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2013-04-03 01:34:02 PM
Is there a theory that if people know it's all in their head, they'll get cured?

Or will they need a woo based solution to fix a woo based condition?
 
2013-04-03 01:34:41 PM
I don't hear whales complaining about ultrasound. It's fake.
 
2013-04-03 01:35:10 PM
I have this theory that there is some sort of outrage contest, and seemingly everyone on the planet is trying to win it.
 
2013-04-03 01:35:43 PM
Get Dyson on it.
 
2013-04-03 01:36:53 PM
A wind turbine gave me pinkeye.

They're assholes.
 
2013-04-03 01:37:32 PM
You know the most simple way to completely cure "Wind Turbine Syndrome?" Give the person "suffering" from it money - instantly all symptoms go away.
 
2013-04-03 01:38:58 PM
"We think infrasound causes problems in the inner ear and we think wind turbines produce infrasound, but we can't stand up and put our hands on our hearts and say 'Wind turbines cause wind turbine syndrome,'" says Farboud. "The symptoms are just too vague. More research needs to be done."

In other words, "We have no evidence or reason to believe there's any effect, but give us money anyway."
 
2013-04-03 01:39:48 PM

MrSteve007: You know the most simple way to completely cure "Wind Turbine Syndrome?" Give the person "suffering" from it money - instantly all symptoms go away.


It is a cure all for so many made up conditions, isn't it?
 
2013-04-03 01:40:56 PM

meat0918: MrSteve007: You know the most simple way to completely cure "Wind Turbine Syndrome?" Give the person "suffering" from it money - instantly all symptoms go away.

It is a cure all for so many made up conditions, isn't it?


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Apparently.
 
2013-04-03 01:41:38 PM
It's not fan death, that's for sure.
 
2013-04-03 01:41:43 PM
That's just the lizard people stepping up their airplane chem trail program over the wind farms to discredit clean power and benefit the oil companies.

I thought everybody knew that.
 
2013-04-03 01:41:57 PM
A wind turbine made me sterile. Study it out!
 
2013-04-03 01:43:24 PM

meat0918: Is there a theory that if people know it's all in their head, they'll get cured?

Or will they need a woo based solution to fix a woo based condition?


No, that will just spawn the idea that you're indirectly capable of making anything happen to yourself which will cause a sense of total loss of control and then a slow spiral into madness
 
2013-04-03 01:43:26 PM
Meanwhile, an Exxon pipeline spills all over an Arkansas town, but it's not technically "oil" so they are not liable for any of the damages.  But yeah, let's whinge about whether a wind turbine is causing Vague Wind-Induced Unhappiness Syndrome.
 
2013-04-03 01:44:07 PM
The subsonic whump-whump-whump sound can make you feel like puking if you're prone to motion sickness.
 
2013-04-03 01:44:25 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Meanwhile, an Exxon pipeline spills all over an Arkansas town, but it's not technically "oil" so they are not liable for any of the damages.  But yeah, let's whinge about whether a wind turbine is causing Vague Wind-Induced Unhappiness Syndrome.


But boy are they doing a good job of keeping the media away from that spill!
 
2013-04-03 01:47:58 PM
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No, actually it was little of both. Sometimes, when a disease is in all the magazines and on all the news shows, it's only natural that you think you have it.
 
2013-04-03 01:49:37 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Meanwhile, an Exxon pipeline spills all over an Arkansas town, but it's not technically "oil" so they are not liable for any of the damages.  But yeah, let's whinge about whether a wind turbine is causing Vague Wind-Induced Unhappiness Syndrome.


I don't get it. What are you trying to accomplish posting that here? It has nothing to do with this story.
 
2013-04-03 01:51:27 PM

icam: [24.media.tumblr.com image 512x384]

No, actually it was little of both. Sometimes, when a disease is in all the magazines and on all the news shows, it's only natural that you think you have it.


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I've been saying, "It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw" to hypochondriacs in the meat world since I read that.
 
2013-04-03 01:52:45 PM
Yay, placebo: turning non-issues into mass delusions since the beginning of humanity.
 
2013-04-03 02:01:10 PM
Dr. Amir Farboud, a senior surgical ear, nose and throat resident at Glan Clwyd Hospital in Rhyl, Wales and co-author of the review, says that he initially thought that wind turbine syndrome was "rubbish" when someone came into his office claiming to have it. But, over time, his opinion has changed. "The more you look into it, the more you realize there's some science behind this," he says.

Sure, maybe if you lived about 50 feet away from a turbine. MAYBE.
 
2013-04-03 02:02:52 PM

JesusJuice: "We think infrasound causes problems in the inner ear and we think wind turbines produce infrasound, but we can't stand up and put our hands on our hearts and say 'Wind turbines cause wind turbine syndrome,'" says Farboud. "The symptoms are just too vague. More research needs to be done."

In other words, "We have no evidence or reason to believe there's any effect, but give us money anyway."


Well, to be fair, they don't get evidence until they do research. You think that stuff writes itself into the books?That doesn't mean that I believe this bullshiat, but if we followed your attitude, we'd still be bloodletting to cure disease...
 
2013-04-03 02:07:56 PM

Treygreen13: icam: [24.media.tumblr.com image 512x384]

No, actually it was little of both. Sometimes, when a disease is in all the magazines and on all the news shows, it's only natural that you think you have it.

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I've been saying, "It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw" to hypochondriacs in the meat world since I read that.


That boy needs therapy.

//What does that mean?
 
2013-04-03 02:11:34 PM

meat0918: Treygreen13: icam: [24.media.tumblr.com image 512x384]

No, actually it was little of both. Sometimes, when a disease is in all the magazines and on all the news shows, it's only natural that you think you have it.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x425]
I've been saying, "It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw" to hypochondriacs in the meat world since I read that.

That boy needs therapy.

//What does that mean?


You're a nut! You're crazier than a coconut!
 
2013-04-03 02:12:52 PM
It's not psychosomatic. It's psychological torture, having to live with the constant rhythmic "whump" sound every second or two. It's like getting caught next to a thumper at a stoplight, except the light never changes.
 
2013-04-03 02:15:01 PM

Kuta: I don't hear whales complaining about ultrasound. It's fake.


Actually, Navy sonars and stuff do affect whales.  Whales will relocate if they have to endure much of it.

But yeah whales are attuned to much different frequencies than we are.
 
2013-04-03 02:15:55 PM

This About That: It's not psychosomatic. It's psychological torture, having to live with the constant rhythmic "whump" sound every second or two. It's like getting caught next to a thumper at a stoplight, except the light never changes.


Shiat, they'll summon a great maker!  Maybe Shaitan himself.
 
2013-04-03 02:18:01 PM

This About That: It's not psychosomatic. It's psychological torture, having to live with the constant rhythmic "whump" sound every second or two. It's like getting caught next to a thumper at a stoplight, except the light never changes.


At least they keep the antlions away.
 
2013-04-03 02:29:35 PM

JesusJuice: "We think infrasound causes problems in the inner ear and we think wind turbines produce infrasound, but we can't stand up and put our hands on our hearts and say 'Wind turbines cause wind turbine syndrome,'" says Farboud. "The symptoms are just too vague. More research needs to be done."

In other words, "We have no evidence or reason to believe there's any effect, but give us money anyway."


There are people who still won't use cell phones because they're afraid it might cause brain cancer, in spite of many studies showing no causal relationship or even correlation.

It's damn hard to convince some people that specific things do not cause problems because "absence of proof is not proof of absence."
 
2013-04-03 02:36:46 PM
Dr Nina Pierpont needs to have her medical license revoked. She certainly should know better than to call her self-reported, and self-published shiat "research".

Mr Steve007 has it right. The people who seem to "suffer" the worst from wind farms are those that live near a turbine, but the turbine isn't on their land, so they get no compensation.
 
2013-04-03 02:45:24 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Meanwhile, an Exxon pipeline spills all over an Arkansas town, but it's not technically "oil" so they are not liable for any of the damages.  But yeah, let's whinge about whether a wind turbine is causing Vague Wind-Induced Unhappiness Syndrome.


Good thing coal mining is super-safe.  One of them thar windmills might could hurt you.

"There was an all-time low 23 coal mining fatalities in 2005, compared to the previous all-time coal industry low of 28 in 2002. During a period in 1992, from May 27 to July 14, the coal mining industry did not experience any fatal accidents while producing many million tons of coal--a period of rare length in mining history. There were 33 coal fatalities in 2007."

Oh.  That's from a report from MSHA, whose job it is to prevent mining deaths, written by the libby-lib-libral-MSM-lib-lamestream lib Bush Administration, basically bragging about how coal mining deaths are getting less frequent over time.

Can you imagine the right-wing poutrage if windmills tipped over periodically, crushing 20 or 30 people?  And if it happened every year?  And if their defense was that in the 1940s, over a thousand people died that way every year?
 
2013-04-03 02:47:05 PM

AlHarris31: Kuta: I don't hear whales complaining about ultrasound. It's fake.

Actually, Navy sonars and stuff do affect whales.  Whales will relocate if they have to endure much of it.

But yeah whales are attuned to much different frequencies than we are.


The range whales can hear is astounding. Plus the entire front of their head seems designed for sound detection along with a brain that apparently decodes sound into 3D images. Getting hit with Navy sonar must be like someone smashing you in the head with a hammer after they slipped you acid.
 
2013-04-03 02:50:08 PM

MrBallou: JesusJuice: "We think infrasound causes problems in the inner ear and we think wind turbines produce infrasound, but we can't stand up and put our hands on our hearts and say 'Wind turbines cause wind turbine syndrome,'" says Farboud. "The symptoms are just too vague. More research needs to be done."

In other words, "We have no evidence or reason to believe there's any effect, but give us money anyway."

There are people who still won't use cell phones because they're afraid it might cause brain cancer, in spite of many studies showing no causal relationship or even correlation.

It's damn hard to convince some people that specific things do not cause problems because "absence of proof is not proof of absence."


I tried to explain that to someone (well a group of someone's) once, but the ones that refused to even consider that cell phones might not really be causing cancer lacked a fundamental understanding of wireless technology and science in general.  I tried to let this group, and one person in particular, know that standing outside in the sun exposes you to more cancer causing radiation than using a cell phone will.  It doesn't get through.  You end up having to explain the difference between non-ionizing radiation and ionizing radiation, and they just kinda glaze over at that point.  Doesn't help that at 31 I was the second youngest person there, the youngest being my wife who is 29.  I'm just a young whippersnapper, what do I know???

The only funny part is that after the exchange about cell phones causing/not causing cancer, the resident troll on the citizen's group started loudly working with his cell phone, much to this other person's discomfort.  After the meeting, I found out she wears a surgical mask when she's outside, so I've learned a valuable lesson.  Don't try to reason with crazy people.  She was actually out canvasing for a politician with this mask on...

It's actually worse with the smart meters.  People think the Wi-Fi is making them sick.  At its core, it's a walkie talkie that just happens to be stationary and broadcasting at a specific frequency and using protocol that computers can recognize. There are other issues with smart meters (like ease of hacking), but they are not making people sick.

I've gone from being excited to explain the technology to wishing I could file bug reports with creation.
 
2013-04-03 02:53:44 PM

meat0918: Is there a theory that if people know it's all in their head, they'll get cured?



From what I understand, psychological defense mechanisms become useless once the person is aware that the mechanism is in play.  Same goes with placebos. Therefore, I can unabashedly state that I don't know.
Perhaps if they unscrewed a telephone's earpiece, blew on the bottom of it, and swung it over their head to fix the audiosnrf, it would solve the problem.
 
2013-04-03 02:58:31 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Meanwhile, an Exxon pipeline spills all over an Arkansas town, but it's not technically "oil" so they are not liable for any of the damages.  But yeah, let's whinge about whether a wind turbine is causing Vague Wind-Induced Unhappiness Syndrome.


fantastic. this is why I love Fark. the bizarre, non sequitur outrage.

apparently spell-check has a problem with "sequitur". WHERE IS THE SO CALLED "MEDIA" COVERAGE OF THIS BLATANT ATTACK ON WELL-ESTABLISHED LATIN WORDS
 
2013-04-03 02:59:00 PM

meat0918: MrBallou: JesusJuice: "We think infrasound causes problems in the inner ear and we think wind turbines produce infrasound, but we can't stand up and put our hands on our hearts and say 'Wind turbines cause wind turbine syndrome,'" says Farboud. "The symptoms are just too vague. More research needs to be done."

In other words, "We have no evidence or reason to believe there's any effect, but give us money anyway."

There are people who still won't use cell phones because they're afraid it might cause brain cancer, in spite of many studies showing no causal relationship or even correlation.

It's damn hard to convince some people that specific things do not cause problems because "absence of proof is not proof of absence."

I tried to explain that to someone (well a group of someone's) once, but the ones that refused to even consider that cell phones might not really be causing cancer lacked a fundamental understanding of wireless technology and science in general.  I tried to let this group, and one person in particular, know that standing outside in the sun exposes you to more cancer causing radiation than using a cell phone will.  It doesn't get through.  You end up having to explain the difference between non-ionizing radiation and ionizing radiation, and they just kinda glaze over at that point.  Doesn't help that at 31 I was the second youngest person there, the youngest being my wife who is 29.  I'm just a young whippersnapper, what do I know???

The only funny part is that after the exchange about cell phones causing/not causing cancer, the resident troll on the citizen's group started loudly working with his cell phone, much to this other person's discomfort.  After the meeting, I found out she wears a surgical mask when she's outside, so I've learned a valuable lesson.  Don't try to reason with crazy people.  She was actually out canvasing for a politician with this mask on...

It's actually worse with the smart meters.  People think the Wi-Fi is making the ...


I know a person who used a microwave meter to test for leakage from her microwave oven. The reading right in front of the door was the same a background, yet she still insists her children leave the room when the oven is on.

I think there's something about future-shock creating a feeling of helplessness that makes people latch onto fears like this. Of course, I only have a GED in psychology.
 
2013-04-03 03:15:53 PM

MrBallou: I know a person who used a microwave meter to test for leakage from her microwave oven. The reading right in front of the door was the same a background, yet she still insists her children leave the room when the oven is on.

I think there's something about future-shock creating a feeling of helplessness that makes people latch onto fears like this. Of course, I only have a GED in psychology.


Technophobes and luddites.

I know people that litter the ground around their homes and neighborhoods with "orgonite".  One woman that did this (a different woman than before), was ingesting borax (20 Mule Team Borax) to counteract the fluoride poisoning she was getting from the city water.  She was constantly sick, to hear her tell it, so it had to be the fluoride in the city water

Problem was our city DOESN'T FARKING FLUORIDATE!!!  She was slowly poisoning herself with borax.  We called a local charity medical service to stop by her house, since she wasn't ever going to go to a doctor about her symptoms because she was dirt poor as well, and thankfully she stopped with the borax.

And now I get to hear the beginnings of outrage because the local utility companies want to put some wind turbines along the ridge line to help provide power.  And this is on top of the push back they've gotten on smart meters.
 
2013-04-03 03:22:24 PM

FunkOut: AlHarris31: Kuta: I don't hear whales complaining about ultrasound. It's fake.

Actually, Navy sonars and stuff do affect whales.  Whales will relocate if they have to endure much of it.

But yeah whales are attuned to much different frequencies than we are.

The range whales can hear is astounding. Plus the entire front of their head seems designed for sound detection along with a brain that apparently decodes sound into 3D images. Getting hit with Navy sonar must be like someone smashing you in the head with a hammer after they slipped you acid.


A poorly mixed pan-galactic gargleblaster, then?
 
2013-04-03 03:26:59 PM

hockeyfarker: antastic. this is why I love Fark. the bizarre, non sequitur outrage.


Hardly.  The fossil fuel industry wants you to think wind turbines are bad.  They want you to believe they are unhealthy.  Meanwhile, they just destroyed an Arkansas town with a burst pipe and had the law hard-wired to be 0% responsible for the clean-up.

But yeah, better worry about all that wind-cancer you'll get from the turbines.
 
2013-04-03 03:41:41 PM
We should probably replace wind turbines with more ever-so-quiet oil refineries.
 
2013-04-03 03:53:58 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: The fossil fuel industry wants you to think wind turbines are bad.


Around here it is the left wing enviros that want you to think wind turbines are bad.  Of course, they think everything is bad, so they have that going for them.

Not much of a competition with the fossil fuel industry here and we get the same crap from these NIMBYs.
 
2013-04-03 03:57:54 PM

HeadLever: LouDobbsAwaaaay: The fossil fuel industry wants you to think wind turbines are bad.

Around here it is the left wing enviros that want you to think wind turbines are bad.  Of course, they think everything is bad, so they have that going for them.

Not much of a competition with the fossil fuel industry here and we get the same crap from these NIMBYs.


Yeah, it's easy to believe that (oft-mentioned but rarely identified) NIMBYs have the same political power as Exxon-Mobil.  Both sides are bad, so who do I vote for?
 
2013-04-03 04:02:05 PM
Wasn't there an article linked here recently that talked about how "outbreaks" of this condition are uncorroborated to wind turbine construction but strongly correlated to media reports of the condition?

And whenever I encounter someone who still thinks cell phones cause tumors, I am remind of Jerry Stiller in Zoolander.
 
2013-04-03 04:08:03 PM
Damn my phone's autocorrect.  Should read "uncorrelated".
 
2013-04-03 04:08:48 PM

HeadLever: LouDobbsAwaaaay: The fossil fuel industry wants you to think wind turbines are bad.

Around here it is the left wing enviros that want you to think wind turbines are bad.  Of course, they think everything is bad, so they have that going for them.

Not much of a competition with the fossil fuel industry here and we get the same crap from these NIMBYs.


The point is that the fossil fuel industry is funding groups to oppose wind turbines based on half truths and misrepresenting the facts.
 
2013-04-03 04:08:56 PM

Mikey1969: JesusJuice: "We think infrasound causes problems in the inner ear and we think wind turbines produce infrasound, but we can't stand up and put our hands on our hearts and say 'Wind turbines cause wind turbine syndrome,'" says Farboud. "The symptoms are just too vague. More research needs to be done."

In other words, "We have no evidence or reason to believe there's any effect, but give us money anyway."

Well, to be fair, they don't get evidence until they do research. You think that stuff writes itself into the books?That doesn't mean that I believe this bullshiat, but if we followed your attitude, we'd still be bloodletting to cure disease...


Actually, no.  Research is conducted in response to evidence gathered from available data.  For instance, if people living near wind turbines were becoming ill at a greater rate than the general population, that might prompt research into whether a causal relationship exists between wind turbines and illness.

As for bloodletting, it fell out of favor after the rise of the "Numerical Method" in France gradually turned medicine into a scientific endeavor.  Bloodletting fell out of favor because physicians noticed that people who were bled didn't get better faster than those who weren't, in other words in response to evidence.  This evidence prompted research, the aggregate of which caused bloodletting to fall out of favor over the next couple centuries.

There's plenty of available demographic and medical data which could suggest a relationship between wind turbines and illness if such a relationship existed.  In the absence of any evidence beyond anecdotes of senior citizens and professional victims on the internet, research into this make-believe 'wind turbine syndrome' would be a fishing expedition.  There are plenty of scientists conducting research based on actual data who could use the grant money.
 
2013-04-03 04:14:14 PM
One would think that copper bracelets with magnets and crystals would protect you from such things.
 
2013-04-03 04:17:56 PM
WAIT! I've been thinking about this all wrong!

It turns out I've discovered a medical treatment that will cure ALL of the effects of living near wind turbines! It's 100% safe and fast acting. You will of course need to take 10-15 pills a day on my treatment, but the $1000/month treatment works for everyone (cash only please!). Brightly colored and marked with a big "S" to tell you how safe they are. Just look at them!

digitaldeconstruction.com
 
2013-04-03 04:28:57 PM

JesusJuice: Mikey1969: JesusJuice: "We think infrasound causes problems in the inner ear and we think wind turbines produce infrasound, but we can't stand up and put our hands on our hearts and say 'Wind turbines cause wind turbine syndrome,'" says Farboud. "The symptoms are just too vague. More research needs to be done."

In other words, "We have no evidence or reason to believe there's any effect, but give us money anyway."

Well, to be fair, they don't get evidence until they do research. You think that stuff writes itself into the books?That doesn't mean that I believe this bullshiat, but if we followed your attitude, we'd still be bloodletting to cure disease...

Actually, no.  Research is conducted in response to evidence gathered from available data.  For instance, if people living near wind turbines were becoming ill at a greater rate than the general population, that might prompt research into whether a causal relationship exists between wind turbines and illness.

As for bloodletting, it fell out of favor after the rise of the "Numerical Method" in France gradually turned medicine into a scientific endeavor.  Bloodletting fell out of favor because physicians noticed that people who were bled didn't get better faster than those who weren't, in other words in response to evidence.  This evidence prompted research, the aggregate of which caused bloodletting to fall out of favor over the next couple centuries.

There's plenty of available demographic and medical data which could suggest a relationship between wind turbines and illness if such a relationship existed.  In the absence of any evidence beyond anecdotes of senior citizens and professional victims on the internet, research into this make-believe 'wind turbine syndrome' would be a fishing expedition.  There are plenty of scientists conducting research based on actual data who could use the grant money.


Sorry buddy, you're not thinking things through here. They aren't going to know if there's a correlation until they do RESEARCH into the issue.
 
2013-04-03 04:38:41 PM
 
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