.

So it's like sex?

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 300x300]


Aaaaaaaaaand that's enough internet for today, thanks!
 
2013-04-04 11:04:33 AM  
My brother is supposed to go on a cruise soon, and it was originally going to be Carnival on one of the ships that had a problem.

/ I've never gone on a cruise.
 
2013-04-04 11:04:52 AM  
Well what do you know, just like the healthcare industry, ANOTHER company that prefers oligarch-style anti-competitiveness and schemes to good will and open market competition.

Health insurance+providers systematically hold customer's health and wellbeing hostage against a runaway feedback loop that raises prices more and more. Likewise, Carnival here is holding U.S. citizens safety and possibly lives hostage against saving money via easy ways to dodge taxes. The CG would never refuse to save lives, let alone U.S. citizen's lives, just to stuff it to Carnival. So Carnival cackles gleefully as it saves piddly change that will probably go to the CEO as a bonus.

So pathetically disgusting.
 
2013-04-04 11:04:54 AM  

MBooda: Hey, Senator Rockefeller, how many millions were spent in the unsuccessful search and rescue of your cousin Michael?
[www.news.harvard.edu image 450x321]


Nice penis gourds.
 
2013-04-04 11:05:03 AM  

Therion: "Your ship is registered where? If you're on fire and sinking, we'll be right there. Otherwise, call the Liberian Coast Guard."


So you would let several thousand people -- and probably some Americans -- drown to be vindictive?

Digital Communist: Brick-House: Carnival Cruise Lines: Already taken care of by way of paying taxes.

Why would you think Carnival is different from any other big corporation?

From:  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/business/economy/02leonhardt.html?_ r =3&
"Over the last five years, the company (Carnival) has paid total corporate taxes - federal, state, local and foreign - equal to only 1.1 percent of its cumulative $11.3 billion in profits. Thanks to an obscure loophole in the tax code, Carnival can legally avoid most taxes. "


So then we're complaining about $4.2 million in costs from a Panamanian company that contributes $113 million in tax revenue?
 
2013-04-04 11:07:12 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: Joe Blowme: And how about all those bills from the police when they help you out? Man i cant stand thoses either.

If you're stranded on the highway and a cop stops and calls a tow for you, you do indeed get billed by the PD, and by the tow company. (so I've heard, NC, your State may vary).

Joe Blowme: I wonder when the check from the people we saved from pirates off the Somali coast will get here.

I think we should leave that to the Liberian Navy, like we should let the Panamanian Coast Guard rescue the Carnival ships. (Or possibly bill Liberia and Panama, or repatriate the ships thereto).


Here the PD does not bill you (unless its impounded) but of course the tow company will... but you know that up front is my only point.  If you are saved by a lifegaurd, do you get a bill? Not on the coast so i dont know how it works on the coastal beaches maybe they do. Maybe going forward they should be upfront and say for x dollars we will help you if not, call a water cab.
 
2013-04-04 11:08:12 AM  

msupf: Well, you do pay for emergency response vehicles in your daily life, so why not these guys? Ever have an ambulance transport you to the hospital? Yeah, you are charged for that, whether it is a municipal (fire dept) vehicle or hospital transport.


EMS services usually aren't municipal entities. It may say such and such county EMS but look at the bill you get. They are usually their own corporations.
 
2013-04-04 11:09:25 AM  

Netrngr: Also being a branch of the military the CG holds as part of its duty to assist the 4000 American citizens on each cruise. His honor can blow it outta his ass.


That's all well and good, but do you REALLY want the Nanny State to get bigger and bigger and make policies that raise taxes just to cover the vague future possibilities of disaster rescues? Once you let that cat out of the bag, there's no saying how much vague reasoning could go into a laundry list of future disasters. The sky would be the limit. It seems to me that it's just common sense to issue bills for saving people from a specific shiatty situation that couldn't possibly have been well defined or predicted by any prior law or policy.
 
2013-04-04 11:14:22 AM  

Mixolydian Master: Joe Blowme: Mixolydian Master: Joe Blowme: TAG has to be for the senator. Dont save people if all you want is to be paid for saving them.

That's what I told the hospital for the ambulance ride. So far, it's gotten me nowhere...

And how about all those bills from the police when they help you out? Man i cant stand thoses either.
I wonder when the check from the people we saved from pirates off the Somali coast will get here.

I pay American tax dollars for police protection. What has the Panamanian for profit billionaire paid for first class service? Once or twice...yeah, I guess you need some serious help. 90 times in 5 years? You need to start paying the fark up. You are on some seriously hazard prone shiat, and obviously relying on us. Why fix it if someone will come and rescue you for free?

The pirates in Somalia are threatening American investments. Do you think we are just over there to be good boy scouts? Just hanging out being good smaritans in some wasteland of an ocean off of Africa, cause why not? Nothing better to do.


Are you seriously defending Carnival blatantly/disgustingly freeloading on the American taxpayer?


Lemme guess..You are one of the Occupy assholes. God forbid a company actually provide a service and make money doing it because everyone should have everything here in utopia unicorn happy fun world. Grow the fark up.
 
2013-04-04 11:16:10 AM  
In most states if you start a fire (campfire, burning leaves, etc) and it gets out of hand you can be financially liable for the cost of the fire department.....I see no difference in this.
 
2013-04-04 11:16:53 AM  

Bontesla: Stop harassing job creators!


The employ as many non-citizens as they do Americans.
 
2013-04-04 11:19:35 AM  

Netrngr: Mixolydian Master: Joe Blowme: Mixolydian Master: Joe Blowme: TAG has to be for the senator. Dont save people if all you want is to be paid for saving them.

That's what I told the hospital for the ambulance ride. So far, it's gotten me nowhere...

And how about all those bills from the police when they help you out? Man i cant stand thoses either.
I wonder when the check from the people we saved from pirates off the Somali coast will get here.

I pay American tax dollars for police protection. What has the Panamanian for profit billionaire paid for first class service? Once or twice...yeah, I guess you need some serious help. 90 times in 5 years? You need to start paying the fark up. You are on some seriously hazard prone shiat, and obviously relying on us. Why fix it if someone will come and rescue you for free?

The pirates in Somalia are threatening American investments. Do you think we are just over there to be good boy scouts? Just hanging out being good smaritans in some wasteland of an ocean off of Africa, cause why not? Nothing better to do.


Are you seriously defending Carnival blatantly/disgustingly freeloading on the American taxpayer?

Lemme guess..You are one of the Occupy assholes. God forbid a company actually provide a service and make money doing it because everyone should have everything here in utopia unicorn happy fun world. Grow the fark up.


Nope, not an "occupy asshole" Just an American military expatriate living in Germany that thinks a foreign for profit company should be paying for a rescue operation that costs American time and money. Hell, a towtruck cost me money when I got a flat tire. But I guess when you are billionaires, everything is free.
 
2013-04-04 11:20:19 AM  

Babwa Wawa: dittybopper: You know what happens then?

The cruise lines stop using US ports, and they fly the people who want to cruise to a foreign port for the start and end-points of their cruises.  So you lose any revenue you get from port fees, taxes, local sales of supplies and fuel, and the employment of dock-side cruise workers.

I don't think so.  70% of Americans don't even have f*cking passports.  Not to mention that it would take 800,000 airline seats to embark and debark a single cruise ship for a year.


Most of us don't have passports because we can drive for 70 hours in a straight line and not leave the country.  Can't do that in many other places.
 
2013-04-04 11:22:05 AM  
Daniels:
So then we're complaining about $4.2 million in costs from a Panamanian Florida based company that contributes $113 million in tax revenue?
FTFY
 
2013-04-04 11:22:32 AM  

MindStalker: monty666: cman: I wonder if a Fire Department would do something like this to someone who just cant stop setting his things ablaze.

I saw a story on the news where a fire department let a house burn in front of them because the homeowner hadn't paid their annual fee.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let- ho me-burn-over-75-fee-again?lite

Honestly I think its a reasonable policy, you can agree to pay 2200 is you didn't pay the fee, I'm wondering if this family said no or what.


This is why we have rural fire protection districts out here.  It's a property tax, meaning your mortgage will include it, and if you don't have a mortgage, you'll get a lien if you don't pay.  In other words, idiots who think it'll never happen to them never get the opportunity to be idiots.
 
2013-04-04 11:24:35 AM  

Therion: "Your ship is registered where? If you're on fire and sinking, we'll be right there. Otherwise, call the Liberian Coast Guard."


It doesn't work like that.  Under SOLAS, if you receive a distress call from a vessel and can render aid, you must do so.  It's required by international law, not just a code of honor.
 
2013-04-04 11:27:52 AM  

torusXL: Netrngr: Also being a branch of the military the CG holds as part of its duty to assist the 4000 American citizens on each cruise. His honor can blow it outta his ass.

That's all well and good, but do you REALLY want the Nanny State to get bigger and bigger and make policies that raise taxes just to cover the vague future possibilities of disaster rescues? Once you let that cat out of the bag, there's no saying how much vague reasoning could go into a laundry list of future disasters. The sky would be the limit. It seems to me that it's just common sense to issue bills for saving people from a specific shiatty situation that couldn't possibly have been well defined or predicted by any prior law or policy.


I agree to some extent but were talking the coast guard here. Rescuing ships is part of what they are there for. and lets face it 90 calls in 10 years out of 200,00o some odd calls in the same time frame isn't exactly burning up the line. Ive called Time Warner support more often than that during the same time frame. I'm seriously considering starting a sea tow type business catering to large ships like this. Then you farkers can biatch about me not paying enough taxes ;)
 
2013-04-04 11:28:58 AM  

Netrngr: Lemme guess..You are one of the Occupy assholes. God forbid a company actually provide a service and make money doing it because everyone should have everything here in utopia unicorn happy fun world. Grow the fark up.


Like I said before, it's people like you who are being played for a fool. Companies these days are becoming less and less what you think you're supporting, the happy-happy-joy-joy free market that regulates itself with the invisible hand and makes magical profits and more and more monopolistic oligarchy-resembling forts hoarding money.

But hey, you just keep sucking their cock while getting nothing in return. Just remember that years from now, you'll be weeping that you don't get any love or affection and he just won't care.
 
2013-04-04 11:30:50 AM  

Netrngr: Daniels:
So then we're complaining about $4.2 million in costs from a Panamanian Florida based company that contributes $113 million in tax revenue?
FTFY


SHIP:                                   Flag:

Carnival Fantasy                 Panama

Carnival Ecstasy                 Panama

Carnival Sensation             Bahamas

Carnival Fascination           Bahamas

Carnival Imagination           Bahamas

Carnival Inspiration             Bahamas

And on and on and on and on and on and on and on

For an American company, they don't fly any American flags on any of their ships.

I only wonder why...

There has to be a good reason. I've been assured they are an American company.

So what could it be?
 
2013-04-04 11:31:47 AM  

Netrngr: lets face it 90 calls in 10 years out of 200,00o some odd calls in the same time frame isn't exactly burning up the line


I think the millions of U.S. citizens, single moms for instance, who don't have any money out of no fault of their own, who see millions of dollars being put against saving entitled vacation-goers from an arrogant company would beg to differ.
 
2013-04-04 11:34:10 AM  

dittybopper: monty666: The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.

So it's like sex?


Only if you do it right.
 
2013-04-04 11:34:56 AM  
Interesting that in this thread many of our resident conservatives are advocating on the side of Carnival.
Not really a surprise.
 
2013-04-04 11:35:28 AM  

Netrngr: Daniels:
So then we're complaining about $4.2 million in costs from a Panamanian Florida based company that contributes $113 million in tax revenue?
FTFY


Not quite.

Their HQ and admin may be in Florida, but the company is based in a different company. They don't pay any Federal income taxes. None. That $110 million in Federal taxes that they have paid is the employee-share of payroll taxes on their land-based employees in Florida. Their ship-board employees are almost all foreign nationals with the exception of entertainment-based people.
Oh, and they aren't the only business doing this. Google is based in Ireland, but other companies don't depend on free rescues since they are essentially holding the passengers hostage.
 
2013-04-04 11:39:10 AM  
You can't arbitrarily decide that Company X or person Y has required too much assistance lately, and then throw a bill for services rendered at them.

There are presumably laws- or lack thereof- covering how expenses related to USCGS rescues are handled. I wouldn't expect any of you to pay rescue expenses you're not obligated to pay, and the same goes for Carnival. I'm sure it's fun for Rockefeller to grandstand on the issue, but it's not really a new issue that has unknown aspects of it.

Now, Carnival may need some help pulling their heads out of their asses, but that's a separate matter that might require new laws and is open to debate.
 
2013-04-04 11:41:35 AM  

dfenstrate: You can't arbitrarily decide that Company X or person Y has required too much assistance lately, and then throw a bill for services rendered at them.

There are presumably laws- or lack thereof- covering how expenses related to USCGS rescues are handled. I wouldn't expect any of you to pay rescue expenses you're not obligated to pay, and the same goes for Carnival. I'm sure it's fun for Rockefeller to grandstand on the issue, but it's not really a new issue that has unknown aspects of it.

Now, Carnival may need some help pulling their heads out of their asses, but that's a separate matter that might require new laws and is open to debate.


Who better to grandstand about an issue that may require new laws than a lawmaker?
 
2013-04-04 11:44:44 AM  

Latinwolf: Interesting that in this thread many of our resident conservatives are advocating on the side of Carnival.
Not really a surprise.


Not really.  It's common sense:  You do not want to open the can of worms that is charging people for marine rescue/allowing your coast guard to be able to choose who they rescue.  That could get ugly reeeeaallly farking fast.

This issue is totally separate from Carnival being cheap bastards who need to have their ability to operate in the US pulled until they learn to spend the money to maintain their fleet.
 
2013-04-04 11:46:05 AM  
I stand corrected. After doing a little more research, while they do call Fla their corporate home they are indeed incorporated in Panama. I will now bow out and allow the hate to continue. Still gotta say I rather enjoyed my cruise and will probably use them again.
 
2013-04-04 11:47:20 AM  

NEDM: Latinwolf: Interesting that in this thread many of our resident conservatives are advocating on the side of Carnival.
Not really a surprise.

Not really.  It's common sense:  You do not want to open the can of worms that is charging people for marine rescue/allowing your coast guard to be able to choose who they rescue.  That could get ugly reeeeaallly farking fast.

This issue is totally separate from Carnival being cheap bastards who need to have their ability to operate in the US pulled until they learn to spend the money to maintain their fleet.


You could simply make a rule that the first 3-4 are free. When you go 90 times in 5 years... It's not really a courtesy anymore. It's a complete burden on the rescue outfit.

Imagine if you went drunk mountain climbing and required a helicopter rescue 90 times in 5 years...


yeah
 
2013-04-04 11:47:40 AM  

NightOwl2255: StRalphTheLiar: That surprised me, so I went to Carnival's site and checked. You are correct. I have been on 2 other cruise lines previously and both required adults to bring a passport, so I guess that was just their rule.

It's not their rule. It's US law. The only, only, international travel that does not require a passport is a cruise that leaves out of, and returns to, the same port.


BUT, if it makes any stops along the way, youre not allowed to get off the ship.
 
2013-04-04 11:54:03 AM  

Mixolydian Master: NEDM: Latinwolf: Interesting that in this thread many of our resident conservatives are advocating on the side of Carnival.
Not really a surprise.

Not really.  It's common sense:  You do not want to open the can of worms that is charging people for marine rescue/allowing your coast guard to be able to choose who they rescue.  That could get ugly reeeeaallly farking fast.

This issue is totally separate from Carnival being cheap bastards who need to have their ability to operate in the US pulled until they learn to spend the money to maintain their fleet.

You could simply make a rule that the first 3-4 are free. When you go 90 times in 5 years... It's not really a courtesy anymore. It's a complete burden on the rescue outfit.

Imagine if you went drunk mountain climbing and required a helicopter rescue 90 times in 5 years...


yeah


Well, let's be reasonable here.  It's exceedingly likely a large amount of those 90 calls were for something like airlifting a passenger who needed medical help off the ship.  I can only think of three major incidents involving Carnival ships over the past 3 years (including the Costa Concordia); it's not like every one of those 90 calls were for a incident on the scale of the Carnival Triumph.
 
2013-04-04 11:54:34 AM  

NEDM: Not really.  It's common sense:  You do not want to open the can of worms that is charging people for marine rescue/allowing your coast guard to be able to choose who they rescue.  That could get ugly reeeeaallly farking fast.


I sense that you are blowing smoke out your ass. Do you reallllly think the CG would risk political backlash for yawning while hundreds of U.S. citizens drowned? Not to mention what Carnival said, that "honor of the sea".

The only bag of worms here is that by not allowing the CG to bill for specific rescues (each of which have their own specific situations and problems), then they will find funding elsewhere. And that elsewhere would probably be to run to Congress to create blanket policies that guarantee enough funding to cover the average annual cost of rescues.

So, the choice is between a more bloated CG bureaucracy, or the imagined danger that the CG will cherry pick around their duty of saving people's lives around the coast.
 
2013-04-04 11:56:21 AM  

dittybopper: vpb: I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.

It was taxes and increased regulation that drove the cruise industry to register their ships overseas in the first place.


No, it was greed.
 
2013-04-04 11:56:59 AM  

NEDM: Mixolydian Master: NEDM: Latinwolf: Interesting that in this thread many of our resident conservatives are advocating on the side of Carnival.
Not really a surprise.

Not really.  It's common sense:  You do not want to open the can of worms that is charging people for marine rescue/allowing your coast guard to be able to choose who they rescue.  That could get ugly reeeeaallly farking fast.

This issue is totally separate from Carnival being cheap bastards who need to have their ability to operate in the US pulled until they learn to spend the money to maintain their fleet.

You could simply make a rule that the first 3-4 are free. When you go 90 times in 5 years... It's not really a courtesy anymore. It's a complete burden on the rescue outfit.

Imagine if you went drunk mountain climbing and required a helicopter rescue 90 times in 5 years...


yeah

Well, let's be reasonable here.  It's exceedingly likely a large amount of those 90 calls were for something like airlifting a passenger who needed medical help off the ship.  I can only think of three major incidents involving Carnival ships over the past 3 years (including the Costa Concordia); it's not like every one of those 90 calls were for a incident on the scale of the Carnival Triumph.


Actually, that's an interesting angle. It's worded that "you" were scued 90 times in 5 years. So does a passenger constitute "you"? I don't know... Do you?
 
2013-04-04 11:57:45 AM  
***rescued
 
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