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(The Atlantic Wire)   2% of Obama supporters and 5% of Romney supporters walked into the voting booth just hoping to see the right lizard elected   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 65
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2013-04-03 10:21:00 AM  
Most of those are tin-foil hat notions, but "Aliens exist" should not be conflated with the notion that "Aliens exist and anally probe people in advance of an invasion".
 
2013-04-03 10:31:51 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Most of those are tin-foil hat notions, but "Aliens exist" should not be conflated with the notion that "Aliens exist and anally probe people in advance of an invasion".


And the question was simply "Do you believe aliens exist, or not?" Frankly, that number is terrifyingly low. 47% of people think aliens do not exist? Earth is the only place in the entire universe with any life on it whatsoever? Now I agree with you that most people when asked that question are thinking it means "intelligent, space-faring aliens exist and have visited Earth" and not "a young planet in the Goldilocks zone of its star 180,000 light years away has managed to cultivate plant life" but still.
 
2013-04-03 10:39:39 AM  
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Don't blame me I voted for Kodos.
 
2013-04-03 10:40:10 AM  
The government controls minds is higher than the CIA developed crack?
 
2013-04-03 10:40:31 AM  
I get what you guys are saying but the vast majority of these folks aren't answering yes to "aliens exist in the universe" but rather "aliens are visting us and abducting people".

Yesterday there was a thread about sleep paralysis and how it usually brings in a feeling of dread like somebody is in the room and often sexual feelings.  It is plainly obvious that all these abudction stories are episodes of sleep paralysis, normal crazy type hallucinations, or hoaxes.

Lizard people? That seems like such a random delusion.
 
2013-04-03 10:40:45 AM  
Poorly written survey sucks. Still, people love a good story, and conspiracy theories are great stories.

I wonder how many conspiracy theorists follow their theories based on Simpsons episodes. Or, better, Arrested Development eps.
 
2013-04-03 10:42:10 AM  
Do you think they were involved in the Kenedy assasination somehow?

I do...now...
 
2013-04-03 10:43:55 AM  
I liked the one about the CIA developing crack. Don't really think they did, but at the same time it wouldn't surprise me.
 
2013-04-03 10:44:29 AM  
Obey, consume, conform, sleep.
 
2013-04-03 10:46:48 AM  
So the fact that we were intentionally misled about Iraq WMD's is a conspiracy?
 
2013-04-03 10:48:14 AM  

nocturnal001: Lizard people? That seems like such a random delusion.


That is what the government wants you to think.
 
2013-04-03 10:50:05 AM  
I'm not going to go into which ones of those I fully believe, as opposed to which ones are, in the parlance of our brightest scientific minds, merely "plausible" or "busted", but I was reminded once again of a fundamental flaw in the way the human brain is wired:

While I was reading the list, when I stumbled across one of those theories that I happen to think there's at least some truth to, my first thought was "well, even though the REST of these are obviously false, the one I believe has no place on this list. Anyone who's given it a moment's thought would come to the same conclusion!"

Because if I believe it, it's obviously not a wacko conspiracy theory.
 
2013-04-03 10:50:57 AM  
Bush intentionally misled America about Iraq's WMD

Hardly comperable to doubting the farking moon landing.
 
2013-04-03 10:52:09 AM  

Muta: nocturnal001: Lizard people? That seems like such a random delusion.

That is what the government wants you to think.


I used to believe in them until the government changed my mind.  (I watch a lot of tv).
 
2013-04-03 10:54:02 AM  
I don't really think "Bush misled on Iraq WMDs" fits there on the same level as "Obama is the Antichrist" or "Vaccines are linked to autism".
 
2013-04-03 10:54:29 AM  

Archae hippy: So the fact that we were intentionally misled about Iraq WMD's is a conspiracy?


Lot's of nuance there. Did they make up the whole thing? I don't think so, Saddahm did want WMDs he just wasn't in a position to do much about it. So I'd say the threat was very much overblown, combined with some plain old imcompetence. (I think)


A few others that belong in that list

Is Obama a muslim? 30-40% still say yes
Was Obama born in the US? about the same number say No
Was Iraq inovled in 9/11 again, 30-40% say yes
Did we find WMDs in Iraq?  same as above
 
2013-04-03 10:56:32 AM  

Boxcutta: Muta: nocturnal001: Lizard people? That seems like such a random delusion.

That is what the government wants you to think.

I used to believe in them until the government changed my mind.  (I watch a lot of tv).


Wait, if we are controlled by lizard people then this is exactly why Global Warming is happening. They are COLD blooded, they want the Earth to be warmer.  Climate scientists are basically the same as Gordon Freedmon in Halflife.
 
2013-04-03 10:56:43 AM  
Some of these things are or are not conspiracies just based on technicalities and delicate phrasing.

For instance, "Bush intentionally misled on Iraq WMDs" could be a conspiracy or could be a mundane truth, based on how you define "intentionally misled."  If you want to believe that Bush and Cheney sat around in a dark, smoky conference room, telling each other "we know Iraq has no WMDs, but we'll say they do to give us the pretext for invasion" then that's a conspiracy.  If you believe that Bush & Co. started from the assumption that Iraq had WMDs, and mostly just looked for evidence that reinforced their belief, then that's been documented a thousand times over.
 
2013-04-03 11:00:11 AM  
Don't forget Lizard Jeebus. He's a supporter of same-lizard marriage because it helps regulate body temperature.
 
2013-04-03 11:00:20 AM  
If by "lizard-people" you mean "full-blown psychopaths", then I agree.
 
2013-04-03 11:01:00 AM  

tolallorti: I liked the one about the CIA developing crack. Don't really think they did, but at the same time it wouldn't surprise me.


I'm in the same boat. I don't really believe it, but every time they declassify a few more CIA memos, I start to think "On the other hand, maybe..."
 
2013-04-03 11:01:58 AM  

Ned Stark: Bush intentionally misled America about Iraq's WMD

Hardly comperable to doubting the farking moon landing.


Another related question would be, "Do you believe the US military found WMD in Iraq, or not?"
 
2013-04-03 11:05:42 AM  

tolallorti: I liked the one about the CIA developing crack. Don't really think they did, but at the same time it wouldn't surprise me.


Yeah that's another one of those "you might be wrong, but you certainly aren't crazy for thinking it" conspiracies.
Also, the government allowed 9/11 to happen.

In fact, a whole lot of these "conspiracies" just seem like reasonable interpretations of facts with inconvenient implications.

/I'm just going to have to assume the Atlantic wire is "in on it" and this whole thing is an elaborate push poll designed to associate anyone dissenting from the Official Story with the chemtrails crowd.
 
2013-04-03 11:07:41 AM  

nocturnal001: I get what you guys are saying but the vast majority of these folks aren't answering yes to "aliens exist in the universe" but rather "aliens are visting us and abducting people".

Yesterday there was a thread about sleep paralysis and how it usually brings in a feeling of dread like somebody is in the room and often sexual feelings.  It is plainly obvious that all these abudction stories are episodes of sleep paralysis, normal crazy type hallucinations, or hoaxes.

Lizard people? That seems like such a random delusion.


Yeah, I went through a period where I was having sleep paralysis episodes, and I had a dude in a gas mask in my room one time.

A different person could easily get aliens instead.

\More often was just paralyzed and freaking out.
\\So glad that ended.
\\\Who doesn't think there are aliens out there somewhere?
 
2013-04-03 11:09:01 AM  

Nuuu: If you believe that Bush & Co. started from the assumption that Iraq had WMDs, and mostly just looked for evidence that reinforced their belief, then that's been documented a thousand times over.


Yeah, it's really on that "intentionally" part.
 
2013-04-03 11:10:50 AM  

exick: 47% of people think aliens do not exist?


The existence of aliens probably conflicts with a lot of people's religious beliefs. Seems like a waste of space for us to be the only ones in the entire universe.
 
2013-04-03 11:12:18 AM  

t3knomanser: Nuuu: If you believe that Bush & Co. started from the assumption that Iraq had WMDs, and mostly just looked for evidence that reinforced their belief, then that's been documented a thousand times over.

Yeah, it's really on that "intentionally" part.


Well they were certainly "intentional" about pursuing the conclusion that they had already reached.  But I agree with other posters, some of those "conspriacies" are not like the others.
 
2013-04-03 11:12:41 AM  
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2013-04-03 11:16:40 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Well they were certainly "intentional" about pursuing the conclusion that they had already reached


It's semantics. They're intentionally pursuing a conclusion they've already reached, despite any evidence. They're misleading people as a result. But are they being  intentionally misleading?
 
2013-04-03 11:18:19 AM  
nocturnal001:

Lizard people? That seems like such a random delusion.

David Icke has sold a lot of books.
 
2013-04-03 11:19:09 AM  
Bush intentionally misled on Iraq WMDs
 No farking shiat. He explicitly wanted to go to war with Iraq from day one, even before 9/11. Hell, I'm pretty sure a shiatload of autobiographies from the Bush administration say as much. If he could've gotten away with it he would've gone after Iraq before Afghanistan. The farking British intelligence was a goddamn grad school paper some kid wrote.
 
2013-04-03 11:23:18 AM  

nocturnal001: I get what you guys are saying but the vast majority of these folks aren't answering yes to "aliens exist in the universe" but rather "aliens are visting us and abducting people".

Yesterday there was a thread about sleep paralysis and how it usually brings in a feeling of dread like somebody is in the room and often sexual feelings.  It is plainly obvious that all these abudction stories are episodes of sleep paralysis, normal crazy type hallucinations, or hoaxes.

Lizard people? That seems like such a random delusion.


I think it's a reference to hitchhikers guide at least I hope it was
 
2013-04-03 11:24:39 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-03 11:26:02 AM  
Hands down to David Icke for single handedly creating the most entertaining conspiracy theory since the Cult of Subgenius.

Before David Icke, we only had the vocabulary of our ancestors in naming monsters.  We had the Dracula Vampire, a person who feeds on others in society, but has to be invited by the prey to be consumed (think of lawyers).

Or the more modern Frankenstein, a man that is strong, powerful as a result of technology, but lacks human emotions (think of how industrialization affected social cohesion and individuals became robotic).

Now, thanks to David Icke, we can call the Queen of England a Shapeshifting Lizard lady from another dimension that will pounce on you and rip your head off if you do not exit the room properly facing her.

I call that innovation in the monster universe and I applaud Mr. Icke for it!
It's perceptive to call those in power who are two faced liars 'shapeshifting'... that's sexy!

/The idea that some people believe it does not bother me so much, people dehumanize each other all the time... this way it's more obvious and entertaining.
 
2013-04-03 11:38:58 AM  

nocturnal001: Archae hippy: So the fact that we were intentionally misled about Iraq WMD's is a conspiracy?

Lot's of nuance there. Did they make up the whole thing? I don't think so, Saddahm did want WMDs he just wasn't in a position to do much about it. So I'd say the threat was very much overblown, combined with some plain old imcompetence. (I think)


Agree about the nuance part. I think we have to say that we were indeed misled by the administration. Perusing the wiki on the Senate investigation into the pre-war intelligence, much of it was faulty, incomplete, and contradictory. However, based on the post 9/11 climate and the fact that Hussein had possessed and used chemical weapons in the past, I'm willing to give the administration a bit of benefit of the doubt and say that they acted more like shady car salesmen rather than outright con men who fabricated the whole thing.

I don't necessarily have a problem with our leaders being devious when it comes to foreign policy. I would just prefer that they'd be more competent and less self-serving. Is America better off for having to gone to war in Iraq? Overall, no. Is the world better off for having Saddam Hussein removed from power? That's a tougher question, but I'm willing to think that it is.
 
2013-04-03 11:39:20 AM  
Jesus, 51% buy the JFK conspiracy theory?

Oliver Stone has a lot to answer for.
 
2013-04-03 11:41:44 AM  
I am the lizard king
 
2013-04-03 11:42:31 AM  
OK... what conspiracy is "New World Order?"

And yeah, some of these aren't conspiracy theories. Like, I can't imagine any interpretation of "Hussein was involved in 9/11" that could be considered a conspiracy theory. It's just getting your muslins confused.
 
F42
2013-04-03 11:48:40 AM  
Bigfoot exists

Conspiracy?
 
F42
2013-04-03 11:50:12 AM  

LiberalWeenie: I can't imagine any interpretation of "Hussein was involved in 9/11" that could be considered a conspiracy theory.


Hussain was a co-conspirator of that crime that involved more than one person.

That's what a conspiracy is. You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
2013-04-03 11:51:52 AM  
nocturnal001: I get what you guys are saying but the vast majority of these folks aren't answering yes to "aliens exist in the universe" but rather "aliens are visting us and abducting people".

Yesterday there was a thread about sleep paralysis and how it usually brings in a feeling of dread like somebody is in the room and often sexual feelings. It is plainly obvious that all these abudction stories are episodes of sleep paralysis, normal crazy type hallucinations, or hoaxes.

Lizard people? That seems like such a random delusion.


I think it's a reference to hitchhikers guide at least I hope it wasreading the article i think so tooi bow in the general direction (monty python paraphrase) of submitterand yourself for the reference
 
F42
2013-04-03 11:55:18 AM  

cardex: I think it's a reference to hitchhikers guide


The humanoid lizard people secretly running society meme is much older than the HHGTTG.

-- Ray Nelson -- 1963
Eight O'Clock in the Morning
 
2013-04-03 12:03:28 PM  
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(never thought I'd get to use this again after election day)
 
2013-04-03 12:12:34 PM  

F42: LiberalWeenie: I can't imagine any interpretation of "Hussein was involved in 9/11" that could be considered a conspiracy theory.

Hussain was a co-conspirator of that crime that involved more than one person.

That's what a conspiracy is. You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.


There's a big difference between conspiracy and a conspiracy-theory conspiracy.

But you know that.
 
2013-04-03 12:15:10 PM  
I'm very surprised that "The Government Controls Minds with TV", only came in at 15%.
TV content, and lack of content has been influencing us since it's inception, by setting social norms of dress, behavior, purchasing decisions, morality etc.

TV is the main reason Americans think their country is number 1 in every area, when in fact, we are number one in the world at absolutely nothing, except military might.
It sure is fun cheering on the fighter jets that buzz The Superbowl though.

What is missing is just as important as what is there, as evidenced by the ban of showing soldiers' caskets at the beginning of the Iraq war, or the cancellation of The Smothers Brothers because of their opposition to the Vietnam war at a time when the government was feeding the networks box scores of the killed and wounded on a daily basis.

Every night we saw : United States dead: 14
                                    Communist dead: 187
Just to create the illusion that we were 'winning', and preventing communism from spreading to our shores.

"Drag Net", which was HEAVILY anti-drug, and anti-hippy, painted the anti war protesters as being the biggest weirdos ever to grace the planet.
It is also the reason that the catastrophic War On DrugsTM came to be, as it duped most of middle America into thinking that if they smoked a joint, their baby would drown in the bathtub, or they would turn to prostitution to support their marijuana habit, but only after they had painted their face blue and clawed out their own eyes.
Seriously, that show would have been funny as hell if it weren't so damaging.
 
2013-04-03 12:51:00 PM  
Interesting, but it bugs me that they are taking what was a very small sample group and extrapolating it out to the entire population. That's not actually how polls work.

6% of the 1,247 people they got to answer the phone at the end of March think Osama Bin Laden is still alive. That means they found 75 people who thought that was possible. They found 62 people who think Paul McCartney died in 1966, and 50 people who think lizard people rule the world. In all likelihood, these are all the same few dozen whackadoos.

This survey proves that a few dozen people willing to answer a survey are either confirmed nutjobs, or are having a lark with the surveys.

What it DOES NOT PROVE, in any way, shape or form, is that 12,556,562 Americans believe Lizard People control politics, or that 15,695,702  Americans believe Paul McCartney died 47 years ago, or that 18,834,842 americans believe Osama Bin Laden is still alive. Not only does it NOT prove that, it is a stretch to even argue that it strongly indicates that, given a sample set of something like .000003 of the population group.

I know many Farkers here understand how polls work, but it bugs me when idiot reporters present reckless extrapolations as "fact" with narry a mention of the sample set or even a cursory acknowlegement of the limitations of polling samples.
 
2013-04-03 12:54:01 PM  
I'm all out of bubblegum
 
2013-04-03 01:13:03 PM  

Gunther: Jesus, 51% buy the JFK conspiracy theory?

Oliver Stone has a lot to answer for.


A conspiracy seems the best fit for what the hell was Jack Ruby thinking.

Note that a conspiracy does not require the second gunman on the grassy knoll -- only that someone put Oswald up to the shooting, gave him the rifle, pointed him to the building, and then had Jack Ruby kill him to shut him up.  Moreover, I lack the information needed to speculate on who the conspirators might have been.
 
2013-04-03 01:13:13 PM  

TommyymmoT: I'm very surprised that "The Government Controls Minds with TV", only came in at 15%.
TV content, and lack of content has been influencing us since it's inception, by setting social norms of dress, behavior, purchasing decisions, morality etc.

TV is the main reason Americans think their country is number 1 in every area, when in fact, we are number one in the world at absolutely nothing, except military might.


Here, here!  I say that these polls are in fact counter-propaganda to smear all objectors as conspiracy loons.

What they do is lump in all non-government sponsored ideas into one big category of "conspiracies" and equate lizard people belief with an idea like "Government controls the information we receive through TV".  This gives plenty of amunition for folks here on Fark and elsewhere to call anyone who questions the Gov't a nut-job.
 
2013-04-03 01:23:31 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: 6% of the 1,247 people they got to answer the phone at the end of March think Osama Bin Laden is still alive. That means they found 75 people who thought that was possible. They found 62 people who think Paul McCartney died in 1966, and 50 people who think lizard people rule the world. In all likelihood, these are all the same few dozen whackadoos.


I don't know these are the same people polled.  19% believe in Aliens.  21% believe UFOs landed in Roswell.

We also have to remember that 5% of the population suffers from functional mental retardation, and frankly, the bottom quintile of any population deserves to be ignored.
 
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