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(The Atlantic Wire)   Jonah Goldberg complains bitterly about all the moochers filing for Social Security disability, but an analysis of the data shows the people most likely to file for it are a group called "Republicans"   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 167
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2013-04-03 09:54:35 AM  
Well obviously. I mean the people most likely to need to collect disability are the ones who get hurt . The ones more likely to get hurt are the ones who work.....


study it out
 
2013-04-03 10:39:41 AM  
whiny little limpdick limberger wannabe.
 
2013-04-03 11:11:59 AM  
Jonah Goldberg needs to fark off and die once and for all.

Useless, two digit IQ fat farking twat who might be the only person on the face of the earth stupider than Sean Hannity.
 
2013-04-03 11:36:19 AM  
 
2013-04-03 01:31:53 PM  
Jonah Goldberg whines incessantly.
Negativity is all conservatives have.
 
2013-04-03 01:32:35 PM  
He says some really stupid things sometimes, but you can't really hate him wonderfully complex machines.
 
2013-04-03 01:38:41 PM  

Giltric: Well obviously. I mean the people most likely to need to collect disability are the ones who get hurt . The ones more likely to get hurt are the ones who work.....


study it out


The logical conclusion: people on disability aren't moochers after all, and Goldberg is a moron.
 
2013-04-03 01:44:23 PM  
 
2013-04-03 01:45:30 PM  
And as the National Institutes of Health and the CDC would remind us, older people are more likely to suffer from disabilities. Going back to Goldberg:

Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute and the Harvard School of Public Health notes in his recent book "A Nation of Takers: America's Entitlement Epidemic" that 29% of the 8.6 million Americans who received Social Security disability benefits at the end of 2011 cited injuries involving the "musculoskeletal system and the connective tissue."

That's called arthritis.


I looked it up:

Arthritis is inflammation of one or more joints. A joint is the area where two bones meet. There are over 100 different types of arthritis.

I am amused at his anger.

But more importantly:

Go back to that first graph. Notice when the big application spike happened - 2009 or 2010. Now, subtract 65 from that number. 2010 minus 65 years equals 1945. The year the Second World War ended. And the year that the baby boom began in earnest.

America's population has gotten steadily older. Here's the population distribution from the censuses of 1990, 2000, and 2010. That bump that's moving slowly to the right is the baby boom. (It's getting smaller as more Boomers die off.)


Older white people tend to vote GOP. You really can't blame them. They get older, become a bit more fragile, afraid of getting hurt, afraid of change. Where I get steamed when they think their fragility and fear should be made policy and law and they let themselves be lied to (I am thinking Sheriff Joe Arpaio, here).
 
2013-04-03 01:50:04 PM  
Just like his daughter's abortion, his son's oxycontin addiction, his wife's DUI and that time he got caught playing "Rotisserie Chicken" with two Dan Haggerty lookalikes in a Grand Island, Nebraska truck stop bathroom, a True Conservative knows the difference between a filthy liberal who needs to be made an example of and a Good Man who made an honest mistake and already been forgiven by Jesus.
 
2013-04-03 01:51:00 PM  
This is the basic reality of the GOP today - a party and movement ideologically committed to reforms that their voting base hates, which forces them to posture loudly and never actually do what they want, but rather try to force the Democrats to do for them. That way they can proclaim loudly that they want X to be cut, and then blame the Democrats for cutting X in the next election.
 
2013-04-03 02:05:45 PM  

DamnYankees: This is the basic reality of the GOP today - a party and movement ideologically committed to reforms that their voting base hates, which forces them to posture loudly and never actually do what they want, but rather try to force the Democrats to do for them. That way they can proclaim loudly that they want X to be cut, and then blame the Democrats for cutting X in the next election.


In the meantime, X actually does need to be cut, but the gutless pandering scumbags of both parties lack the balls to do it. So I guess I'm agreeing with you.
 
2013-04-03 02:06:07 PM  
Bless his poor dear sweet heart, but he tries so very hard...
 
2013-04-03 02:06:40 PM  
What's funny is that if you gut SS and disability, it will just push those same people further to the right.
 
2013-04-03 02:07:14 PM  
Wasteful spending = Spending that helps people I dislike
 
2013-04-03 02:07:16 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: DamnYankees: This is the basic reality of the GOP today - a party and movement ideologically committed to reforms that their voting base hates, which forces them to posture loudly and never actually do what they want, but rather try to force the Democrats to do for them. That way they can proclaim loudly that they want X to be cut, and then blame the Democrats for cutting X in the next election.

In the meantime, X actually does need to be cut, but the gutless pandering scumbags of both parties lack the balls to do it. So I guess I'm agreeing with you.


Yeah, X should probably be cut in half.  We could get by on lowercase v.
 
2013-04-03 02:08:49 PM  

Giltric: Well obviously. I mean the people most likely to need to collect disability are the ones who get hurt . The ones more likely to get hurt are the ones who work.....


study it out


The ones who are most likely to get hurt are those who work in under regulated industries, it is obvious that to prevent more people from needing disability we need to increase regulation on businesses and increase the penalties for violating those regulations.

study it out.
 
2013-04-03 02:09:08 PM  
So that explains all the Freepers...
 
2013-04-03 02:09:18 PM  
3 issues influencing this "problem" if you wish to call it that.

1) aging population

2) medical technology resulting in those who would have died in previous generations being in an unable to work state

3) good steady wages being so hard to find that some choose steady poverty over bouncing in and out of part time minimum wage work
 
2013-04-03 02:09:38 PM  

I will never get tired of posting this in Jonah Goldberg threads.


i78.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-03 02:10:04 PM  
Why do we still link to anything written by this blowhard?

If you gave this guy an enema you could stuff him into a matchbox.
 
2013-04-03 02:10:11 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


"He aspires to be taken seriously as a public intellectual, but he is the world's laziest thinker."

Ouch
 
2013-04-03 02:10:18 PM  
How dare you try to assert that facts are true.  Republicans know everything better than you limp-scienced reality-based Dumbocrats.
 
2013-04-03 02:10:19 PM  
Jonah Goldberg should have never been allowed to write again after creating Allen Gregory.
 
2013-04-03 02:10:38 PM  
Notice when the big application spike happened - 2009 or 2010. Now, subtract 65 from that number. 2010 minus 65 years equals 1945.

The entire article is based on the fact that older people, who are more likely to be Republican, are applying for and receiving Social Security disability. However, to receive disability benefits you must be under the age of 65. It appears the author is confusing Social Security disability benefits with regular Social Security retirement benefits.
 
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2013-04-03 02:11:03 PM  

Giltric: Well obviously. I mean the people most likely to need to collect disability are the ones who get hurt . The ones more likely to get hurt are the ones who work.....


On the job injury from working too hard.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-03 02:11:19 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: DamnYankees: This is the basic reality of the GOP today - a party and movement ideologically committed to reforms that their voting base hates, which forces them to posture loudly and never actually do what they want, but rather try to force the Democrats to do for them. That way they can proclaim loudly that they want X to be cut, and then blame the Democrats for cutting X in the next election.

In the meantime, X actually does need to be cut, but the gutless pandering scumbags of both parties lack the balls to do it. So I guess I'm agreeing with you.


I am certain you would have the balls to eliminate Social Security Disability in it's entirety.
 
2013-04-03 02:11:50 PM  
Has this farkwit ever been right about ANYTHING?  Ever?
 
2013-04-03 02:12:41 PM  
They know that, that is why they're Medicare "fixes" preserve the program for those 55+ and then fundamentally changes the program from a guarantee to vouchers but retains the name Medicare.
 
2013-04-03 02:13:00 PM  
Wow, what an embarrassing blog post. He never even addresses goldbergs main point, that the percentage of those 18-64 on disability today is over 8.5x higher than in 1960.

He did use "spettle flecked", though, so you know he's legit.
 
2013-04-03 02:13:51 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Has this farkwit ever been right about ANYTHING?  Ever?


It's just so f*cking sad that this sort of tripe gets any kind of attention at all. Ridicule is too good for this schmuck.
 
2013-04-03 02:14:57 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Wow, what an embarrassing blog post. He never even addresses goldbergs main point, that the percentage of those 18-64 on disability today is over 8.5x higher than in 1960.

He did use "spettle flecked", though, so you know he's legit.


What could have happened to American working conditions that would cause this rise in disability payments?
 
2013-04-03 02:14:57 PM  
I have an ex-uncle who is a total mooch. In fact, that's why my aunt divorced him: she was tired of supporting his unemployed ass. And suddenly now that his gravy train has ended, he's trying to get on permanent disability. He hates socialism, but it's not socialism when he does it.

Meanwhile, my awesome uncle who was a class act and gentle soul just committed suicide because his back pain (from 30 years of lifting patients) and face pain (caused by an artery rubbing up against the nerves in his neck) was too much to bear.

There is no justice in the world.
 
2013-04-03 02:15:18 PM  
The last time Jonah Goldberg did any hard work, he won a swimming race to fertilize his mom.
 
2013-04-03 02:16:31 PM  

Nadie_AZ: And as the National Institutes of Health and the CDC would remind us, older people are more likely to suffer from disabilities. Going back to Goldberg:

Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute and the Harvard School of Public Health notes in his recent book "A Nation of Takers: America's Entitlement Epidemic" that 29% of the 8.6 million Americans who received Social Security disability benefits at the end of 2011 cited injuries involving the "musculoskeletal system and the connective tissue."

That's called arthritis.

I looked it up:

Arthritis is inflammation of one or more joints. A joint is the area where two bones meet. There are over 100 different types of arthritis.

I am amused at his anger.

But more importantly:

Go back to that first graph. Notice when the big application spike happened - 2009 or 2010. Now, subtract 65 from that number. 2010 minus 65 years equals 1945. The year the Second World War ended. And the year that the baby boom began in earnest.

America's population has gotten steadily older. Here's the population distribution from the censuses of 1990, 2000, and 2010. That bump that's moving slowly to the right is the baby boom. (It's getting smaller as more Boomers die off.)

Older white people tend to vote GOP. You really can't blame them. They get older, become a bit more fragile, afraid of getting hurt, afraid of change. Where I get steamed when they think their fragility and fear should be made policy and law and they let themselves be lied to (I am thinking Sheriff Joe Arpaio, here).


Personally I'm hopinh that getting older doesn't make people vote Republican more. I like to think it's because the older people now grew up in a world that was less open to other cultures. They grew up with no Internet. They grew up with white and colored water fountains. They grew up watching all-white baseball teams. Intterracial marriages and gay marriages were completely taboo.

I'm hoping that the old people of the future are represented in similar numbers to the young people of today. I hope that their new beliefs and open attitudes towards gay marriage, civil rights, pollution, peace vs. war, etc. do not disappear somehow when they turn 60 or 70 or 80.

I hope we have a new future that isn't so full of hate.
 
2013-04-03 02:16:56 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: I have an ex-uncle who is a total mooch. In fact, that's why my aunt divorced him: she was tired of supporting his unemployed ass. And suddenly now that his gravy train has ended, he's trying to get on permanent disability. He hates socialism, but it's not socialism when he does it.

Meanwhile, my awesome uncle who was a class act and gentle soul just committed suicide because his back pain (from 30 years of lifting patients) and face pain (caused by an artery rubbing up against the nerves in his neck) was too much to bear.

There is no justice in the world.


If only we had some kind of widely available drug to alleviate pain without the DEA crawling up your ass about it.

/my condolences
 
2013-04-03 02:17:24 PM  

vpb: Giltric: Well obviously. I mean the people most likely to need to collect disability are the ones who get hurt . The ones more likely to get hurt are the ones who work.....

On the job injury from working too hard.


[2.bp.blogspot.com image 470x350]


What you don't know is that man is a former food critic for a prominent American newspaper. Stupid lib!
 
2013-04-03 02:18:12 PM  

meat0918: Debeo Summa Credo: Wow, what an embarrassing blog post. He never even addresses goldbergs main point, that the percentage of those 18-64 on disability today is over 8.5x higher than in 1960.

He did use "spettle flecked", though, so you know he's legit.

What could have happened to American working conditions that would cause this rise in disability payments?


Seriously?

Continual transition from industrial to a less dangerous service economy?

Creation of OSHA in 1970?
 
2013-04-03 02:18:31 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Wow, what an embarrassing blog post. He never even addresses goldbergs main point, that the percentage of those 18-64 on disability today is over 8.5x higher than in 1960.

He did use "spettle flecked", though, so you know he's legit.


You didn't read the article did you?  He addressed it.  64 year olds make up a much greater chunk of the 18-64 population now than in 1960.  You have to take that into account to get a valid statistical.
 
2013-04-03 02:18:45 PM  
Sure, but these people truly need and deserve their disability checks. It's the lazy ass liberals that are the moochers.
 
2013-04-03 02:19:11 PM  
I'm glad someone is willing to stand up to those bastards at OSHA.
 
2013-04-03 02:20:38 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: meat0918: Debeo Summa Credo: Wow, what an embarrassing blog post. He never even addresses goldbergs main point, that the percentage of those 18-64 on disability today is over 8.5x higher than in 1960.

He did use "spettle flecked", though, so you know he's legit.

What could have happened to American working conditions that would cause this rise in disability payments?

Seriously?

Continual transition from industrial to a less dangerous service economy?

Creation of OSHA in 1970?


Better diagnosis and recognition of disabilities, particular those of a mental variety?
 
2013-04-03 02:22:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Mike Chewbacca: I have an ex-uncle who is a total mooch. In fact, that's why my aunt divorced him: she was tired of supporting his unemployed ass. And suddenly now that his gravy train has ended, he's trying to get on permanent disability. He hates socialism, but it's not socialism when he does it.

Meanwhile, my awesome uncle who was a class act and gentle soul just committed suicide because his back pain (from 30 years of lifting patients) and face pain (caused by an artery rubbing up against the nerves in his neck) was too much to bear.

There is no justice in the world.

If only we had some kind of widely available drug to alleviate pain without the DEA crawling up your ass about it.

/my condolences


He used it, legality be damned. It helped for a long while with his back, but when he developed trigeminal nueralgia (the face pain) three or four years ago, it wasn't enough. I used to call him my hippy uncle, which is funny because he lived in Texas. He even had an IMPEACH CHENEY bumper sticker, like he was daring his neighbors to start something. He's the one aunt/uncle I actually had anything in common with, and the only one I had a real relationship with.
 
2013-04-03 02:22:31 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: He never even addresses goldbergs main point, that the percentage of those 18-64 on disability today is over 8.5x higher than in 1960.


Yawn

Yawn again

All that despite the fact that Goldberg just arbitrarily threw a number at the reader with no real backing or context....
 
2013-04-03 02:22:49 PM  
Maybe the bluehaired redstaters think that everyone in "them liberal big cities" does the same thing they do - game the everloving fark out of the system.

// bless their cholesterol-encrusted, football-sized hearts
 
2013-04-03 02:24:18 PM  

Giltric: Well obviously. I mean the people most likely to need to collect disability are the ones who get hurt . The ones more likely to get hurt are the ones who work.....


study it out


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LIBERAL WITH A JOB
 
2013-04-03 02:24:21 PM  
Here's the key data, as


In 1960, when vastly more Americans were involved in physical labor of some kind, 0.65% of workforce participants between the ages of 18 and 64 were receiving Social Security disability insurance payments. Fifty years later, in a much healthier America that number has grown to 5.6%.
If this guy looks in the mirror and convinces himself he lives in a healthier America instead of thinking that he'd make a decent poster boy for the obesity epidemic there's not much more I need to know about him to dismiss his opinions.
 
2013-04-03 02:25:05 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: meat0918: Debeo Summa Credo: Wow, what an embarrassing blog post. He never even addresses goldbergs main point, that the percentage of those 18-64 on disability today is over 8.5x higher than in 1960.

He did use "spettle flecked", though, so you know he's legit.

What could have happened to American working conditions that would cause this rise in disability payments?

Seriously?

Continual transition from industrial to a less dangerous service economy?

Creation of OSHA in 1970?


And yet, when I go to a job site, I get dirty looks from a customer's employees (and some coworkers) when I insist we lock out a machine before I go crawling around on it.
 
2013-04-03 02:25:55 PM  

skozlaw: Debeo Summa Credo: He never even addresses goldbergs main point, that the percentage of those 18-64 on disability today is over 8.5x higher than in 1960.

Yawn

Yawn again

All that despite the fact that Goldberg just arbitrarily threw a number at the reader with no real backing or context....


Oh, btw, the tl;dr summary is a two point argument:

1. In 1984 the qualification requirements were substantially loosened to provide additional focus on reported pain and discomfort versus actual mechanical injury

2. As wages stagnated beginning in the 70s and through the 80s and 90s the value proposition changed so that it became more economically sensible for a person to claim meager disability benefits when injured instead of trying to work through injuries for barely any more money.

But, no, I'm sure Goldberg has some sort of point other than the one on top of his head.
 
2013-04-03 02:26:50 PM  
This American Life did a pretty extensive look into the topic recently, and there are a lot of reasons for it...

a)  States do everything in their power to shift people from welfare onto disability, because they have to cover welfare liabilities while the federal government is solely responsible for covering disability.   Then they can claim they've balanced the budget and saved the taxpayer money and that Washington has the spending problem.   The massive welfare reform acts of the 90s under Clinton means people just got transferred from welfare and onto disability.

b)  There is an entire industry, particularly lawyers, who specialize in getting people qualified for disability even (especially) if they've been denied in the past.

c)     "Modernization" of the workforce has skipped huge swaths of the country.   For these areas of the country, the only jobs available are ones that require physical exertion and manual labor.   People living in these areas with chronic pain or physical impairments can't just move over to a deskjob sitting in a cushy chair.

Here's the podcast.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/490/trends-wi th -benefits
 
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