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(The Sun)   Some spineless brute with a knife stabs his childhood pal leaving him paralyzed. Saudi Arabian court decides to go the "eye for an eye" route   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 200
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2013-04-03 08:31:36 PM
Why didn't he just come out once, and scream it?
 
2013-04-03 08:33:03 PM
Don't worry Ali, I got your back.
 
2013-04-03 08:33:38 PM
FTFA:

She said: "Ten years have passed with hundreds of sleepless nights. My hair has become grey at a young age because of my son's problem.

"I have been frightened to death whenever I think about my son's fate and that he will have to be paralysed."


Wouldn't be a problem if you would have killed him yourself 10 years ago, like you should have done.

In other news, if it is torture to do this to this criminal, then what would has actions towards the other guy be categorized as?

The Saudis are possibly the stupidest people on the planet - but when they are right, they are very right.
 
2013-04-03 08:33:39 PM
github.com
 
2013-04-03 08:33:46 PM
Ali al-Khawahir left his victim paralysed a decade ago and is now facing the same fate from the waist down if he fails to pay compensation of one million riyals (£176,000).
 Al-Khawahir's mum has been begging wealthy philanthropists to come forward to contribute to the fund.


Farkers, we you can save him, we you have Paypal technology
 
2013-04-03 08:35:08 PM
I'd have to hear the whole story to see if I should be outraged or not.
 
2013-04-03 08:35:44 PM
I was distracted from the article by the "anti rape" underwear link.
 
2013-04-03 08:35:58 PM
I don't know who to side for in this case.

/if the victim was a girl he'd be a local hero.
 
2013-04-03 08:36:19 PM

MichiganFTL:


Came here for this, or some variant thereof, because I'm in feeling grumpy.
 
2013-04-03 08:36:35 PM
Not really OK with this. But not all that bothered ether.
 
2013-04-03 08:37:15 PM
It's hardly an eye for an eye if someone's getting chopped over the back like a water buffalo in front of Col. Kurtz, is it?
Or does he have eyes on his shoulders? Oh wait, did the first guy lose an eye, or did he get stabbed in the back? Right, because if he did the it makes sense, if you change it to 'back for a back'.
 
2013-04-03 08:39:08 PM

YoOjo: It's hardly an eye for an eye if someone's getting chopped over the back like a water buffalo in front of Col. Kurtz, is it?
Or does he have eyes on his shoulders? Oh wait, did the first guy lose an eye, or did he get stabbed in the back? Right, because if he did the it makes sense, if you change it to 'back for a back'.


I take it english isn't your first language? Or maybe your meds are in need of a refill?
 
2013-04-03 08:39:52 PM
I'm ok with this. I sometimes wonder if the eye for an eye response was implemented here in the states.
 
2013-04-03 08:41:48 PM
Can we please nuke this shiathole off my planet now?
 
2013-04-03 08:42:34 PM
I'm going to go find something else to be outraged about.
 
2013-04-03 08:42:52 PM
If you support the death penalty- and, what, 85% of Americans do?- why would you consider this sick?
 
2013-04-03 08:43:32 PM
Meh. Zero farks given. There are occasions where the victim should get a good shot in at the attacker. Rapist? Punishment is rape by horse using sand impregnated lube. fark civility.
 
2013-04-03 08:43:51 PM

SevenizGud: if it is torture to do this to this criminal, then what would has actions towards the other guy be categorized as?


It would be torture. Which is specifically why the criminal is a "criminal."
 
2013-04-03 08:44:29 PM
Meh...he's had plenty of time to come up with the money for restitution.  He did what he did, and now it's time to pay the piper.  While it's harsh, so is the life his victim will be forced to live out.  Only difference is that his victim got to spend an extra 10 years suffering, whereas douchie-boy got to walk around on two feet.
 
2013-04-03 08:44:53 PM
Instead of eye-4-eye, wouldn't a better arrangement be to make him be his (former) pal's legs for the rest of their lives? Being his slave in all things physical would take away his freedom of movement, just in a different way from the paralyzed guy.
 
2013-04-03 08:45:11 PM
Interesting enough 'An eye for an eye' was a dial-down from previous methods of punishment and revenge.

Originally people who retaliate in 'a death for an eye' way. 'AEFAE' was a way of making things 'more equal'.
 
2013-04-03 08:47:23 PM
Well, that sucks. If I'm not mistaken, Saudi Islamic law allows the victim's family to make the decision and if the family's victim decides to take money as compensation for the crime, than the perpetrator can be set free. But it's entirely up to the victim's family if they are willing to forgive.

/someone please correct me if I'm wrong
 
2013-04-03 08:48:01 PM
But how does this benefit the victim?

If they really want to "make the punishment fit the crime" and all that, and the criminal isn't paying up, he should have to serve his time as the bound servant of his victim. Waiting on him hand & foot, obeying his every whim, wiping his ass when he shiats, etc. Make him actually pay for the result of his crime, and benefit the victim. While I'm sure the victim will have some mental satisfaction from knowing the attacker is also paralyzed, I don't see how it helps anyone out in the long run.
 
2013-04-03 08:48:31 PM

LewDux: Ali al-Khawahir left his victim paralysed a decade ago and is now facing the same fate from the waist down if he fails to pay compensation of one million riyals (£176,000).
 Al-Khawahir's mum has been begging wealthy philanthropists to come forward to contribute to the fund.


Farkers, we you can save him, we you have Paypal technology


The question remains, why would we want to? The same question nobody bothered to ask before creating the bionic man.
 
2013-04-03 08:49:10 PM

Fade2black: I'm ok with this. I sometimes wonder if the eye for an eye response was implemented here in the states.


We're banning Big Gulps and dodgeball, wondering is as far as we'll ever get.
 
2013-04-03 08:49:51 PM
Question:  If he has been in jail since he is fourteen years old, how can he be expected to earn the 1m riyals  that have been awarded?  If he is paralyzed, who will support him and his lack of prospects, allah?
Wouldn't it be better to put his ass to work caring for his victim or working and paying his debt awarded?  After all if they paralyze him, the victim gets nothing.
 
2013-04-03 08:50:56 PM
Not cool.  You should hang goblins.  A noose is reusable for all your execution needs.
 
2013-04-03 08:51:32 PM

Daedalus27: Question:  If he has been in jail since he is fourteen years old, how can he be expected to earn the 1m riyals  that have been awarded?  If he is paralyzed, who will support him and his lack of prospects, allah?
Wouldn't it be better to put his ass to work caring for his victim or working and paying his debt awarded?  After all if they paralyze him, the victim gets nothing.


We'd get the Saudi version of this:

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After Fox picked it up, it'd be golden in American Idol's slot.
 
2013-04-03 08:51:35 PM

Fade2black: I'm ok with this. I sometimes wonder if the eye for an eye response was implemented here in the states.


Wonder about what?  Whether we'd be as shiatty and barbaric as they are?  Probably.
 
2013-04-03 08:51:47 PM
Saudi Arabia is one deeply farked up country. For this and many other reasons.


malaktaus: If you support the death penalty- and, what, 85% of Americans do?- why would you consider this sick?


Looks like 63% as of January 2013.
 
2013-04-03 08:53:47 PM
Recidivism cut. Problem cut. Someone vile is removed from the picture.

The problem is...?
 
2013-04-03 08:54:42 PM

Gyrfalcon: But how does this benefit the victim?

If they really want to "make the punishment fit the crime" and all that, and the criminal isn't paying up, he should have to serve his time as the bound servant of his victim. Waiting on him hand & foot, obeying his every whim, wiping his ass when he shiats, etc. Make him actually pay for the result of his crime, and benefit the victim. While I'm sure the victim will have some mental satisfaction from knowing the attacker is also paralyzed, I don't see how it helps anyone out in the long run.


The victim needs a power forward for his murderball team.
 
2013-04-03 08:55:20 PM

malaktaus: If you support the death penalty- and, what, 85% of Americans do?- why would you consider this sick?


Because there was no death involved in this case, only horrific injury.  The death penalty is about harm reduction by eliminating the most dangerous individuals from society so that they cannot commit any future harm.  So far the penalty (10 years in jail and 1m in restitution) doesn't seem too far off from what he may get in many countries. The only difference is the paralyzation if he doesn't pay up and that seems excessive and counterproductive as you will be unable to collect the restitution if the criminal cannot meaningfully work anymore (please note, I know paralyzed individuals can be productive members of the workforce, but this is a unskilled person with a criminal record so that the job prospects are minimal beyond manual labor which has been taken away as a job catagory if he is paralyzed)
 
2013-04-03 08:56:05 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Recidivism cut. Problem cut. Someone vile is removed from the picture.

The problem is...?


You're OK with rich people being able to buy their way out of punishment?
 
2013-04-03 08:56:20 PM
Wow, buncha sickos here.  I see some people have trouble with the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" lesson.
 
2013-04-03 08:56:55 PM

Bravo Two: Meh. Zero farks given. There are occasions where the victim should get a good shot in at the attacker. Rapist? Punishment is rape by horse using sand impregnated lube. fark civility.


Minus the sand and with some good lube. The punishment has enough depth as it is.
 
2013-04-03 08:57:14 PM

Gawdzila: Wow, buncha sickos here.  I see some people have trouble with the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" lesson.


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2013-04-03 08:57:27 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Fade2black: I'm ok with this. I sometimes wonder if the eye for an eye response was implemented here in the states.

Wonder about what?  Whether we'd be as shiatty and barbaric as they are?  Probably.


This.
 
2013-04-03 08:58:18 PM

Gyrfalcon: But how does this benefit the victim?

If they really want to "make the punishment fit the crime" and all that, and the criminal isn't paying up, he should have to serve his time as the bound servant of his victim. Waiting on him hand & foot, obeying his every whim, wiping his ass when he shiats, etc. Make him actually pay for the result of his crime, and benefit the victim. While I'm sure the victim will have some mental satisfaction from knowing the attacker is also paralyzed, I don't see how it helps anyone out in the long run.


Oh you silly silly emotional carbon sack.

It's not about the victim. That's vengeance. Find a Batman for that.

Removing someone society that is a problem, that will likely remain a problem, and would tax the jail system, remove them. Problem solved.

I swear to christ people get all involved with the ideology that 'all life is equal'.

Damn carbon sacks.
 
2013-04-03 08:59:22 PM

fusillade762: Capo Del Bandito: Recidivism cut. Problem cut. Someone vile is removed from the picture.

The problem is...?

You're OK with rich people being able to buy their way out of punishment?


You act as if human life *doesn't* have a coin value.

Humans are not born with some innate value that is 'priceless'.

People have worth. If someone is going to pay that ransom, make sure it's a good ransom.
 
2013-04-03 09:00:05 PM
Wonder why they didn't ask the guy who was stabbed what he thought?

Also, I did a lot of stupid stuff when I was 14 but I managed to keep myself from stabbing anyone in the back or anywhere else for that matter. I have to imagine he knew about the whole 'eye for an eye' thing back then.
 
2013-04-03 09:00:32 PM

MichiganFTL: Fade2black: I'm ok with this. I sometimes wonder if the eye for an eye response was implemented here in the states.

We're banning Big Gulps and dodgeball, wondering is as far as we'll ever get.


Conservative beliefs:
"I get a boner when governments kill and maim people"
"Keeping Big Gulps out of my fat hands is torture"

/ Lovely people, conservatives
 
2013-04-03 09:02:37 PM
If by sick you mean awesome, yeah it's sick alright.
 
2013-04-03 09:03:09 PM
I would think that if the perpetrator become the indentured servant of the victim then he would just make sure and kill him this time. What would he have to lose? He's already stabbed the guy in the back once, and a lifetime of wiping this guys ass isn't going to set well I am guessing. So kill him once and for all. If he did it right, they would think it was due to his injuries and maybe your indentured servitude would be over. Doesn't sound like the best of ideas, even though it is intended to help out the victim. But that's just my two cents.

The perp just needs a good scoldiosing!
 
2013-04-03 09:03:27 PM
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2013-04-03 09:04:48 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Fade2black: I'm ok with this. I sometimes wonder if the eye for an eye response was implemented here in the states.

Wonder about what?  Whether we'd be as shiatty and barbaric as they are?  Probably.


Hence, the sick tag.
 
2013-04-03 09:05:18 PM
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2013-04-03 09:05:18 PM

Eps05: /if the victim was a girl he'd be a local hero.


Things are different in Texas than in turban-land. We guys tend to protect girls more than boys. I think it is human nature here, don't know why. Am not a psychologist, but my sister is a prof in that field; time to email her.
 
2013-04-03 09:05:20 PM

Capo Del Bandito: fusillade762: Capo Del Bandito: Recidivism cut. Problem cut. Someone vile is removed from the picture.

The problem is...?

You're OK with rich people being able to buy their way out of punishment?

You act as if human life *doesn't* have a coin value.

Humans are not born with some innate value that is 'priceless'.

People have worth. If someone is going to pay that ransom, make sure it's a good ransom.


That's all fine and dandy until some rich person who hates you stabs you, hands the court a wad of money and waltzes off.
 
2013-04-03 09:05:22 PM

Fade2black: I'm ok with this. I sometimes wonder if the eye for an eye response was implemented here in the states.


You wonder what, exactly?
 
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