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(MSNBC)   Senate Republicans side with North Korea, Syria, and Iran on new international arms treaty   (maddowblog.msnbc.com) divider line 187
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2013-04-03 03:49:48 PM  
Pay attention, kiddies, this is how ye troll
 
2013-04-03 03:50:55 PM  
Classy move...
 
2013-04-03 03:52:30 PM  
Obvious tag being held at gunpoint?
 
2013-04-03 03:53:42 PM  
The United Nations General Assembly voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to approve a pioneering treaty aimed at regulating the enormous global trade in conventional weapons, for the first time linking sales to the human rights records of the buyers.

Although implementation is years away and there is no specific enforcement mechanism, proponents say the treaty would for the first time force sellers to consider how their customers will use the weapons and to make that information public. The goal is to curb the sale of weapons that kill tens of thousands of people every year -- by, for example, making it harder for Russia to argue that its arms deals with Syria are legal under international law.

Following seven years of negotiations, the Arms Trade Treaty was approved by the U.N. General Assembly, 154 to 3, though there were many abstentions. The United States was part of the majority.


I can't help but think the US will sell them to most anyone, anyways.

That said, Iran, North Korea, and Syria -- arguably the nation's three largest pariah states -- took a stand against the Arms Trade Treaty.

What's interesting about that? At a certain level, nothing, given the expectations surrounding these three countries, but what I find noteworthy is that the National Rifle Association and Republican policymakers are taking the Iranian, North Korean, and Syrian side of the argument.

The NRA and other gun groups strongly opposed the treaty, capitalizing on conservative myths that it would infringe on Second Amendment rights by undermining the country's sovereignty. But the gun lobby's real opposition to the treaty is probably economics. The US is the world's leading arms exporter, and gun dealers aren't eager to be required to report weapons exports that may wind up in the hands of warlords or terrorists overseas.

GOP senators like Rand Paul (Ky.) are still repeating the false claim that abiding by the treaty would lead to an international registry of American gun owners and "full-scale gun CONFISCATION." Conservatives have also argued that the treaty violates the Second Amendment by recognizing the rights of governments, but not their citizens, to self-defense, even though it has no international policing mechanism and explicitly recognizes the "inherent right of all States to individual or collective self-defense."


Again, this can be boiled down to "Obama bad, UN bad". If Bush Jr were in office, they'd be all in favor of it.
 
2013-04-03 03:53:55 PM  
Assholes of a feather...
 
2013-04-03 03:55:34 PM  

cman: Pay attention, kiddies, this is how ye troll


Is it trolling if it's true?
 
2013-04-03 03:59:21 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Pay attention, kiddies, this is how ye troll

Is it trolling if it's true?


Yes

Its all about the delivery, not the facts, that makes it a troll or no
 
2013-04-03 04:01:17 PM  

cman: Its all about the delivery, not the facts, that makes it a troll or no


What if you deliver the facts in a succinct 14 word sentence?
 
2013-04-03 04:04:41 PM  
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Its a good thing that WE would NEVER sell weapons to rogue organizations!
 
2013-04-03 04:07:56 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Its all about the delivery, not the facts, that makes it a troll or no

What if you deliver the facts in a succinct 14 word sentence?


I can:  Republicans are f*cking assholes.

OK, I'm a few short...
 
2013-04-03 04:11:22 PM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 271x186]

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Its a good thing that WE would NEVER sell weapons to rogue organizations!


In a just world, Oliver North would have gotten a firing squad, not a talk show.
 
2013-04-03 04:12:17 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Its all about the delivery, not the facts, that makes it a troll or no

What if you deliver the facts in a succinct 14 word sentence?


FFS I am too damn high to have a debate about trolling, trollbaiting, flaming, etc
 
2013-04-03 04:19:41 PM  
Well of course they are siding with them.  It is for different reasons though.

Iran, NK and Syria want to be able to do whatever the fark they want to whomever they want with whatever weapons they can get their hands on.

The GOP wants to make money off that.
 
2013-04-03 04:20:41 PM  

vernonFL: ts a good thing that WE would NEVER sell weapons to rogue organizations!


Yes. Isn't it? Very interdasting.....

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Deep thoughts with Skinnyhead
 
2013-04-03 04:21:11 PM  
Ah, it appears to be another 'let's get mad that someone told the truth' thread.
 
2013-04-03 04:25:09 PM  

cman: FFS I am too damn high to have a debate about trolling, trollbaiting, flaming, etc


Haha right on. Carry on.
 
2013-04-03 05:19:46 PM  
And the NRA sides with human right's abusers world wide.

Must be Wednesday.
 
2013-04-03 05:22:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Again, this can be boiled down to "Obama bad, UN bad". If Bush Jr were in office, they'd be all in favor of it.


No, there is a contingent that would have screamed bloody murder about it under him.

The difference is, under GWB, the party leaders kept them quiet.
 
2013-04-03 05:23:41 PM  
The ATT's purpose is not about consumer access to firearms or individual ownership of guns, but rather, setting controls on the international gun trade based on whether the weapons "will be used to break humanitarian law, foment genocide or war crimes, abet terrorism or organized crime or slaughter women and children."

No way.  My dad sent me an email entitled "FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:OBAMA AND UN PLAN TO CONFISCATE GUNS FROM PRIVATE HOMES" that seems legit.
 
2013-04-03 05:24:28 PM  
Cutting down weapons sales to human rights abusers might negatively impact corporate profits. Can't have that.
 
2013-04-03 05:24:42 PM  
If we don't sell arms to rogue nations, how will we ever justify the military strikes against their regimes and the no-bid contracts to campaign supporters that come with it?
 
2013-04-03 05:26:39 PM  
You mean no more 30 year old ordinance being sold to the local warlords in Africa? Oh noes!

The smart arms dealers will find loopholes around this. Specially with no enforcement in place to stop them. This is the same crap that the UN spun about controlling the Internet primary DNS servers. Unless someone empowers the UN to let this happen it's all bullcrap.
 
2013-04-03 05:27:35 PM  
Well... They certainly can't be on the Right side of any issue.
 
2013-04-03 05:27:51 PM  

meat0918: And the NRA sides with human right's abusers world wide.


The NRA sides with ordinary gun owners who aren`t hurting anybody... as they have always done. Nice try, though.
 
2013-04-03 05:28:59 PM  
NRA siding with terrorist nations? I'm shocked!
 
2013-04-03 05:30:04 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: meat0918: And the NRA sides with human right's abusers world wide.

The NRA sides with ordinary gun owners who aren`t hurting anybody... as they have always done. Nice try, though.


Since this treaty has no impact what so ever on ordinary gun owners who aren't hurting anybody, how do you explain the NRAs opposition?
 
2013-04-03 05:30:26 PM  
Of course, they do... These aren't people known for rational thought, moderate opinions or being concerned about facts.

These are the same people who essentially spat in Bob Dole's face when he tried to get them to approve of the innocuous UN Disabilities Treaty and made ridiculous claims about abortion, the loss of rights for America parents, and national sovereignty.

The GOP is nothing more than an insurgent outlier.
 
2013-04-03 05:30:30 PM  

Baelz: The smart arms dealers will find loopholes around this. Specially with no enforcement in place to stop them


The loophole is that there is no enforcement mechanism. It's a fairly largish loophole.
 
2013-04-03 05:31:23 PM  
Thus continuing our long tradition of having the Executive Branch negotiate treaties, and the Legislative Branch go: "Haha, No."
 
2013-04-03 05:31:36 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: meat0918: And the NRA sides with human right's abusers world wide.

The NRA sides with ordinary gun owners who aren`t hurting anybody gun manufacturers

 ... as they have always done. Nice try, though.

Indeed, nice try.
 
2013-04-03 05:31:43 PM  

lantawa: vernonFL: ts a good thing that WE would NEVER sell weapons to rogue organizations!

Yes. Isn't it? Very interdasting.....

[i466.photobucket.com image 750x490]

Deep thoughts with Skinnyhead


I think there's a massive difference in doing a shiatty attempt and a criminal investigation and purposely laundering money into death squads that murded and raped nuns and babie by selling spare parts for f-14s and missle to the iranians.  But yeah.  Go with that BSARBVR thing...
 
2013-04-03 05:32:18 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: and at a criminal investigation

 
2013-04-03 05:33:07 PM  
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2013-04-03 05:33:51 PM  

Baelz: it's all bullcrap.


Well, it's a first step, at least.  You can't hope to fix a problem until you can agree there is a problem.
 
2013-04-03 05:34:26 PM  
Half of those bastards would sell missile plans to NK if they thought it would make Obama look bad.
 
2013-04-03 05:36:40 PM  
Well, yeah - Republicans are enemies of the US. We've known this since 1980. Old news is old.
 
2013-04-03 05:37:32 PM  

Bloody William: vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 271x186]

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x424]

Its a good thing that WE would NEVER sell weapons to rogue organizations!

In a just world, Oliver North would have gotten a firing squad, not a talk show.


joined later by folks from the bush administration. senior folks. very senior.
 
2013-04-03 05:37:43 PM  
That's an odd way of looking at it, Subby. But I guess a headline saying 'gun nuts: "WHARRGARBLE!" ' wouldn't get greened.
 
2013-04-03 05:37:50 PM  
Since the non-binding resolution in the Senate stating that they wouldn't ratify the treaty had 53 yea votes, and there are only 45 Republicans in the Senate, so it seems like there's bi-partisan support to dump this treaty.
 
2013-04-03 05:38:07 PM  
A few threads down there's a post that reads:

A study in today's party differences: . . . . POTUS gives 5% of salary.

This would fit very will into that blank spot.
 
2013-04-03 05:39:03 PM  
Who needs more proof that the GOP has become the party of extreme radicals?   Siding with Iran, Syria and North Korea.  Really.
 
2013-04-03 05:44:40 PM  
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. And Obama is the GOP's enemy so everyone from China to North Korea to the Galactic Goddamned Empire is the GOP's friend, even if it makes the US burn to the ground.
 
2013-04-03 05:44:42 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Pay attention, kiddies, this is how ye troll

Is it trolling if it's true?


I don't know about anyone else, but I like proper context. First of all, the US voted in favor of the treaty at the UN. The GOP (and, presumably some Dems as well since TFA says the treaty will struggle to even get 50 votes in the Senate) are not voting to side with Syria, Iran, and NK, they are voting against the treaty for their own convoluted reasons.

I liken it so examples where people on the right point to the voting record of someone on the left where they'll see "See Dem X voted AGAINST tax cuts for middle class Americans! He's against the middle class!". Reality: The bill up for a vote had a rider with 25 new restrictions on abortion rights.
 
2013-04-03 05:45:13 PM  
Raise your hand if you are at all surprised about this or that Rand Paul would be spreading fear-mongering lies about the treaty.
 
2013-04-03 05:47:47 PM  
Protip: brain scans show the decision making of conservatives is primarily driven by fear.

...so you shouldn't be surprised that American conservatives think the same way fear-mongering countries do.
 
2013-04-03 05:48:18 PM  

theknuckler_33: Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Pay attention, kiddies, this is how ye troll

Is it trolling if it's true?

I don't know about anyone else, but I like proper context. First of all, the US voted in favor of the treaty at the UN. The GOP (and, presumably some Dems as well since TFA says the treaty will struggle to even get 50 votes in the Senate) are not voting to side with Syria, Iran, and NK, they are voting against the treaty for their own convoluted reasons.

I liken it so examples where people on the right point to the voting record of someone on the left where they'll see "See Dem X voted AGAINST tax cuts for middle class Americans! He's against the middle class!". Reality: The bill up for a vote had a rider with 25 new restrictions on abortion rights.


Their reasons are not convoluted. Blind hatred for the Administration and complete subservience to the weapons industry are pretty straightforward.
 
2013-04-03 05:49:09 PM  
But don't you dare say the NRA is a gun manufacturing lobby, not a gun owner's lobby.
 
2013-04-03 05:49:32 PM  

theknuckler_33: Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Pay attention, kiddies, this is how ye troll

Is it trolling if it's true?

I don't know about anyone else, but I like proper context. First of all, the US voted in favor of the treaty at the UN. The GOP (and, presumably some Dems as well since TFA says the treaty will struggle to even get 50 votes in the Senate) are not voting to side with Syria, Iran, and NK, they are voting against the treaty for their own convoluted reasons.

I liken it so examples where people on the right point to the voting record of someone on the left where they'll see "See Dem X voted AGAINST tax cuts for middle class Americans! He's against the middle class!". Reality: The bill up for a vote had a rider with 25 new restrictions on abortion rights.


Except it's nothing like that because there aren't any riders.

There are some batshiat crazy paranoid wackaloons squealing about Agenda 21 and how the UN will confiscate your guns (these include recent VP candidate and notable lying shiatbag Paul Ryan). The additional Dem votes in the Senate aren't because of riders. They are either attempts by said Dem to side with the more disgusting shiatbag elements of his/her constituency (itself a shiatbag move) or they did it to curry favor with some other shiatbags.

Basically if you voted against it you're either evil or stupid. That being the explnation for 99% of anything GOP related.
 
2013-04-03 05:52:48 PM  

Lord_Baull: Raise your hand if you are at all surprised about this or that Rand Paul would be spreading fear-mongering lies about the treaty.


Rand Paul is making even his father look like a reasonable and responsible legislator.
 
2013-04-03 05:52:49 PM  
Hey, this is steeped in teabagger goodness: stick it to the UN, stick it to Europe, AND stick it to the liberals. AND you get to hold up a gun while foaming at the mouth about conspiracies. It's distilled Republican teajuice. They MUST join NK, Iran, and Syria on this one.
 
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