And Jon Stewart had them totally nude in his book. Your point?

This kind of ignorance used to make me mad... Now I just feel sorry for these pathetic morons. Sure, some of it is probably willful ignorance, and I think that's even worse, but these assholes are going to be left behind by history and they're relatives will be embarrassed by their words and actions.

They've lost and their too stupid or too stubborn to realize it.

...and I have no idea how to use "They're" and "Their", apparently.

ArgusRun: And Jon Stewart had them totally nude in his book. Your point?

Yeah, that was an image you can't unsee.

winterbraid: "Because if there's one thing I know about straight guys, is they'll jump at any chance for their peers to think they might be gay," the host continued,

done in 0

Wasn't there some other clown who said allowing gays in the Boy Scouts will make all the scouts want to go gay all over each other because now they think it's cool?

I really don't understand the ignorance from some of these folks...

winterbraid: keylock71: ...and I have no idea how to use "They're" and "Their", apparently.

PROTIP: there interchangeable

Literally... : )

Thanks to subby, I am now seeing Scalia in a bubble 'do and wearing a sleeveless, sequined gown.

winterbraid: Karac: ArgusRun: And Jon Stewart had them totally nude in his book. Your point?

Yeah, that was an image you can't unsee.

i was doing pretty good until this thread :/


It's like herpes.  It doesn't go away, it just lays dormant.  Then, you get a cold, or your period, or something else, and BLAMMO, you get an outbreak.  Ruth Bader Ginberg's bush and Antonin Scalia's wrinkledy old man balls.

Thankfully, that's the highest resolution I could find, and, as if you couldn't tell from the description, definitely not safe for work.  Havve the eyebleach handy before clicking.

keylock71: winterbraid: "Because if there's one thing I know about straight guys, is they'll jump at any chance for their peers to think they might be gay," the host continued,

done in 0

Wasn't there some other clown who said allowing gays in the Boy Scouts will make all the scouts want to go gay all over each other because now they think it's cool?

I really don't understand the ignorance from some of these folks...

I sort of had an epiphany about this last night in regard to a David Brooks piece. I posted the following in another thread:

This is really the crux of the issue for a lot of people on the right. All that moral indignation about the "gay lifestyle" was envy. It was filled with dreams of never being "trapped" by a woman. In the dream, there was constant sex, never ever getting turned down because what guy is ever going to say no to sex? And, of course, if you're not trapped by a wife and kids, you could totally take that dream job that didn't pay very much, or you could have joined the Merchant Marines and seen the world, or you could have hitch hiked through Europe, or done a thousand other things. But you have a family. They trapped you. You're stuck.

But gay men? They live the dream. And if some of them want to get married, maybe you have to admit that you didn't have a thousand options. There really are only a few guys on earth, gay or straight, who get all the tail they want, and you are not one of them. No one really likes being poor, and, honestly, you don't have the talent/connections/luck to make a good living at something fun. Best case scenario for you is that you don't have a job that makes you feel like you want to die, and it pays you enough that you can do something you love on the weekend or the odd week night. And your wife? She didn't trap you. You were lucky to find her, and you secretly pray to God that she doesn't leave you because you world would fall apart.

winterbraid: DeaH: in regard to a David Brooks piece

linky?

It was probably this one: he said that gays wanting to get married will backfire, since being married actually restricts your freedom by chaining you down to the person you love.  There was some confusion over whether it was written as an April Fools prank.  I content that he's just that stupid.

If there's any doubt as to whether something falls under Poe's law or just general cranio-rectal inversion, the head in the ass is generally the safe bet.

DeaH: keylock71: winterbraid: "Because if there's one thing I know about straight guys, is they'll jump at any chance for their peers to think they might be gay," the host continued,

done in 0

Wasn't there some other clown who said allowing gays in the Boy Scouts will make all the scouts want to go gay all over each other because now they think it's cool?

I really don't understand the ignorance from some of these folks...

I sort of had an epiphany about this last night in regard to a David Brooks piece. I posted the following in another thread:

This is really the crux of the issue for a lot of people on the right. All that moral indignation about the "gay lifestyle" was envy. It was filled with dreams of never being "trapped" by a woman. In the dream, there was constant sex, never ever getting turned down because what guy is ever going to say no to sex? And, of course, if you're not trapped by a wife and kids, you could totally take that dream job that didn't pay very much, or you could have joined the Merchant Marines and seen the world, or you could have hitch hiked through Europe, or done a thousand other things. But you have a family. They trapped you. You're stuck.

But gay men? They live the dream. And if some of them want to get married, maybe you have to admit that you didn't have a thousand options. There really are only a few guys on earth, gay or straight, who get all the tail they want, and you are not one of them. No one really likes being poor, and, honestly, you don't have the talent/connections/luck to make a good living at something fun. Best case scenario for you is that you don't have a job that makes you feel like you want to die, and it pays you enough that you can do something you love on the weekend or the odd week night. And your wife? She didn't trap you. You were lucky to find her, and you secretly pray to God that she doesn't leave you because you world would fall apart.

Heh... Those gays are just having way too much fun, apparently. : ) Though, I think religious dogma and perceived "social norms" have more to do with it.

And, man, that's a depressing view on marriage. Been with my wife since we were 19, and I've never felt like that. Traveled all over the world as a younger man, have plenty of stories to tell, and I love my job, too (though, I make shiat for money).

Having said that, I do tend to feel trapped when I'n stuck in the car or in the house with my wife, my mother-in-law, and my sister. Holy shiat, women love to jabber about nothing for hours on end.

winterbraid: keylock71: winterbraid: "Because if there's one thing I know about straight guys, is they'll jump at any chance for their peers to think they might be gay," the host continued,

done in 0

Wasn't there some other clown who said allowing gays in the Boy Scouts will make all the scouts want to go gay all over each other because now they think it's cool?

I really don't understand the ignorance from some of these folks...

or that allowing gay scout leaders would endanger kids? i got molested just fine without any gay scout leaders.

but then, i was pretty sexy for a 10 year old.

There is a woman who works in my business unit who is a lesbian and has been in a relationship with the same woman for as long as I've known her. We don't really socialize, but we were both at a poker game one time and we had probably the longest conversation we had had and while I forget how it came up, she talked for a while about her involvement with the girl scouts since her youth. She loved it as a child and became very involved as a troop leader as an adult. When it became known that she was a lesbian, she was unceremoniously booted. The conversation we were having was quite a few years after this had happened and I could still see and hear the pain and disappointment in her eyes and voice. This woman is a successful executive in a long term committed relationship and, I can only assume, was a wonderful and dedicated troop leader. It was nothing short of a crime.   I'll never forget that. So sad.

bah the best "image you don't want to see painted by Colbert last night" was the one of Morning Joe's  Mike Barnicle fellating Mark Sanford.

keylock71: DeaH: keylock71: winterbraid: "Because if there's one thing I know about straight guys, is they'll jump at any chance for their peers to think they might be gay," the host continued,

done in 0

Wasn't there some other clown who said allowing gays in the Boy Scouts will make all the scouts want to go gay all over each other because now they think it's cool?

I really don't understand the ignorance from some of these folks...

I sort of had an epiphany about this last night in regard to a David Brooks piece. I posted the following in another thread:

This is really the crux of the issue for a lot of people on the right. All that moral indignation about the "gay lifestyle" was envy. It was filled with dreams of never being "trapped" by a woman. In the dream, there was constant sex, never ever getting turned down because what guy is ever going to say no to sex? And, of course, if you're not trapped by a wife and kids, you could totally take that dream job that didn't pay very much, or you could have joined the Merchant Marines and seen the world, or you could have hitch hiked through Europe, or done a thousand other things. But you have a family. They trapped you. You're stuck.

But gay men? They live the dream. And if some of them want to get married, maybe you have to admit that you didn't have a thousand options. There really are only a few guys on earth, gay or straight, who get all the tail they want, and you are not one of them. No one really likes being poor, and, honestly, you don't have the talent/connections/luck to make a good living at something fun. Best case scenario for you is that you don't have a job that makes you feel like you want to die, and it pays you enough that you can do something you love on the weekend or the odd week night. And your wife? She didn't trap you. You were lucky to find her, and you secretly pray to God that she doesn't leave you because you world would fall apart.

Heh... Those gays are just having way too much fun, apparently. ...

I think there are a variety of reasons people are anti-gay-marriage. For some, it just seems too outside of what they think. For others, it's a weird reading of their holy manuscripts (as in: why ignore so many things and glom onto the gay stuff?) Some fear their own attraction to the same sex. Some really do NOT like women, and they do not like to see men taking on a role that they perceive as a woman's role, nor do they like the idea of lesbian couples where some uppity female may be trying to take on a man's role. And, as of last night, I have come to see that some people view gayness as men unfettered by femaleness, a creature wild and free. For others still, it's just because they are jerks.

DeaH: keylock71: winterbraid: "Because if there's one thing I know about straight guys, is they'll jump at any chance for their peers to think they might be gay," the host continued,

done in 0

Wasn't there some other clown who said allowing gays in the Boy Scouts will make all the scouts want to go gay all over each other because now they think it's cool?

I really don't understand the ignorance from some of these folks...

I sort of had an epiphany about this last night in regard to a David Brooks piece. I posted the following in another thread:

This is really the crux of the issue for a lot of people on the right. All that moral indignation about the "gay lifestyle" was envy. It was filled with dreams of never being "trapped" by a woman. In the dream, there was constant sex, never ever getting turned down because what guy is ever going to say no to sex? And, of course, if you're not trapped by a wife and kids, you could totally take that dream job that didn't pay very much, or you could have joined the Merchant Marines and seen the world, or you could have hitch hiked through Europe, or done a thousand other things. But you have a family. They trapped you. You're stuck.

But gay men? They live the dream. And if some of them want to get married, maybe you have to admit that you didn't have a thousand options. There really are only a few guys on earth, gay or straight, who get all the tail they want, and you are not one of them. No one really likes being poor, and, honestly, you don't have the talent/connections/luck to make a good living at something fun. Best case scenario for you is that you don't have a job that makes you feel like you want to die, and it pays you enough that you can do something you love on the weekend or the odd week night. And your wife? She didn't trap you. You were lucky to find her, and you secretly pray to God that she doesn't leave you because you world would fall apart.

Can I quote you really really often?

Karac: winterbraid: DeaH: in regard to a David Brooks piece

linky?

It was probably this one: he said that gays wanting to get married will backfire, since being married actually restricts your freedom by chaining you down to the person you love.  There was some confusion over whether it was written as an April Fools prank.  I content that he's just that stupid.

If there's any doubt as to whether something falls under Poe's law or just general cranio-rectal inversion, the head in the ass is generally the safe bet.

I'd say it's that -- my takeaway from the Brooks piece isn't that he's arguing against gay marriage (which I believe he isn't opposed to, from reading some of his other writings) but that he thinks that Americans are too obsessed with freedom as the be-all and end-all, and the recent support for gay marriage shows that we're turning around and re-embracing the family as a social unit.  It's a kind of bizarro-cultural-conservative argument that I don't think appeals to anyone, not even other cultural conservatives.  Brooks has a lot of those -- it's as if he has weird little ideas that pop into his head and he spins a whole column out of it, without thinking to himself, "does this make sense to anybody?"

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what it looks like....

Arkanaut: Karac: winterbraid: DeaH: in regard to a David Brooks piece

linky?

It was probably this one: he said that gays wanting to get married will backfire, since being married actually restricts your freedom by chaining you down to the person you love.  There was some confusion over whether it was written as an April Fools prank.  I content that he's just that stupid.

If there's any doubt as to whether something falls under Poe's law or just general cranio-rectal inversion, the head in the ass is generally the safe bet.

I'd say it's that -- my takeaway from the Brooks piece isn't that he's arguing against gay marriage (which I believe he isn't opposed to, from reading some of his other writings) but that he thinks that Americans are too obsessed with freedom as the be-all and end-all, and the recent support for gay marriage shows that we're turning around and re-embracing the family as a social unit.  It's a kind of bizarro-cultural-conservative argument that I don't think appeals to anyone, not even other cultural conservatives.  Brooks has a lot of those -- it's as if he has weird little ideas that pop into his head and he spins a whole column out of it, without thinking to himself, "does this make sense to anybody?"

Pity him, he has no constituency. He's an apparently fairly intelligent Jewish man from New York trying to do conservative commentary in the New York Times. Actual conservatives despise everything about him, his newspaper and where they both come from. Liberals regard him as a curiosity (or as the voice they disagree with when he's on NPR with EJ Dionne every week). His odd position must lead to twisted arguments.

theknuckler_33: winterbraid: keylock71: winterbraid: "Because if there's one thing I know about straight guys, is they'll jump at any chance for their peers to think they might be gay," the host continued,

done in 0

Wasn't there some other clown who said allowing gays in the Boy Scouts will make all the scouts want to go gay all over each other because now they think it's cool?

I really don't understand the ignorance from some of these folks...

or that allowing gay scout leaders would endanger kids? i got molested just fine without any gay scout leaders.

but then, i was pretty sexy for a 10 year old.

There is a woman who works in my business unit who is a lesbian and has been in a relationship with the same woman for as long as I've known her. We don't really socialize, but we were both at a poker game one time and we had probably the longest conversation we had had and while I forget how it came up, she talked for a while about her involvement with the girl scouts since her youth. She loved it as a child and became very involved as a troop leader as an adult. When it became known that she was a lesbian, she was unceremoniously booted. The conversation we were having was quite a few years after this had happened and I could still see and hear the pain and disappointment in her eyes and voice. This woman is a successful executive in a long term committed relationship and, I can only assume, was a wonderful and dedicated troop leader. It was nothing short of a crime.   I'll never forget that. So sad.

I thought the Girl Scouts allowed lesbians.

impaler: Another reason this argument is stupid:
If two guys don't love each other, but need to marry for benefits, they could just as easily marry a woman they don't love.

If you're not marrying with the intent to have sex, the sex of your spouse doesn't really matter.

Except there has never been a heterosexual sham marriage, ever.  Study it out.

The Loaf: [pagnecraze.files.wordpress.com image 500x500]

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what it looks like....

Dresses that sparkly are going to overshadow the bride.

winterbraid: or that allowing gay scout leaders would endanger kids? i got molested just fine without any gay scout leaders.

Luckily, my scout leader was strictly a  heterosexualpedophile, so we boys were perfectly safe with him when we went camping.  His daughter back at home?  Not so much.

/true story, unfortunately.

Strange, I was at a wedding a couple weeks ago and the brides maids were wearing all black.

stevetherobot: There is a woman who works in my business unit who is a lesbian and has been in a relationship with the same woman for as long as I've known her. We don't really socialize, but we were both at a poker game one time and we had probably the longest conversation we had had and while I forget how it came up, she talked for a while about her involvement with the girl scouts since her youth. She loved it as a child and became very involved as a troop leader as an adult. When it became known that she was a lesbian, she was unceremoniously booted. The conversation we were having was quite a few years after this had happened and I could still see and hear the pain and disappointment in her eyes and voice. This woman is a successful executive in a long term committed relationship and, I can only assume, was a wonderful and dedicated troop leader. It was nothing short of a crime. I'll never forget that. So sad.

I thought the Girl Scouts allowed lesbians.

Some troops do now, but it varies by council and location.