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(The Atlantic Wire)   2% of Obama supporters and 5% of Romney supporters walked into the voting booth just hoping to see the right lizard elected   ( divider line
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2013-04-03 01:31:22 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: What it DOES NOT PROVE, in any way, shape or form, is that 12,556,562 Americans believe Lizard People control politics, or that 15,695,702 Americans believe Paul McCartney died 47 years ago, or that 18,834,842 americans believe Osama Bin Laden is still alive. Not only does it NOT prove that, it is a stretch to even argue that it strongly indicates that, given a sample set of something like .000003 of the population group.

I know many Farkers here understand how polls work, but it bugs me when idiot reporters present reckless extrapolations as "fact" with narry a mention of the sample set or even a cursory acknowlegement

The word "prove" is a bit loaded.  Any random sample that contains a set of the population that consists of over 1000 individuals can be considered to be an accurate representation of the larger population.

Now you can claim that this only applies to registered voters (which I think skews the results to be more "sane" than the average American) and it doesn't specify but we can probably assume automated phone interviews means lan lines (which skews back towards the crazy I think on average) but the accuracy here has nothign to do with numbers.

As an aside, theis poll very much matches the bazillion other polls that have asked these types of questions over the years. Judging by that, I don't see why we would doubt the results.
2013-04-03 01:41:22 PM  
2013-04-03 01:44:04 PM  
errr...I meant to post this
2013-04-03 01:46:12 PM  
Yes, Yes, keep thinking that the Lizard People are controlling you.

/Vote Lectroids 2016
2013-04-03 02:02:29 PM  
A couple problems I have are:

1) The aforementioned aliens and Iraq WMDs being listed with other lunatic fringe stuff as though it's equivalent.

2) The numbers they use. 51% of Americans is probably 160,000,000 people but a lot of those people are children. It's either 51% or it's 160,000,000. It shouldn't be both, which makes me question the validity of the survey and/or its presentation.
2013-04-03 02:17:51 PM  
Pretty sure there are enough insider books/quotes about how Bush/Cheney misled the American people about Saddam possessing WMDs that we can't really call that a "conspiracy theory". Sadly, that was just politics.
2013-04-03 03:27:12 PM  

vsavatar: Obey, consume, conform, sleep.

Actually, we don't care if you do the last two things, as long as you're doing the first two things.

/not speaking for the Stonecutters
2013-04-03 04:13:58 PM  
2013-04-03 05:26:01 PM  

Archae hippy: So the fact that we were intentionally misled about Iraq WMD's is a conspiracy?

i was wondering about that one too.
2013-04-03 07:38:14 PM  
TFA: 12 Million Americans Believe Lizard People Run Our Country

No, 4% of the polling sample was psychologically primed to provide an impulsive response to a yes/no question with no social judgment or personal embarrassment riding on their answer. Given time and incentive to think more critically, most people who answer yes to this kind of shiat will say "oh, wait, I don't want to sound like a complete idiot, and I guess I don't  really believe in lizard people." But when you're prompted to anonymously contribute to a broader collection of data on what the country thinks, and you want to voice a general feeling of skepticism but aren't given precise questions that allow you to do so, you end up doing it within the format that's been provided to you. So you say you believe JFK was killed by conspiracy, or that there's a "New World Order", or the medical community invents diseases, even though you'd never proactively have those beliefs if they weren't offered as possibilities by a polling firm or radio host.

There are honest-to-God crazies out there, but most people are just careless with what they say they believe when there's no consequences or accountability on the line. Still, keep on with your stupid-ass questions, PPP.
2013-04-03 08:37:21 PM  

exick: Babwa Wawa: Most of those are tin-foil hat notions, but "Aliens exist" should not be conflated with the notion that "Aliens exist and anally probe people in advance of an invasion".

And the question was simply "Do you believe aliens exist, or not?" Frankly, that number is terrifyingly low. 47% of people think aliens do not exist? Earth is the only place in the entire universe with any life on it whatsoever? Now I agree with you that most people when asked that question are thinking it means "intelligent, space-faring aliens exist and have visited Earth" and not "a young planet in the Goldilocks zone of its star 180,000 light years away has managed to cultivate plant life" but still.

Aliens on their home planets are not aliens; they're natives. These people were thinking of  aliens on OUR planet.

Some were just having fun with the poll.
2013-04-03 09:06:04 PM  

Nuuu: Some of these things are or are not conspiracies just based on technicalities and delicate phrasing.

For instance, "Bush intentionally misled on Iraq WMDs" could be a conspiracy or could be a mundane truth, based on how you define "intentionally misled."  If you want to believe that Bush and Cheney sat around in a dark, smoky conference room, telling each other "we know Iraq has no WMDs, but we'll say they do to give us the pretext for invasion" then that's a conspiracy.  If you believe that Bush & Co. started from the assumption that Iraq had WMDs, and mostly just looked for evidence that reinforced their belief, then that's been documented a thousand times over.

Exactly. Some of the others are like that too. And some questions, like aliens or even Bigfoot, aren't really answerable by a straight yes/no response. A lot of people believe there is extraterrestrial life; that's different from believing there are space aliens walking among us right now on Earth. Many serious scientists are unsure if there might not be an unknown animal in the Pacific Northwest; that's not the same as thinking there is a giant ape living there. But if your only answers are yes/no, then you can't answer "Do you believe in aliens?" correctly.
2013-04-04 07:13:40 PM  

RedT: Kodos

Dang, beat me to it!
2013-04-05 06:41:31 AM  
I always kind of believed the crack thing, especially considering the reality of the War on Drugs and the impact it's had. I also believe alien life exists, Bush misled us regarding Iraq, and the JFK assassination seems fishy. When I go into full conspiracy theorist mode I wouldn't find it hard to believe in Bigfoot, Roswell, the Illuminati, the moon landing, and 9/11 conspiracies. Life is boring when you only use facts and science!

/Is the CIA training Osama and his fighters in the 80s still considered a conspiracy? Plenty of these "conspiracies" are based in a good deal of fact. It's only a conspiracy when people "elaborate" on those facts (like if you said that the CIA training Osama means that 9/11 was an inside job or whatever).
2013-04-05 03:28:52 PM  

TheJoe03: /Is the CIA training Osama and his fighters in the 80s still considered a conspiracy?

I'm not aware that that was ever considered a conspiracy. Just an embarrasment.

But since it was widely reported on both before and after 9/11, I don't think it qualifies as a 'conspiracy'.
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