And the NRA sides with human right's abusers world wide.

Must be Wednesday.

Nadie_AZ: Again, this can be boiled down to "Obama bad, UN bad". If Bush Jr were in office, they'd be all in favor of it.

No, there is a contingent that would have screamed bloody murder about it under him.

The difference is, under GWB, the party leaders kept them quiet.

The ATT's purpose is not about consumer access to firearms or individual ownership of guns, but rather, setting controls on the international gun trade based on whether the weapons "will be used to break humanitarian law, foment genocide or war crimes, abet terrorism or organized crime or slaughter women and children."

No way.  My dad sent me an email entitled "FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:OBAMA AND UN PLAN TO CONFISCATE GUNS FROM PRIVATE HOMES" that seems legit.

Cutting down weapons sales to human rights abusers might negatively impact corporate profits. Can't have that.

If we don't sell arms to rogue nations, how will we ever justify the military strikes against their regimes and the no-bid contracts to campaign supporters that come with it?

You mean no more 30 year old ordinance being sold to the local warlords in Africa? Oh noes!

The smart arms dealers will find loopholes around this. Specially with no enforcement in place to stop them. This is the same crap that the UN spun about controlling the Internet primary DNS servers. Unless someone empowers the UN to let this happen it's all bullcrap.

Well... They certainly can't be on the Right side of any issue.

meat0918: And the NRA sides with human right's abusers world wide.

The NRA sides with ordinary gun owners who aren`t hurting anybody... as they have always done. Nice try, though.

NRA siding with terrorist nations? I'm shocked!

EvilRacistNaziFascist: meat0918: And the NRA sides with human right's abusers world wide.

The NRA sides with ordinary gun owners who aren`t hurting anybody... as they have always done. Nice try, though.

Since this treaty has no impact what so ever on ordinary gun owners who aren't hurting anybody, how do you explain the NRAs opposition?

Of course, they do... These aren't people known for rational thought, moderate opinions or being concerned about facts.

These are the same people who essentially spat in Bob Dole's face when he tried to get them to approve of the innocuous UN Disabilities Treaty and made ridiculous claims about abortion, the loss of rights for America parents, and national sovereignty.

The GOP is nothing more than an insurgent outlier.

Baelz: The smart arms dealers will find loopholes around this. Specially with no enforcement in place to stop them

The loophole is that there is no enforcement mechanism. It's a fairly largish loophole.

Thus continuing our long tradition of having the Executive Branch negotiate treaties, and the Legislative Branch go: "Haha, No."

EvilRacistNaziFascist: meat0918: And the NRA sides with human right's abusers world wide.

The NRA sides with ordinary gun owners who aren`t hurting anybody gun manufacturers ... as they have always done. Nice try, though.

Indeed, nice try.

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Baelz: it's all bullcrap.

Well, it's a first step, at least.  You can't hope to fix a problem until you can agree there is a problem.

Half of those bastards would sell missile plans to NK if they thought it would make Obama look bad.

That's an odd way of looking at it, Subby. But I guess a headline saying 'gun nuts: "WHARRGARBLE!" ' wouldn't get greened.

A few threads down there's a post that reads:

A study in today's party differences: . . . . POTUS gives 5% of salary.

This would fit very will into that blank spot.

Who needs more proof that the GOP has become the party of extreme radicals?   Siding with Iran, Syria and North Korea.  Really.

Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Pay attention, kiddies, this is how ye troll

Is it trolling if it's true?

I don't know about anyone else, but I like proper context. First of all, the US voted in favor of the treaty at the UN. The GOP (and, presumably some Dems as well since TFA says the treaty will struggle to even get 50 votes in the Senate) are not voting to side with Syria, Iran, and NK, they are voting against the treaty for their own convoluted reasons.

I liken it so examples where people on the right point to the voting record of someone on the left where they'll see "See Dem X voted AGAINST tax cuts for middle class Americans! He's against the middle class!". Reality: The bill up for a vote had a rider with 25 new restrictions on abortion rights.

Raise your hand if you are at all surprised about this or that Rand Paul would be spreading fear-mongering lies about the treaty.

Protip: brain scans show the decision making of conservatives is primarily driven by fear.

...so you shouldn't be surprised that American conservatives think the same way fear-mongering countries do.

theknuckler_33: Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Pay attention, kiddies, this is how ye troll

Is it trolling if it's true?

I don't know about anyone else, but I like proper context. First of all, the US voted in favor of the treaty at the UN. The GOP (and, presumably some Dems as well since TFA says the treaty will struggle to even get 50 votes in the Senate) are not voting to side with Syria, Iran, and NK, they are voting against the treaty for their own convoluted reasons.

I liken it so examples where people on the right point to the voting record of someone on the left where they'll see "See Dem X voted AGAINST tax cuts for middle class Americans! He's against the middle class!". Reality: The bill up for a vote had a rider with 25 new restrictions on abortion rights.

Their reasons are not convoluted. Blind hatred for the Administration and complete subservience to the weapons industry are pretty straightforward.

But don't you dare say the NRA is a gun manufacturing lobby, not a gun owner's lobby.

Lord_Baull: Raise your hand if you are at all surprised about this or that Rand Paul would be spreading fear-mongering lies about the treaty.

Rand Paul is making even his father look like a reasonable and responsible legislator.

Hey, this is steeped in teabagger goodness: stick it to the UN, stick it to Europe, AND stick it to the liberals. AND you get to hold up a gun while foaming at the mouth about conspiracies. It's distilled Republican teajuice. They MUST join NK, Iran, and Syria on this one.