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2013-04-03 08:27:57 PM
I don't have many rules, but a basic one is "eat as much variety of colors as possible". Try to eat something orange, yellow, purple, red, green (etc.) everyday. It forces you to eat more fruits and vegetables, and the plant pigments that cause different colors are also responsible for providing different types of antioxidants and other nutrients.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a beer to crack.
 
2013-04-03 08:30:48 PM
Thank god for SkittleBrau.  Drink the rainbow, vomit magenta.
 
2013-04-03 08:42:06 PM

DeltaPunch: I don't have many rules, but a basic one is "eat as much variety of colors as possible". Try to eat something orange, yellow, purple, red, green (etc.) everyday. It forces you to eat more fruits and vegetables, and the plant pigments that cause different colors are also responsible for providing different types of antioxidants and other nutrients.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a beer to crack.


So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.
 
2013-04-03 08:50:17 PM
I beg to differ.
 
2013-04-03 08:55:39 PM
Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?
 
2013-04-03 08:59:06 PM
I fail to see any rules in which the various flavors of Combos are differentiated and analyzed.
 
2013-04-03 08:59:55 PM

revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?


Arguably, anything except grain, raw meat and fish and vegetables are "processed" foods.  Milk for example is unprocessed if gotten unpasteurized, but that's illegal.  So you can only buy "processed" milk.  That doesn't make milk bad.

So I'd interpret that as the less processing in your food, the better, which also seems to be fairly uniform in agreement across the board.
 
2013-04-03 09:09:08 PM

GAT_00: revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?

Arguably, anything except grain, raw meat and fish and vegetables are "processed" foods.  Milk for example is unprocessed if gotten unpasteurized, but that's illegal.  So you can only buy "processed" milk.  That doesn't make milk bad.

So I'd interpret that as the less processing in your food, the better, which also seems to be fairly uniform in agreement across the board.


Don't disagree, except to point out that cooked food is generally more nutritious than raw food, so some processing is actually helpful. Not so much whatever they do to turn cheese into cheetos.
 
2013-04-03 09:14:01 PM

revrendjim: GAT_00: revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?

Arguably, anything except grain, raw meat and fish and vegetables are "processed" foods.  Milk for example is unprocessed if gotten unpasteurized, but that's illegal.  So you can only buy "processed" milk.  That doesn't make milk bad.

So I'd interpret that as the less processing in your food, the better, which also seems to be fairly uniform in agreement across the board.

Don't disagree, except to point out that cooked food is generally more nutritious than raw food, so some processing is actually helpful. Not so much whatever they do to turn cheese into cheetos.


Agreed, which is why I said less processing.  I think health advocates would also say that cooking food yourself is not processing, but I could be wrong.  So that falls under minimal processing.

Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.
 
2013-04-03 09:17:53 PM

GAT_00: Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.


I thought it was a quest for fire.
 
2013-04-03 09:18:32 PM
My rules:

1. Eat something
2. Wait 30 minutes
3. Still Hungry?
a) yes: eat some more
b) no: don't eat anymore

My weight has stayed constant now for about two years. Of course that doesn't mean you can eat a cake everynight for dinner and expect to stay thin. I also cut way back on my drinking. But I just think most of this is common sense stuff. Everything in moderation and I'm fine.
 
2013-04-03 09:19:38 PM
People during the medieval times ate organic and still didn't live past 30.
 
2013-04-03 09:22:47 PM
Cue the "Thin Privilege" folks.
 
2013-04-03 09:23:09 PM

Whistling Kitty Chaser: GAT_00: Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.

I thought it was a quest for fire.


Quest for fire, did you say?
www.northernstars.ca
I'll just have a seat over there
 
2013-04-03 09:33:55 PM
Processed food just means food that wasn't originally what you buy it as. It's usually a mix of plastics and waxes with flavor added to it. Everything else is safe.
 
2013-04-03 09:36:10 PM

Tellingthem: My rules:

1. Eat something
2. Wait 30 minutes
3. Still Hungry?
a) yes: eat some more
b) no: don't eat anymore



Excellent.

You may find you don't need that eight Big Mac after all.
 
2013-04-03 09:39:16 PM

Whistling Kitty Chaser: GAT_00: Long of the short, we were healthiest when our culinary skills were at the Neanderthal level.  Which is of course a blatant contradiction since the life of Neanderthals and humans at that time was nasty, brutish and short, marked by a constant quest to find food.

I thought it was a quest for fire.


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2013-04-03 10:03:03 PM

Amos Quito: Tellingthem: My rules:

1. Eat something
2. Wait 30 minutes
3. Still Hungry?
a) yes: eat some more
b) no: don't eat anymore


Excellent.

You may find you don't need that eight Big Mac after all.


Yeah I usually stop after 6. The four orders of fries I get make up for eating fewer big macs.
 
2013-04-03 10:16:58 PM
Don't eat obviously bad food (fried, sugared, and fatty), eat only till you're not hungry, and move semi often and you'll be ahead of 95% of the diets out there. Lost 25 pounds that way once I stopped doing the opposite of that advice.
 
2013-04-03 11:19:37 PM

revrendjim: cooked food is generally more nutritious than raw food


I am definitely not a raw food whack-a-doo, but I would still like to see a citation for that statement.

I've always hear the opposite.
 
2013-04-03 11:34:14 PM

Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.


And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.
 
2013-04-04 12:11:34 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.

And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.


Blue.
We need more blue M&Ms in the spring.
They promote growth.
 
2013-04-04 12:22:22 AM

CaptSacto: Bathia_Mapes: Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.

And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.

Blue.
We need more blue M&Ms in the spring.
They promote growth.


Well, the post-Easter M&Ms I bought Monday have some in a very lovely shade of pastel blue. And the year round ones have a darker shade of blue. Would those suffice?
 
2013-04-04 12:25:30 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.

And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.


Easter is time for Cadburys Creme Eggs. There's brown, white and yellow!
 
2013-04-04 12:37:36 AM

Bathia_Mapes: CaptSacto: Bathia_Mapes: Flint Ironstag: So M+Ms pretty much cover everything? Cool.

And in the spring you up your ration of those oh-so-vital pastels with the Easter M&Ms.

Blue.
We need more blue M&Ms in the spring.
They promote growth.

Well, the post-Easter M&Ms I bought Monday have some in a very lovely shade of pastel blue. And the year round ones have a darker shade of blue. Would those suffice?


Of course. The pastels are for Spring starting and the darker ones are the high-nitrogen time release for growth. The green ones promote flowering. Everyone knows that.
And don't forget to rotate your crops.
 
2013-04-04 12:59:23 AM

Flint Ironstag: Easter is time for Cadburys Creme Eggs. There's brown, white and yellow!


Ugh! I equate those with eating broccoli. I hate both.
 
2013-04-04 01:58:48 AM
Most of those rules are bullsh*t fad-of-the-moment type crap.

You remember when they started using HFCS in soda? It was marketed as healthier than that deadly white table sugar crap, and f*cking everyone got on board.
Now? "OMFG HFCS is the daeth!!!!1"

Newsflash:

The nutritional difference between "white" sugar and HFCS is negligible. Utterly unimportant. HFCS is about 55% fructose/45% glucose, and table sugar is 50/50. OMFG END OF TEH WORLD, AM I RIGHT!>!!!@!

Most of the sh*t in TFA is the same sort of garbage.

Eat less. Exercise more. That works for the vast majority, though not necessarily people with specific health issues.

Other than avoiding scurvy, there is little of desperate dietary consequence you should worry about if you're a healthy adult and your family has no history of a specific disease that might be diet-related (e.g. early-onset heart disease).

Oh, and don't be inbred. That does miles towards being healthy.
 
2013-04-04 02:11:01 AM
Bathia_Mapes:

You know, don't you?
You should.
 
2013-04-04 02:18:29 AM
They are made by mixing unsaturated fats with hydrogen gas at a high heat to make them resemble very disgusting and it amazes me to think that someone thought these fats would be suitable for human consumption.

I was ok with most of the article but that quote makes me wonder WTF is up with the writer. You can almost picture them gagging at the sight of a can of Crisco.
 
2013-04-04 02:24:26 AM
In other words, eat things that are more food than chemistry project. Got it.
 
2013-04-04 02:30:04 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: In other words, eat things that are more food than chemistry project. Got it.


And if it says "contains all natural ingredients" on the label, it most likely doesn't.
 
2013-04-04 02:32:30 AM

Tellingthem: My rules:

1. Eat something
2. Wait 30 minutes
3. Still Hungry?
a) yes: eat some more
b) no: don't eat anymore


I do something similar.

1. Eat for 30 minutes
2. Can you fit more in?
a) yes: eat more.
b) no: time for dessert.

Sleep. shiat. Repeat.
 
2013-04-04 02:47:34 AM

CaptSacto: Bathia_Mapes:

You know, don't you?
You should.


:-)
 
2013-04-04 04:34:56 AM
Is there anything in the US made with Transfats anymore anyway?

You mean I can't drink my coffee with sugar, but the milk is okay?

REALLY?

Have you ever seen ER coffee? It looks like the fetid drippings of a mechanics shop when an engine block blows up inside of it. Sugar is the only thing that makes it palatable!

AND YOU CAN HAVE MY GODDAMN SOURDOUGH BREAD WHEN YOU PRY IT FROM MY BLUE, DEAD FROM A CORONARY FINGERS, MISTER!

Although, I do agree with the Omega3s. I need to have more fish in my diet. Sushi is so damn expensive, though. So is good seafood.
 
2013-04-04 04:40:31 AM

hardinparamedic: I need to have more fish in my diet. Sushi is so damn expensive, though. So is good seafood.


I bought a microwave fish steamer thingy, so now I can steam me some tilapia at work. It works way better than I thought it would.
 
2013-04-04 04:42:41 AM

log_jammin: hardinparamedic: I need to have more fish in my diet. Sushi is so damn expensive, though. So is good seafood.

I bought a microwave fish steamer thingy, so now I can steam me some tilapia at work. It works way better than I thought it would.


I might look into one of those. I can burn peanut butter just by spreading it on bread, so cooking and I don't get along. I spend a lot of time eating out because about 75% of my time I'm at work, and I can't guarantee having a fridge to keep a meal in, or even getting to see the quarters.
 
2013-04-04 04:47:53 AM

hardinparamedic: I might look into one of those. I can burn peanut butter just by spreading it on bread, so cooking and I don't get along. I spend a lot of time eating out because about 75% of my time I'm at work, and I can't guarantee having a fridge to keep a meal in, or even getting to see the quarters.


yeah it probably would be more difficult for you. I have a fridge and a microwave at work and i used to live off of tv dinners. after a few years of that I gained about 30 pounds. since shedding most of it I've gotten fairly good at microwave "cooking". Not the best but a whole lot better than frozen meals and canned stuff.
 
2013-04-04 04:50:00 AM

log_jammin: yeah it probably would be more difficult for you. I have a fridge and a microwave at work and i used to live off of tv dinners. after a few years of that I gained about 30 pounds. since shedding most of it I've gotten fairly good at microwave "cooking". Not the best but a whole lot better than frozen meals and canned stuff.


Yeah, that's my problem. I was 142lbs and unable to gain weight when I first started the Fire side of things at 18. I actually had my doctor telling me I needed to eat more to get to 150. I had always been on the small side as a kid, in 10th grade I weighed 100lbs and was 5'1"

Now I'm 180.
 
2013-04-04 04:52:11 AM

hardinparamedic: Now I'm 180.


That's what I'm at AFTER losing weight. still got another at least 10lbs to go.

I still can't believe I let myself get to 210. although I did have nice tits. well, for a dude anyway.
 
2013-04-04 05:16:12 AM

log_jammin: I still can't believe I let myself get to 210. although I did have nice tits. well, for a dude anyway.


Heh. My ex-wife used to joke that before I gained a lot of weight in high school, I would have made a cute girl because I was so androgynous.

I can't believe I let myself get to this point either. And a lot of it is because it's easier to swing into Chic-fil-A or Steak and Shake than it is to grill some chicken and eat setting down with a salad.
 
2013-04-04 06:23:08 AM
You guys are all being adult about nutrition and stuff. I'm so disappointed.

/I'll help th ladies with #6
 
2013-04-04 06:26:16 AM
Taste the rainbow

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2013-04-04 06:26:35 AM
Duh. They also forgot that saturated fat isn't the devil and dietary fiber is ultra important.
 
2013-04-04 06:29:30 AM

revrendjim: Much to my surprise this is pretty much a non-retarded list. Those are all good suggestions. However, one thing I struggle with is the definition of "processed" foods. What the hell does that mean? Isn't anything that is cooked a "processed" food? Nobody is going to dispute that Cheese-Whiz is processed, but what about bread? It certainly does not occur in nature. Where is the line?


Bread you typically by from a store is considered highly processed... the flour is processed to a point that it is a fine white powder and thus the ingredient is far away from simple milled grains and what we would consider at this point to cease being a food, and should be reclassified as "Pharmaceutical Grade Carbohydrate".

Try looking for fresh milled flour bread, it's got a completely different taste and texture than Wonder Bread and completely different in that it's actually healthy for you...
 
2013-04-04 06:42:58 AM

CeroX: Bread you typically by from a store is considered highly processed...


It will also almost certainly have added sugar.
 
2013-04-04 06:46:23 AM
Well, I like my vegetables processed through the cow or hog, so that's all natural right?
 
2013-04-04 06:46:24 AM
Done in one.

Vary your eating habits.  The more color on your plate the better.  I love to eat.  Thusly, I have learned to cook.  I don't particularly like cooking, I usually make it bearable with a glass of scotch, but I do love enjoying the end product.  Cooking for yourself will open up a world of flavor you might have otherwise never known.

/Also get plenty of exercise.
 
2013-04-04 06:48:20 AM

mike_d85: /I'll help th ladies with #6


You're in the cod liver oil business?
 
2013-04-04 06:57:39 AM
I've already discussed my diet in today's other fat thread, but those seem to be the rules I'm following (I recommend  Food Rules by Michael Pollan). That and Xenical have taken me from 394 lbs to 340 and change (so far) since New Years Day.
 
2013-04-04 07:10:18 AM
It would be a lot better to go on a less-processed diet if the less processed food didn't TASTE SO TERRIBLE!

Vegetables are the most bland or bitter substances on the planet. To keep the calories down I have to harshly ration the Italian Dressing (and pretty much only Italian Dressing) just to offset the crap flavor.

At least I bake my own bread, but WHARRGARBL ADDED SUGAR!

/These lists all scream "Adkins Diet"
 
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