If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Slashdot)   Soon to be a major item on Woot's "Random Dollar Bag of Crap" sale: Windows RT devices   (mobile.slashdot.org) divider line 107
    More: Obvious, Windows RT, window, portable computer, trick question, woot, user interface design, touch screens  
•       •       •

4668 clicks; posted to Geek » on 03 Apr 2013 at 9:55 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



107 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2013-04-03 09:58:37 AM
How long before Ballmer gets his ass handed to him and is shown the door?

My money's on this fall.
 
2013-04-03 09:58:40 AM
But will they have the $99 blowout sale like HP's Touchpads?  It would be fun to see another frenzy like that.
 
2013-04-03 10:02:16 AM
Don't be absurd.

Woot doesn't do the "Bag of Crap" anymore.
 
2013-04-03 10:06:42 AM

scanman61: But will they have the $99 blowout sale like HP's Touchpads?  It would be fun to see another frenzy like that.


Those were worth it at $99, though. The RT tablets aren't worth it at anything less than free. With a puppy. And a gift card. And a trash bag to put it in so I don't have to use my own.

/ I would seriously consider buying a Surface Pro were it discounted to around $199 though
// the tablet goes in the trash bag... not the puppy
 
2013-04-03 10:08:19 AM

unlikely: Don't be absurd.

Woot doesn't do the "Bag of Crap" anymore.


I do miss them, but woot has lost it's charm since being bought.
 
2013-04-03 10:14:00 AM
Pre-launch, Ballmer was socializing $199 and $299, at which it would have sold well.  $500 is an absolutely ridiculous price - not only is it uncompetitive with other ARM-based devices, it's comparable to full intel devices.  It was DOA due to pricing, which appears to have been forced on Ballmer by Microsoft's OEM "partners".

Ballmer's made a lot of mistakes, but it's pretty clear that RT pricing was out of his control.  And with the right price, it could have been competitive with the Kindle Fire.
 
2013-04-03 10:15:50 AM

Babwa Wawa: Pre-launch, Ballmer was socializing $199 and $299, at which it would have sold well.  $500 is an absolutely ridiculous price - not only is it uncompetitive with other ARM-based devices, it's comparable to full intel devices.  It was DOA due to pricing, which appears to have been forced on Ballmer by Microsoft's OEM "partners".

Ballmer's made a lot of mistakes, but it's pretty clear that RT pricing was out of his control.  And with the right price, it could have been competitive with the Kindle Fire.


All of this.
 
2013-04-03 10:17:08 AM
I just can't explain the business philosophy of releasing a full OS with full capabilities and hybrids/laptops that can use it, and then a half-hearted disabled version on less than capable hardware later and expect anyone to be interested.
 
2013-04-03 10:17:12 AM

Publikwerks: unlikely: Don't be absurd.

Woot doesn't do the "Bag of Crap" anymore.

I do miss them, but woot has lost it's charm since being bought.


Its charm and my business. Hope the founders do another startup.
 
2013-04-03 10:17:59 AM

angrymacface: Babwa Wawa: Pre-launch, Ballmer was socializing $199 and $299, at which it would have sold well.  $500 is an absolutely ridiculous price - not only is it uncompetitive with other ARM-based devices, it's comparable to full intel devices.  It was DOA due to pricing, which appears to have been forced on Ballmer by Microsoft's OEM "partners".

Ballmer's made a lot of mistakes, but it's pretty clear that RT pricing was out of his control.  And with the right price, it could have been competitive with the Kindle Fire.

All of this.


Yeah when the rumors were coming out that it was going to be $199 I couldn't wait to buy one but when they said $500 screw that.  You can get one nice Android tablet for that kind of money.
 
2013-04-03 10:18:10 AM
Publikwerks
unlikely: Don't be absurd.
Woot doesn't do the "Bag of Crap" anymore.
I do miss them, but woot has lost it's charm since being bought.


Amazon has not been kind to the website.
 
2013-04-03 10:20:40 AM

skozlaw: scanman61: But will they have the $99 blowout sale like HP's Touchpads?  It would be fun to see another frenzy like that.

Those were worth it at $99, though. The RT tablets aren't worth it at anything less than free. With a puppy. And a gift card. And a trash bag to put it in so I don't have to use my own.

/ I would seriously consider buying a Surface Pro were it discounted to around $199 though
// the tablet goes in the trash bag... not the puppy


I bought two of the 32 GB Touchpads, they're now dual boot WebOS/Cyanogenmod 9.
 
2013-04-03 10:21:48 AM

Babwa Wawa: And with the right price, it could have been competitive with the Kindle Fire.


What information do you use as the basis for this claim? It's a new tablet and OS being offered in a market where Microsoft has historically struggled to perform. The tablet and OS itself have been met with a resounding "meh" at best and outright hatred at worst, the app options are sparse and it offers no killer feature to make it a standout from the crowd.

I can see where the Surface Pro might stand a chance, but I see no way this device ever had a chance to be competitive at any price. It offers virtually nothing to buyers in this segment except "I'm (sort of) Windows", and that just isn't going to sell.
 
2013-04-03 10:24:04 AM

skozlaw: The tablet and OS itself have been met with a resounding "meh" at best and outright hatred at worst, the app options are sparse and it offers no killer feature to make it a standout from the crowd.


That's why price matters.
 
2013-04-03 10:26:35 AM

markie_farkie: How long before Ballmer gets his ass handed to him and is shown the door?

My money's on this fall


As a Win developer, I'd love to see him be fired.

Out of a cannon.

Into the sun.
 
2013-04-03 10:31:46 AM

Babwa Wawa: Pre-launch, Ballmer was socializing $199 and $299, at which it would have sold well.  $500 is an absolutely ridiculous price - not only is it uncompetitive with other ARM-based devices, it's comparable to full intel devices.  It was DOA due to pricing, which appears to have been forced on Ballmer by Microsoft's OEM "partners".

Ballmer's made a lot of mistakes, but it's pretty clear that RT pricing was out of his control.  And with the right price, it could have been competitive with the Kindle Fire.


This.
Thus, the fact that the fast money fartknockers regard the price coming down as a bad thing is laughable.
I know a few people who have RT devices and love them (though most of them bough refurbished units rather than new.)
Basically the RT devices need to compete with netbooks and chromebooks on price- if they can do that they will win with people who don't already own tablets.

People will see the advantages of being able to run the same app store and thus (some of) the same apps on their computer and their tablet- That's why people who owned iPhones went out and bought iPads when they came out rather than going to another platform.

It was familiar, they were already using it and they already had the apps they wanted for it.
 
2013-04-03 10:32:49 AM

unlikely: That's why price matters.


I'm sure you can sell a dog turd to some fool if the price is right, but I don't think you'll make a business of it. My point is that I don't see any (realistic) price point at which this device would have been more attractive to buyers than the established alternatives because it's just not a good device. I can buy a Fire HD for $200 and the RT tablets aren't competitive with that device so they'd have to be even cheaper than that to really entice anybody.
 
2013-04-03 10:36:07 AM

pkellmey: I just can't explain the business philosophy of releasing a full OS with full capabilities and hybrids/laptops that can use it, and then a half-hearted disabled version on less than capable hardware later and expect anyone to be interested.


Because clearly when you're trying to consolidate desktops, laptops, netbooks, tablets and phones under one Windows 8 in order to unify apps that run on all the devices you're supposed to make multiple editions of Windows 8 that are incompatible and can't run apps between the multiple editions.

I mean, duh, obvious.
 
2013-04-03 10:37:05 AM
If it was $199 I would have bought one.
 
2013-04-03 10:37:40 AM
i521.photobucket.com

As someone who has been lucky enough to score two BOC's, I'm getting a kick.

2wolves: Publikwerks: unlikely: Don't be absurd.

Woot doesn't do the "Bag of Crap" anymore.

I do miss them, but woot has lost it's charm since being bought.

Its charm and my business. Hope the founders do another startup.


Sadly this. Used to buy all sorts of crap on there. From literally dozens of those frickin flying monkeys up to a video projector. But I haven't bought much more than a shirt or two since the changeover.
 
2013-04-03 10:37:48 AM
They did one on Monday.  You had to click the link in the main page product description which took you to the "woot gardening" page where they were selling "bags of compost"
 
2013-04-03 10:41:45 AM

pkellmey: I just can't explain the business philosophy of releasing a full OS with full capabilities and hybrids/laptops that can use it, and then a half-hearted disabled version on less than capable hardware later and expect anyone to be interested.


The idea was that the ARM devices were supposed to be cheaper and more efficient. Lower power, lower heat, etc. But, of course, as ARM devices, that made them largely incompatible with existing x86-based software. It was simply a tradeoff. Lower power consumption, heat, etc. but you couldn't use x86-based programs on it.

Like the whole "unified touch/type interface" crap they have going on with Windows 8/RT, the idea soared high but the implementation plowed face first into a crevice full of jagged rocks. The availability of apps (which is all you can work with on the RT) is still lagging and the expected ARM benefits haven't exactly been knocking anybody's socks off.
 
2013-04-03 10:44:38 AM

skozlaw: What information do you use as the basis for this claim? It's a new tablet and OS being offered in a market where Microsoft has historically struggled to perform. The tablet and OS itself have been met with a resounding "meh" at best and outright hatred at worst, the app options are sparse and it offers no killer feature to make it a standout from the crowd.

I can see where the Surface Pro might stand a chance, but I see no way this device ever had a chance to be competitive at any price. It offers virtually nothing to buyers in this segment except "I'm (sort of) Windows", and that just isn't going to sell.


The fact that every single person in business who has an iPad also carries a laptop, and would prefer not to do so most of the time.

Any tab that can accurately do powerpoint, word, and some light excel has a large advantage over any goddamned thing on the market, and at $200, I and many of my colleagues would not have waited 4 months to get a $600 Atom-based tab.
 
rpm
2013-04-03 10:50:14 AM

Babwa Wawa: Any tab that can accurately do powerpoint, word, and some light excel has a large advantage over any goddamned thing on the market, and at $200, I and many of my colleagues would not have waited 4 months to get a $600 Atom-based tab.


Docs to Go doesn't do what you need?

/haven't used it
 
2013-04-03 10:51:38 AM

skozlaw: Like the whole "unified touch/type interface" crap they have going on with Windows 8/RT, the idea soared high but the implementation plowed face first into a crevice full of jagged rocks. The availability of apps (which is all you can work with on the RT) is still lagging and the expected ARM benefits haven't exactly been knocking anybody's socks off.


Stop brining up apps, it's not all about apps.  I could care less about angry birds or temple run or any other BS app.  If they would have made the thing cheaper or on par with netbooks it would have taken off.

What app would you like that they don't have something equal to?
 
2013-04-03 10:54:35 AM
FTA: "The price drop is an acknowledgment that Windows RT has failed, analysts claim."For what RT does, the price point for the Surface RT is a bit high, but RT is far from failed.
 
2013-04-03 11:00:17 AM

Babwa Wawa: Any tab that can accurately do powerpoint, word, and some light excel has a large advantage over any goddamned thing on the market...


You were talking strictly price point, though, as the big problem. You can't use Office RT in a business setting unless you also license Office 365 so we're right back to the fundamentally flawed design of the device. It wouldn't matter if it had been $199, it still wouldn't have met your needs.

As for the general argument about tablets and business, I've been saying this since the iPad came out and people started saying it was going to cause a fundamental shift in business computing: nope.

Outside of a few very large corporations that can reap the long term benefits of large scale BYOD implementations and have the resources to do it properly, the fact is that the vast majority of business users just need a cheap Dell box at their desk and a copy of Office because they aren't mobile employees.
 
2013-04-03 11:01:15 AM

TNel: Stop brining up apps, it's not all about apps.


Uh... except... with the Surface RT it is....
 
2013-04-03 11:02:22 AM

skozlaw: TNel: Stop brining up apps, it's not all about apps.

Uh... except... with the Surface RT it is....


What app do you need that they don't have?
 
2013-04-03 11:07:29 AM

tmntman: They did one on Monday.  You had to click the link in the main page product description which took you to the "woot gardening" page where they were selling "bags of compost"


Yup.

The Bandolier of Carrots is much more rare than it used to be, but they're around here and there. Mine from Monday will supposedly show up on Saturday.

Some things about Woot are better than before (wider array of products), but much of what made it special has declined. With all the different sites and Plus deals it's harder to browse the place. But I have still gotten some great deals on neat stuff lately. That $130 electric Toro snowblower ate right through our big snowfall a week and a half ago without one bit of problem.
 
2013-04-03 11:08:55 AM

skozlaw: Babwa Wawa: Any tab that can accurately do powerpoint, word, and some light excel has a large advantage over any goddamned thing on the market...

You were talking strictly price point, though, as the big problem. You can't use Office RT in a business setting unless you also license Office 365 so we're right back to the fundamentally flawed design of the device. It wouldn't matter if it had been $199, it still wouldn't have met your needs.


"Volume licenses for Office 2013 and business subscriptions for Office 365 allow commercial use of Office RT" so I'm not sure what your point is.  A lot of business have either of those so Office RT would work just fine for their needs, I know it would work fine for our business since we have a volume license.
 
2013-04-03 11:11:03 AM

TNel: What app do you need that they don't have?


I don't know what you're asking me. What apps who doesn't have? Literally none of the various tools that are common across all of my users here in the office would work on an RT device simply by virtue of the fact that it can't be joined to a domain. In particular, two key items that are important to all users: no backups and no network AV. The vendors couldn't even make apps for them because, again, they're domain-based tools. They'd have to fundamentally alter the entire system to make it work. And I'd have to manually install any app they released on every single device.
 
2013-04-03 11:14:15 AM

TNel: "Volume licenses for Office 2013 and business subscriptions for Office 365 allow commercial use of Office RT" so I'm not sure what your point is.


I was unaware of that, I thought it was only the Office 365 licensing.
 
2013-04-03 11:14:16 AM

skozlaw: TNel: What app do you need that they don't have?

I don't know what you're asking me. What apps who doesn't have? Literally none of the various tools that are common across all of my users here in the office would work on an RT device simply by virtue of the fact that it can't be joined to a domain. In particular, two key items that are important to all users: no backups and no network AV. The vendors couldn't even make apps for them because, again, they're domain-based tools. They'd have to fundamentally alter the entire system to make it work. And I'd have to manually install any app they released on every single device.


Then get the Pro, wth are you complaining about.  That's like someone buying Windows 7 Home and complaining it can't bind to Active Directory.  You are buying a home based item, if you want to use it on a corporate network you must buy the right version.
 
2013-04-03 11:16:45 AM

TNel: Then get the Pro, wth are you complaining about.


Gee. If you'd bothered to read the thread before you just arbitrarily assumed I was complaining about it maybe you'd know what the conversation was all about before the point at which you wedged yourself into it and started making unfounded assumptions about the intent of my comments.
 
2013-04-03 11:18:43 AM
Srs questions:
Does it take photos?
Does it have a word processor and spreadsheet?

I may get one for the office if they drop low enough.
 
2013-04-03 11:19:41 AM

TNel: That's like someone buying Windows 7 Home and complaining it can't bind to Active Directory.


OS X connects to AD just fine. Exchange, too. You don't have to have a special version.

This is ironic to me, because MS is intentionally crippling their own product (Windows) from being able to interface with... their own product (AD). There is no technical reason why Win7 Home shouldn't be able to connect to AD.

It's this kind of crap that made me decide to move away from Windows.
 
2013-04-03 11:20:32 AM

Witty_Retort: Does it take photos?
Does it have a word processor and spreadsheet?


Yes on both, but be careful about the licensing restrictions as discussed above. You're not allowed to use Office RT for business unless your company meets certain licensing requirements.

Also, you can't join it on the domain so I'm not sure how easy it would be to move documents around unless you either email them back and forth or maybe use USB.
 
2013-04-03 11:21:16 AM

illegal.tender: TNel: That's like someone buying Windows 7 Home and complaining it can't bind to Active Directory.

OS X connects to AD just fine. Exchange, too. You don't have to have a special version.

This is ironic to me, because MS is intentionally crippling their own product (Windows) from being able to interface with... their own product (AD). There is no technical reason why Win7 Home shouldn't be able to connect to AD.

It's this kind of crap that made me decide to move away from Windows.


Price, Windows Home is $50 cheaper than Windows Pro.  That's why they call it Home it's supposed to be left at home unless you have a volume key to take it to pro.
 
2013-04-03 11:21:55 AM

skozlaw: Witty_Retort: Does it take photos?
Does it have a word processor and spreadsheet?

Yes on both, but be careful about the licensing restrictions as discussed above. You're not allowed to use Office RT for business unless your company meets certain licensing requirements.

Also, you can't join it on the domain so I'm not sure how easy it would be to move documents around unless you either email them back and forth or maybe use USB.


Thanks
 
2013-04-03 11:26:44 AM

skozlaw: TNel: Then get the Pro, wth are you complaining about.

Gee. If you'd bothered to read the thread before you just arbitrarily assumed I was complaining about it maybe you'd know what the conversation was all about before the point at which you wedged yourself into it and started making unfounded assumptions about the intent of my comments.


Because you were telling Babwa the wrong information.  RT is fine for most business users, the amount of laptops and crap I dish out that never hit our network is staggering.  People have iPads that can't connect to the network, they have Androids that can't connect so having an RT that can't connect isn't a big deal.  The fact that it has a good office product and can surf the net and do other general computer items puts it into what majority what people need when not working in their office.

Had the RT been priced at the $199 or even $299 it would have been a much better success, but at $500 it was dead before it even left the factory.
 
2013-04-03 11:34:53 AM
As others have said, the price really killed the surface RT. I got mine free at //build last year and it's a damn nifty device for surfing the net, playing games, email and watching movies. I could see myself paying $300 for the thing but forget it at $500. Maybe,  maybe if it had a 4G antenna I'd go as high as $450.

On the other hand, I'm in love with my Surface Pro. It's got the guts to run Visual Studio, IIS and SQL Express. Last time I flew I popped it open and programmed the whole flight. Once I got to a spot with a little wifi I checked the updates into TFS. It's great for meeting with clients and taking notes and when I have a little downtime I can whip out the pen and start sketching. It's proving to be quite the little workhorse.
 
2013-04-03 11:37:25 AM
Microsoft made the same mistake with the RT that Samsung and Motorolla made with their first tablets. They thought they could compete with the iPad buy making up for a worse user experiance by a slightly higher spec and price it the same.

Now Microsoft is having the learn the same lesson that unless your machine is as well made and as easy to use as an iPad then you can't charge the same price as an iPad. Spec doesn't matter.

Amazon did learn the lesson and made sure it was priced at people who wanted a tablet but couldn't afford an iPad and are making a nice little profit from the lock in.

What the RT should of been is as a cost nuetral introduction (and lock in) to the Windows 8 family (tablet, phone and desktop). Being able to sync contacts, apps and data in a seamless manner between all your devices is the holy grail of users and we have to use cludgy third party ways of doing this.
 
2013-04-03 11:55:09 AM
The only reason people run Windows is to use their Windows programs, not because of any fondness for its interface.  So delivering a Windows version that doesn't run anything was destined to fail.
 
2013-04-03 11:56:17 AM

logieal: Sadly this. Used to buy all sorts of crap on there. From literally dozens of those frickin flying monkeys up to a video projector. But I haven't bought much more than a shirt or two since the changeover.


After they switched from American Apparel Ts I even gave up on the shirts.
 
2013-04-03 11:59:52 AM
Based on my experience with an RT device among the many other tablet devices I've tried, there's something to be said for having completely painless printing and support for Office,plus the genuinely nice keyboard options. They're not all that good for doing real work, but they're miles and miles better than Android tablets and light years ahead of the Apple-imposed restrictions that prevent ithings from being useful (like being able to save arbitrary files on your device).

But then I don't actually need a tablet to do useful work. A few of my customers say that Surface Pro is exactly perfect for their needs, but that's the whole "x8 compatibility" issue rearing its ugly head again. RT is a non-starter. I suspect that if there were some sort of toolkit for making the umpty-zillion Microsoft Dynamics and/or VB/Access legacy apps used by small businesses run on RT, it would go a LONG way to helping with adoption rates.
 
2013-04-03 12:08:58 PM

markie_farkie: How long before Ballmer gets his ass handed to him and is shown the door?

My money's on this fall.


The real question is what's the chance Gates swoops back in as CEO like the Putin of technology.. If they get rid of Ballmer they need a mouth peice that can sell the company again.
 
2013-04-03 12:10:29 PM

TNel: skozlaw: TNel: What app do you need that they don't have?

I don't know what you're asking me. What apps who doesn't have? Literally none of the various tools that are common across all of my users here in the office would work on an RT device simply by virtue of the fact that it can't be joined to a domain. In particular, two key items that are important to all users: no backups and no network AV. The vendors couldn't even make apps for them because, again, they're domain-based tools. They'd have to fundamentally alter the entire system to make it work. And I'd have to manually install any app they released on every single device.

Then get the Pro, wth are you complaining about.  That's like someone buying Windows 7 Home and complaining it can't bind to Active Directory.  You are buying a home based item, if you want to use it on a corporate network you must buy the right version.


Fine.  Then let's compare it to other home tablets, and mention the fact that it doesn't have Pandora, Spotify, Amazon Video... I could go on.  FFS, it just got an official Twitter app a month ago.
 
2013-04-03 12:12:59 PM

styckx: markie_farkie: How long before Ballmer gets his ass handed to him and is shown the door?

My money's on this fall.

The real question is what's the chance Gates swoops back in as CEO like the Putin of technology.. If they get rid of Ballmer they need a mouth peice that can sell the company again.


I don't know that Gates would be interested in coming back. He seems to be very happy as a full-time philanthropist.
 
2013-04-03 12:16:25 PM
Microsoft charged somewhere around $25-40 for RT then OEM's just added it to the same tabs running Android while adding a $150 markup. I would buy a Surface RT if it was $200 and type cover was $50
 
2013-04-03 12:22:04 PM

lemurs: The only reason people run Windows is to use their Windows programs, not because of any fondness for its interface.  So delivering a Windows version that doesn't run anything was destined to fail.


I run Windows 7 because I like the interface.  I don't run Ubuntu with Unity because it's a god awful interface.
 
2013-04-03 12:31:34 PM

HeartBurnKid: Fine.  Then let's compare it to other home tablets, and mention the fact that it doesn't have Pandora, Spotify, Amazon Video... I could go on.  FFS, it just got an official Twitter app a month ago.


And who's fault is that?  Does Microsoft have to make the app for them?
 
2013-04-03 12:32:49 PM

IrateShadow: logieal: Sadly this. Used to buy all sorts of crap on there. From literally dozens of those frickin flying monkeys up to a video projector. But I haven't bought much more than a shirt or two since the changeover.

After they switched from American Apparel Ts I even gave up on the shirts.


I noticed that from the last (and I mean LAST now) t-shirt I bought. Obvious drop in quality.
 
2013-04-03 12:34:24 PM

TNel: HeartBurnKid: Fine.  Then let's compare it to other home tablets, and mention the fact that it doesn't have Pandora, Spotify, Amazon Video... I could go on.  FFS, it just got an official Twitter app a month ago.

And who's fault is that?  Does Microsoft have to make the app for them?


When you have billions of dollars in cash just sitting around, I'm sure there must have been some way to encourage development...
 
2013-04-03 12:41:46 PM

madgonad: TNel: HeartBurnKid: Fine.  Then let's compare it to other home tablets, and mention the fact that it doesn't have Pandora, Spotify, Amazon Video... I could go on.  FFS, it just got an official Twitter app a month ago.

And who's fault is that?  Does Microsoft have to make the app for them?

When you have billions of dollars in cash just sitting around, I'm sure there must have been some way to encourage development...


So bribery is ok in your book.
 
2013-04-03 12:48:11 PM

likefunbutnot: Based on my experience with an RT device among the many other tablet devices I've tried, there's something to be said for having completely painless printing and support for Office,plus the genuinely nice keyboard options. They're not all that good for doing real work, but they're miles and miles better than Android tablets and light years ahead of the Apple-imposed restrictions that prevent ithings from being useful (like being able to save arbitrary files on your device).


So let me get this right, the killer app for the watered down consumer version of the Surface is Office and doing "real work", which makes it different from the Surface Pro because...
 
2013-04-03 12:51:57 PM

HeartBurnKid: I don't know that Gates would be interested in coming back. He seems to be very happy as a full-time philanthropist.


Although Gates' current endeavor to develop a more perfect condom might come into play, considering a return to Microsoft would involve protecting the company from the mess that dick Ballmer has made.
 
2013-04-03 12:52:20 PM
www.dujodu.com

Still have one of these in my office somewhere. Haven't visited there more than a handful of times since the changeover. Too complicated now.
 
2013-04-03 01:02:58 PM
Microsoft should have never sold the license for Windows 8 RT to OEM's, but let them buy Windows 8 to be placed on real x86 computers/tabs. They should have priced the Surface RT at $300 with type or touch cover.
/I like Microsoft but it was no way you can sell a ARM tab for the price that Apple charges.
 
2013-04-03 01:03:11 PM

TNel: RT is fine for most business users


Right. That must be why you just told me I needed a Pro.

TNel: People have iPads that can't connect to the network, they have Androids that can't connect so having an RT that can't connect isn't a big deal.


Yea, and very few people do their regular work with iPads and Androids becasue - wait for it - it's inconvenient on a domain-based network with a device that can't interact with AD. Except Google and Apple have an excuse that Microsoft doesn't: they aren't Microsoft.

Your arguments just completely ignore reality. The Surface RT is priced in the same range as similarly built products and it's getting crushed in sales by Apple, Samsung, Amazon and ASUS. It's just not a competitive product. Would sales go up if the price came down? Sure. That's broadly true of all the tablets. But would the sales go up significantly enough for the RT to be competitive? There's not evidence to suggest that because the general reaction to the RT has been simply blanket disinterest.
 
2013-04-03 01:05:12 PM
I have a $250 Chromebook and it does everything I need it to do. It's awesome.

/ don't like the tablet form-factor
 
2013-04-03 01:09:06 PM

skozlaw: TNel: RT is fine for most business users

Right. That must be why you just told me I needed a Pro.

TNel: People have iPads that can't connect to the network, they have Androids that can't connect so having an RT that can't connect isn't a big deal.

Yea, and very few people do their regular work with iPads and Androids becasue - wait for it - it's inconvenient on a domain-based network with a device that can't interact with AD. Except Google and Apple have an excuse that Microsoft doesn't: they aren't Microsoft.

Your arguments just completely ignore reality. The Surface RT is priced in the same range as similarly built products and it's getting crushed in sales by Apple, Samsung, Amazon and ASUS. It's just not a competitive product. Would sales go up if the price came down? Sure. That's broadly true of all the tablets. But would the sales go up significantly enough for the RT to be competitive? There's not evidence to suggest that because the general reaction to the RT has been simply blanket disinterest.


I told you that you needed the pro because you wanted to bind to a network.   MS always makes 2 products one for home users and one for business, which is the fact you keep skipping over.   It's not competitive because it came out way too late so the user base is not there and then they priced their device out of the market.  If MS would have priced it around the Fire it would have taken off then they could have brought out the Pro for a price just above the iPad.

But when you price yourself above your competition you will not get people to dabble, who wants to spend $500 on a new tablet that doesn't have the developer support yet?  Give RT another year and we'll see how it looks but the price breakdown shows they could have easily knocked the price down to be competitive.
 
2013-04-03 01:10:38 PM

TNel: HeartBurnKid: Fine.  Then let's compare it to other home tablets, and mention the fact that it doesn't have Pandora, Spotify, Amazon Video... I could go on.  FFS, it just got an official Twitter app a month ago.

And who's fault is that?  Does Microsoft have to make the app for them?


It's Microsoft's fault for being late to the party again.  iPad and Android already have mature app ecosystems, with all the apps everybody wants to use.  MS has nothing.
 
2013-04-03 01:12:33 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: /I like Microsoft but it was no way you can sell a ARM tab for the price that Apple charges.


Apple and Samsung are both doing it.

The Note 10.1, Ipad Retina and Surface RT are all the same general price and all three ARM-based.
 
2013-04-03 01:22:36 PM

TNel: If MS would have priced it around the Fire


I don't understand this argument, though. If I could buy a Porsche for the price of a Civic I'd buy one too, but that's not going to happen because a Porsche is priced like a Porsche because of the class it competes in. The Surface RT has more expensive components and the Fire HD is only priced so low because Amazon is willing to take a hit on the upfront profit in exchange for getting them in people's hands to sell them content, which is something Microsoft can't do.

And you're still ignoring the fact that the overall response to Windows 8, RT, and Pro has been very lackluster across the board.

It doesn't generate interest. I don't see why you think it would generate more at a lower price when that doesn't solve any of the underlying problems.

They needed a device that offered something existing competitors don't. That device was the Pro. The RT? Not so much. It's a newbie leisure tablet in a world full of seasoned and polished competitors. It's not going to make it and having a lower price wouldn't have changed that. It's just not competitive with what's already available.
 
2013-04-03 01:23:52 PM

Norfolking Chance: Now Microsoft is having the learn the same lesson that unless your machine is as well made and as easy to use as an iPad then you can't charge the same price as an iPad. Spec doesn't matter.


This. The vast majority of people do not buy on spec anymore. The days of growth being driven by early adoptors and the geek squad are over. It used to be that that manufacturers could rely on the the geeks to take the product to a critical mass sales point. It doesn't work like that anymore. It is much harder to create buzz around a product unless it meets some user need.

The crazy thing is that these people get paid more to make obvious mistakes than I will ever see in my lifetime.
 
2013-04-03 01:27:45 PM

Uzzah: [www.dujodu.com image 320x240]

Still have one of these in my office somewhere. Haven't visited there more than a handful of times since the changeover. Too complicated now.


This. Once the site started looking like what happens to a site when they let their domain expire and some links page swallows up the url....it was off of my morning site crawl.
 
2013-04-03 01:33:26 PM

skozlaw: drjekel_mrhyde: /I like Microsoft but it was no way you can sell a ARM tab for the price that Apple charges.

Apple and Samsung are both doing it.

The Note 10.1, Ipad Retina and Surface RT are all the same general price and all three ARM-based.


The new guy has to take the price hit to just get in the door. This price drop could be due to Microsoft new lower res display specs and that blue is coming in the fall.
/Just give me a $250 7-8" tab with wireless HDMI built in, and I'll be happy
 
2013-04-03 01:37:57 PM

Norfolking Chance: Microsoft made the same mistake with the RT that Samsung and Motorolla made with their first tablets. They thought they could compete with the iPad buy making up for a worse user experiance by a slightly higher spec and price it the same.

Now Microsoft is having the learn the same lesson that unless your machine is as well made and as easy to use as an iPad then you can't charge the same price as an iPad. Spec doesn't matter.

Amazon did learn the lesson and made sure it was priced at people who wanted a tablet but couldn't afford an iPad and are making a nice little profit from the lock in.

What the RT should of been is as a cost nuetral introduction (and lock in) to the Windows 8 family (tablet, phone and desktop). Being able to sync contacts, apps and data in a seamless manner between all your devices is the holy grail of users and we have to use cludgy third party ways of doing this.


Techies at Microsoft have always obsessed over technical specs.
 
2013-04-03 01:38:08 PM

rpm: Docs to Go doesn't do what you need?

/haven't used it


Docs to go and its ilk are all terrible.  Slides don't render correctly.  The best way is to export to PDF and display it that way.
 
2013-04-03 01:38:20 PM
Windows 8 is poo poo poooooooooooo #@(^%(!*#&!)#%*#$*%#&^)&*CANT GET OUT OF MEtRO!
 
2013-04-03 01:53:12 PM
The person in charge of marketing should be the first to be fired.  All I know about the tablet is that you can click the keyboard on and off and your friends will start dancing because of it.
 
2013-04-03 02:00:46 PM
Microsoft should be dismantled. This is a disgrace. All I know about windows 8 is that you can't use your keyboard and mouse with it and it has a desktop app or something and 2 internet explorers?
a0.twimg.com
 
2013-04-03 02:02:24 PM

Babwa Wawa: rpm: Docs to Go doesn't do what you need?

/haven't used it

Docs to go and its ilk are all terrible.  Slides don't render correctly.  The best way is to export to PDF and display it that way.


I KNOW! There is NO WAY AROUND IT!

END EVERYTHING
 
2013-04-03 02:03:06 PM

Karne: The person in charge of marketing should be the first to be fired.


Couldn't possibly have been forced to do it by this guy, eh?
 
2013-04-03 02:03:34 PM

Karne: The person in charge of marketing should be the first to be fired.  All I know about the tablet is that you can click the keyboard on and off and your friends will start dancing because of it.


There are a number of people involved that should be fired.  Retailers begged Microsoft to drop the Windows name from RT because it doesn't run any off-the-shelf Windows software. MS wouldn't budge.
 
2013-04-03 02:19:06 PM
Hasn't everyone who wanted a failed tablet to hack around with already bought one by now?
 
2013-04-03 02:24:49 PM
Really? A device that did less than an iPad that isn't an iPad, at the price of an iPad didn't sell?

Personally, I quite liked the Surface RT because I preferred the aspect ratio (so you use it in landscape).
 
2013-04-03 02:38:05 PM

Wholesale Ass: I KNOW! There is NO WAY AROUND IT!

END EVERYTHING


Not sure if serious.  But if you've ever tried to deliver slides with graph data in them via one of those knockoff "to go" programs, you'd find that they just don't work.
 
2013-04-03 03:08:00 PM

TNel: illegal.tender: TNel: That's like someone buying Windows 7 Home and complaining it can't bind to Active Directory.

OS X connects to AD just fine. Exchange, too. You don't have to have a special version.

This is ironic to me, because MS is intentionally crippling their own product (Windows) from being able to interface with... their own product (AD). There is no technical reason why Win7 Home shouldn't be able to connect to AD.

It's this kind of crap that made me decide to move away from Windows.

Price, Windows Home is $50 cheaper than Windows Pro.  That's why they call it Home it's supposed to be left at home unless you have a volume key to take it to pro.


Note that I said no *technical* reason. This is true. If MS wants to bilk and confuse their customers who might want to connect to AD, that's their business. In the mean time, I'm bringing my MBP to work and am much happier.

Happier, in fact, on my 4 year old MBP than I was on my relatively-new Dell desktop. And this is in a MS shop.
 
2013-04-03 03:34:16 PM

illegal.tender: Note that I said no *technical* reason. This is true. If MS wants to bilk and confuse their customers who might want to connect to AD, that's their business. In the mean time, I'm bringing my MBP to work and am much happier.

Happier, in fact, on my 4 year old MBP than I was on my relatively-new Dell desktop. And this is in a MS shop.


That licensing policy was put in place long before BYOD.  I suspect it's going to have to change.
 
2013-04-03 03:55:12 PM

Publikwerks: unlikely: Don't be absurd.

Woot doesn't do the "Bag of Crap" anymore.

I do miss them, but woot has lost it's charm since being bought.


And how.  I was over 70 purchases too.  Now I'll never get the little black box next to my forum name.

csb: I got the MASK Complete Series in a Bag of Crap, sold it on e-bay for $60.  Best $5 I ever spent.
 
2013-04-03 04:08:27 PM
Didn't know Woot was bought, that explains why it sucks now.

Got one Bandolier of Carrots. A couple of usable items in it. A pub glass (eventually broke), some gel pens.

The refurb (r0x0rz!) electronics were cheap, and they were cheap. All senses of the word.
 
2013-04-03 04:37:50 PM
I'm not afraid to proselytize for the awesomeness that is Windows 8; the Surface Pro is something amazing.

That said, RT is the an amazingly stupid mistake. Just mind-numbingly bad.
 
2013-04-03 04:57:30 PM

skozlaw: I don't understand this argument, though. If I could buy a Porsche for the price of a Civic I'd buy one too, but that's not going to happen because a Porsche is priced like a Porsche because of the class it competes in. The Surface RT has more expensive components and the Fire HD is only priced so low because Amazon is willing to take a hit on the upfront profit in exchange for getting them in people's hands to sell them content, which is something Microsoft can't do.


Apple iPad 32 Gig 264 PPI                £479 (£399 for 16 gig)
Samsung Tab 10.1 16 Gig 149 PPI    £250 (with free 16 gig SD card)
Kindle Fire HD 8.9 32 Gig 254 PPI     £259
Windows RT 32 Gig 149 PPI              £399 (only around 16 gig is usable due to OS)

That shows that the RT is iPad money but not close to iPad spec so why wouldn't you buy an iPad. The success of the Fire's and Nexus' show that people will put up with vendor lock in or slightly iffy OS's if its cheap enough.
 
2013-04-03 06:06:04 PM

meanmutton: Surface Pro is something amazing


If the UI turned into a properly functioning desktop UI when I plugged in a keyboard and mouse and went back to Metro when I was using the device as a tablet I'd be on it in a minute. But I'm not paying $900+ to deal with that awful Frankengui that doesn't know what it wants to be and does as much as it can to get in the way as a result.
 
2013-04-03 06:19:49 PM
As long as we're complaining about Woot, what's the deal with them not accepting Amazon Prime? I want my Woot crap in two days, dammit!
 
2013-04-03 06:20:28 PM

skozlaw: meanmutton: Surface Pro is something amazing

If the UI turned into a properly functioning desktop UI when I plugged in a keyboard and mouse and went back to Metro when I was using the device as a tablet I'd be on it in a minute. But I'm not paying $900+ to deal with that awful Frankengui that doesn't know what it wants to be and does as much as it can to get in the way as a result.


You literally cannot comprehend a world in which you hit the "Start" key on the keyboard?

/ta-dah, no metro, switch back when you disconnect
 
2013-04-03 06:38:12 PM

LasersHurt: skozlaw: meanmutton: Surface Pro is something amazing

If the UI turned into a properly functioning desktop UI when I plugged in a keyboard and mouse and went back to Metro when I was using the device as a tablet I'd be on it in a minute. But I'm not paying $900+ to deal with that awful Frankengui that doesn't know what it wants to be and does as much as it can to get in the way as a result.

You literally cannot comprehend a world in which you hit the "Start" key on the keyboard?

/ta-dah, no metro, switch back when you disconnect


I don't think you understand. It really is that difficult for them.
 
2013-04-03 07:02:21 PM

LasersHurt: You literally cannot comprehend a world in which you hit the "Start" key on the keyboard?


What does that have to do with anything I said?
 
2013-04-03 07:04:55 PM

skozlaw: LasersHurt: You literally cannot comprehend a world in which you hit the "Start" key on the keyboard?

What does that have to do with anything I said?


You said you wanted the Metro UI to go away when you plugged in a mouse and keyboard and let you use it like a normal computer. That's all you have to do to dismiss Metro and go to the desktop. Then you can do the normal desktop stuff. Tap Windows again to show Metro when you're done.
 
2013-04-03 07:17:37 PM

LasersHurt: You said you wanted the Metro UI to go away when you plugged in a mouse and keyboard and let you use it like a normal computer. That's all you have to do to dismiss Metro and go to the desktop. Then you can do the normal desktop stuff. Tap Windows again to show Metro when you're done.


Look, I know you think you're really clever with your ceaseless 'hrr hrr you just don't know how to use the Windows keyboard key' crap, but you're not. And at some point you're just going to have to accept the fact that it's a badly designed system that people find unpleasant and inconvenient to use and that you people who don't mind it are in a tiny little minority.

IT people don't like it, usability experts have panned it, and, most importantly, consumers have completely rejected it on both the tablet and, especially, the PC. It now has a lower adoption rate than Vista did at this point and Vista was a spectacular failure. Barring significant improvements in the form of an SP or something, it doesn't look likely that this will change.

It's just a bad UI. Bad enough that it overwhelms the few improvements 8 has to offer over 7. That's all there is to it. People. Don't. Like. It. It's not about not be willing to learn something new or that you're just so much smarter than everyone else, it's about the fact that the new thing you're supposed to learn isn't any good. Some day you will have to acknowledge that fact.
 
2013-04-03 07:43:36 PM

skozlaw: LasersHurt: You said you wanted the Metro UI to go away when you plugged in a mouse and keyboard and let you use it like a normal computer. That's all you have to do to dismiss Metro and go to the desktop. Then you can do the normal desktop stuff. Tap Windows again to show Metro when you're done.

Look, I know you think you're really clever with your ceaseless 'hrr hrr you just don't know how to use the Windows keyboard key' crap, but you're not. And at some point you're just going to have to accept the fact that it's a badly designed system that people find unpleasant and inconvenient to use and that you people who don't mind it are in a tiny little minority.

IT people don't like it, usability experts have panned it, and, most importantly, consumers have completely rejected it on both the tablet and, especially, the PC. It now has a lower adoption rate than Vista did at this point and Vista was a spectacular failure. Barring significant improvements in the form of an SP or something, it doesn't look likely that this will change.

It's just a bad UI. Bad enough that it overwhelms the few improvements 8 has to offer over 7. That's all there is to it. People. Don't. Like. It. It's not about not be willing to learn something new or that you're just so much smarter than everyone else, it's about the fact that the new thing you're supposed to learn isn't any good. Some day you will have to acknowledge that fact.


We want the average device easy enough to use so that anybody can upload themselves beating the shiat out of their daughter to YouTube with a crack of the belt. We expect to have 1000 new Justin Biebers by next quarter because absolute brilliance will be documented and uploaded for anyone who happens to flick their wrist across the screen in the right direction.
 
2013-04-03 07:43:39 PM

skozlaw: LasersHurt: You said you wanted the Metro UI to go away when you plugged in a mouse and keyboard and let you use it like a normal computer. That's all you have to do to dismiss Metro and go to the desktop. Then you can do the normal desktop stuff. Tap Windows again to show Metro when you're done.

Look, I know you think you're really clever with your ceaseless 'hrr hrr you just don't know how to use the Windows keyboard key' crap, but you're not. And at some point you're just going to have to accept the fact that it's a badly designed system that people find unpleasant and inconvenient to use and that you people who don't mind it are in a tiny little minority.

IT people don't like it, usability experts have panned it, and, most importantly, consumers have completely rejected it on both the tablet and, especially, the PC. It now has a lower adoption rate than Vista did at this point and Vista was a spectacular failure. Barring significant improvements in the form of an SP or something, it doesn't look likely that this will change.

It's just a bad UI. Bad enough that it overwhelms the few improvements 8 has to offer over 7. That's all there is to it. People. Don't. Like. It. It's not about not be willing to learn something new or that you're just so much smarter than everyone else, it's about the fact that the new thing you're supposed to learn isn't any good. Some day you will have to acknowledge that fact.


That's a hilarious screed.
 
2013-04-03 08:06:20 PM

skozlaw: LasersHurt: You said you wanted the Metro UI to go away when you plugged in a mouse and keyboard and let you use it like a normal computer. That's all you have to do to dismiss Metro and go to the desktop. Then you can do the normal desktop stuff. Tap Windows again to show Metro when you're done.

Look, I know you think you're really clever with your ceaseless 'hrr hrr you just don't know how to use the Windows keyboard key' crap, but you're not. And at some point you're just going to have to accept the fact that it's a badly designed system that people find unpleasant and inconvenient to use and that you people who don't mind it are in a tiny little minority.

IT people don't like it, usability experts have panned it, and, most importantly, consumers have completely rejected it on both the tablet and, especially, the PC. It now has a lower adoption rate than Vista did at this point and Vista was a spectacular failure. Barring significant improvements in the form of an SP or something, it doesn't look likely that this will change.

It's just a bad UI. Bad enough that it overwhelms the few improvements 8 has to offer over 7. That's all there is to it. People. Don't. Like. It. It's not about not be willing to learn something new or that you're just so much smarter than everyone else, it's about the fact that the new thing you're supposed to learn isn't any good. Some day you will have to acknowledge that fact.


Microsoft shills are like Libertarians.  No matter how demonstrably wrong they are, they'll insist that you just don't understand.
 
2013-04-04 12:15:02 AM
People, people, I think you're all missing the real point here!

The real point is that Apple is moving up in the world! They finally topped Windows Vista!

Break out the champagne!
 
2013-04-04 02:09:43 AM
I use a Surface RT, it was a gift.  That being said, I thoroughly enjoy it.

I'm weird. I know. You'll probably laugh at me too for getting it as a gift, but after using Android (and it's lack of adapting to the tablet scene, many apps are either improperly labeled or not meant for a tablet's resolution), Apple (it's lack of productivity suite that comes out of the box), and Blackberry (Yes, I used all three tablets extensively at some point) - I find the surface can stutter a little, it has its quirks and it has its issues.

I just enjoy that I don't have to carry around my laptop or be at a desktop to open up files people send me via e-mail, since the thing can open them natively. I can read text on it just fine and it isn't as incapable as some people have reviewed it to be, it's actually very functional.

Everyone was expecting an iPad competitor, but in all seriousness, the Surface falls somewhere between the iPad as a consumption device and a standard laptop as a production device. Everyone expects that Android should compete with Apple, but I think it should begin to innovate rather than copypasta.

Apple needs to have the market producing products like the Surface RT and Nexus et al. family - otherwise, you get incremental upgrades like the iPad 3 to iPad 4. Android is still too fragmented, for my tastes. I really am sick of people thinking they need to copy.
 
2013-04-04 08:14:05 AM

anfrind: skozlaw: LasersHurt: You said you wanted the Metro UI to go away when you plugged in a mouse and keyboard and let you use it like a normal computer. That's all you have to do to dismiss Metro and go to the desktop. Then you can do the normal desktop stuff. Tap Windows again to show Metro when you're done.

Look, I know you think you're really clever with your ceaseless 'hrr hrr you just don't know how to use the Windows keyboard key' crap, but you're not. And at some point you're just going to have to accept the fact that it's a badly designed system that people find unpleasant and inconvenient to use and that you people who don't mind it are in a tiny little minority.

IT people don't like it, usability experts have panned it, and, most importantly, consumers have completely rejected it on both the tablet and, especially, the PC. It now has a lower adoption rate than Vista did at this point and Vista was a spectacular failure. Barring significant improvements in the form of an SP or something, it doesn't look likely that this will change.

It's just a bad UI. Bad enough that it overwhelms the few improvements 8 has to offer over 7. That's all there is to it. People. Don't. Like. It. It's not about not be willing to learn something new or that you're just so much smarter than everyone else, it's about the fact that the new thing you're supposed to learn isn't any good. Some day you will have to acknowledge that fact.

Microsoft shills are like Libertarians.  No matter how demonstrably wrong they are, they'll insist that you just don't understand.


He's complaining about stuff that is easily explained.  You want the desktop hit one button, you want to bind to AD guess what you can't have the home use device.  My god stop complaining so much.  It makes more sense if you are not frothing at the mouth.  I don't have an RT and like I said up post the only reason being is the price.  Had they came in at $199 or $299 more developers would make apps since more people would buy it,  I would have just to play around with.  I loved my Windows Phone and the Metro gui isn't that bad, now taking away the start bar was a dumb move.  If you want that back (and yes you really do need that back) I recommend Pokki which does a lot of cool things.
 
2013-04-04 08:30:48 AM

TNel: It makes more sense if you are not frothing at the mouth


Yea. Right. Frothing at the mouth.

So, do you or do you not have any sensible explanation for why Surface RT and Windows 8 have such abysmal sales and adoption rates? Are you seriously sticking with the utterly retarded argument that the HUGE number of people who dislike it and see no reason to buy it are all just stupid?
 
2013-04-04 09:01:56 AM

skozlaw: TNel: It makes more sense if you are not frothing at the mouth

Yea. Right. Frothing at the mouth.

So, do you or do you not have any sensible explanation for why Surface RT and Windows 8 have such abysmal sales and adoption rates? Are you seriously sticking with the utterly retarded argument that the HUGE number of people who dislike it and see no reason to buy it are all just stupid?


We've been telling you forever the price of the RT is why it didn't take off but yet you don't want to listen to that.  Windows 8 is a great OS, it's a lot faster than 7 but it does have it's faults like I said above.  The reason not many are upgrading to 8 is because 7 is a very good OS and people don't like change so they wont play with Metro.  Metro does take some time getting used to just like the ribbon bar in Office.  If you look at Metro like it's your start bar then it makes slightly more sense.
 
2013-04-04 09:56:11 AM
Is this a surprise?
Microsoft has pretty much f*cked up every consumer product it's ever launched. Zune, Windows Phone, Kin, etc...

And it isn't because of price or Tech issues, it's because of stupid marketing decisions that confuse and frustrate their customers.  (we can also talk about the TV adverts).

This is a company that decided to market home, media, home server, business, small business, enterprise and professional versions of their flagship operating system and application suite. This is a company that has to offer a course on how to understand their business licensing issues.

So now you have Microsoft making a tablet with the Windows RT OS, so that should work pretty well with windows. I mean it's right there in the farking Name. And it doesn't, if you want closer to a windows experience you need to pony up an extra $600, you can get two (if not 3) nice laptops for $1200.
 
2013-04-04 12:24:40 PM

Komplex: Is this a surprise?
Microsoft has pretty much f*cked up every consumer product it's ever launched. Zune, Windows Phone, Kin, etc...

And it isn't because of price or Tech issues, it's because of stupid marketing decisions that confuse and frustrate their customers.  (we can also talk about the TV adverts).

This is a company that decided to market home, media, home server, business, small business, enterprise and professional versions of their flagship operating system and application suite. This is a company that has to offer a course on how to understand their business licensing issues.

So now you have Microsoft making a tablet with the Windows RT OS, so that should work pretty well with windows. I mean it's right there in the farking Name. And it doesn't, if you want closer to a windows experience you need to pony up an extra $600, you can get two (if not 3) nice laptops for $1200.


You say price isn't the reason then talk about the price of the tablet. Maybe price is a huge factor.
 
2013-04-04 01:28:41 PM

TNel: Komplex: Is this a surprise?
Microsoft has pretty much f*cked up every consumer product it's ever launched. Zune, Windows Phone, Kin, etc...

And it isn't because of price or Tech issues, it's because of stupid marketing decisions that confuse and frustrate their customers.  (we can also talk about the TV adverts).

This is a company that decided to market home, media, home server, business, small business, enterprise and professional versions of their flagship operating system and application suite. This is a company that has to offer a course on how to understand their business licensing issues.

So now you have Microsoft making a tablet with the Windows RT OS, so that should work pretty well with windows. I mean it's right there in the farking Name. And it doesn't, if you want closer to a windows experience you need to pony up an extra $600, you can get two (if not 3) nice laptops for $1200.

You say price isn't the reason then talk about the price of the tablet. Maybe price is a huge factor.


And yet Apple and Samsung can move units at that price.


The problem isn't price, it's value. WinRT just isn't worth it.
 
2013-04-04 02:04:40 PM

TNel: Komplex: Is this a surprise?
Microsoft has pretty much f*cked up every consumer product it's ever launched. Zune, Windows Phone, Kin, etc...

And it isn't because of price or Tech issues, it's because of stupid marketing decisions that confuse and frustrate their customers.  (we can also talk about the TV adverts).

This is a company that decided to market home, media, home server, business, small business, enterprise and professional versions of their flagship operating system and application suite. This is a company that has to offer a course on how to understand their business licensing issues.

So now you have Microsoft making a tablet with the Windows RT OS, so that should work pretty well with windows. I mean it's right there in the farking Name. And it doesn't, if you want closer to a windows experience you need to pony up an extra $600, you can get two (if not 3) nice laptops for $1200.

You say price isn't the reason then talk about the price of the tablet. Maybe price is a huge factor.


You're an idiot because Windows 8 works for you and it doesn't for me. You don't understand. Everybody says it sucks and everyone who uses it and says it doesn't suck is a jerk because they are always trying call me stupid like you are. I'm not stupid. So don't call me it. I got all these numbers and articles backing me on how much it sucks and I don't care if it works for you because these people don't lie. It's not worth it. Mouse doesn't work in Metro. Two internet explorers. Can't use the start key. Can't turn my computer off. Thanks, Bill Gates. Do you work for Microsoft?
 
2013-04-04 02:27:39 PM

Wholesale Ass: TNel: Komplex: Is this a surprise?
Microsoft has pretty much f*cked up every consumer product it's ever launched. Zune, Windows Phone, Kin, etc...

And it isn't because of price or Tech issues, it's because of stupid marketing decisions that confuse and frustrate their customers.  (we can also talk about the TV adverts).

This is a company that decided to market home, media, home server, business, small business, enterprise and professional versions of their flagship operating system and application suite. This is a company that has to offer a course on how to understand their business licensing issues.

So now you have Microsoft making a tablet with the Windows RT OS, so that should work pretty well with windows. I mean it's right there in the farking Name. And it doesn't, if you want closer to a windows experience you need to pony up an extra $600, you can get two (if not 3) nice laptops for $1200.

You say price isn't the reason then talk about the price of the tablet. Maybe price is a huge factor.

You're an idiot because Windows 8 works for you and it doesn't for me. You don't understand. Everybody says it sucks and everyone who uses it and says it doesn't suck is a jerk because they are always trying call me stupid like you are. I'm not stupid. So don't call me it. I got all these numbers and articles backing me on how much it sucks and I don't care if it works for you because these people don't lie. It's not worth it. Mouse doesn't work in Metro. Two internet explorers. Can't use the start key. Can't turn my computer off. Thanks, Bill Gates. Do you work for Microsoft?


Bill Gates had nothing to do with Windows 8.  You should blame Steve Ballmer.
 
2013-04-04 03:07:48 PM

Wholesale Ass: TNel: Komplex: Is this a surprise?
Microsoft has pretty much f*cked up every consumer product it's ever launched. Zune, Windows Phone, Kin, etc...

And it isn't because of price or Tech issues, it's because of stupid marketing decisions that confuse and frustrate their customers.  (we can also talk about the TV adverts).

This is a company that decided to market home, media, home server, business, small business, enterprise and professional versions of their flagship operating system and application suite. This is a company that has to offer a course on how to understand their business licensing issues.

So now you have Microsoft making a tablet with the Windows RT OS, so that should work pretty well with windows. I mean it's right there in the farking Name. And it doesn't, if you want closer to a windows experience you need to pony up an extra $600, you can get two (if not 3) nice laptops for $1200.

You say price isn't the reason then talk about the price of the tablet. Maybe price is a huge factor.

You're an idiot because Windows 8 works for you and it doesn't for me. You don't understand. Everybody says it sucks and everyone who uses it and says it doesn't suck is a jerk because they are always trying call me stupid like you are. I'm not stupid. So don't call me it. I got all these numbers and articles backing me on how much it sucks and I don't care if it works for you because these people don't lie. It's not worth it. Mouse doesn't work in Metro. Two internet explorers. Can't use the start key. Can't turn my computer off. Thanks, Bill Gates. Do you work for Microsoft?


My mouse works fine with Metro, Start key gets you back to desktop, not having start bar is an issue.  The 2 IE versions is a bit stupid but it's not that big of a deal.  I turn mine off all the time so you must be a bit stupid if you can't figure out any of those things.  It took maybe 10 min of playing with it to get the gist of Windows 8.   No I don't work for MS, I'm just smart enough to figure things out instand of throwing my hands into the air and complaining.  I bet you hated Vista too.
 
2013-04-04 03:42:31 PM

TNel: Wholesale Ass: TNel: Komplex: Is this a surprise?
Microsoft has pretty much f*cked up every consumer product it's ever launched. Zune, Windows Phone, Kin, etc...

And it isn't because of price or Tech issues, it's because of stupid marketing decisions that confuse and frustrate their customers.  (we can also talk about the TV adverts).

This is a company that decided to market home, media, home server, business, small business, enterprise and professional versions of their flagship operating system and application suite. This is a company that has to offer a course on how to understand their business licensing issues.

So now you have Microsoft making a tablet with the Windows RT OS, so that should work pretty well with windows. I mean it's right there in the farking Name. And it doesn't, if you want closer to a windows experience you need to pony up an extra $600, you can get two (if not 3) nice laptops for $1200.

You say price isn't the reason then talk about the price of the tablet. Maybe price is a huge factor.

You're an idiot because Windows 8 works for you and it doesn't for me. You don't understand. Everybody says it sucks and everyone who uses it and says it doesn't suck is a jerk because they are always trying call me stupid like you are. I'm not stupid. So don't call me it. I got all these numbers and articles backing me on how much it sucks and I don't care if it works for you because these people don't lie. It's not worth it. Mouse doesn't work in Metro. Two internet explorers. Can't use the start key. Can't turn my computer off. Thanks, Bill Gates. Do you work for Microsoft?

My mouse works fine with Metro, Start key gets you back to desktop, not having start bar is an issue.  The 2 IE versions is a bit stupid but it's not that big of a deal.  I turn mine off all the time so you must be a bit stupid if you can't figure out any of those things.  It took maybe 10 min of playing with it to get the gist of Windows 8.   No I don't work for MS, I'm just sma ...


WHOOOOSH
 
Displayed 107 of 107 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report