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2013-04-03 08:27:57 PM  
I don't have many rules, but a basic one is "eat as much variety of colors as possible". Try to eat something orange, yellow, purple, red, green (etc.) everyday. It forces you to eat more fruits and vegetables, and the plant pigments that cause different colors are also responsible for providing different types of antioxidants and other nutrients.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a beer to crack.
 
2013-04-03 08:30:48 PM  
Thank god for SkittleBrau.  Drink the rainbow, vomit magenta.
 
2013-04-03 08:42:06 PM  

DeltaPunch: I don't have many rules, but a basic one is "eat as much variety of colors as possible". Try to eat something orange, yellow, purple, red, green (etc.) everyday. It forces you to eat more fruits and vegetables, and the plant pigments that cause different colors are also responsible for providing different types of antioxidants and other nutrients.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a beer to crack.


So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.
 
2013-04-03 08:50:17 PM  
I beg to differ.
 
2013-04-03 08:55:39 PM  
Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?
 
2013-04-03 08:59:06 PM  
I fail to see any rules in which the various flavors of Combos are differentiated and analyzed.
 
2013-04-03 08:59:55 PM  

revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?


Arguably, anything except grain, raw meat and fish and vegetables are "processed" foods.  Milk for example is unprocessed if gotten unpasteurized, but that's illegal.  So you can only buy "processed" milk.  That doesn't make milk bad.

So I'd interpret that as the less processing in your food, the better, which also seems to be fairly uniform in agreement across the board.
 
2013-04-03 09:09:08 PM  

GAT_00: revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?

Arguably, anything except grain, raw meat and fish and vegetables are "processed" foods.  Milk for example is unprocessed if gotten unpasteurized, but that's illegal.  So you can only buy "processed" milk.  That doesn't make milk bad.

So I'd interpret that as the less processing in your food, the better, which also seems to be fairly uniform in agreement across the board.


Don't disagree, except to point out that cooked food is generally more nutritious than raw food, so some processing is actually helpful. Not so much whatever they do to turn cheese into cheetos.
 
2013-04-03 09:14:01 PM  

revrendjim: GAT_00: revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?

Arguably, anything except grain, raw meat and fish and vegetables are "processed" foods.  Milk for example is unprocessed if gotten unpasteurized, but that's illegal.  So you can only buy "processed" milk.  That doesn't make milk bad.

So I'd interpret that as the less processing in your food, the better, which also seems to be fairly uniform in agreement across the board.

Don't disagree, except to point out that cooked food is generally more nutritious than raw food, so some processing is actually helpful. Not so much whatever they do to turn cheese into cheetos.


Agreed, which is why I said less processing.  I think health advocates would also say that cooking food yourself is not processing, but I could be wrong.  So that falls under minimal processing.

Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.
 
2013-04-03 09:17:53 PM  

GAT_00: Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.


I thought it was a quest for fire.
 
2013-04-03 09:18:32 PM  
My rules:

1. Eat something
2. Wait 30 minutes
3. Still Hungry?
a) yes: eat some more
b) no: don't eat anymore

My weight has stayed constant now for about two years. Of course that doesn't mean you can eat a cake everynight for dinner and expect to stay thin. I also cut way back on my drinking. But I just think most of this is common sense stuff. Everything in moderation and I'm fine.
 
2013-04-03 09:19:38 PM  
People during the medieval times ate organic and still didn't live past 30.
 
2013-04-03 09:22:47 PM  
Cue the "Thin Privilege" folks.
 
2013-04-03 09:23:09 PM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: GAT_00: Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.

I thought it was a quest for fire.


Quest for fire, did you say?
www.northernstars.ca
I'll just have a seat over there
 
2013-04-03 09:33:55 PM  
Processed food just means food that wasn't originally what you buy it as. It's usually a mix of plastics and waxes with flavor added to it. Everything else is safe.
 
2013-04-03 09:36:10 PM  

Tellingthem: My rules:

1. Eat something
2. Wait 30 minutes
3. Still Hungry?
a) yes: eat some more
b) no: don't eat anymore



Excellent.

You may find you don't need that eight Big Mac after all.
 
2013-04-03 09:39:16 PM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: GAT_00: Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.

I thought it was a quest for fire.


lparchive.org
 
2013-04-03 10:03:03 PM  

Amos Quito: Tellingthem: My rules:

1. Eat something
2. Wait 30 minutes
3. Still Hungry?
a) yes: eat some more
b) no: don't eat anymore


Excellent.

You may find you don't need that eight Big Mac after all.


Yeah I usually stop after 6. The four orders of fries I get make up for eating fewer big macs.
 
2013-04-03 10:16:58 PM  
Don't eat obviously bad food (fried, sugared, and fatty), eat only till you're not hungry, and move semi often and you'll be ahead of 95% of the diets out there. Lost 25 pounds that way once I stopped doing the opposite of that advice.
 
2013-04-03 11:19:37 PM  

revrendjim: cooked food is generally more nutritious than raw food


I am definitely not a raw food whack-a-doo, but I would still like to see a citation for that statement.

I've always hear the opposite.
 
2013-04-03 11:34:14 PM  

Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.


And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.
 
2013-04-04 12:11:34 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.

And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.


Blue.
We need more blue M&Ms in the spring.
They promote growth.
 
2013-04-04 12:22:22 AM  

CaptSacto: Bathia_Mapes: Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.

And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.

Blue.
We need more blue M&Ms in the spring.
They promote growth.


Well, the post-Easter M&Ms I bought Monday have some in a very lovely shade of pastel blue. And the year round ones have a darker shade of blue. Would those suffice?
 
2013-04-04 12:25:30 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.

And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.


Easter is time for Cadburys Creme Eggs. There's brown, white and yellow!
 
2013-04-04 12:37:36 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: CaptSacto: Bathia_Mapes: Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.

And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.

Blue.
We need more blue M&Ms in the spring.
They promote growth.

Well, the post-Easter M&Ms I bought Monday have some in a very lovely shade of pastel blue. And the year round ones have a darker shade of blue. Would those suffice?


Of course. The pastels are for Spring starting and the darker ones are the high-nitrogen time release for growth. The green ones promote flowering. Everyone knows that.
And don't forget to rotate your crops.
 
2013-04-04 12:59:23 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Easter is time for Cadburys Creme Eggs. There's brown, white and yellow!


Ugh! I equate those with eating broccoli. I hate both.
 
2013-04-04 01:58:48 AM  
Most of those rules are bullsh*t fad-of-the-moment type crap.

You remember when they started using HFCS in soda? It was marketed as healthier than that deadly white table sugar crap, and f*cking everyone got on board.
Now? "OMFG HFCS is the daeth!!!!1"

Newsflash:

The nutritional difference between "white" sugar and HFCS is negligible. Utterly unimportant. HFCS is about 55% fructose/45% glucose, and table sugar is 50/50. OMFG END OF TEH WORLD, AM I RIGHT!>!!!@!

Most of the sh*t in TFA is the same sort of garbage.

Eat less. Exercise more. That works for the vast majority, though not necessarily people with specific health issues.

Other than avoiding scurvy, there is little of desperate dietary consequence you should worry about if you're a healthy adult and your family has no history of a specific disease that might be diet-related (e.g. early-onset heart disease).

Oh, and don't be inbred. That does miles towards being healthy.
 
2013-04-04 02:11:01 AM  
Bathia_Mapes:

You know, don't you?
You should.
 
2013-04-04 02:18:29 AM  
They are made by mixing unsaturated fats with hydrogen gas at a high heat to make them resemble very disgusting and it amazes me to think that someone thought these fats would be suitable for human consumption.

I was ok with most of the article but that quote makes me wonder WTF is up with the writer. You can almost picture them gagging at the sight of a can of Crisco.
 
2013-04-04 02:24:26 AM  
In other words, eat things that are more food than chemistry project. Got it.
 
2013-04-04 02:30:04 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: In other words, eat things that are more food than chemistry project. Got it.


And if it says "contains all natural ingredients" on the label, it most likely doesn't.
 
2013-04-04 02:32:30 AM  

Tellingthem: My rules:

1. Eat something
2. Wait 30 minutes
3. Still Hungry?
a) yes: eat some more
b) no: don't eat anymore


I do something similar.

1. Eat for 30 minutes
2. Can you fit more in?
a) yes: eat more.
b) no: time for dessert.

Sleep. shiat. Repeat.
 
2013-04-04 02:47:34 AM  

CaptSacto: Bathia_Mapes:

You know, don't you?
You should.


:-)
 
2013-04-04 04:34:56 AM  
Is there anything in the US made with Transfats anymore anyway?

You mean I can't drink my coffee with sugar, but the milk is okay?

REALLY?

Have you ever seen ER coffee? It looks like the fetid drippings of a mechanics shop when an engine block blows up inside of it. Sugar is the only thing that makes it palatable!

AND YOU CAN HAVE MY GODDAMN SOURDOUGH BREAD WHEN YOU PRY IT FROM MY BLUE, DEAD FROM A CORONARY FINGERS, MISTER!

Although, I do agree with the Omega3s. I need to have more fish in my diet. Sushi is so damn expensive, though. So is good seafood.
 
2013-04-04 04:40:31 AM  

hardinparamedic: I need to have more fish in my diet. Sushi is so damn expensive, though. So is good seafood.


I bought a microwave fish steamer thingy, so now I can steam me some tilapia at work. It works way better than I thought it would.
 
2013-04-04 04:42:41 AM  

log_jammin: hardinparamedic: I need to have more fish in my diet. Sushi is so damn expensive, though. So is good seafood.

I bought a microwave fish steamer thingy, so now I can steam me some tilapia at work. It works way better than I thought it would.


I might look into one of those. I can burn peanut butter just by spreading it on bread, so cooking and I don't get along. I spend a lot of time eating out because about 75% of my time I'm at work, and I can't guarantee having a fridge to keep a meal in, or even getting to see the quarters.
 
2013-04-04 04:47:53 AM  

hardinparamedic: I might look into one of those. I can burn peanut butter just by spreading it on bread, so cooking and I don't get along. I spend a lot of time eating out because about 75% of my time I'm at work, and I can't guarantee having a fridge to keep a meal in, or even getting to see the quarters.


yeah it probably would be more difficult for you. I have a fridge and a microwave at work and i used to live off of tv dinners. after a few years of that I gained about 30 pounds. since shedding most of it I've gotten fairly good at microwave "cooking". Not the best but a whole lot better than frozen meals and canned stuff.
 
2013-04-04 04:50:00 AM  

log_jammin: yeah it probably would be more difficult for you. I have a fridge and a microwave at work and i used to live off of tv dinners. after a few years of that I gained about 30 pounds. since shedding most of it I've gotten fairly good at microwave "cooking". Not the best but a whole lot better than frozen meals and canned stuff.


Yeah, that's my problem. I was 142lbs and unable to gain weight when I first started the Fire side of things at 18. I actually had my doctor telling me I needed to eat more to get to 150. I had always been on the small side as a kid, in 10th grade I weighed 100lbs and was 5'1"

Now I'm 180.
 
2013-04-04 04:52:11 AM  

hardinparamedic: Now I'm 180.


That's what I'm at AFTER losing weight. still got another at least 10lbs to go.

I still can't believe I let myself get to 210. although I did have nice tits. well, for a dude anyway.
 
2013-04-04 05:16:12 AM  

log_jammin: I still can't believe I let myself get to 210. although I did have nice tits. well, for a dude anyway.


Heh. My ex-wife used to joke that before I gained a lot of weight in high school, I would have made a cute girl because I was so androgynous.

I can't believe I let myself get to this point either. And a lot of it is because it's easier to swing into Chic-fil-A or Steak and Shake than it is to grill some chicken and eat setting down with a salad.
 
2013-04-04 06:23:08 AM  
You guys are all being adult about nutrition and stuff. I'm so disappointed.

/I'll help th ladies with #6
 
2013-04-04 06:26:16 AM  
Taste the rainbow

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-04 06:26:35 AM  
Duh. They also forgot that saturated fat isn't the devil and dietary fiber is ultra important.
 
2013-04-04 06:29:30 AM  

revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?


Bread you typically by from a store is considered highly processed... the flour is processed to a point that it is a fine white powder and thus the ingredient is far away from simple milled grains and what we would consider at this point to cease being a food, and should be reclassified as "Pharmaceutical Grade Carbohydrate".

Try looking for fresh milled flour bread, it's got a completely different taste and texture than Wonder Bread and completely different in that it's actually healthy for you...
 
2013-04-04 06:42:58 AM  

CeroX: Bread you typically by from a store is considered highly processed...


It will also almost certainly have added sugar.
 
2013-04-04 06:46:23 AM  
Well, I like my vegetables processed through the cow or hog, so that's all natural right?
 
2013-04-04 06:46:24 AM  
Done in one.

Vary your eating habits.  The more color on your plate the better.  I love to eat.  Thusly, I have learned to cook.  I don't particularly like cooking, I usually make it bearable with a glass of scotch, but I do love enjoying the end product.  Cooking for yourself will open up a world of flavor you might have otherwise never known.

/Also get plenty of exercise.
 
2013-04-04 06:48:20 AM  

mike_d85: /I'll help th ladies with #6


You're in the cod liver oil business?
 
2013-04-04 06:57:39 AM  
I've already discussed my diet in today's other fat thread, but those seem to be the rules I'm following (I recommend  Food Rules by Michael Pollan). That and Xenical have taken me from 394 lbs to 340 and change (so far) since New Years Day.
 
2013-04-04 07:10:18 AM  
It would be a lot better to go on a less-processed diet if the less processed food didn't TASTE SO TERRIBLE!

Vegetables are the most bland or bitter substances on the planet. To keep the calories down I have to harshly ration the Italian Dressing (and pretty much only Italian Dressing) just to offset the crap flavor.

At least I bake my own bread, but WHARRGARBL ADDED SUGAR!

/These lists all scream "Adkins Diet"
 
2013-04-04 07:17:18 AM  

ajgeek: Vegetables are the most bland or bitter substances on the planet. To keep the calories down I have to harshly ration the Italian Dressing (and pretty much only Italian Dressing) just to offset the crap flavor.


My dad said the same thing about vegetables for years until his doctor basically told him he had to change his eating habits or face some serious consequences. He ended up buying a decent juicer and now gets most of his vegetable servings from making juice once or twice a day. Sometimes he adds a lime, lemon or an orange to sweeten it a bit if he finds it too bland or bitter.
 
2013-04-04 07:19:15 AM  
I've lost 33 pounds in the last 2 months by doing the following:

Having at least 32 ounces of fresh did-it-myself juice containing the following fresh ingredients:
Kale
Zucchini
Celery
Apples
Ginger Root
Avocado
Coconut Water
Pineapple
Parsley

I've cut way back on any food that contains a "pharmaceutical grade" ingredient which would be:
Fine white flour (we bought a grain mill and mill our own now)
Sugar (switched to raw local honey)
Processed Sodium (switched to sea salt)

Which brings up another thing people really need to avoid which is MSG...
MSG doesn't make you fat, but it prevents you from losing weight and MSG is in nearly every processed food product in the US. And US food companies have gotten good at hiding the fact that they put MSG in their food because of the big MSG scare back in the 80's...

Here's a list of Trade and Common Names food companies use instead of MSG:
Ac'cent
Aji-No-Moto
Vetsin
Senomyx (wheat extract labeled as artificial flavor)
Monopotassium glutamate (while not sodium, has the exact same effect)
Autolyzed yeast
Calcium caseinate
Gelatin
Glutamate
Hydrolyzed corn gluten
Hydrolyzed protein
Natrium glutamate
Sodium caseinate
Textured protein
Yeast food
Yeast Nutrient
Glutamic Acid
Yeast Extract
calcium caseinate
Barley Malt
Bouillon
Broth
Carrageenan
Malt Extract
Malt flavoring
Maltodextrin
Natural flavor/flavorings
Natural pork/beef/chicken flavoring
Pectin
Protease
Protease enzymes
Protein-fortified substances
Soy protein
Soy protein isolate or concentrate
Soy sauce
Soy sauce extract
Stock
Vegetable gum
Hydrolyzed Plant Protein

And finally, I've reduced my red meat intake to once a week and my primary source of meat comes from seafood or chicken (though not so much just because i don't really like poultry products).

I'm not doing weight watchers or anything like that, and by eating more raw foods i stay full longer and find i can't eat nearly as much as i used to and frequently have leftovers on my plate. And my grocery bill? has only increased about an average of $10 overall, because i don't need to buy as much food as before the higher cost of buying fresh fruits and veggies or buying the raw honey and things is mitigated by the fact that i don't have to eat nearly as much because the nutrition i am putting in my body is higher quality and therefore my body is reacting to it more positively...
 
2013-04-04 07:19:19 AM  

ajgeek: It would be a lot better to go on a less-processed diet if the less processed food didn't TASTE SO TERRIBLE!

Vegetables are the most bland or bitter substances on the planet. To keep the calories down I have to harshly ration the Italian Dressing (and pretty much only Italian Dressing) just to offset the crap flavor.

At least I bake my own bread, but WHARRGARBL ADDED SUGAR!

/These lists all scream "Adkins Diet"


If you eat like a child, such as expecting vegetables should taste like candy and steak, don't go around crying about how fat you are. Also, learn how to cook your damn vegetables, you can make them pretty palatable.
 
2013-04-04 07:23:20 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: ajgeek: It would be a lot better to go on a less-processed diet if the less processed food didn't TASTE SO TERRIBLE!

Vegetables are the most bland or bitter substances on the planet. To keep the calories down I have to harshly ration the Italian Dressing (and pretty much only Italian Dressing) just to offset the crap flavor.

At least I bake my own bread, but WHARRGARBL ADDED SUGAR!

/These lists all scream "Adkins Diet"

If you eat like a child, such as expecting vegetables should taste like candy and steak, don't go around crying about how fat you are. Also, learn how to cook your damn vegetables, you can make them pretty palatable.


well, deep frying them is pretty negligible
 
2013-04-04 07:23:45 AM  

ajgeek: It would be a lot better to go on a less-processed diet if the less processed food didn't TASTE SO TERRIBLE!

Vegetables are the most bland or bitter substances on the planet. To keep the calories down I have to harshly ration the Italian Dressing (and pretty much only Italian Dressing) just to offset the crap flavor.

At least I bake my own bread, but WHARRGARBL ADDED SUGAR!

/These lists all scream "Adkins Diet"




Take some Brussels sprouts, brush them with olive oil and crushed garlic. Roast them. They are fantastic. I used to hate them, but they taste great that way. Instead of salad dressing, try wholegrain mustard - a lot of flavour, very few calories.
 
2013-04-04 07:25:28 AM  

ajgeek: It would be a lot better to go on a less-processed diet if the less processed food didn't TASTE SO TERRIBLE!

Vegetables are the most bland or bitter substances on the planet. To keep the calories down I have to harshly ration the Italian Dressing (and pretty much only Italian Dressing) just to offset the crap flavor.

At least I bake my own bread, but WHARRGARBL ADDED SUGAR!

/These lists all scream "Adkins Diet"


Or you could just buy the italian dressing spice packet and sprinkle that on the veggies and skip over the oil and vinegar...
 
2013-04-04 07:27:54 AM  

CeroX: I've lost 33 pounds in the last 2 months by doing the following:

Having at least 32 ounces of fresh did-it-myself juice containing the following fresh ingredients:
Kale
Zucchini
Celery
Apples
Ginger Root
Avocado
Coconut Water
Pineapple
Parsley

I've cut way back on any food that contains a "pharmaceutical grade" ingredient which would be:
Fine white flour (we bought a grain mill and mill our own now)
Sugar (switched to raw local honey)
Processed Sodium (switched to sea salt)

Which brings up another thing people really need to avoid which is MSG...
MSG doesn't make you fat, but it prevents you from losing weight and MSG is in nearly every processed food product in the US. And US food companies have gotten good at hiding the fact that they put MSG in their food because of the big MSG scare back in the 80's...

Here's a list of Trade and Common Names food companies use instead of MSG:
Ac'cent
Aji-No-Moto
Vetsin
Senomyx (wheat extract labeled as artificial flavor)
Monopotassium glutamate (while not sodium, has the exact same effect)
Autolyzed yeast
Calcium caseinate
Gelatin
Glutamate
Hydrolyzed corn gluten
Hydrolyzed protein
Natrium glutamate
Sodium caseinate
Textured protein
Yeast food
Yeast Nutrient
Glutamic Acid
Yeast Extract
calcium caseinate
Barley Malt
Bouillon
Broth
Carrageenan
Malt Extract
Malt flavoring
Maltodextrin
Natural flavor/flavorings
Natural pork/beef/chicken flavoring
Pectin
Protease
Protease enzymes
Protein-fortified substances
Soy protein
Soy protein isolate or concentrate
Soy sauce
Soy sauce extract
Stock
Vegetable gum
Hydrolyzed Plant Protein

And finally, I've reduced my red meat intake to once a week and my primary source of meat comes from seafood or chicken (though not so much just because i don't really like poultry products).

I'm not doing weight watchers or anything like that, and by eating more raw foods i stay full longer and find i can't eat nearly as much as i used to and frequently have leftovers on my plate. And my grocery bill? has only increased about an average of $10 overall, because i don't need to buy as much food as before the higher cost of buying fresh fruits and veggies or buying the raw honey and things is mitigated by the fact that i don't have to eat nearly as much because the nutrition i am putting in my body is higher quality and therefore my body is reacting to it more positively...


You've gone full retard. That list of MSG names is just stupid. You're calling things like fruit fiber and beans MSG.
 
2013-04-04 07:39:14 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: You've gone full retard. That list of MSG names is just stupid. You're calling things like fruit fiber and beans MSG.


or you could google "Common and Trade Names for MSG" and get the list yourself and stop being a douchebag

That's like saying Pepsi contains corn... it doesn't... it contains a chemical that is found in corn but can only be extracted by concentrating corn and processing the corn with enzymes in order to obtain it...

You might want to educate yourself... instead of lashing out like some 9th grader...
 
2013-04-04 07:43:19 AM  
I don't understand the carbohydrates hate. The healthiest I've ever been was when I was a kid eating a half-plate of brown rice for dinner every night. Haven't carbs always historically been the primary source of energy for humans?
 
2013-04-04 07:43:42 AM  
The mere mention of the term "lifestyle change" gives me the heebies. Diets are bad enough and the idea of making something unpleasant permanent is not enticing. The only 'lifestyle change' I'm up for is to that of a millionaire, thanks.
 
2013-04-04 07:46:20 AM  
A nice morning smoothie that's healthy and quick: Blend 2 tablespoons yogurt, 2 tablespoons flax seed (I prefer milled), half a cup of blueberries and 8 ozs of pomegranate juice. A simple one step breakfast with most of the daily recommendations of antioxidants and technical crud like that.
 
2013-04-04 07:48:47 AM  

CeroX: Shakin_Haitian: You've gone full retard. That list of MSG names is just stupid. You're calling things like fruit fiber and beans MSG.

or you could google "Common and Trade Names for MSG" and get the list yourself and stop being a douchebag

That's like saying Pepsi contains corn... it doesn't... it contains a chemical that is found in corn but can only be extracted by concentrating corn and processing the corn with enzymes in order to obtain it...

You might want to educate yourself... instead of lashing out like some 9th grader...


So you honestly believe that pectin, a fiber, and soy bean protein, a protein isolated from uhhhh soy beans, are farking MSG? Seriously?
 
2013-04-04 07:50:24 AM  

GAT_00: revrendjim: GAT_00: revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?

Arguably, anything except grain, raw meat and fish and vegetables are "processed" foods.  Milk for example is unprocessed if gotten unpasteurized, but that's illegal.  So you can only buy "processed" milk.  That doesn't make milk bad.

So I'd interpret that as the less processing in your food, the better, which also seems to be fairly uniform in agreement across the board.

Don't disagree, except to point out that cooked food is generally more nutritious than raw food, so some processing is actually helpful. Not so much whatever they do to turn cheese into cheetos.

Agreed, which is why I said less processing.  I think health advocates would also say that cooking food yourself is not processing, but I could be wrong.  So that falls under minimal processing.

Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.


Bingo!
 
2013-04-04 07:50:30 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: I don't understand the carbohydrates hate. The healthiest I've ever been was when I was a kid eating a half-plate of brown rice for dinner every night. Haven't carbs always historically been the primary source of energy for humans?


Carbs are great if you need immediate energy. Most people don't immediately do something after they eat that consumes those calories quickly enough, unless if they work out or have a very physically demanding job.
 
2013-04-04 07:54:18 AM  

CeroX: Here's a list of Trade and Common Names food companies use instead of MSG:


You are a retard.
 
2013-04-04 07:57:01 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: I don't understand the carbohydrates hate. The healthiest I've ever been was when I was a kid eating a half-plate of brown rice for dinner every night. Haven't carbs always historically been the primary source of energy for humans?


Because people need to learn to differentiate. There's a massive difference in having rice, which contains carbs, versus flour, which was once wheat, which after it's been milled they then seperate the germ and the oil leaving the endosperm, then grind the endosperm into a fine powder which then goes through a bleaching process... leaving you with an extract that is mostly carbs with a small amount of protein (gluten). Unless you buy "gluten free" flour which any protein left has also been extracted...
 
2013-04-04 07:59:30 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: CeroX: Shakin_Haitian: You've gone full retard. That list of MSG names is just stupid. You're calling things like fruit fiber and beans MSG.

or you could google "Common and Trade Names for MSG" and get the list yourself and stop being a douchebag

That's like saying Pepsi contains corn... it doesn't... it contains a chemical that is found in corn but can only be extracted by concentrating corn and processing the corn with enzymes in order to obtain it...

You might want to educate yourself... instead of lashing out like some 9th grader...

So you honestly believe that pectin, a fiber, and soy bean protein, a protein isolated from uhhhh soy beans, are farking MSG? Seriously?


so i see you are still hanging on that "it's isolated from" so it must be the same as train... so HFCS is just corn right? i mean, it's isolated fructose found in CORN, so it's just CORN right?

manimal2878: CeroX: Here's a list of Trade and Common Names food companies use instead of MSG:

You are a retard.


and you are a retard troll...
 
2013-04-04 08:04:56 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: CeroX: Shakin_Haitian: You've gone full retard. That list of MSG names is just stupid. You're calling things like fruit fiber and beans MSG.

or you could google "Common and Trade Names for MSG" and get the list yourself and stop being a douchebag

That's like saying Pepsi contains corn... it doesn't... it contains a chemical that is found in corn but can only be extracted by concentrating corn and processing the corn with enzymes in order to obtain it...

You might want to educate yourself... instead of lashing out like some 9th grader...

So you honestly believe that pectin, a fiber, and soy bean protein, a protein isolated from uhhhh soy beans, are farking MSG? Seriously?


You obviously are also uneducated in the ways of food labeling...

Here's a small snippet from Wikipedia about MSG and food labeling:
The FDA considers labels such as "No MSG" or "No Added MSG" to be misleading if the food contains ingredients that are sources of free glutamate, such as hydrolyzed protein.

So now, answer this, are you going to look it up for yourself and have a real discussion, or are you just going to continue to aggressively troll?
 
2013-04-04 08:07:38 AM  

CeroX: You might want to educate yourself


Almost every living thing contains glutamate.  That doesn't mean it is in the L-form or the free glutamic acid form that can then become a glutamate salt or MSG.

Your list is stupid and so are you.
 
2013-04-04 08:08:38 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Haven't carbs always historically been the primary source of energy for humans?


Probably, but historically humans didn't watch 8 hours of TV a day. Or have a desk job where they sat another 8 hours.
 
2013-04-04 08:13:21 AM  

CeroX: Shakin_Haitian: CeroX: Shakin_Haitian: You've gone full retard. That list of MSG names is just stupid. You're calling things like fruit fiber and beans MSG.

or you could google "Common and Trade Names for MSG" and get the list yourself and stop being a douchebag

That's like saying Pepsi contains corn... it doesn't... it contains a chemical that is found in corn but can only be extracted by concentrating corn and processing the corn with enzymes in order to obtain it...

You might want to educate yourself... instead of lashing out like some 9th grader...

So you honestly believe that pectin, a fiber, and soy bean protein, a protein isolated from uhhhh soy beans, are farking MSG? Seriously?

You obviously are also uneducated in the ways of food labeling...

Here's a small snippet from Wikipedia about MSG and food labeling:
The FDA considers labels such as "No MSG" or "No Added MSG" to be misleading if the food contains ingredients that are sources of free glutamate, such as hydrolyzed protein.

So now, answer this, are you going to look it up for yourself and have a real discussion, or are you just going to continue to aggressively troll?


Now you're changing your argument. By the way, "glutamate" is an amino acid so pretty much any time you ingest protein, you're ingesting glutamic acid. Have fun on your zero protein diet and try not to get a metabolic disorder.
 
2013-04-04 08:15:44 AM  
CeroX:

Here's a list of Trade and Common Names food companies use instead of MSG:
Ac'cent
Aji-No-Moto
Vetsin


That's it.  Those are the ONLY Trade Names.  The rest are nonsense.  Allow me to explain, because I feel like combating idiocy somehow makes a difference, even though you will likely discount this simple fact and continue to get your "facts" from sites like unlessitsfreerangeitsgoingtokillyou.com and other sites that have no agenda whatsoever to push.

MSG = C5H8NO4Na.  If it is not this, it is not MSG.  End of discussion.

The fact that you have things like bouillon, broth, pectin, and soy sauce on your list makes it laughable.  Never mind that you have everything from fiber to salt to protein on there as well.  Do yourself a favor and spend some time on, if nothing else, wikipedia.
 
2013-04-04 08:18:37 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: CeroX: I've lost 33 pounds in the last 2 months by doing the following:

Having at least 32 ounces of fresh did-it-myself juice containing the following fresh ingredients:
Kale
Zucchini
Celery
Apples
Ginger Root
Avocado
Coconut Water
Pineapple
Parsley

I've cut way back on any food that contains a "pharmaceutical grade" ingredient which would be:
Fine white flour (we bought a grain mill and mill our own now)
Sugar (switched to raw local honey)
Processed Sodium (switched to sea salt)

Which brings up another thing people really need to avoid which is MSG...
MSG doesn't make you fat, but it prevents you from losing weight and MSG is in nearly every processed food product in the US. And US food companies have gotten good at hiding the fact that they put MSG in their food because of the big MSG scare back in the 80's...

Here's a list of Trade and Common Names food companies use instead of MSG:
Ac'cent
Aji-No-Moto
Vetsin
Senomyx (wheat extract labeled as artificial flavor)
Monopotassium glutamate (while not sodium, has the exact same effect)
Autolyzed yeast
Calcium caseinate
Gelatin
Glutamate
Hydrolyzed corn gluten
Hydrolyzed protein
Natrium glutamate
Sodium caseinate
Textured protein
Yeast food
Yeast Nutrient
Glutamic Acid
Yeast Extract
calcium caseinate
Barley Malt
Bouillon
Broth
Carrageenan
Malt Extract
Malt flavoring
Maltodextrin
Natural flavor/flavorings
Natural pork/beef/chicken flavoring
Pectin
Protease
Protease enzymes
Protein-fortified substances
Soy protein
Soy protein isolate or concentrate
Soy sauce
Soy sauce extract
Stock
Vegetable gum
Hydrolyzed Plant Protein

And finally, I've reduced my red meat intake to once a week and my primary source of meat comes from seafood or chicken (though not so much just because i don't really like poultry products).

I'm not doing weight watchers or anything like that, and by eating more raw foods i stay full longer and find i can't eat nearly as much as i used to and frequently have leftovers on my plate. And my grocery bi ...


i249.photobucket.com

MSG...MSG EVERYWHERE...
 
2013-04-04 08:23:08 AM  
I stopped reading here,

Sugar, mainly due to the high fructose content, is being implicated as a leading cause of obesity, cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes

Sugar does these things because it contains a lot of calories, and because blood sugar is a signal to spike insulin. Sucrose, fructose and glucose all do this.
 
2013-04-04 08:30:08 AM  

ajgeek: Vegetables are the most bland or bitter substances on the planet. To keep the calories down I have to harshly ration the Italian Dressing (and pretty much only Italian Dressing) just to offset the crap flavor.


Veggies can be mighty tasty when they're cooked well.  In my experience, a lot of people (and restaurants) tend to overcook them down into a pile of flavorless colored mush.  Steaming or just briefly boiling is much better - you want to keep most of the original texture while softening them up just slightly.  Roasting and grilling works well, too.

Seasoning is also important.  Some oil and herbs on potatoes, a little bacon and/or onions in your greens and beans, etc.  And a splash of pepper sauce goes a long way.  (Am I giving away my Southern roots yet?)  If I find a restaurant that can cook vegetables well, I'll sometimes forgo the meat altogether and just order a veggie plate.
 
2013-04-04 08:31:07 AM  

Shostie: Whistling Kitty Chaser: GAT_00: Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.

I thought it was a quest for fire.


It was called "trial by fire"
 
2013-04-04 08:32:15 AM  
CeroX:
Here's a small snippet from Wikipedia about MSG and food labeling:
The FDA considers labels such as "No MSG" or "No Added MSG" to be misleading if the food contains ingredients that are sources of free glutamate, such as hydrolyzed protein.

So now, answer this, are you going to look it up for yourself and have a real discussion, or are you just going to continue to aggressively troll?


MSG is a glutamate agonist, glutamate is a neurotransmitter that's common in meat and other savory foods. Tomatoes contain it, for example. That doesn't mean that tomatoes contain MSG.
 
2013-04-04 08:44:06 AM  
WOO this is the part where Fark Trolls (TM) come out to play...

Listen... for anyone being serious, there is a difference between a Trade Name, and a Common Name... Which is why i listed both with the trade names at the top of the list... Soy sauce is not pure MSG, but is a common name ingredient which contains MSG...

And yes, I understand many things contain glutamate, but what either people who are acting immature about it either aren't getting or are trolling about is that when a Common Name ingredient is used, it doesn't HAVE to be a pure ingredient, much like "natural flavors"... There is no such thing as natural flavor... you can't go to the spice aisle and pick up a jar of "Natural Flavor"... it's a conceptual ingredient that can contain pretty much whatever the hell they want...

but this is Fark, so let the trolls roll on...
 
2013-04-04 08:45:31 AM  

DeltaPunch: I don't have many rules, but a basic one is "eat as much variety of colors as possible". Try to eat something orange, yellow, purple, red, green (etc.) everyday. It forces you to eat more fruits and vegetables, and the plant pigments that cause different colors are also responsible for providing different types of antioxidants and other nutrients.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a beer to crack.


Or it forces you to eat jelly beans.
 
2013-04-04 08:46:38 AM  
Sugar, mainly due to the high fructose content, is being implicated as a leading cause of obesity, cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes (1, 2, 3).

How does fructose do this? Well, fructose is metabolized strictly by the liver over time, causing non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, insulin resistance, elevated triglycerides, abdominal obesity and high cholesterol (4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9).


Solution: replace sugar with pure corn syrup.
 
2013-04-04 08:49:33 AM  

log_jammin: hardinparamedic: I need to have more fish in my diet. Sushi is so damn expensive, though. So is good seafood.

I bought a microwave fish steamer thingy, so now I can steam me some tilapia at work. It works way better than I thought it would.


I'm sure your co-workers appreciate the awful smell you leave behind each day too. There are two forbidden personal habits in our office. Clipping your nails and cooking fish in the microwave. Punishable by death.
 
2013-04-04 08:50:25 AM  
Damn trolls pointing out that names have meaning.
 
2013-04-04 08:58:35 AM  

CeroX: WOO this is the part where Fark Trolls (TM) come out to play...

Listen... for anyone being serious, there is a difference between a Trade Name, and a Common Name... Which is why i listed both with the trade names at the top of the list... Soy sauce is not pure MSG, but is a common name ingredient which contains MSG...

And yes, I understand many things contain glutamate, but what either people who are acting immature about it either aren't getting or are trolling about is that when a Common Name ingredient is used, it doesn't HAVE to be a pure ingredient, much like "natural flavors"... There is no such thing as natural flavor... you can't go to the spice aisle and pick up a jar of "Natural Flavor"... it's a conceptual ingredient that can contain pretty much whatever the hell they want...

but this is Fark, so let the trolls roll on...


LOL. when was the last time you had some tasty Parmesan cheese, may I ask?
 
2013-04-04 09:06:01 AM  

Smarshmallow: I stopped reading here,

Sugar, mainly due to the high fructose content, is being implicated as a leading cause of obesity, cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes

Sugar does these things because it contains a lot of calories, and because blood sugar is a signal to spike insulin. Sucrose, fructose and glucose all do this.


CeroX: Seth'n'Spectrum: I don't understand the carbohydrates hate. The healthiest I've ever been was when I was a kid eating a half-plate of brown rice for dinner every night. Haven't carbs always historically been the primary sourcinie of energy for humans?

Because people need to learn to differentiate. There's a massive difference in having rice, which contains carbs, versus flour, which was once wheat, which after it's been milled they then seperate the germ and the oil leaving the endosperm, then grind the endosperm into a fine powder which then goes through a bleaching process... leaving you with an extract that is mostly carbs with a small amount of protein (gluten). Unless you buy "gluten free" flour which any protein left has also been extracted...


CeroX: I've lost 33 pounds in the last 2 months by doing the following:

Having at least 32 ounces of fresh did-it-myself juice containing the following fresh ingredients:
Kale
Zutl:dr


This guy lost 25lbs eating nothing but cookies snack cakes and Doritos.

This guy lives on chemicals he buys online

I'd say y'all are a tad optimistic on what you actually know about biology and nutrition. But hey. Dunning-Kroeger yourself into all the wacky eating habits you feel like! Enjoy!


I'd say you're all overthinking it a little bit.
 
2013-04-04 09:18:44 AM  

willfullyobscure: CeroX: WOO this is the part where Fark Trolls (TM) come out to play...

Listen... for anyone being serious, there is a difference between a Trade Name, and a Common Name... Which is why i listed both with the trade names at the top of the list... Soy sauce is not pure MSG, but is a common name ingredient which contains MSG...

And yes, I understand many things contain glutamate, but what either people who are acting immature about it either aren't getting or are trolling about is that when a Common Name ingredient is used, it doesn't HAVE to be a pure ingredient, much like "natural flavors"... There is no such thing as natural flavor... you can't go to the spice aisle and pick up a jar of "Natural Flavor"... it's a conceptual ingredient that can contain pretty much whatever the hell they want...

but this is Fark, so let the trolls roll on...

LOL. when was the last time you had some tasty Parmesan cheese, may I ask?


not really sure, it's probably been 2 months... The only cheeses i've had in the last 2 months are bleu cheese and dubliner... i regularly buy bleu cheese wheels and crumble them into my salads, and the dubliner was an impulse buy where my wife and i had some broiled dubliner on toasted mini rye slices one evening

and i didn't say i cut it out, i cut back on that stuff...

And those 2 people who lost weight that you listed in your second post, those are exceptions, not the rule...

My dietary changes have allowed me to lose 33 pounds and still going... so i'd say i'm doing something right...
 
2013-04-04 09:38:26 AM  
CeroX:My dietary changes have allowed me to lose 33 pounds and still going... so i'd say i'm doing something right...

I'd say you did nothing but reduced your calorie content/increased calorie burn, which has been pointed out can be done by consuming cookies as well.
 
2013-04-04 09:50:51 AM  

willfullyobscure: This guy lost 25lbs eating nothing but cookies snack cakes and Doritos.


I don't have 25lbs to lose, but I could do that if I did, and if I didn't mind scurvy.
 
2013-04-04 09:51:37 AM  

willfullyobscure: Smarshmallow: I stopped reading here,

Sugar, mainly due to the high fructose content, is being implicated as a leading cause of obesity, cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes

Sugar does these things because it contains a lot of calories, and because blood sugar is a signal to spike insulin. Sucrose, fructose and glucose all do this.

CeroX: Seth'n'Spectrum: I don't understand the carbohydrates hate. The healthiest I've ever been was when I was a kid eating a half-plate of brown rice for dinner every night. Haven't carbs always historically been the primary sourcinie of energy for humans?

Because people need to learn to differentiate. There's a massive difference in having rice, which contains carbs, versus flour, which was once wheat, which after it's been milled they then seperate the germ and the oil leaving the endosperm, then grind the endosperm into a fine powder which then goes through a bleaching process... leaving you with an extract that is mostly carbs with a small amount of protein (gluten). Unless you buy "gluten free" flour which any protein left has also been extracted...

CeroX: I've lost 33 pounds in the last 2 months by doing the following:

Having at least 32 ounces of fresh did-it-myself juice containing the following fresh ingredients:
Kale
Zutl:dr

This guy lost 25lbs eating nothing but cookies snack cakes and Doritos.

This guy lives on chemicals he buys online

I'd say y'all are a tad optimistic on what you actually know about biology and nutrition. But hey. Dunning-Kroeger yourself into all the wacky eating habits you feel like! Enjoy!


I'd say you're all overthinking it a little bit.


You may be under-thinking. There will always be some people outside of the norm. Also, don't group me with Cerox. I speak from several years working in obesity research, he speaks from ignorance.
 
2013-04-04 09:59:48 AM  

Smarshmallow: willfullyobscure: Smarshmallow: I stopped reading here,

Sugar, mainly due to the high fructose content, is being implicated as a leading cause of obesity, cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes

Sugar does these things because it contains a lot of calories, and because blood sugar is a signal to spike insulin. Sucrose, fructose and glucose all do this.

CeroX: Seth'n'Spectrum: I don't understand the carbohydrates hate. The healthiest I've ever been was when I was a kid eating a half-plate of brown rice for dinner every night. Haven't carbs always historically been the primary sourcinie of energy for humans?

Because people need to learn to differentiate. There's a massive difference in having rice, which contains carbs, versus flour, which was once wheat, which after it's been milled they then seperate the germ and the oil leaving the endosperm, then grind the endosperm into a fine powder which then goes through a bleaching process... leaving you with an extract that is mostly carbs with a small amount of protein (gluten). Unless you buy "gluten free" flour which any protein left has also been extracted...

CeroX: I've lost 33 pounds in the last 2 months by doing the following:

Having at least 32 ounces of fresh did-it-myself juice containing the following fresh ingredients:
Kale
Zutl:dr

This guy lost 25lbs eating nothing but cookies snack cakes and Doritos.

This guy lives on chemicals he buys online

I'd say y'all are a tad optimistic on what you actually know about biology and nutrition. But hey. Dunning-Kroeger yourself into all the wacky eating habits you feel like! Enjoy!


I'd say you're all overthinking it a little bit.

You may be under-thinking. There will always be some people outside of the norm. Also, don't group me with Cerox. I speak from several years working in obesity research, he speaks from ignorance.


you have my attention....

and i didn't see your post earlier, so while i agree with you tomatoes wouldn't contain MSG, it is possible to extract the glutamates from tomatoes to produce MSG, and then by FDA standards call it "Tomato protein extract" on the label...

unless you disagree?
 
2013-04-04 10:03:17 AM  

Smarshmallow: You may be under-thinking. There will always be some people outside of the norm. Also, don't group me with Cerox. I speak from several years working in obesity research, he speaks from ignorance.


Yeah, I wasn't quite sure why he had you quoted there.
 
2013-04-04 10:04:44 AM  

CaptSacto: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: In other words, eat things that are more food than chemistry project. Got it.

And if it says "contains all natural ingredients" on the label, it most likely doesn't.


Exactly. I only give my babies things that occur in nature. Like honey. Or cyanide.
 
2013-04-04 10:06:24 AM  

CeroX: Here's a list of Trade and Common Names food companies use instead of MSG:
...
Barley Malt
...
Malt Extract


Not a complete list, but those ingredients contain neither sodium or glutamate, or protein for that matter. They're sugar.
 
2013-04-04 10:16:12 AM  

GAT_00: Arguably, anything except grain, raw meat and fish and vegetables are "processed" foods. Milk for example is unprocessed if gotten unpasteurized, but that's illegal. So you can only buy "processed" milk. That doesn't make milk bad.


Of course not.  There's a LOT of other reasons milk is bad.
 
2013-04-04 10:18:23 AM  

CeroX: I've lost 33 pounds in the last 2 months


Wow that's got to be harsh.  Your body is probably in terrible shape.
 
2013-04-04 10:18:26 AM  

impaler: CeroX: Here's a list of Trade and Common Names food companies use instead of MSG:
...
Barley Malt
...
Malt Extract

Not a complete list, but those ingredients contain neither sodium or glutamate, or protein for that matter. They're sugar.


I'm reading about more people that are looking for the non-sodium MSG alternative, monopotassium glutamate, which is the potassium acid salt of glutamic acid, if you have sodium issues.
 
2013-04-04 10:38:29 AM  
And a splash of pepper sauce goes a long way.  (Am I giving away my Southern roots yet?)

Some properly cooked turnips or collard greens with some pepper sauce splashed on top? Maybe with some hot cornbread if you're feeling indulgent? Oh, yes, I'll have the whole pot, thanks.
 
2013-04-04 10:47:47 AM  

bluefoxicy: CeroX: I've lost 33 pounds in the last 2 months

Wow that's got to be harsh.  Your body is probably in terrible shape.


well, my shape appears to be that of a 325lb football... my blood tests though are better now than before i started... i don't have the paper here at work with the numbers but everything is better, cholesterol, triglycerides, glucos levels... they are better now that before i started all this...

So haters can hate, but i'm on my way to a better me...
 
2013-04-04 10:47:59 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: People during the medieval times ate organic and still didn't live past 30.


So much this.

The fundamental problem is that looking at diet without looking at the entire lifestyle picture is wrong. The diet of a sedentary office worker by definition should be vastly different than the diet of a day laborer which again is going to be different from the diet of a marathon runner. The only advice I agreed with on from that list is the advice that everyone is different and so you need to experiment. Good god, people have lived for decades on nothing but candy bars. The truth is that health is not about picking different colors of food, it's everything.
 
2013-04-04 10:52:24 AM  

worlddan: SockMonkeyHolocaust: People during the medieval times ate organic and still didn't live past 30.

So much this.

The fundamental problem is that looking at diet without looking at the entire lifestyle picture is wrong. The diet of a sedentary office worker by definition should be vastly different than the diet of a day laborer which again is going to be different from the diet of a marathon runner. The only advice I agreed with on from that list is the advice that everyone is different and so you need to experiment. Good god, people have lived for decades on nothing but candy bars. The truth is that health is not about picking different colors of food, it's everything.


something something something infant mortality factors something something
 
2013-04-04 10:54:23 AM  
willfullyobscure:

This guy lives on chemicals he buys online

Thanks for this link. My brother and I got into an argument about this very possibility about a year ago but I was too lazy to follow through. I am glad to see someone else do it and I may join in his crusade. The truth is that a great deal of "nutrition" is promoted by agribusinesses who stand to benefit from it. Humanity's digestive systems did not evolve in a vacuum and there is no earthly reason to freeze such evolution in time. Our bodies can evolve to live on nothing but processed chemicals.
 
2013-04-04 11:03:38 AM  

worlddan: willfullyobscure:

This guy lives on chemicals he buys online

Thanks for this link. My brother and I got into an argument about this very possibility about a year ago but I was too lazy to follow through. I am glad to see someone else do it and I may join in his crusade. The truth is that a great deal of "nutrition" is promoted by agribusinesses who stand to benefit from it. Humanity's digestive systems did not evolve in a vacuum and there is no earthly reason to freeze such evolution in time. Our bodies can evolve to live on nothing but processed chemicals.


Well, humanity's might but yours won't.  Evolution does not work that way.
 
2013-04-04 11:12:49 AM  

revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?


that's my thought on "processed food" as well.

Cold cuts? good or bad? Deli cold cuts vs pre-packaged? Fancy cheese vs American slices?

I generally assume processed food to be anything with a number of extra bits added for the unique purpose of prolonging shelf life and reducing the cost of production.
 
2013-04-04 11:43:46 AM  

CeroX: LOL. when was the last time you had some tasty Parmesan cheese, may I ask?not really sure, it's probably been 2 months... The only cheeses i've had in the last 2 months are bleu cheese and dubliner... i regularly buy bleu cheese wheels and crumble them into my salads, and the dubliner was an impulse buy where my wife and i had some broiled dubliner on toasted mini rye slices one eveningand i didn't say i cut it out, i cut back on that stuff...And those 2 people who lost weight that you listed in your second post, those are exceptions, not the rule...My dietary changes have allowed me to lose 33 pounds and still going... so i'd say i'm doing something right...


aged cheeses are redolent with MSG. Parmesan is the most concentrated form of MSG in a natural food product outside of yeast extract. Bleu cheese is no slouch either.
 
2013-04-04 12:05:50 PM  

willfullyobscure: aged cheeses are redolent with MSG. Parmesan is the most concentrated form of MSG in a natural food product outside of yeast extract. Bleu cheese is no slouch either.


could by why my weight loss is not as significant as it should be... i'll go a week or 2 without and see how it goes...
 
2013-04-04 12:20:17 PM  

CeroX: .
 infant mortality factors


For the record, dead infants don't need nutrition. Well, unless they are zombie infants....then the need BRAINS.
 
2013-04-04 12:23:15 PM  

BafflerMeal: worlddan: willfullyobscure:.

Well, humanity's might but yours won't.  Evolution does not work that way.


Of course evolution works that way. Someone's genes have to mutate. Might as well be mine.

Of course, if my genes did mutate that would mean that I would need to have sex to pass those mutations on to the next generation...so come to think of it, nah. Sex is bad.
 
2013-04-04 12:24:49 PM  
Point 9 simplifies the issue.  Diets that only take food intake into consideration don't work.  A good diet should understand that nutrition encompasses ALL areas of one's lifestyle.
 
2013-04-04 01:27:36 PM  
I have one simple rule: If you can't deep fry it, you'd best deny it.

/off to get me some Popeyes.
 
2013-04-04 02:42:33 PM  

CeroX: Smarshmallow: willfullyobscure: Smarshmallow: I stopped reading here,

Sugar, mainly due to the high fructose content, is being implicated as a leading cause of obesity, cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes

Sugar does these things because it contains a lot of calories, and because blood sugar is a signal to spike insulin. Sucrose, fructose and glucose all do this.

CeroX: Seth'n'Spectrum: I don't understand the carbohydrates hate. The healthiest I've ever been was when I was a kid eating a half-plate of brown rice for dinner every night. Haven't carbs always historically been the primary sourcinie of energy for humans?

Because people need to learn to differentiate. There's a massive difference in having rice, which contains carbs, versus flour, which was once wheat, which after it's been milled they then seperate the germ and the oil leaving the endosperm, then grind the endosperm into a fine powder which then goes through a bleaching process... leaving you with an extract that is mostly carbs with a small amount of protein (gluten). Unless you buy "gluten free" flour which any protein left has also been extracted...

CeroX: I've lost 33 pounds in the last 2 months by doing the following:

Having at least 32 ounces of fresh did-it-myself juice containing the following fresh ingredients:
Kale
Zutl:dr

This guy lost 25lbs eating nothing but cookies snack cakes and Doritos.

This guy lives on chemicals he buys online

I'd say y'all are a tad optimistic on what you actually know about biology and nutrition. But hey. Dunning-Kroeger yourself into all the wacky eating habits you feel like! Enjoy!


I'd say you're all overthinking it a little bit.

You may be under-thinking. There will always be some people outside of the norm. Also, don't group me with Cerox. I speak from several years working in obesity research, he speaks from ignorance.

you have my attention....

and i didn't see your post earlier, so while i agree with you tomatoes wouldn't contain MSG, it is possible to extract the glutamates from tomatoes to produce MSG, and then by FDA standards call it "Tomato protein extract" on the label...

unless you disagree?


I have no idea about tomato extract, since I'm not an FDA lawyer, but most of the chemicals that you listed are absolutely not msg, and couldn't conceivably be labeled as such.
 
2013-04-04 03:07:27 PM  

CeroX: well, my shape appears to be that of a 325lb football... my blood tests though are better now than before i started... i don't have the paper here at work with the numbers but everything is better, cholesterol, triglycerides, glucos levels... they are better now that before i started all this...

So haters can hate, but i'm on my way to a better me...


Are you sure you haven't just lost mostly water weight and maybe even some muscle mass? Weight loss is not always healthy and two months isn't a sufficient amount of time to know what path you are on. People should really go by body fat percentage more than weight. If you do one thing to measure your progress, it should be waist size, not what your scale says. Obviously the more data, the better. But to say, "I've lost x lbs." means absolutely nothing on its own. A gallon of water weighs about 8lbs. Losing just water weight means nothing good.

Talk to your family doctor, get a personal trainer, eat a balanced diet (preferably eat 6 times a day, small portioned meals), do cardio twice every day, do resistance training at least four days out of the week. That's A LOT of work, but it really does work for everyone... of course, should be done with input from your doc.

MSG or no MSG. I don't think that even matters.
 
2013-04-04 03:15:30 PM  
Eating six times a day is pointless. The only thing that matters for losing weight is calorie amount, unless it is your job to exercise.

Examine.com handles many nutrition myths through actual studies, and even grades the studies on methodology, e.g. whether it was double blind or not.
 
2013-04-04 03:24:19 PM  

tylerdurden217: Are you sure you haven't just lost mostly water weight and maybe even some muscle mass? Weight loss is not always healthy and two months isn't a sufficient amount of time to know what path you are on. People should really go by body fat percentage more than weight. If you do one thing to measure your progress, it should be waist size, not what your scale says. Obviously the more data, the better. But to say, "I've lost x lbs." means absolutely nothing on its own. A gallon of water weighs about 8lbs. Losing just water weight means nothing good.

Talk to your family doctor, get a personal trainer, eat a balanced diet (preferably eat 6 times a day, small portioned meals), do cardio twice every day, do resistance training at least four days out of the week. That's A LOT of work, but it really does work for everyone... of course, should be done with input from your doc.

MSG or no MSG. I don't think that even matters.


Yes, i am being closely watched by my family doctor... i see her once every 2 weeks, and i saw a personal trainer earlier this week which is why i have a work out plan that is 5 days a week focusing on smaller muscle groups... i went 2 months without exercise BECAUSE my doctor told me to hold off while she examined me. I've been cleared and so Monday I start a routine that includes 15 minutes of cardio preworkout with strength training on muscle groups with the exception of doing crunches daily... After 12 weeks the cardio it increased... I'll post more about my progress in some future thread and folks can see the results for themselves... i still have about 100 pounds to lose and i'm not letting anything get in the way of that...
 
2013-04-04 03:28:09 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Eating six times a day is pointless. The only thing that matters for losing weight is calorie amount, unless it is your job to exercise.

Examine.com handles many nutrition myths through actual studies, and even grades the studies on methodology, e.g. whether it was double blind or not.


Great site. I had no idea this existed until you referenced it.

I eat about 6 times a day because I get hungry more often. I found that I can have the same daily intake and not get as hungry if I eat smaller meals more frequently. May not work for everyone, but I think it works for a lot of people. Could be psychological.

Examine suggests: There may be benefits to manipulating meal frequency and eating the same amount of food more often or less often, but metabolic rate is not one of them. There is no evidence to support the idea that multiple meals increases metabolic rate.

I wouldn't claim that it increases my metabolic rate. I do think I can give my body the nutrients it needs without overdoing it by eating smaller, frequent meals. (also, I'm not talking about grazing all day like a cow)
 
2013-04-04 08:15:37 PM  

CeroX: tylerdurden217: Are you sure you haven't just lost mostly water weight and maybe even some muscle mass? Weight loss is not always healthy and two months isn't a sufficient amount of time to know what path you are on. People should really go by body fat percentage more than weight. If you do one thing to measure your progress, it should be waist size, not what your scale says. Obviously the more data, the better. But to say, "I've lost x lbs." means absolutely nothing on its own. A gallon of water weighs about 8lbs. Losing just water weight means nothing good.

Talk to your family doctor, get a personal trainer, eat a balanced diet (preferably eat 6 times a day, small portioned meals), do cardio twice every day, do resistance training at least four days out of the week. That's A LOT of work, but it really does work for everyone... of course, should be done with input from your doc.

MSG or no MSG. I don't think that even matters.

Yes, i am being closely watched by my family doctor... i see her once every 2 weeks, and i saw a personal trainer earlier this week which is why i have a work out plan that is 5 days a week focusing on smaller muscle groups... i went 2 months without exercise BECAUSE my doctor told me to hold off while she examined me. I've been cleared and so Monday I start a routine that includes 15 minutes of cardio preworkout with strength training on muscle groups with the exception of doing crunches daily... After 12 weeks the cardio it increased... I'll post more about my progress in some future thread and folks can see the results for themselves... i still have about 100 pounds to lose and i'm not letting anything get in the way of that...


Hey, I dropped by the thread agian to say I'm sory for needling you. I think you're maybe a little out in left field on how you think, but there's nothing you're doing thats bad for you, quite the reverse. I'm not 335, but I could 30lbs and nobody would notice myself, so I basically don't have shiat to say to your good work.  Keep on truckin and nihil carborundum illegitemi and all that, son.
 
2013-04-04 09:19:20 PM  

GAT_00: revrendjim: GAT_00: revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?

Arguably, anything except grain, raw meat and fish and vegetables are "processed" foods.  Milk for example is unprocessed if gotten unpasteurized, but that's illegal.  So you can only buy "processed" milk.  That doesn't make milk bad.

So I'd interpret that as the less processing in your food, the better, which also seems to be fairly uniform in agreement across the board.

Don't disagree, except to point out that cooked food is generally more nutritious than raw food, so some processing is actually helpful. Not so much whatever they do to turn cheese into cheetos.

Agreed, which is why I said less processing.  I think health advocates would also say that cooking food yourself is not processing, but I could be wrong.  So that falls under minimal processing.

Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.


You do realize that the Neanderthals died out 20,000 years ago.
 
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