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(Some Guy)   Senator Rockefeller to Carnival Cruise Lines: The Coast Guard spent $4.2 million responding and rescuing you 90 times over five years. When will you pay up? Carnival: Never. It's a "maritime honor" to rescue distressed ships   (skift.com) divider line 234
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2013-04-04 06:21:50 AM
In before someone points out that $4.2 million is only 0.^A% of the entire budget so it doesn't matter.
 
2013-04-04 06:39:55 AM
Stop harassing job creators!
 
2013-04-04 06:44:41 AM
They didn't say it was an honor, they said it was a tradition, which they honor. And they think Congress should honor its traditions as well.
 
2013-04-04 07:23:38 AM
I wonder if a Fire Department would do something like this to someone who just cant stop setting his things ablaze.
 
2013-04-04 07:25:34 AM
The Coast Guard often asks Merchant Vessels to respond to emergencies and do not pay them. I see no reason why the reverse is should be expected.
 
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2013-04-04 07:44:10 AM
I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.
 
2013-04-04 07:47:32 AM

cman: I wonder if a Fire Department would do something like this to someone who just cant stop setting his things ablaze.


I saw a story on the news where a fire department let a house burn in front of them because the homeowner hadn't paid their annual fee.
 
2013-04-04 07:52:47 AM

vpb: I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.


It was taxes and increased regulation that drove the cruise industry to register their ships overseas in the first place.
 
2013-04-04 08:00:25 AM
The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.
 
2013-04-04 08:14:13 AM

monty666: The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.


So it's like sex?
 
2013-04-04 08:16:24 AM

dittybopper: vpb: I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.

It was taxes and increased regulation that drove the cruise industry to register their ships overseas in the first place.



Yeah, screw those safety, labor, and environmental standards. We're a Liberian ship! Hell, even oil rigs requiring a flag can use that workaround. The Deepwater Horizon was registered in the Marshall Islands on the other side of the frikkin' planet.
 
2013-04-04 08:21:38 AM

dittybopper: It was taxes and increased regulation that drove the cruise industry to register their ships overseas in the first place.


There are always going to be lower taxes somewhere.  If we didn't allow them to operate in the US without paying taxes, they wouldn't have registered elsewhere.

It's a pretty simple rule change - your ship cannot be registered with any country where less than X% of your cargo or passengers are loaded or unloaded.
 
2013-04-04 08:27:06 AM
Take them to court or STFU.
 
2013-04-04 08:30:59 AM

dittybopper: monty666: The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.

So it's like sex?


Oh yeah. The dirtier the better.
 
2013-04-04 08:31:41 AM

dittybopper: monty666: The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.

So it's like sex?


but usually with less poop in the hallways.  usually.
 
2013-04-04 08:33:51 AM
Not to white knight too much, but Carnival also rescues others in distress. Just one article:  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/25/3306167/carnival-ships-rescues- t wo-ill.html
 
2013-04-04 08:35:59 AM
Hunn dodged the issue of how much Carnival pays in federal taxes, but replied that cruise industry ships that call at U.S. ports "pay hundreds of millions of dollars in annual fees and taxes to federal, state and local government agencies in the form of port head taxes, dock fees, wharfage and other fees."

Haha, they are using the same excuse people who download music off the internet use to justify not paying for music.
 
2013-04-04 08:48:17 AM

vpb: I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.


You think that the cruise industry doesn't pay taxes?

interesting.
 
2013-04-04 08:50:58 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Hunn dodged the issue of how much Carnival pays in federal taxes, but replied that cruise industry ships that call at U.S. ports "pay hundreds of millions of dollars in annual fees and taxes to federal, state and local government agencies in the form of port head taxes, dock fees, wharfage and other fees."

Haha, they are using the same excuse people who download music off the internet use to justify not paying for music.


So does the entire Merchant Marine fleet, but those guys aren't causing 90 mayday calls for the same fleet in 5 years. Carnival needs to get its fricken act together. They're a luxury cruise company, not a coast guard training exercise provider (well they are really, but thats not their stated purpose of dragging 4000 people out to sea in a POS floating hotel)
 
2013-04-04 08:51:22 AM
Cruise ship companies pay taxes. Also, the employees and the guests pay taxes.
 
2013-04-04 08:52:19 AM

Babwa Wawa: dittybopper: It was taxes and increased regulation that drove the cruise industry to register their ships overseas in the first place.

There are always going to be lower taxes somewhere.  If we didn't allow them to operate in the US without paying taxes, they wouldn't have registered elsewhere.

It's a pretty simple rule change - your ship cannot be registered with any country where less than X% of your cargo or passengers are loaded or unloaded.


You know what happens then?

The cruise lines stop using US ports, and they fly the people who want to cruise to a foreign port for the start and end-points of their cruises.  So you lose any revenue you get from port fees, taxes, local sales of supplies and fuel, and the employment of dock-side cruise workers.
 
2013-04-04 08:55:48 AM

Generation_D: So does the entire Merchant Marine fleet, but those guys aren't causing 90 mayday calls for the same fleet in 5 years.


I'm assuming you can support that assertion with a link?
 
2013-04-04 08:59:15 AM
"Your ship is registered where? If you're on fire and sinking, we'll be right there. Otherwise, call the Liberian Coast Guard."
 
2013-04-04 09:03:13 AM
Next time, the Navy should just take off the passengers, declare Carnival's $500,000,000 ship a hazard to navigation and torpedo it.
 
2013-04-04 09:03:54 AM

dittybopper: You know what happens then?

The cruise lines stop using US ports, and they fly the people who want to cruise to a foreign port for the start and end-points of their cruises.  So you lose any revenue you get from port fees, taxes, local sales of supplies and fuel, and the employment of dock-side cruise workers.


I don't think so.  70% of Americans don't even have f*cking passports.  Not to mention that it would take 800,000 airline seats to embark and debark a single cruise ship for a year.
 
2013-04-04 09:16:35 AM
Gee, we could almost just not allow Carnival to use US ports anymore....

dittybopper: monty666: The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.

So it's like sex?


Yep.  Diseases and all.
 
2013-04-04 09:18:24 AM

dittybopper: Generation_D: So does the entire Merchant Marine fleet, but those guys aren't causing 90 mayday calls for the same fleet in 5 years.

I'm assuming you can support that assertion with a link?


Nope. Standard grade internet unsupported claim.

I'll start pointing yours out going forward, if we're changing the rules of engagement.
 
2013-04-04 09:25:45 AM

xanadian: Gee, we could almost just not allow Carnival to use US ports anymore....


Carnival doesnt operate American flagged vessels. Which ever flag the ship has determines how these ships are treated. We probably have international agreements that makes it difficult to close American ports from a specific fleet.
 
2013-04-04 09:39:26 AM

cman: xanadian: Gee, we could almost just not allow Carnival to use US ports anymore....

Carnival doesnt operate American flagged vessels. Which ever flag the ship has determines how these ships are treated. We probably have international agreements that makes it difficult to close American ports from a specific fleet.


One of the reasons no cruise company operates a US Flag vessel is the regulation that any vessel flying a US Flag has to be built here or get a special exemption from congress.  Norwegian managed to get that exemption on a couple of ships, by buying the SS United States and promising to restore her, the then sold her after they got the  exemption.
 
2013-04-04 09:47:52 AM
Back when I was in the Coast Guard we caught this guy who would repeatedly make false distress calls over the radio. He would sit outside out station and watch us scramble the boats and head out in the search.
 
2013-04-04 09:48:15 AM
I'm sure Admiralty Law has some right of salvage stuff in it, but would Carnival buy back their ship?

Plus, with the right political stockholders, they could always claim a terrorist ate their homework, crippled their engines, stopped up their toilet, forgot to clean enough for the norovirus to hit, etc.
 
2013-04-04 09:48:29 AM
Let 'em drown, they knew what they were getting into when they bought the tickets.
 
2013-04-04 09:51:32 AM

monty666: cman: I wonder if a Fire Department would do something like this to someone who just cant stop setting his things ablaze.

I saw a story on the news where a fire department let a house burn in front of them because the homeowner hadn't paid their annual fee.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let- ho me-burn-over-75-fee-again?lite

Honestly I think its a reasonable policy, you can agree to pay 2200 is you didn't pay the fee, I'm wondering if this family said no or what.
 
2013-04-04 09:53:37 AM
Coast Guard to respond by sending floaties and a headless chicken to save the next Carnival cruise ship
 
2013-04-04 09:53:56 AM
I am ok with Carnival's answer. Carnival needs a Sea Tow account. In fact, just use the tow service all the time and save on fuel and maintenance.

/never taking a Carnival clown cruise.
 
2013-04-04 09:54:25 AM
Simple solution, rescue the people, leave the ship.  Won't be long before all of Carnival's fleet is sitting on the bottom acting as artificial reefs.  Then they won't cost the Coast Guard anything.
 
2013-04-04 09:55:08 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Next time, the Navy should just take off the passengers, declare Carnival's $500,000,000 ship a hazard to navigation and torpedo it.


That's a bingo.
 
2013-04-04 09:56:20 AM

vpb: I don't think the Coast Guard should charge, but there should be enough of a tax on the cruise industry to cover the average cost of responding to their problems.  The money is going to come from somewhere.


I think the concept you're thinking of is called "insurance".
 
2013-04-04 09:56:53 AM
Carnival is the most evil company and has dodged paying the most money to the US government recent company that people remember from the news so it's time to pretend to care about them so people think you actually do things in congress
 
2013-04-04 09:58:22 AM

Tom_Slick: cman: xanadian: Gee, we could almost just not allow Carnival to use US ports anymore....

Carnival doesnt operate American flagged vessels. Which ever flag the ship has determines how these ships are treated. We probably have international agreements that makes it difficult to close American ports from a specific fleet.

One of the reasons no cruise company operates a US Flag vessel is the regulation that any vessel flying a US Flag has to be built here or get a special exemption from congress.  Norwegian managed to get that exemption on a couple of ships, by buying the SS United States and promising to restore her, the then sold her after they got the  exemption.


the SS United States and promising to restore her, the then sold her after they got the  exemption.  Farking bastards, this made me so angry after looking at her rot for so many years
 
2013-04-04 09:58:26 AM
I would suggest they call the Mexican or Jamaican Coast Guard next time.
 
2013-04-04 09:58:43 AM
I understand the point the Senator is trying to make, rescue operations do cost money.  But there does exist a culture of helping other vessels in distress, because you never know when your ship will break down, and you don't want to be the one stranded out there in that big blue wasteland.
 
2013-04-04 09:59:37 AM
I thought that's what taxes paid for?
 
2013-04-04 09:59:45 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: rescue the people, leave the ship.


Having a derelict ship is not a good thing.

DoBeDoBeDo: Then they won't cost the Coast Guard anything.


It doesn't cost money to send up helicopters, redirect cutters, and provide food/medical services to survivors?
 
2013-04-04 10:00:05 AM
When will idiots stop taking cruises?

Seriously, worst form of vacation ever. Crass, gross and peasanty. Give it break!
 
2013-04-04 10:00:37 AM
Doesn't the Coast Guard have the authority to prevent a ship from sailing or from entering/leaving US waters?  Maybe a blockade or grounding of some sort is in order until a full safety inspection is done on the entire fleet (perhaps to the tune of $42 million).
 
2013-04-04 10:01:23 AM

Molavian: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Next time, the Navy should just take off the passengers, declare Carnival's $500,000,000 ship a hazard to navigation and torpedo it.

That's a bingo.


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2013-04-04 10:01:42 AM
I think the Coast Guard should pay us for keeping the cost of drugs and labor artificially high by preventing traffickers and illegal aliens from getting into the country.
 
2013-04-04 10:02:48 AM

dittybopper: monty666: The whole cruise thing is kind of sleazy and gross.

So it's like sex?


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2013-04-04 10:02:53 AM
in Houston we pay them to come to the cruise ship pier we built with tax money.
http://www.chron.com/business/article/Port-will-pay-6-7-million-to-l ur e-two-cruise-4051674.php
 
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