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(Opposing Views)   Florida Family Policy Council says gay scoutmasters won't be molesting boy scouts, but boy scouts will be molesting each other, if the ban against gays is lifted   (opposingviews.com) divider line 76
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2013-04-03 02:21:04 PM
"It's hip, it's edgy to be gay and so they're all saying they're gay. They have no idea. Well if scouting sends the message, 'we're open for gays,' you're going to have so much nonsense going on between older boys and younger boys..."

Yup. Being gay is the new cool thing to do in high school. All these high school boys running around trying to out-gay everyone. Damn teenagers.
 
2013-04-03 02:25:28 PM
So why did the BSA keep a 30+ year record of molesters in their ranks, and do very little to stop them from reappearing in troop after troop?
 
2013-04-03 02:38:12 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: So why did the BSA keep a 30+ year record of molesters in their ranks, and do very little to stop them from reappearing in troop after troop?


Makes life easier for casting directors.
 
2013-04-03 02:54:57 PM
Once again, sexism shines through.  Remember that just about everyone that blathers on about shiat like this is ignoring by far the most common form of child abuse.
 
2013-04-03 02:59:53 PM

Pocket Ninja: "It's hip, it's edgy to be gay and so they're all saying they're gay. They have no idea. Well if scouting sends the message, 'we're open for gays,' you're going to have so much nonsense going on between older boys and younger boys..."

Yup. Being gay is the new cool thing to do in high school. All these high school boys running around trying to out-gay everyone. Damn teenagers.


Gaying up my lawn with their gaiety.  Back in my day, it was hip to be square.  And another thing, how come they don't make good music anymore like Huey Lewis and the News?
 
2013-04-03 03:00:53 PM
Really?  Again with the argument that people will just go gay just because.  I think the right must seriously be in the closet, and using these laws and rules to sort of restrain themselves from acting as their heart desires.
 
2013-04-03 03:01:06 PM
You know boys, you can't leave them alone for 5 minutes without them breaking into rape.
 
2013-04-03 03:01:35 PM
"and this is the merit badge I got for going down on Greg"
 
2013-04-03 03:02:35 PM
FTA: "It's just like they don't even know what they're talking about,"

It's just, like, oh my god, are you like, totally gay?

/he already sounds gay.
//isn't that how the gays talk?
 
2013-04-03 03:03:41 PM

Pocket Ninja: "It's hip, it's edgy to be gay and so they're all saying they're gay. They have no idea. Well if scouting sends the message, 'we're open for gays,' you're going to have so much nonsense going on between older boys and younger boys..."

Yup. Being gay is the new cool thing to do in high school. All these high school boys running around trying to out-gay everyone. Damn teenagers.


There was this girl in my class, without getting too graphic let me just say she did it for me.  But all my friends were in gay relations so instead of asking her to the prom I'm going with another closeted hetero
 
2013-04-03 03:03:49 PM
I swear to God my head is going to explode.  I could post the Captain-Bald-Star-Trek-guy-whose-name-starts-with-P facepalm pic, I would.   I think it was Picard.
 
2013-04-03 03:04:49 PM

Antimatter: Really?  Again with the argument that people will just go gay just because.  I think the right must seriously be in the closet, and using these laws and rules to sort of restrain themselves from acting as their heart desires.


This. If you're worried that associating with outed gays will make you gay, then you might be gay.
 
2013-04-03 03:05:43 PM
I have a collection of anecdotes from former boy scouts that this happened all the time anyways, under the guise of "hazing".
 
2013-04-03 03:07:14 PM
rubbing two sticks together ... the friction increasing ....
 
2013-04-03 03:08:12 PM
First thing is to get rid of the "Gay Sex" merit badge.
 
2013-04-03 03:09:02 PM
Remember - it's always, without exception, the openly gay man who is most likely to molest boys.
 
2013-04-03 03:10:57 PM
The next thing you know they will want to go around selling cookies.
 
2013-04-03 03:11:13 PM
There's certainly nothing gay about an interest in neckerchiefs and attending a "jamboree" [makes jazz hands motion].
 
2013-04-03 03:12:12 PM
As a former scout myself, in hindsight, for lack of a better word, there was quite a few funny boys in there. Seems everyone was really into campy British sitcoms.
 
2013-04-03 03:13:35 PM
The Boy Scouts of America - Maybe Doing the Right Thing After We Take a Poll About It Since 1910
 
2013-04-03 03:13:53 PM
As an Eagle Scout; I'm getting a kick out of these comments.

I imagine that this kind of stuff happens already. I never, personally, heard about or observed any funny business between guys at camp; but, I did hear stories about funny business a few times if there was a Girl Scout camp in the vicinity.
 
2013-04-03 03:14:18 PM
boy scouts will be molesting each other

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2013-04-03 03:14:19 PM
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2013-04-03 03:15:16 PM
Of the couple of dozen folks that was in my troop for most of the time I was there was like 1 who has since come out of the closet, and he was one that you had a pretty good idea of it before it was ever official.
 
2013-04-03 03:16:45 PM

Pocket Ninja: "It's hip, it's edgy to be gay and so they're all saying they're gay. They have no idea. Well if scouting sends the message, 'we're open for gays,' you're going to have so much nonsense going on between older boys and younger boys..."

Yup. Being gay is the new cool thing to do in high school. All these high school boys running around trying to out-gay everyone. Damn teenagers.


Boys will do anything to have sex with a girl. If that means they have to be gay in order to be popular...

Wait a second. That doesn't make any sense.
 
2013-04-03 03:16:52 PM

Bermuda59: First thing is to get rid of the "Gay Sex" merit badge.


But it looks so "fabulous" on the sash

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2013-04-03 03:18:41 PM
When your in the boy scouts, it's not molestation, it's "experimentation".
 
2013-04-03 03:19:46 PM

Dr.Zom: The Boy Scouts of America - Maybe Doing the Right Thing After We Take a Poll About It Since 1910


Last I checked, the BSA had been taking quite a few poles over the last 30 years. I am sure one more won't hurt as long as they lube it properly
 
2013-04-03 03:19:54 PM

meat0918: I have a collection of anecdotes from former boy scouts that this happened all the time anyways, under the guise of "hazing".


This
 
2013-04-03 03:21:32 PM
Homosexual exploration among children is normal and ubiquitous.  I've seen it in summer camp and Catholic boarding school.  Doesn't mean anyone is gay, necessarily, and it certainly didn't tip me in that direction.

/it did get me out of that damned boarding school, so i am grateful for gaiety
 
2013-04-03 03:22:38 PM

impaler: Pocket Ninja: "It's hip, it's edgy to be gay and so they're all saying they're gay. They have no idea. Well if scouting sends the message, 'we're open for gays,' you're going to have so much nonsense going on between older boys and younger boys..."

Yup. Being gay is the new cool thing to do in high school. All these high school boys running around trying to out-gay everyone. Damn teenagers.

Boys will do anything to have sex with a girl. If that means they have to be gay in order to be popular...

Wait a second. That doesn't make any sense.


You'd be surprised at the amount of tail you can get if girls think you're gay.

/ I have a friend who is a very horrible person; one time he actually convinced a girl that he was a gynecologist and into taking off her top.
 
2013-04-03 03:24:24 PM
DNRTFA, but for the record, the claim made in the headline is definitely consistent with my experience, though it occurred a long farking time ago, and was under the then apparently agnostic policy of the time.
Poor kids(s) all, one very aggressive, hyper-sexualized, (and one of my bffs) and a whole bunch of 'victims' yours truly amongst them.  The aforementioned aggressor and Bff, adolescent suicided a few years later.  CSB
Also for the record, the BSA was one of the best things in my and my brother's young lives.  I find it very disheartening that it has become a focus for this kind of political debate.  Another CSB.  2 of the 3 sides to this are wrong, and it isn't the LGBT or the scouts.
 
2013-04-03 03:24:49 PM

Fano: meat0918: I have a collection of anecdotes from former boy scouts that this happened all the time anyways, under the guise of "hazing".

This


It wasn't so much hazing, from what my gay eagle scout friend said, but more like 'being away from the prying eyes of adults, in a secluded place, with some other gay minded boys, and being able to experiment'.

We say the same thing in venture scouting, which is coed.  When we went to scout camp, boys and girls woudl find some secluded place and things get hot real fast.
 
2013-04-03 03:25:53 PM
The ignorance is astounding...
 
2013-04-03 03:26:42 PM
also, it's not gay if the tips touch...
 
2013-04-03 03:28:20 PM
but boy scouts will be molesting each other

I'm afraid the Council has their tenses wrong.

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2013-04-03 03:31:25 PM

lilbjorn: but boy scouts will be molesting each other

I'm afraid the Council has their tenses wrong.

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Best editor fail I've ever seen! +1
 
2013-04-03 03:32:41 PM

iheartscotch: As an Eagle Scout; I'm getting a kick out of these comments.

I imagine that this kind of stuff happens already. I never, personally, heard about or observed any funny business between guys at camp; but, I did hear stories about funny business a few times if there was a Girl Scout camp in the vicinity.


Also an Eagle Scout.  I did hear about said funny stuff between guys, and have my suspicions that I inadvertently interrupted some of it.  As a dumb kid at the time, I didn't even realize that I was supposed to be outraged and offended, so two young people got to sneak in some covert nookie at camp and no heads rolled.  Can you even imagine such a world?!?  The horrors!!!!
 
2013-04-03 03:33:12 PM
Can someone help me find a link to the Conservative rebuttals of the rebuttals of their arguments?  I've googled it, but I must not be searching on the right keywords.

E.g. They say "marriage is only between a man and a woman because only a man plus a woman can conceive children."  The obvious rebuttal is "what about infertile couples?"   Their rebuttal to the rebuttal is "MOST hetero unions can produce children and it would be a huge invasion of privacy to limit marriages to just those hetero couples who actually can."  Which is stupid.  The argument then becomes a question of who has more rights- infertile heterosexual couples or infertile homosexual couples, and I can't see any justification for either group to be more entitled to social benefits than the other is.

I know there are others.  Are they even capable of cataloging them?  If so, I'd like to see their reasoning (if for no other reason to laugh at it).
 
2013-04-03 03:34:20 PM
First gay sex I had was 20 years ago at scout camp, I don't remember how to tie a knot but I do remember how to give a blowjob so the ban has not had any affect on the boys farking each other
 
2013-04-03 03:36:16 PM
Boy scouts was one of the best experiences i can remember from my childhood. Going camping all the time was great. Unfortunate many kids these days will never get to experience that.
 
2013-04-03 03:41:22 PM

adrift1827: iheartscotch: As an Eagle Scout; I'm getting a kick out of these comments.

I imagine that this kind of stuff happens already. I never, personally, heard about or observed any funny business between guys at camp; but, I did hear stories about funny business a few times if there was a Girl Scout camp in the vicinity.

Also an Eagle Scout.  I did hear about said funny stuff between guys, and have my suspicions that I inadvertently interrupted some of it.  As a dumb kid at the time, I didn't even realize that I was supposed to be outraged and offended, so two young people got to sneak in some covert nookie at camp and no heads rolled.  Can you even imagine such a world?!?  The horrors!!!!


You ever been to a major Venture Crew gathering?  (Venture Scouts are co-ed 14+ scouts).  After lights out, you practically have to announce your approach to any shrubbery sufficiently large to conceal two people engaged in "recreational adventuring."  It got so bad at one first-aid competition that on the day we left we were giving prizes for most used condoms found while on rubbish patrol after striking camp.  Strictly against the rules, but the woods are dark and it's pretty easy to sneak off and fool around.
 
2013-04-03 03:42:57 PM
www.opposingviews.com

It' s always guys like John Stemberger  who are caught soliciting in a mall washroom or procuring rent boys on Craigslist. I'll bet that if this guy had all the pricks sticking out of him that had been stuck in him he'd look like a porcupine.

It's ok to be to gay John, you can stop hating yourself.
 
2013-04-03 03:45:56 PM
I came for the simple fact of seeing if anyone was aware that boys messing around was always happening in the scout troop I was in, in the ones nearby and pretty much all of the ones in my region. (Which was in the South, btw). Leaving satisfied.

/pun intended
 
2013-04-03 03:47:54 PM
Grand_Moff_Joseph: So why did the BSA keep a 30+ year record of molesters in their ranks, and do very little to stop them from reappearing in troop after troop?

What, they're catholic now ?
 
2013-04-03 03:49:18 PM
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I loved my time as an Eagle Scout in Key West Troop 69. We had wiener roasts and pitched tents. There were sewing events, crafts, dances and a Jamboree. Here's Mark wearing a commemorative bandanna from the Fire Island Sausage Gala.
www.t-gaap.com

Kenny models an authentic Asian Bukkake
moisturizing mask, crafted by his buddy, Paco.
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Jasper in the locker room getting his 'game face' on for the "Fly Your Freak Flag-Football" scrimmage. I assure you it was still 'full contact'. Wink.
fveda.com

The Florida Family POLICY Council???
Because nothing says "Loving Family" like the word "Policy"

www.thestranger.com
Facepalm!
 
2013-04-03 04:01:20 PM
www.opposingviews.com
What a child molester may look like.
 
2013-04-03 04:03:29 PM
I was in scouts for 5 years.  Lots of stories (that I cannot substantiate) about one predatory older scout molesting quite a few of the younger boys over the years.  He was not in a leadership role.  He went to work as an aide for a democratic congressman in D.C.  I understand he is now openly gay.

Very conservative troop.  Sponsored by Sunday School class of a Baptist Church.  Scoutmaster was definitely straight and is now a judge.  He would not have tolerated this for a minute.

Close friend and frequent tent-mate was gay, and later died of AIDS.  I never knew he was gay, as at that time I would have judged him and drawn away.  He had plenty of opportunities to molest the younger kids, but he was a young man of integrity and honor.  We were entrusted by the scouts' parents to interact properly.

It's a question of character, not sexual orientation.  Now that I have grown up a bit and can have healthy work and social relationships with gay folks of both genders, I would have no objection to my son being in a scout troop with a gay leader.  I would not want his partner around at meetings or campouts (just as the straight guys don't take their wives) and I wouldn't want a majority of leaders to be gay (creating "that gay troop" that would potentially label the scouts.)   I don't know a lot of gay guys, but the ones I know do not dress, talk, walk, cook, or work any differently than I.  They do not molest children, and they do not promote their sexual orientation to anyone - just as I do not promote mine to anyone.  If they care about scouts and would take the time to teach them to be men, I respect their commitment and encourage them to participate as leaders.

Thank you for listening.
 
2013-04-03 04:07:07 PM

adrift1827: iheartscotch: As an Eagle Scout; I'm getting a kick out of these comments.

I imagine that this kind of stuff happens already. I never, personally, heard about or observed any funny business between guys at camp; but, I did hear stories about funny business a few times if there was a Girl Scout camp in the vicinity.

Also an Eagle Scout.  I did hear about said funny stuff between guys, and have my suspicions that I inadvertently interrupted some of it.  As a dumb kid at the time, I didn't even realize that I was supposed to be outraged and offended, so two young people got to sneak in some covert nookie at camp and no heads rolled.  Can you even imagine such a world?!?  The horrors!!!!


The horrors, indeed!

I remember some very hinky stuff from grade school; I didn't think anything of it till high school. I should have been shocked and appalled.
 
2013-04-03 04:12:01 PM

efgeise: What a child molester may look like.


Bite the pillow I'm going in dry
 
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