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(Gawker)   Gawker issues a brutal takedown of the entitled, butthurt, college-rejected high schooler who got her open letter published by the Wall Street Journal   (gawker.com) divider line 102
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2013-04-03 11:06:09 AM  
13 votes:

ambassador_ahab:   This tells me there must have been something else defective about her application.


Its author.
2013-04-03 11:49:13 AM  
8 votes:
Herbert A. Millington Chair - Search Committee
[CENSORED], Whitson University
College Hill, MA 34109

Dear Professor Millington,

Thank you for your letter of March 16. After careful consideration, I regret to inform you that I am unable to accept your refusal to offer me an assistant professor position in your department.

This year I have been particularly fortunate in receiving an unusually large number of rejection letters. With such a varied and promising field of candidates, it is impossible for me to accept all refusals.

Despite Whitson's outstanding qualifications and previous experience in rejecting applicants, I find that your rejection does not meet my needs at this time. Therefore, I will assume the position of assistant professor in your department this August. I look forward to seeing you then.

Best of luck in rejecting future applicants.

Sincerely,

Chris L. Jensen
2013-04-03 03:18:56 PM  
5 votes:
I just read the gal's original article.  Its clearly intentionally self-effacing and humorous.   And just look at all these people she successfully trolled.  Plus, she got published. Well done.
2013-04-03 03:13:28 PM  
5 votes:
"Just be yourself" is just another way of saying "don't lie."

"Like me, millions of high-school seniors with sour grapes are asking themselves this week how they failed to get into the colleges of their dreams. It's simple: "

Yes, very simple: none of you gave a shiat about getting into the college of your dreams until a day or two before the applications were due.
2013-04-03 03:13:25 PM  
5 votes:
I see a future Republican candidate for Presidency in this youngin.

whiny, envious, entitled, anti charity, anti minorities, anti gay and self serving.
2013-04-03 11:18:31 AM  
5 votes:
I work with great college students on a daily basis. And the person who wrote that drivel is not one, and will probably never be one.
2013-04-03 10:43:16 AM  
5 votes:
Meh.  All I did in High School was go to Phish concerts and get high.  But because I was into music, I studied piano very seriously, and I even (shock) practiced, because I wanted to get better.  And so I got better and had various nice accomplishments to tell colleges about.  My grades were acceptable, but not great, and neither were my SAT scores.

But I got into every single school I applied to, including: University of Chicago, NYU, Northwestern, and most importantly, my 1st choice and alma mater: Oberiln.  Oddly, none of those schools cared that I wasn't top of my class, nor did they care that my SAT score was like 1000 (they used a 1600 scale back in my day.)  This tells me there must have been something else defective about her application.
2013-04-03 04:52:15 PM  
4 votes:
'Be yourself' only works for people who aren't worthless.
2013-04-03 03:25:19 PM  
4 votes:
s17.postimg.org


What high school career counselors won't tell you is this, you CAN get college credit.  College Level Examine Program offers over 33 examines to get college credit and it costs less than community (comedy) college.

http://clep.collegeboard.org/

While other students are trying to get into "their" college you've already got college credits.  The real stink is you can start taking CLEP examines when your 16 years old.

This sh*t is real and I CLEPed college humanities, Freshman English and other non-important stupid arse classes that cost thousands at the big "U".
2013-04-03 03:17:02 PM  
4 votes:
So, you whiny little narcissistic biatch, go to your safety school for two years, actually do something besides get drunk and fark the hockey team, and transfer in to your first choice.

Or did you suicide your first choice because you were unable to conceive of  a world in which your precious little snowflake self be rejected.

This, THIS is what happens when you give too many participation trophies.
2013-04-03 03:07:02 PM  
4 votes:
I don't get all the hate and outrage about this letter. I thought it was funny. If anything the Gawker response author seems to be the bitter, angry, self-important one.
2013-04-03 03:39:03 PM  
3 votes:
Dear whiney-ass biatch:

Please tell us who you are, not who you aren't and then maybe you won't come across as a whiney-ass biatch.

/feel free to move the hyphen one word to the right if it pleases you.
2013-04-03 03:35:14 PM  
3 votes:
....had I known two years ago what I know now, I would have gladly worn a headdress to school. Show me to any closet, and I would've happily come out of it. "Diversity!" I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. If it were up to me, I would've been any of the diversities: Navajo, Pacific Islander, anything. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, I salute you and your 1/32 Cherokee heritage.

Sweetheart, you're a legacy.  That's better than any of those lucky minority things... and you were born into it just like those lucky minorities.

Oh well, I guess you can cry into your trust fund.
2013-04-03 03:25:47 PM  
3 votes:
What's this obsession with getting into extra-selective schools?  If you get good grades you can get into public State U and it'll be much cheaper.  You'll use the same textbooks and learn the same crap, and the school will offer you more scholarships and financial aid.  Learn skills that are actually in demand or benefit society and you'll always have a job.
2013-04-03 03:17:45 PM  
3 votes:
Eh, I see the letter-writer's very bitter point. In this day and age, kids HAVE to go to college or they're almost guaranteed a life of near-poverty. Going to college is the new normal, but colleges still think normal students have no place in their special snowflake universities.
2013-04-03 03:11:45 PM  
3 votes:
FTFA:In fact, the one notorious aspect of college admissions that virtually no one ever praises openly-the preferential treatment given to legacy applicants who are admitted to schools because of familial connections-Suzy Lee Weiss doesn't touch in herWall Street Journal piece.


Perhaps her sister Bari Weiss, a former Wall Street Journal editorial features editor, talked her out of it.


Beautiful.  Someone buy the author a beer.
2013-04-03 03:11:07 PM  
3 votes:
You're a white girl from a privileged background. You didn't have outstanding grades, test scores, didn't have accomplishments in extra-curricular activities or elsewhere outside of school.

And now you didn't get into your first choice dream college. Probably got right into all kinds of good schools, but not the elite college of your dreams.
Clearly, the blame must be placed on affirmative action, and anyone who values diversity. Minorities, gays, etc...  too bad you aren't any of those things. I'm sure your attitude and work ethic would have carried you much further if you had those "advantages", you know, they just give those people things for nothing.

And of course it gets published in the WSJ. Reads like pretty much every other argument against affirmative action or diversity considerations. Scalia will probably cite it in his opinion on  Schuette v. Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action. Hoping it will be in the dissent... but probably won't be.
2013-04-03 03:08:41 PM  
3 votes:
I had no extracurricular activities and never took my SATs and I still got into a respectable college. You know why? I did the smart thing and went to a community college the first 2 yrs. Having a college degree before applying to a larger university makes you look good without having to pump your application with a bunch of BS. No SAT required.
2013-04-03 03:04:20 PM  
3 votes:
Colleges tell you, "Just be yourself." That is great advice, as long as yourself has nine extracurriculars, six leadership positions, three varsity sports, killer SAT scores and two moms. Then by all means, be yourself!

If she had left that part out, Gawker would have left her alone.
2013-04-03 02:44:27 PM  
3 votes:
She tried nothing and now she's fresh out of ideas.

/I deal with kids like her almost every single day.
2013-04-03 02:37:43 PM  
3 votes:
Because everyone knows that if you don't have anything difficult going on in your own life, you should just hop on a plane so you're able to talk about what other people have to deal with.

What a lovely girl she must be.
2013-04-03 02:12:13 PM  
3 votes:

ambassador_ahab: Meh.  All I did in High School was go to Phish concerts and get high.  But because I was into music, I studied piano very seriously, and I even (shock) practiced, because I wanted to get better.  And so I got better and had various nice accomplishments to tell colleges about.  My grades were acceptable, but not great, and neither were my SAT scores.

But I got into every single school I applied to, including: University of Chicago, NYU, Northwestern, and most importantly, my 1st choice and alma mater: Oberiln.  Oddly, none of those schools cared that I wasn't top of my class, nor did they care that my SAT score was like 1000 (they used a 1600 scale back in my day.)  This tells me there must have been something else defective about her application.


WTF? Whose dick did you suck to get into these schools?

A decent piano player and a 1000 SAT will not get you into any of these schools. Unless you went to Julliard or played at Carnegie Hall. Hell, even then you would have had a hard time.
2013-04-03 11:11:35 AM  
3 votes:

FloydA: ambassador_ahab:   This tells me there must have been something else defective about her application.

Its author.


Since the WSJ is on her side, I expect she acted like a privileged little biatch and demanded admittance.
2013-04-03 04:38:24 PM  
2 votes:

nickeyx: Half Right: I don't get all the hate and outrage about this letter. I thought it was funny. If anything the Gawker response author seems to be the bitter, angry, self-important one.

I don't understand why people are so farking butthurt over this. It's satire, not reality.

We get it, you worked hard to get where you are. What the fark makes you so special? We all work hard, get over yourself, you're not special snowflake.

/Starting to wonder who the real snowflakes are in this situation.


Yeah, WSJ doesn't really do satire. Or at least not well.

Also, when the "satire" comes from the privileged class, it's not really satire anymore.
2013-04-03 04:31:46 PM  
2 votes:
I don't really blame her for being mad, but the problem isn't with the school. The schools she was applying to were all for high achievers, and she isn't one. Honestly, she shouldn't have gotten in. She shouldn't have even wanted to apply.

The problem everyone's ignoring is that it is becoming increasingly necessary to go to places like that whether you want to or not, because society in the US is getting increasingly grim for anyone normal. The job prospects and pay rate for someone with a normal degree from an average school are going continuously downhill. It's becoming increasingly necessary to do something special just to reach the middle class - either go to a high-ranked college, or graduate school, or do something else to distinguish yourself. And that's really hard for people without special talents to handle. Yet, what's the alternative? To get washed into the service sector so you can spend your entire life pointlessly pushing the boulder of your student loans up a hill of their interest rate?

So yeah, the problem isn't that we're telling everyone they're exceptional. The problem is that if you aren't exceptional, you're screwed.
2013-04-03 03:31:02 PM  
2 votes:
Let's see. When I was in high school...

I was a peer leader, an eagle scout, an all-state athlete, an all-state musician, a mathlete, a volunteer, an AP student, class salutatorian, tutor, and had a job. I had 12 hour school days thanks to my extra-curriculars, plus 4-6 hours of homework per night. I ended up graduating with enough college credit to classify as a Junior after one semester. I also received full academic scholarships to my top 2 universities. I bled, sweat and cried my way through. If only I had come out in high school, I could have gotten some minority support, but silly me waited until college to do that. Otherwise I was just a middle class, white boy. I worked my damn ass off. This princess needs a reality check. The "participation trophies" end at some point.
2013-04-03 03:30:58 PM  
2 votes:
Holy shiat, that is one entitled little fark of a person. I think she will find that the people that got into their college of choice were just being themselves, they are just better human beings than her. Sure I spent a ridiculous amount of time stoned off my ass in HS, but I also managed to be a straight A student, work a full time job and get kick ass test scores because that is who I am. Hell, even during college I was able to discover myself and switch from a pre-med program to an evolutionary biology major based on who I am.

Her problem is that she feels that being upper middle class should be all she needs, not effort. fark her and her ilk.
2013-04-03 03:27:55 PM  
2 votes:

Amusement: [s17.postimg.org image 304x175]


What high school career counselors won't tell you is this, you CAN get college credit.  College Level Examine Program offers over 33 examines to get college credit and it costs less than community (comedy) college.

http://clep.collegeboard.org/

While other students are trying to get into "their" college you've already got college credits.  The real stink is you can start taking CLEP examines when your 16 years old.

This sh*t is real and I CLEPed college humanities, Freshman English and other non-important stupid arse classes that cost thousands at the big "U".


English isn't that unimportant. You should have paid closer attention.
2013-04-03 03:25:50 PM  
2 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Fano: What about her racist dig at all them undeserving minorities?

Her complaint about universities making a mindless fetish of "diversity" was quite accurate, and the most sensible thing she said in the entire letter.

She also made a valid point about having to find some way to interact with adversity. She's a normal teenager living a bland life, and she doesn't have the resources to fly to another country to see how awful the world really can be.


If only there were some people living in less than ideal circumstances here in the US whom she could assist in some way...
2013-04-03 03:15:06 PM  
2 votes:
Response to Gawker:

Dear Gawker,

You're Gawker.

In your face,
NV
2013-04-03 03:11:08 PM  
2 votes:
Wow what a biatch.
2013-04-03 02:01:55 PM  
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Herbert A. Millington Chair - Search Committee
[CENSORED], Whitson University
College Hill, MA 34109

Dear Professor Millington,

Thank you for your letter of March 16. After careful consideration, I regret to inform you that I am unable to accept your refusal to offer me an assistant professor position in your department.

This year I have been particularly fortunate in receiving an unusually large number of rejection letters. With such a varied and promising field of candidates, it is impossible for me to accept all refusals.

Despite Whitson's outstanding qualifications and previous experience in rejecting applicants, I find that your rejection does not meet my needs at this time. Therefore, I will assume the position of assistant professor in your department this August. I look forward to seeing you then.

Best of luck in rejecting future applicants.

Sincerely,

Chris L. Jensen


I'm going to adapt this for my next job rejection
2013-04-03 01:58:54 PM  
2 votes:
I didn't get into the graduate program I wanted because I didn't have enough research experience.

Which we all know is code for, "He doesn't have any interesting ancestors."

Clearly.
2013-04-03 11:08:57 AM  
2 votes:
Good LORD, that is one seriously whiny-ass biatch.
2013-04-03 11:08:52 AM  
2 votes:
Wow, what a class act this chick is.  Nice sarcasm on the part of Gawker, though.
2013-04-03 11:07:15 AM  
2 votes:

FloydA: Its author.


Lulz.  Yeah, prolly that.
2013-04-04 12:56:02 AM  
1 votes:
Here is why colleges have these entrance boards... they don't want to set their students up for failure. First, it makes them look bad. Second, it does NO favors to the student to enroll in a college where she can't keep up. She will accrue debt, and drop out after getting drunk, used as a cum dumpster by some "nice guy", gaining 20+ lb, falling into a depression, and sleeping in her dorm room instead of going to classes.

Colleges care about your extra curricular activities, because it shows you can handle the stress that comes with time management. Colleges care about volunteerism, because they know that it takes personal commitment to stick with something that has no immediate benefit. Her letter showed a lack of maturity that proved the admission board correct. College resources are finite, she doesn't "deserve" a god damned thing, and got exactly that.
2013-04-04 12:44:19 AM  
1 votes:

Christian Bale: Like me, millions of high-school seniors with sour grapes are asking themselves this week how they failed to get into the colleges of their dreams. It's simple: For years, they-we-were lied to.

Her point isn't that colleges should have accepted her, it's that they mislead students on what they're looking for.


Except, they didn't. No college, when asked "what do I have to do get accepted at your school?" told her, "just be yourself" and then ended there. Those words may have appeared somewhere in their answer, but that was the only thing she took away from the experience.

She wasn't lied to. She paid as much attention to what they were saying as she apparently did to her schoolwork, test scores, and general process of growing up and doing something responsible with her life.
2013-04-04 12:06:54 AM  
1 votes:

i upped my meds-up yours: It's a demand issue. We don't need most of the people we have. They're either going to have to become different people or go off and starve someplace. The market is more important than any one of us. In fact, it's more important than millions of us.


I think the ultimate problem is, we don't need many of the people we have - not in any capacity. Automation has reduced the number of workers we need (or everyone needs to work less) and there isn't a field left that can absorb the glut of overtrained people we have. The 'catch' fields that can expand indefinitely are usually service jobs that get little respect and no money, so they don't count. We really need to do something about this before it results in enough societal unrest to capsize either the government or the economy.
2013-04-03 11:46:30 PM  
1 votes:

meyerkev: Carn: I went to public high school, got good grades (3.95 or something), AP, SAT, lots of extracurricular stuff (not only because I knew it would look good for college, but I liked all the stuff I did) and I got into every school I applied including Notre Dame and Northwestern (Go U!).   I only got to go to Northwestern because they have truly fantastic financial aid and half my tuition was paid by a grant from the school and we didn't have to pay it back.  Not a chance in hell we could have afforded it otherwise.  Oh and I didn't do any charity or start any fake companies or whatever and I spent a fair amount of time with the assistant principal and had me a few suspensions.

Not any more.  My sister applied last year, got in, and didn't get anything (despite looking very poor on paper).  We had some friends get in a few years back and they were sending out little booklets to all the acceptees saying things like: "Take out a second mortgage" and "Ask for your inheritance early"


That's really sad to hear. My Dad grew up pretty poor in Chicago, and Northwestern gave him a full ride through undergrad and, along with the National Health Service Corps, put him through med school. Making good education affordable is such a huge factor in social mobility, and when school is getting so much more expensive...
2013-04-03 11:17:17 PM  
1 votes:
I wrote a Letter to the Editor when I was 14 or so against the death penalty.  Someone actually called my house and started screaming at me how Jesus wanted us to have it and how stupid I was, as I'm standing in shock with the phone to my ear and in a towel (just got out of the shower).

It's all well and good if you put yourself out there that you should expect the f--king crazies and people in general to take you down, especially in this age.  And in this age, that'll stick to you.  It'll show up on Google four years from now.  I heard rants like this from friends in high school who went to their second or third choice schools, and over four years grew the f--k up (most of them anyway).  The better ones maned up, worked their asses off, and transferred to their dream school.  But that doesn't mean there wasn't plenty of grumbling senior year too, and living in Michigan pre-Supreme Court Affirmative Action case there was *plenty*.  (I'm still in favor of economic affirmative action more than racial, but debate for another stupid day).

But maybe an editor at the WSJ could have some f--king discretion. You know, her f--king sister.

Not saying this kid didn't have the rebuttal coming - but 18 or not she's a f--king kid.  As a society, can't we just shake our heads and move on to let her figure this out?

/oh wait, Gawker.
//never f--king mind
///both parties here suck equally I guess, but I'll throw most of my hatred toward the sister-editor.
2013-04-03 10:20:04 PM  
1 votes:
I kinda feel like if it were a guy who wrote this, he'd be getting a lot of pats on the back from the bitter, affirmative-action hating, aspey engineering student demographic.  But it's a girl, so she's just a biatch.
2013-04-03 08:44:19 PM  
1 votes:

Half Right: I don't get all the hate and outrage about this letter. I thought it was funny. If anything the Gawker response author seems to be the bitter, angry, self-important one.


Maybe you have Aspergers?
2013-04-03 08:39:52 PM  
1 votes:
College is largely useless bullshiat.

/i would know, i have a master's
//found her op-ed amusing
2013-04-03 08:39:47 PM  
1 votes:

ajt167: T.rex: I just read the gal's original article.  Its clearly intentionally self-effacing and humorous.   And just look at all these people she successfully trolled.  Plus, she got published. Well done.

Seconded. How are we the only ones that got this?


It wasn't really that funny, for one thing; Poe's Law, for another; and also there are way too many people out there who actually think and act like her. She didn't exaggerate by much. There are a lot of kids out there who are clueless as to why they're not getting into top-tier schools with straight A's but subpar SATs and nothing else on their transcripts; who don't "get" why they need to do extracurricular activities; and who genuinely think that minorities are taking "their" spaces in "their" colleges.

These are the ones who go to community colleges, btw, and negotiate with the instructors about finals--"Can it be 25 questions, multiple-choice, take-home? How many days late can it be and still get full credit? Are we expected to actually participate in class?"--or like the kids (and they were kids) in my law school who took a week off in the middle of bar prep to take a trip to Vegas because they were so stressed (and then didn't pass the bar, gee, who could have seen that one coming).

There have always been lazy, entitled, clueless students who expect to just go to college because they're so special; but it's gotten worse recently. This girl may have thought she was joking, but really she wasn't.
2013-04-03 07:20:23 PM  
1 votes:
"You'd better wise up, Suzy WWWWeeeeeeeiiissssss"
24.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-03 06:44:59 PM  
1 votes:

Mitrovarr: The problem everyone's ignoring is that it is becoming increasingly necessary to go to places like that whether you want to or not, because society in the US is getting increasingly grim for anyone normal. The job prospects and pay rate for someone with a normal degree from an average school are going continuously downhill.


I blame corporate America.  Seriously.

Since when does "Entry Level" mean (aside from a college degree) 2-4 years experience too?
2013-04-03 06:44:42 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: To those claiming that I am bitter-you bet I am! An underachieving selfish teenager making excuses for her own failures? That too! To those of you disgusted by this, shocked that I take for granted the wonderful gifts I have been afforded, I say shhhh-"The Real Housewives" is on.

yikes, it just gets worse.


See, this paragraph is what makes me think it might actually be an (off-target) attempt at satire.
2013-04-03 06:41:39 PM  
1 votes:

thetubameister: But writing that letter was stupid brilliant.


Kid's sister worked for WSJ. Kid's parents' house was featured in WSJ. Kid's "open letter" gets published in WSJ. If she swallows, she'll be the next Mrs. Rupert Murdoch before she turns 21. Or at least his latest mistress. Either way, she'll get her dream job and won't have to do anything except be herself.
2013-04-03 05:52:17 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: FloydA: ambassador_ahab:   This tells me there must have been something else defective about her application.

Its author.

Since the WSJ is on her side, I expect she acted like a privileged little biatch and demanded admittance.


Pretty much. She whined that she didn't have any social activism or charities on her resume, and suggested that those who did had "fake" charities and so on.

What is with conservatives that they think that since they are selfish, everyone else must be?
2013-04-03 05:42:03 PM  
1 votes:
As someone who overachieved in high school and college despite humble origins, this girl's attitude is sad to me. What did she think was going to happen?

Someone else here was right- too many participation trophies.
MFK
2013-04-03 05:39:26 PM  
1 votes:
wow.... the comments on the original WSJ op-ed are just insane - saying how she should view it as a good thing because Ivy League schools are BAD! What in the actual fark is going on where conservatives are shiatting on the best schools because they are some how "librul elitist". and when did the WSJ start catering to people who believe that shiat? I can guarantee that the a pretty sizable chunk of the people who read the WSJ for market information have a Harvard MBA on their wall so what gives?
2013-04-03 05:35:26 PM  
1 votes:

Christian Bale: Like me, millions of high-school seniors with sour grapes are asking themselves this week how they failed to get into the colleges of their dreams. It's simple: For years, they-we-were lied to.

Her point isn't that colleges should have accepted her, it's that they mislead students on what they're looking for.


Yes, because School admission forms and guidelines are just the words "HAVE FUN YOLO" on them.

Schools tell people what they want, and it's no secret the more plusses you have, the better. So do scholarships, jobs, internships, placements etc. People choose to hear what they want to hear and we have an entire generation convincing each other of the dream of you can spend your entire life doing what you enjoy casually as a full-time job, get paid well and live the dream. The alternative is them believing that they have to do a job sometimes because it's a job, whether the love it or just are okay with it, and that involves sacrifice, delayed gratification and work. Guess which reality most people are choosing to believe.

I have an entire crop of friends who are currently deciding between Animation, Fine Art, Fashion Design, Video Game Design, Theatre and every other dream job program scam out there. They're all convinced they can make their casual hobby their breadwinning career, even as all the ones older than them are getting out of school and realizing there's no job waiting for them. It's depressing as hell, because their facebook walls are plastered with inspirational quote about how they can make a living doing whatever they want, and it's the big bad mean adults and education system lying to them.

tl;dr - kids, when faced with a grim reality and a sugar-coated lie, will decide the lie is real.
2013-04-03 05:11:24 PM  
1 votes:

puddleonfire: It's cheaper


this should be one of the most important considerations for a high school kid about to go to college.  it will ruin your first years out of college, and those are the hardest for you professionally.  once you put in 5+ years professionally, no one cares what school you went to.  and for those 5 years, it would be nice not to have 100K+ in loans.
2013-04-03 05:09:49 PM  
1 votes:

AdmirableSnackbar: Teachers get bonuses?  I'll be nice and say that it doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.


The teachers around here haven't even gotten cost-of-living raises for years, let alone bonuses.  There's been a pay freeze since the economy crashed.
2013-04-03 05:00:15 PM  
1 votes:

IRQ12: AdmirableSnackbar: Christian Bale: Like me, millions of high-school seniors with sour grapes are asking themselves this week how they failed to get into the colleges of their dreams. It's simple: For years, they-we-were lied to.

Her point isn't that colleges should have accepted her, it's that they mislead students on what they're looking for.

And she's wrong.  She wasn't lied to, she just didn't understand what they meant.  Fark that, it's not that she didn't understand, it's that she didn't even try to understand.

...and understand one of the simplest concepts in high school:   You join clubs and sports and do charity because it looks good to schools.  Even the druggies that show up to meet up with friends know that shiat, but like her they choose not to.  The only difference is that this person is the perfect example of our entitled, spoiled rotten youth in this country.


THAT is the problem right there. By and large kids are not a part of those activities because they want to be, or contribute to them in any meaningful way but simply because it looks good to schools or they are told they are required to. The motivation behind school is the wrong kind of motivation. Students should be motivated to learn and understand the material. Teachers, should be motivated to teach those materials so that the students learn and understand that material. That isn't the case. Students are motivated to get into a good college. Teachers are motivated by salary bonuses. (I understand I am stereotyping and there are those whom are righteous, but I believe them to be the minority).
2013-04-03 04:58:38 PM  
1 votes:

IRQ12: AdmirableSnackbar: Christian Bale: Like me, millions of high-school seniors with sour grapes are asking themselves this week how they failed to get into the colleges of their dreams. It's simple: For years, they-we-were lied to.

Her point isn't that colleges should have accepted her, it's that they mislead students on what they're looking for.

And she's wrong.  She wasn't lied to, she just didn't understand what they meant.  Fark that, it's not that she didn't understand, it's that she didn't even try to understand.

...and understand one of the simplest concepts in high school:   You join clubs and sports and do charity because it looks good to schools.  Even the druggies that show up to meet up with friends know that shiat, but like her they choose not to.  The only difference is that this person is the perfect example of our entitled, spoiled rotten youth in this country.


Fark that, too.  I did all of those things, and not just because it looks good to schools.  I did them because they interested me.  At my private, elitist high school we were urged (forced, technically, since it was necessary for graduation) to do charity work to make us realize just how bad other people had it - and it worked, too.  But the time to try new things and see new perspectives is when you're young because a) it instills curiosity and a sense of adventure that you keep with you for life, and b) even if it doesn't stick with you, you've got decades to stick yourself in a rut and never experience anything outside of your comfort zone.

Oddly enough, my one regret from high school (other than not partying more, I spent too much time buying into the DARE bullshiat until my senior year) was that I wasn't involved more in the theatre program.  I was on the crew for a play my senior year to fulfill my performance art credit and had a farking blast.  I wished I had known it would be that much fun because it would have given me yet another enjoyable thing to do with my time and would have gladly sacrificed a portion of whatever video game time I had.

This girl couldn't be bothered to push herself at all academically, socially, athletically, or artistically and is now whining about the results of her lack of effort and blaming minorities and gays.  Why am I supposed to feel anything but pity or scorn for her?
2013-04-03 04:57:01 PM  
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Funny, when I was a junior in high-school, I knew EXACTLY what it took to get into my dream college.
2013-04-03 04:33:31 PM  
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reklamfox: I had no extracurricular activities and never took my SATs and I still got into a respectable college. You know why? I did the smart thing and went to a community college the first 2 yrs. Having a college degree before applying to a larger university makes you look good without having to pump your application with a bunch of BS. No SAT required.


Only in America would they have the temerity to call the piece of paper you got in two years from a community college a "degree". In the thinking world, we call that a "two-year diploma".
2013-04-03 04:29:49 PM  
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PiffMan420: My advice: If your local community college is decent, do a year or two knocking off basic graduation requirements. Take your basic English and Math, kick serious ass and then transfer over to the university that would have bounced you as a Freshman. Just be sure that your credits will transfer over


i'd take that a step further- skip at least your senior year of highschool and go to community college. i'm not sure about every state, but NY allows you to do it. I got SUNY credits, only had to be on campus for at most a few hours a day (rather than slowly churning through a normal highschool day) and got excellent core courses taken care of that let me jump into the interesting stuff quicker and allowed me to graduate early (thus saving quite a bit of money) the only odd thing was that i had to take a physical fitness course at the college to satisfy the NYS requirement for highschool physical education.
2013-04-03 04:27:44 PM  
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Rapmaster2000: mrlewish: Does it really matter?  Lets just say this.  If all the lawyers on Earth disappeared, life would go on for the rest of us after a "WTF just happened" disturbance. If all the farmers on Earth disappeared we would all be truly be farked. Guess who society values more.

I'm not sure what society you're aware of, but I'm fairly certain that's farmers.  They make more than lawyers too.


BLS data here.

"Lawyers" (23-1011) averaged $130,880 annual.  If you sort by annual wage, the only categories above "Lawyers" are various flavors of medical doctor, "Chief Executives", petroleum engineers, and architects.

"Farming, Fishing and Forestry Occupations" (45-0000) averaged $24,230 annual.  No sub-group of that averaged more than $46,410 ("First-Line Supervisors of Farming, Fishing, and Forestry Workers").

You're not just wrong, you're hilariously wrong.  I'm guessing you don't know any farmers.  Or you think that executives who own agribusinesses are "farmers".
2013-04-03 04:22:58 PM  
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Like me, millions of high-school seniors with sour grapes are asking themselves this week how they failed to get into the colleges of their dreams. It's simple: For years, they-we-were lied to.

Her point isn't that colleges should have accepted her, it's that they mislead students on what they're looking for.
2013-04-03 04:16:05 PM  
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On the one hand, the kid's getting excoriated for being a whiner.

On the other, she has a point.

When you are young and have not experienced the deep FML that is Life, you might still believe things more "experienced" and world weary people tell you, like the chirpy "Just be yourself!"

People hear that three word lie for everything: finding a date, getting married, joining a club, getting a job, getting into a school, or even just making friends.

I don't blame her for being angry. She's a kid. Someone told her a big big lie. She believed it. She got screwed.

Stop lying to children, folks. Seriously.
2013-04-03 04:15:54 PM  
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WAAAAH, IT'S SO HARD BEING WHITE AND LAZY.
2013-04-03 04:12:26 PM  
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CSB:

Recently had dinner with my nephew, now a college senior at a small bible-based college in Southern California. He complained non-stop about how "affirmative action" kept him out of all the UC schools he applied for - he didn't get into ANY UC school. He went to a church-run school in a small town, and then transferred to a charter school for his last two years of high school. Of course, I asked him what his extra-curricular activities were (no athletics, since neither school had athletic teams), and he gave me three things: he ran marathons, he completed an "intensive" senior project (it was a DVD of an interview with some runner from the 60s) and he belonged to the Bible club. So I asked him what kind of classes did he take - AP? IB? Any honors? Nope, because neither the church school or the charter school offered them. When I pointed out that most of his competition to the UC schools would have taken AP or IB courses, he expressed genuine surprise that the courses he took in high school even mattered. He thought it all would come down to SAT scores and extra activities.

He was pretty surprised to find out that his choice of classes mattered. Or that his competition would be so far ahead of him on the classes that matter scale. He was also pretty surprised to find that because of this, "affirmative action" (as he'd been told by his parents and church) didn't affect his acceptance.

You could almost see the lightbulb going off in his head. It was a Doh! moment for him, poor guy.

//Not poor guy at all - grew up the golden boy at church school and was shocked when that didn't translate to college acceptance.
2013-04-03 03:58:13 PM  
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Thinking back on it, I was involved in a bunch of bullshiat activities whose purpose was to make my college app look good. I mean, in the end I enjoyed some of them but it doesn't change the fact that I probably wouldn't have done them at all if it didn't affect college apps.

Ultimately, the purpose of college is to become educated - in an ideal world, that in and of itself should be enough reason to apply and be accepted.
2013-04-03 03:54:47 PM  
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I'm not sure what people expect to get as a result of whining about not getting unimportant stuff that other people have. I mean, not getting food or housing is a big deal worth whining over.

But not getting into your preferred college isn't Killing Fields-level oppression. It's not even "harassed by your HOA"-level oppression. It's more like "Dammit, they can't get me the Mercedes in silver so I had to settle for gray" oppression. One-percenter problems.
2013-04-03 03:43:42 PM  
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This is what I take away from this...

I don't think anyone could possibly be so shortsighted to think that colleges litterally are ONLY interrested in "being yourself" when referring to possible applicants.  Purhaps they will tell you that in an interview...  But they don't mean for you to just shirk ever piece of resonsibility that would make them accept your application..  That's the opening to her argument.  Then she goes on to cite that, since that's all she needed to do, she did nothing more.  Now it's all the gays and minority's faults for taking a place in colleges she feels she deserves.

Considering how completely absurd that sounds, I'm guessing this is either a hoax, or some sort of satire.  I know th WSJ is supposed to be above such types of stories.  But April 1st did just go by.
2013-04-03 03:43:27 PM  
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WinoRhino: Lesson 1: It doesn't matter where you go, it's what you do while you're there.


I agree with this.  I have classmates in college that did everything from flunk out to become profoundly successful in various fields.  I'm still a work in progress, but I thought I got a fantastic education.  I think it was mainly because I sought out interesting professors, subjects outside of my "comfort zone," and other such things.  I imagine someone could do that at any school, really--there are good professors everywhere if you know where to look.
2013-04-03 03:43:10 PM  
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factoryconnection: Her listed of supposed "required" attributes were a mere one varsity letter higher than my resume coming out of HS.  I had this odd sense at that age that I had to apply myself to stand out.  Thank you, parents for lighting a fire under me.

If her rich parents never made her get off her ass and be anything more than a FB surfer, then yeah they get plenty of blame, too.  They do have nice taste in home design, I'll give them that.


I don't blame them much.  A bit, but not much.  The kid is clearly an spoiled little biatch who couldn't get in to her school of choice because she apparently -- going by her mocking of the SATs -- had weak test scores and no interest in anything other than being a spoiled little biatch.

"Yeah, that black kid had better SAT scores and a 4.0 and raised his sister on his own after his mom died by working two jobs, but Harvard just let him in because of affirmative action!  It's not fair!"
2013-04-03 03:37:26 PM  
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I had a less-than-stellar high school career. When I was accepted to a no-name college with a small scholarship, my guidance counselor said, "How'd you manage that?"

I signed up for a research project one of my psych professors was doing during my junior year (just for the hell of it). I ended up writing some of the resulting papers with him in conjunction with another professor from Harvard. It was published and even now appears in a psych textbook. I presented it to the APA at a conference at the end of my senior year. I graduated with honors in psychology.

That was 20 years ago. I now work in technology as a network administrator.

Lesson 1: It doesn't matter where you go, it's what you do while you're there.
Lesson 2: That might not even matter in the long run.
2013-04-03 03:35:08 PM  
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namegoeshere: Wow what a biatch.


I still stand by "lazy biatch"
2013-04-03 03:32:56 PM  
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dbug.kicks-ass.net
2013-04-03 03:31:19 PM  
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Mike Chewbacca: Amusement: [s17.postimg.org image 304x175]


What high school career counselors won't tell you is this, you CAN get college credit.  College Level Examine Program offers over 33 examines to get college credit and it costs less than community (comedy) college.

http://clep.collegeboard.org/

While other students are trying to get into "their" college you've already got college credits.  The real stink is you can start taking CLEP examines when your 16 years old.

This sh*t is real and I CLEPed college humanities, Freshman English and other non-important stupid arse classes that cost thousands at the big "U".

English isn't that unimportant. You should have paid closer attention.


You sound like someone who has a liberal arts degree.
2013-04-03 03:29:29 PM  
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Colleges tell you, "Just be yourself." That is great advice, as long as yourself has nine extracurriculars, six leadership positions, three varsity sports, killer SAT scores and two moms. Then by all means, be yourself!

Suzy, it sounds like yourself isn't good enough.  What this statement really means is to just be yourself because you won't be happy or successful trying to be someone else.

Similarly, we tell dorky, nice guys to just be yourself to attract women because we know it will get them a good fit.   It won't get them Kate Upton no matter how many lame date requests you send her on Youtube of you just being yourself.  "You" just aren't good enough.

That's life.
2013-04-03 03:26:38 PM  
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Mike Chewbacca: Eh, I see the letter-writer's very bitter point. In this day and age, kids HAVE to go to college or they're almost guaranteed a life of near-poverty. Going to college is the new normal, but colleges still think normal students have no place in their special snowflake universities.


It isn't that they think normal students have no place, it's that they can fill their schools with high-achieving kids.   That's because 90% of modern suburban children are checking off boxes towards their college applications from the time they are in diapers.  Literally.  I live in one of the snobbiest 'progressive' enclaves outside of California -- North Arlington, VA.  You may or may not be shocked to hear the discussions the parents of North Arlington regularly have about the academic rigor of their HALF-DAY PRE-SCHOOL programs. Or the politics of which pre-school teacher they are going to be assigned.

Because how the kid does in half-day will impact how they do in full day.  Which will impact what Kindergarten they go to and how they do there.  And that impacts the next level.  On and on ad nauseum, until you have kids in Huntington learning centers for enrichment activities on their summer break instead of riding bikes around the neighborhood.

It's all because internet-addicted parents, who in many cases were part of the early trophy generation themselves, are deathly afraid that if they leave their kids with unstructured time they'll turn out like the author of this letter.   And this letter will only give them new-found confirmation that they are failures if they don't schedule every free hour of their kids' days.  If their kid doesn't get into Harvard, they don't get a parenting trophy.  And they want a parenting trophy.

It's like a giant circle of over-educated parent derp.  But the result is the colleges get more over-schooled applicants than they need, and the less talented (on paper) end up with tougher choices on where to go to college.
2013-04-03 03:24:56 PM  
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Gabrielmot: abhorrent1: Poor girl. Probably can't even be a stripper.

can't wait to see *that* rejection letter...


Gabrielmot: abhorrent1: Poor girl. Probably can't even be a stripper.

can't wait to see *that* rejection letter...


Dear Suzy,

No.  Not even on the first shift.

(sad trombone)
2013-04-03 03:24:22 PM  
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FTFA: I bet if I'd had great SAT scores, they would have accepted me.

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2013-04-03 03:24:05 PM  
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You're boring and you squandered the early best years of your life doing nothing of relevance.

So by being yourself college's were able to discern that you would be bringing your lazy-arse whitebread mindset of doing the bare-minimum to their campus.

Surprisingly, they didn't want you.  They wanted interesting people.  People who did things.  People who had done something they had been proud of rather than just show up.  People who gave a shiat about something other than just getting in.
2013-04-03 03:21:58 PM  
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Cry moar noob, your tears are delicious.
2013-04-03 03:20:13 PM  
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Fano: What about her racist dig at all them undeserving minorities?


Her complaint about universities making a mindless fetish of "diversity" was quite accurate, and the most sensible thing she said in the entire letter.
2013-04-03 03:19:48 PM  
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GAT_00: FloydA: ambassador_ahab:   This tells me there must have been something else defective about her application.

Its author.

Since the WSJ is on her side, I expect she acted like a privileged little biatch and demanded admittance.


She sounds like a typical loser Republican, blaming everyone else for their faults. No wonder the WSJ supports her.
2013-04-03 03:19:47 PM  
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Her letter is hilarious. I like the cut of her jib.
2013-04-03 03:19:27 PM  
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Cluckity: Maybe she could get a job trolling Fark.

This country needs more pageviews if the economy is ever gonna recover.


FTFM. Forgive my typos. I never had the opportunity to go to the college of my dreams.
2013-04-03 03:19:22 PM  
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lennavan: "Just be yourself" is just another way of saying "don't lie."

"Like me, millions of high-school seniors with sour grapes are asking themselves this week how they failed to get into the colleges of their dreams. It's simple: "

Yes, very simple: none of you gave a shiat about getting into the college of your dreams until a day or two before the applications were due.


Bingo.  This is a perfect example of what happens when a student coasts comfortably through high school with the assumption that "Why, of course I'll get into whichever college I want.  It's pretty much a foregone conclusion!"
2013-04-03 03:17:21 PM  
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I bet if I'd had great SAT scores, they would have accepted me.

I never would have thought colleges and universities would tend to accept students with great SAT scores.

Her letter really opened my eyes.

Of course, they're rolling, but still.
2013-04-03 03:17:03 PM  
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What a horrible person.
2013-04-03 03:15:06 PM  
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The advice of "just be yourself" is good advice. It works. In her case, she was herself - a lazy, self-absorbed, brat. And the school clearly decided that isn't the kind of person they want.

This whole thing reinforces my faith in education. Idiots get pushed aside, intelligent people get ahead. You don't want to work hard, fine, do not expect to go far.
2013-04-03 03:14:49 PM  
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The Muthaship: Colleges tell you, "Just be yourself." That is great advice, as long as yourself has nine extracurriculars, six leadership positions, three varsity sports, killer SAT scores and two moms. Then by all means, be yourself!

If she had left that part out, Gawker would have left her alone.


What about her racist dig at all them undeserving minorities?
2013-04-03 03:14:04 PM  
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Back in the day you could get into a lot of good schools with a SAT of just over 1000 (different max), with ok school grades, like a B avg. It also wasn't almost 40K a year for good frickin state schools.
2013-04-03 03:13:48 PM  
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Interesting how we rate ourselves on what job we do or what school we went to.

All concerned sides are full of whiny self entitles biatches.

To treat you like a human being I don't have to give a damn what school you went to, or what fancy job titles you have, or who you are or who you know.
2013-04-03 03:12:14 PM  
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abhorrent1: Poor girl. Probably can't even be a stripper.


Unclear.  We need pics to evaluate this.  Surely they exist, given what a raging attention whore she seems to be.
2013-04-03 03:11:33 PM  
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The WSJ article reads more like what a WSJ writer believes modern college admissions are composed of, and how they think "kids today" would respond to it.

"Strawman farking straw chicken," I believe it's called.
2013-04-03 03:09:21 PM  
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My gpa was so bad in HS the college advisor laughed her ass off when I asked what my options were. I did pretty well on my SATs but to this day I imagine someone with the same name as I died during the admission process and they accidentally accepted me.
2013-04-03 03:06:42 PM  
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I vote for the girl in the Journal.  She was hilarious.
jvl
2013-04-03 03:04:46 PM  
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So I finally read the piece by the kid in the Journal.

That was funny, not whiny. It was almost Fark-good.
2013-04-03 02:54:14 PM  
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zobear: She tried nothing and now she's fresh out of ideas.

/I deal with kids like her almost every single day.


Literal LOL.
2013-04-03 02:36:56 PM  
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Oh goddammit. Shut the f*ck up.
2013-04-03 02:27:45 PM  
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Her listed of supposed "required" attributes were a mere one varsity letter higher than my resume coming out of HS.  I had this odd sense at that age that I had to apply myself to stand out.  Thank you, parents for lighting a fire under me.

If her rich parents never made her get off her ass and be anything more than a FB surfer, then yeah they get plenty of blame, too.  They do have nice taste in home design, I'll give them that.
2013-04-03 02:15:12 PM  
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GAT_00: unlikely: ambassador_ahab: GAT_00: I expect she acted like a privileged little biatch and demanded admittance.

She should have tried the "I kind of suck and you probably shouldn't admit me, but just in case..."


I did that for a couple of grad programs and got admission letters from places I couldn't afford.
Sucks to be me I guess.

Harvard realized this long ago: if you only take the best, the suicide rate is prohibitively high.  So take some average students with good extracurriculars who also have the balls to apply to Harvard with anything below a 4.0.  They'll happily take average grades, and some of them perform very well in college environments.

Of course, this is less true these days I think because nobody really curves.


The one that blew my mind was when my "open application" to Oxford got me offers from Trinity and Queen's. I didn't apply to Harvard... probably should have, in retrospect. :-)
2013-04-03 02:00:32 PM  
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I went to engineering school, where being able to write a coherent essay of any sort is usually good enough to get you admitted.
2013-04-03 01:59:31 PM  
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unlikely: ambassador_ahab: GAT_00: I expect she acted like a privileged little biatch and demanded admittance.

She should have tried the "I kind of suck and you probably shouldn't admit me, but just in case..."


I did that for a couple of grad programs and got admission letters from places I couldn't afford.
Sucks to be me I guess.


Harvard realized this long ago: if you only take the best, the suicide rate is prohibitively high.  So take some average students with good extracurriculars who also have the balls to apply to Harvard with anything below a 4.0.  They'll happily take average grades, and some of them perform very well in college environments.

Of course, this is less true these days I think because nobody really curves.
 
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