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(National Post)   Some Guy: "I calculate that my cash-on-hand falls well below the $10,000 threshold." Border Gestapo: :: Clikka-clikka :: "Nope. Sorry, Citizen. We are, however, grateful for the much-needed boost to Stephen Harper's Sweater Vest Fund"   (news.nationalpost.com) divider line 152
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2013-04-04 01:11:15 AM
FTFA: a currency detector dog

I had no idea there was such a thing.  Now I'm scared.
 
2013-04-04 02:27:16 AM

Bucky Katt: FTFA: a currency detector dog

I had no idea there was such a thing.  Now I'm scared.


It just keeps walking away from me!

Side note: This guy taking just under the legal limit seems ... less than legit.
 
2013-04-04 04:08:04 AM

MadSkillz: Side note: This guy taking just under the legal limit seems ... less than legit.


Yeah.  Especially via international travel.  Doubly especially because, as far as I know, declaring that you have more than 10k in cash is f%$#ing easy as hell.  Yeah, they'll ask for some paperwork maybe, but it's not a ton.
 
2013-04-04 05:34:47 AM
He should have done the sensible thing and just shoved it up his ass
 
2013-04-04 06:35:48 AM
...mushroom business?!? LOL!!!
 
2013-04-04 06:37:51 AM

filter: ...mushroom business?!? LOL!!!


Liberty caps are still mushrooms...
 
2013-04-04 06:40:11 AM
Dumbass tag, not Stupid, subby.

/For you, too.
 
2013-04-04 06:40:46 AM
And $20 is not "well below" the threshold.
 
2013-04-04 06:44:14 AM
I remember a scene like this from the movie The Siege where they stopped a suspected terrorist at the border and find that he's carrying $20 less than maximum legal amount allowed in cash to be brought into the country and so Denzel takes a twenty out of his wallet, throws it onto the pile of cash and says something like "Well, he ain't under the limit now."

ahhh Denzel, you such a badass.
 
2013-04-04 06:48:48 AM
I love how the outrageous becomes the new normal.

"If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about!"
 
2013-04-04 06:49:13 AM
I love how they can arbitrarily decide the money you have is proceeds of a crime and just take it. And why is it only $10k and over can be the result of a crime? Maybe he was going to a casino.
 
2013-04-04 06:50:44 AM
So he has a business there, so why not just open a bank account?

Just recently opened an overseas bank account that accepts foreign currency because I want to trade shares in their market and they have a better buy rate than locally, the bank was going to charge me $20NZD to send up to $60,000NZD in a single transaction and last I heard banks don't question the legitimacy of your deposits.

This just screams dodgy seeing as he calculated it perfectly, why not just take 9K? If there's considerably more to move then he still has to make more trips anyway.
 
2013-04-04 06:52:24 AM

nmemkha: "If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about!"



And by that logic, police officers who tape civilians without their consent all the time shouldn't be too concerned with being taped in return. But the really strange thing is, this doesn't seem to work in reverse.
 
2013-04-04 06:52:46 AM

MadSkillz: Bucky Katt: FTFA: a currency detector dog

I had no idea there was such a thing.  Now I'm scared.

It just keeps walking away from me!

Side note: This guy taking just under the legal limit seems ... less than legit.


I guess we are no longer innocent until proven guilty.  now we're guilty and are not permitted to prove our innocence.  I think I'll go wave my tiny flags now, and pretend I matter to the powers that rule our lives.
 
2013-04-04 06:55:11 AM

Bucky Katt: FTFA: a currency detector dog

I had no idea there was such a thing.  Now I'm scared.


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2013-04-04 06:56:10 AM

Weaver95: MadSkillz: Bucky Katt: FTFA: a currency detector dog

I had no idea there was such a thing.  Now I'm scared.

It just keeps walking away from me!

Side note: This guy taking just under the legal limit seems ... less than legit.

I guess we are no longer innocent until proven guilty.  now we're guilty and are not permitted to prove our innocence.  I think I'll go wave my tiny flags now, and pretend I matter to the powers that rule our lives.


Except he was guilty and it was proven, he brought in more than $10,000 without declaring it. They didn't just look at the money and say it was over 10k, they calculated it to make sure.
 
2013-04-04 06:58:27 AM

Bucky Katt: FTFA: a currency detector dog

I had no idea there was such a thing.  Now I'm scared.


So: as long as you have one of these dogs around you can stop almost anyone over the age of 10 and search them?
 
2013-04-04 06:59:35 AM
Why do stupid people always seem to have more money than I do?
 
2013-04-04 06:59:54 AM

Weaver95: MadSkillz: Bucky Katt: FTFA: a currency detector dog

I had no idea there was such a thing.  Now I'm scared.

It just keeps walking away from me!

Side note: This guy taking just under the legal limit seems ... less than legit.

I guess we are no longer innocent until proven guilty.  now we're guilty and are not permitted to prove our innocence.  I think I'll go wave my tiny flags now, and pretend I matter to the powers that rule our lives.


He did break the law though. He tried to move more than $10k across customs without declaring it. The penalty of breaking said law is seizure of the money. It's not like he didn't know about the law either, by his own admittance he was trying to carry just under the legal limit that necessitates declaration.

Whether he was doing something illegal out of country seems rather irrelevant because they aren't charging him with those crimes, just the one they know he committed.
 
2013-04-04 07:00:28 AM
"In this case, Mr. Docherty's explanations were unverifiable and, as such, amounted to no explanation at all," the court ruled in dismissing his appeal.

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2013-04-04 07:09:06 AM
Not helping his case was the fact that Mr. Docherty had little in the way of business records to prove the origins of the cash.

The guy couldn't even prove his claim that the money came from a mushroom business or an inheritance as he claimed. This is why he tried to bring $20 under the limit across instead of declaring it. The idiot should have given himself more of a cushion, say $500, or something that a small daily fluctuation in the dollar wouldn't have pushed him over the limit. But if he had planned for that he would be smart enough to have a real business, and therefor have a legit $10k and would be able to declare it.
 
2013-04-04 07:09:10 AM

bighairyguy: Why do stupid people always seem to have more money than I do?


They take bigger risks.

It's why Roman Polanski is a wanted child molester instead of a beloved director whose wife died in a most horrible way. It's because he dared to dream he could be a director while you were making sound financial decisions. It's also why he dared to dream he could corn hole a 14 year old and again dared to dream he could get away with it in France.

Well all of his dreams came true.
 
2013-04-04 07:10:49 AM
God, they should shoot Polanski.
 
2013-04-04 07:14:01 AM
FTA:  "Individuals are free to arrange their affairs so as to leave the smallest possible financial footprint," wrote Justice J.D. Denis Pelletier, on behalf of the panel of appellate judges, last week. "The disadvantage of doing so is that when a question arises as to the source of large amounts of cash found in their possession, they have very few means of establishing the legitimacy of those funds.

That would be the same in the U.S.  If your income is not traceable through W-2 and 1099, you must be operating under the table and, therefore, illegal.  Just another way governments aim to track and ultimately control every aspect of your life.  If it isn't documented on a government form, it didn't legally happen.
 
2013-04-04 07:14:42 AM
Ive walked through that border with .... shock horror .... credit cards (with a significantly higher limit than 10k)

It is a dumb law

// foreign cards
 
2013-04-04 07:17:55 AM

Bucky Katt: FTFA: a currency detector dog

I had no idea there was such a thing.  Now I'm scared.


Just wait until you get hit up by the fruit beagle. I was coming back from Japan, and there was a military group who had come back from the same flight. We were waiting to pick up our bags so we could go clear customs and the fruit beagle starts sniffing this one guy's back (who is in full uniform, BTW) The agent makes him open his bag and finds an orange and loses his shiat. "Sir! This is an undeclared orange! You ARE NOT PERMITTED to bring fruit into this country! Did you not READ THE RULES??"

The guy tries to explain they gave him the orange on the damn plane and he was just saving it for later. The agent says "Sir, you are bringing OUT OF COUNTRY fruit INTO THE COUNTRY. You CANNOT do that!. You need to come with me now!"

The haul the guy off somewhere, and I didn't see him again by the time I had gotten my bags and cleared customs.
 
2013-04-04 07:19:56 AM

Mr. Right: FTA:  "Individuals are free to arrange their affairs so as to leave the smallest possible financial footprint," wrote Justice J.D. Denis Pelletier, on behalf of the panel of appellate judges, last week. "The disadvantage of doing so is that when a question arises as to the source of large amounts of cash found in their possession, they have very few means of establishing the legitimacy of those funds.

That would be the same in the U.S.  If your income is not traceable through W-2 and 1099, you must be operating under the table and, therefore, illegal.  Just another way governments aim to track and ultimately control every aspect of your life.  If it isn't documented on a government form, it didn't legally happen.


Show that you paid taxes on it and you are in the clear. It is simple.
 
2013-04-04 07:20:26 AM

Mr. Right: FTA:  "Individuals are free to arrange their affairs so as to leave the smallest possible financial footprint," wrote Justice J.D. Denis Pelletier, on behalf of the panel of appellate judges, last week. "The disadvantage of doing so is that when a question arises as to the source of large amounts of cash found in their possession, they have very few means of establishing the legitimacy of those funds.

That would be the same in the U.S.  If your income is not traceable through W-2 and 1099, you must be operating under the table and, therefore, illegal.  Just another way governments aim to track and ultimately control every aspect of your life.  If it isn't documented on a government form, it didn't legally happen.


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This is where we live now... well, minus the cheese. (mostly)
 
2013-04-04 07:23:30 AM
Who the hell travels with 10k in cash. farking retard. You can get a pre-paid credit card in a snap. What a maroon.
 
2013-04-04 07:26:36 AM
Silly American.  Something like this would never happen in Canad....oh, wait.
 
2013-04-04 07:29:56 AM
We should totally try and be more like them.
 
2013-04-04 07:34:48 AM
Yeah. I'd be more concerned about my civil liberties if there were anyone, ANYONE in the world with a legit reason to bring 10k in cash across the border. You do that to cheat on taxes and/or buy drugs, and for no other reason. That's why there's that law, and why Congress critters who support that kind of law are super popular with voters.
 
2013-04-04 07:35:19 AM

ongbok: Mr. Right: FTA:  "Individuals are free to arrange their affairs so as to leave the smallest possible financial footprint," wrote Justice J.D. Denis Pelletier, on behalf of the panel of appellate judges, last week. "The disadvantage of doing so is that when a question arises as to the source of large amounts of cash found in their possession, they have very few means of establishing the legitimacy of those funds.

That would be the same in the U.S.  If your income is not traceable through W-2 and 1099, you must be operating under the table and, therefore, illegal.  Just another way governments aim to track and ultimately control every aspect of your life.  If it isn't documented on a government form, it didn't legally happen.

Show that you paid taxes on it and you are in the clear. It is simple.


You're right.  It shows that you paid your taxes.  It also proves that you reported all of your income because the government knows that you're a liar and a cheat and without them tracking every penny of your financial transactions they wouldn't get all of "their money."  Orwell couldn't even imagine how thoroughly invasive governments would become.
 
2013-04-04 07:36:02 AM

Two Dogs Farking: Dumbass tag, not Stupid, subby.

/For you, too.


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2013-04-04 07:38:37 AM
Criminal record?

Claims to run a business with no record of said business?

Claims it was an inheritance with no record of it?

I'm okay with this.

//Crossed a border once with no cash. This was apparently suspicious. I don't think CBPSA agents know how credit cards work.
 
2013-04-04 07:39:07 AM
See what freedoms we won after WW2. Why bother.
 
2013-04-04 07:44:21 AM
Buy a prepaid card next time.
 
2013-04-04 07:45:24 AM
He represented himself in two levels of court without success.

This also usually works out well.

/ too many shrooms, son
 
2013-04-04 07:45:28 AM
ModernLuddite:  I'm okay with this.

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2013-04-04 07:45:35 AM
Meanwhile bankers move around billions of dollars in tax avoidance slush funds over international boarders everyday.
 
2013-04-04 07:48:54 AM

mrlewish: Meanwhile bankers move around billions of dollars in tax avoidance slush funds over international boarders everyday.


Both sides are wrong.  So vote what now?
 
2013-04-04 07:50:51 AM

mbillips: Yeah. I'd be more concerned about my civil liberties if there were anyone, ANYONE in the world with a legit reason to bring 10k in cash across the border. You do that to cheat on taxes and/or buy drugs, and for no other reason.


Canadian automotive import laws are more lax than the US.  The age limit where the EPA and DOT don't care anymore is 25 years, while it's only 15 years in Canada.  There are a lot of interesting Japanese and European cars that got shifted to Canada that are just now starting to become legal to bring into the US.

One of them which is just now starting to come out of the 25 year window is the Lancia Delta Integrale.  Early examples ('87ish) aren't terribly expensive, enough so that one of my goals is to stash enough cash to go north, buy one, and bring it back home.  But it would be a CASH transaction, because Mister Peejay don't do bank accounts.  Sick of the relentless fees.
 
2013-04-04 07:55:33 AM
It doesn't seem fair to punish people smuggling currency across the border by making them forfeit all of it, but in this case the guy's behavior was clearly shady, and he was given ample opportunity to argue his case in court, so, fark him and his dirty money.
 
2013-04-04 07:56:35 AM

Mister Peejay: mbillips: Yeah. I'd be more concerned about my civil liberties if there were anyone, ANYONE in the world with a legit reason to bring 10k in cash across the border. You do that to cheat on taxes and/or buy drugs, and for no other reason.

Canadian automotive import laws are more lax than the US.  The age limit where the EPA and DOT don't care anymore is 25 years, while it's only 15 years in Canada.  There are a lot of interesting Japanese and European cars that got shifted to Canada that are just now starting to become legal to bring into the US.

One of them which is just now starting to come out of the 25 year window is the Lancia Delta Integrale.  Early examples ('87ish) aren't terribly expensive, enough so that one of my goals is to stash enough cash to go north, buy one, and bring it back home.  But it would be a CASH transaction, because Mister Peejay don't do bank accounts.  Sick of the relentless fees.


Join a credit union. No fees.
 
2013-04-04 08:00:48 AM
But why waste a perfectly good opportunity to rail on Nazi customs officials and the Harper government.
 
2013-04-04 08:04:07 AM

mrlewish: Meanwhile bankers move around billions of dollars in tax avoidance slush funds over international boarders everyday.


Yes, but to be fair, those boarders are rather short in stature.
 
2013-04-04 08:04:47 AM
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2013-04-04 08:06:50 AM
I have travelled some by car and/or plane from Canada to Europe, Chile, Mongolia, the USA etc. and I do not recall having to go within 100 yards of Canada Customs when leaving Canada.   No inspection, no interview, no dogs.....

Have I been lucky in the past?

This situation, I don't even...
 
2013-04-04 08:10:50 AM

cnocnanrionnag: I have travelled some by car and/or plane from Canada to Europe, Chile, Mongolia, the USA etc. and I do not recall having to go within 100 yards of Canada Customs when leaving Canada.   No inspection, no interview, no dogs.....

Have I been lucky in the past?

This situation, I don't even...


This wasn't part of an inspection line.  A Canadian border dog hit on his cash.
 
2013-04-04 08:14:57 AM
Question:

Canada mints a 1oz gold coin with a face value of $50. If you need to transfer, say, $15000 over the border could you just take 10 Canadian gold coins and then point to the official total face value of $500 to show you're well below the limit?

Or are there laws that would foil my cunning plan?
 
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