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2013-04-03 10:47:48 AM
I'm a pretty mild-mannered man, but I could cut a b*tch after getting a robo-call.  "Hello....  Hellooo... oh it is a telemarketer who'll mispronounce my name, how quaint."

It is nice that calmer heads have been able to come up with an unarmed solution.
 
2013-04-03 11:17:59 AM
I just want the f*cking lawn service people to stop calling me. No I am not going back to you. Eat sh*t and die.
 
2013-04-03 11:27:34 AM
Why the hell would we want a nonviolent solution to people using robocallers to telemarket?

I'd think that violence- severe, cruel, gory, and sadistic violence- should be the first, best, and only option for such miserable wastes of flesh.
 
2013-04-03 11:29:44 AM
You know, I kind of feel bad for anyone named Becky or Rachel who actually do work for a company's Cardmember Services department.  "No, I really am! Don't hang up, it's not good news about your rates!"
 
2013-04-03 11:31:46 AM
Eliminate caller ID spoofing. The phone company can do it, because they have control over the layer 2 switches, which is how they're able to trace spoofed ID calls when the cops show up with a subpoena. Otherwise, they couldn't route the audio properly in the first place.
So, just have them do it all the time.

Then, when you can properly identify the robocallers, you can easily file suit against them and seize their equipment under an Anton Pillar order because they're likely to skip town and/or destroy records.

I'll take my $50,000 in one giant novelty check, please.
 
2013-04-03 11:40:55 AM

Theaetetus: Eliminate caller ID spoofing. The phone company can do it, because they have control over the layer 2 switches, which is how they're able to trace spoofed ID calls when the cops show up with a subpoena. Otherwise, they couldn't route the audio properly in the first place.
So, just have them do it all the time.

Then, when you can properly identify the robocallers, you can easily file suit against them and seize their equipment under an Anton Pillar order because they're likely to skip town and/or destroy records.

I'll take my $50,000 in one giant novelty check, please.


As a slight variation on this theme:  hold the phone companies that handle/route the call criminally liable for each caller-id packet that does not accurately identify the caller.  By criminally liable, I mean a fine in excess of $1,000.00 per occurance.  That alone would end the practice real fast.

Justification: intentionally transmitting incorrect data over a telephone line is considered fraud.  Intentionally facilitating this transmission makes you an accessory to fraud.

Just gotta do something about the "expectation of privacy" bullcrap that was used to allow withholding CID info when it first came about.
 
2013-04-03 11:43:55 AM
Includes a provision for "legal" robocallers.

I have a new phone number that has gone to a small number of people. I haven't updated anyone who had my old one, and I haven't updated my resumes. I've been woken up at 9:04am several times by robocallers so I know AT&T sold my number as soon as I got the new one.
 
2013-04-03 11:44:49 AM

plc5_250: Just gotta do something about the "expectation of privacy" bullcrap that was used to allow withholding CID info when it first came about.


Why should anyone have an expectation of privacy  from the person they're calling? Like, "I'm going to call you, but I don't want you to be able to know who I am?" It seems the only possible uses for that are harassment and fraud.
 
2013-04-03 11:44:59 AM
I'm opting for violence.  Preferably a fungo bat across their foreheads. Suitable alternatives are woodchippers, bamboo spikes under fingernails, and fireants.  Lot's of em.
 
2013-04-03 11:59:09 AM

Theaetetus: plc5_250: Just gotta do something about the "expectation of privacy" bullcrap that was used to allow withholding CID info when it first came about.

Why should anyone have an expectation of privacy  from the person they're calling? Like, "I'm going to call you, but I don't want you to be able to know who I am?" It seems the only possible uses for that are harassment and fraud.


I probably didn't communicate that point as well as I should have (mostly since I remember the big deal that was made when CallerID was introduced): the only reason that CID data can be blocked in the first place is because some people yelped about "privacy".  That is the bovine excrement I speak of.

If I read your comment correctly, you and I actually agree: if I were to call you, I have no expectation of privacy regarding my identity.  The current CID rules facililtate me remaining anonymous when calling you - and that is just wrong.
 
2013-04-03 12:00:39 PM

Theaetetus: Eliminate caller ID spoofing. The phone company can do it, because they have control over the layer 2 switches, which is how they're able to trace spoofed ID calls when the cops show up with a subpoena. Otherwise, they couldn't route the audio properly in the first place.
So, just have them do it all the time.

Then, when you can properly identify the robocallers, you can easily file suit against them and seize their equipment under an Anton Pillar order because they're likely to skip town and/or destroy records.

I'll take my $50,000 in one giant novelty check, please.


Are you suggesting that the phone companies would shut down their best customers?

/yeah i know we need a law for that
 
2013-04-03 12:02:09 PM

plc5_250: Theaetetus: Eliminate caller ID spoofing. The phone company can do it, because they have control over the layer 2 switches, which is how they're able to trace spoofed ID calls when the cops show up with a subpoena. Otherwise, they couldn't route the audio properly in the first place.
So, just have them do it all the time.

Then, when you can properly identify the robocallers, you can easily file suit against them and seize their equipment under an Anton Pillar order because they're likely to skip town and/or destroy records.

I'll take my $50,000 in one giant novelty check, please.

As a slight variation on this theme:  hold the phone companies that handle/route the call criminally liable for each caller-id packet that does not accurately identify the caller.  By criminally liable, I mean a fine in excess of $1,000.00 per occurance.  That alone would end the practice real fast.

Justification: intentionally transmitting incorrect data over a telephone line is considered fraud.  Intentionally facilitating this transmission makes you an accessory to fraud.

Just gotta do something about the "expectation of privacy" bullcrap that was used to allow withholding CID info when it first came about.


Maybe we could all get together and bribe some Congressmen on this issue.  We'll have to out lobby AT&T and Verizon, though, so it will get expensive.
 
2013-04-03 12:05:49 PM
Not all lobbying is cash based - just saying,,,,
 
2013-04-03 12:08:39 PM

plc5_250: Not all lobbying is cash based - just saying,,,,


Fine.  You can be in charge of the oral sex.
 
2013-04-03 12:19:28 PM

Marcus Aurelius: plc5_250: Not all lobbying is cash based - just saying,,,,

Fine.  You can be in charge of the oral sex.


For that, I would have to refer you to the fine ethical business folk who advertise on backpage --- so I have heard.  :)
 
2013-04-03 12:21:50 PM
When I read the headline, I heard Stone Cold Steve Austin in my head yelling, "Does anyone out there want a non-violent solution to this problem?"

As I'm typing this, it has changed to Male Voice #1 from Saint Row: The Third saying, "Violence can't solve everything, but it can solve most things."
 
2013-04-03 12:24:23 PM

bloatboy: When I read the headline, I heard Stone Cold Steve Austin in my head yelling, "Does anyone out there want a non-violent solution to this problem?"

As I'm typing this, it has changed to Male Voice #1 from Saint Row: The Third saying, "Violence can't solve everything, but it can solve most things."


That sounds more like Archer to me.
 
2013-04-03 12:39:18 PM

wildcardjack: Includes a provision for "legal" robocallers.


I don't care if you are "legal"
If I find you, I will make your life a living hell.

Don't call my house.
I will make you cry.
House rules.
 
2013-04-03 12:45:36 PM
This will never see the light of day.
 
2013-04-03 12:50:55 PM

vudukungfu: wildcardjack: Includes a provision for "legal" robocallers.

I don't care if you are "legal"
If I find you, I will make your life a living hell.

Don't call my house.
I will make you cry.
House rules.


I wouldn't make them cry.  I'd make them scream.  And no, not in an innuendo-esque good way, either.  I'M GOIN' IN DRY, BIATCH!!
 
2013-04-03 12:51:30 PM
I get 3-5 scam robocalls a day, mainly the Rachel from Cardmember Services scam.

What I truly do not understand is how a criminal organization that damn incompetent can last so long.  I waste as much of their operators times as possible (and the operators are all incompetent at scamming) and yet, even after 15+ months of calling me, they do not sanitize their call lists at all.

If I wasn't falling for it in the first 100 times, do they REALLY think I'll fall for it after the 300th?
 
2013-04-03 12:56:07 PM

akula: Why the hell would we want a nonviolent solution to people using robocallers to telemarket?


When we bring back the guillotine for our corporate masters, I would not be against having telemarketers being placed at the front of the line.
 
2013-04-03 12:58:56 PM

plc5_250: I probably didn't communicate that point as well as I should have (mostly since I remember the big deal that was made when CallerID was introduced): the only reason that CID data can be blocked in the first place is because some people yelped about "privacy". That is the bovine excrement I speak of.

If I read your comment correctly, you and I actually agree: if I were to call you, I have no expectation of privacy regarding my identity. The current CID rules facililtate me remaining anonymous when calling you - and that is just wrong.


Simple.

If you can block CID then I should be able to refuse calls from numbers where the CID is blocked.  And by I should be able to refuse, I mean I should be able to enter a code on my account and have all such calls automatically go to hell.

Someone somewhere associated my cell phone with someone named Cathy.  I've had the number for more than 10 years so it shouldn't be a holdover from the previous owner of the number.  I am constantly getting real calls for her.  The old give us your bank account information and we'll send you a $7,500 refund from the government.  I've attempted talking nice, I've been not nice, hell the next to last time I talked with them, I told them Cathy was dead.  They still call.

I can maybe understand spamming robocalls because the expense is fixed.  You've got the equipment and the line and it's just throwing calls out there.  But when it's a real person making the calls?  They're wasting their time talking to me over and over again.  I'm never going to give them my bank account, SSN, or Credit Card number.  They're never going to get any money from me.  I know they're just paying Bob $.05 per hour or whatever for the calls.  But seriously.  It shouldn't be cost effective.
 
2013-04-03 01:05:08 PM

wildcardjack: Includes a provision for "legal" robocallers.

I have a new phone number that has gone to a small number of people. I haven't updated anyone who had my old one, and I haven't updated my resumes. I've been woken up at 9:04am several times by robocallers so I know AT&T sold my number as soon as I got the new one.


Um.  More likely, the "robo" caller is just dialing all numbers in an exchange, one by one.  When your number was unassigned, the call didn't go through.  Now that it's assigned, the call goes through and suddenly, welcome to "Aooogah!  Aooogah!  This is your Captain speaking!".  Didn't you see War Games?
 
2013-04-03 01:12:39 PM
What listening to my voice mail sounds like:

"...will be in your neighborhood testing water. To learn more about this valuable service stay on the line, or press 1 to be removed from our contact list..."
"...is no problem with your account. But it is urgent you call us to find out about great ways to lower your interest rate on your current cards..."
"...warranty is running out. For a low-cost way to extend your car insurance press 1 to hear more, or press 2 to be removed from our list...."
"...entry was selected as winner of a cruise for two! To claim your prize, press 1 now to speak with a representative..."

It's the farking twenty-first century, you can't program your robot to figure out it's listening to a recorded message?
 
2013-04-03 01:23:28 PM
absent from the video ending about all the features--an audio explanation of "inexpensive".  i guess it aint free but that's maybe one of the most important details i'd like to know.

still, it's interesting, but robocallers will find a way around it.  they always do.
 
2013-04-03 01:35:25 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: It's the farking twenty-first century, you can't program your robot to figure out it's listening to a recorded message?


Why bother?  It's not their time they're wasting.  It's yours.
 
2013-04-03 01:38:46 PM

plc5_250: Theaetetus: plc5_250: Just gotta do something about the "expectation of privacy" bullcrap that was used to allow withholding CID info when it first came about.

Why should anyone have an expectation of privacy  from the person they're calling? Like, "I'm going to call you, but I don't want you to be able to know who I am?" It seems the only possible uses for that are harassment and fraud.

I probably didn't communicate that point as well as I should have (mostly since I remember the big deal that was made when CallerID was introduced): the only reason that CID data can be blocked in the first place is because some people yelped about "privacy".  That is the bovine excrement I speak of.

If I read your comment correctly, you and I actually agree: if I were to call you, I have no expectation of privacy regarding my identity.  The current CID rules facililtate me remaining anonymous when calling you - and that is just wrong.


Oh, absolutely. We're in agreement. It's total bullshiat.
 
2013-04-03 01:39:48 PM

BizarreMan: I can maybe understand spamming robocalls because the expense is fixed. You've got the equipment and the line and it's just throwing calls out there. But when it's a real person making the calls? They're wasting their time talking to me over and over again. I'm never going to give them my bank account, SSN, or Credit Card number. They're never going to get any money from me. I know they're just paying Bob $.05 per hour or whatever for the calls. But seriously. It shouldn't be cost effective.


That's why I don't understand how scammers this incompetent can last so long.  When possible, I waste as much time of theirs as possible.  Sometimes just leaving the phone connected and saying a random word while they yell "hello?  HELLO?"
 
2013-04-03 01:42:30 PM
One tip I have heard is to record your voice mail greeting to start with the three "this number is not in service" tones. You can find recordings of them online. Then, let unidentified callers go to voice mail - their autodialers will pick up the tones, and  supposedly will remove your number from their database since it's apparently not in service.
I don't know how well it works, though.
 
2013-04-03 01:51:01 PM

Theaetetus: plc5_250: Theaetetus: plc5_250: Just gotta do something about the "expectation of privacy" bullcrap that was used to allow withholding CID info when it first came about.

Why should anyone have an expectation of privacy  from the person they're calling? Like, "I'm going to call you, but I don't want you to be able to know who I am?" It seems the only possible uses for that are harassment and fraud.

I probably didn't communicate that point as well as I should have (mostly since I remember the big deal that was made when CallerID was introduced): the only reason that CID data can be blocked in the first place is because some people yelped about "privacy".  That is the bovine excrement I speak of.

If I read your comment correctly, you and I actually agree: if I were to call you, I have no expectation of privacy regarding my identity.  The current CID rules facililtate me remaining anonymous when calling you - and that is just wrong.

Oh, absolutely. We're in agreement. It's total bullshiat.


Caller ID doesn't really tell you who is calling. It tells you who pays the phone bill.

Peon: "Too sick to come in, sorry"

Boss checks caller ID... Kentucky Downs ... "You're fired"
 
2013-04-03 01:51:46 PM
Hallo?  This is "Julie" calling on behalf of Nomorobo. Can I have a few minutes of your time to explain our offer?
 
2013-04-03 01:53:41 PM

wildcardjack: Includes a provision for "legal" robocallers.

I have a new phone number that has gone to a small number of people. I haven't updated anyone who had my old one, and I haven't updated my resumes. I've been woken up at 9:04am several times by robocallers so I know AT&T sold my number as soon as I got the new one.


Lay off Ma Bell.  The robots will call every number in sequence.

I know because I often get the same wonderfull opportunity on my business line, followed by ringing my personal No Call List land line.

Why SURE!   I'll buy a home security system from a company that laughs at the law!
 
2013-04-03 01:55:20 PM

Ace Rimmer: Caller ID doesn't really tell you who is calling. It tells you who pays the phone bill.


And since I want to file suit against the person paying the phone bill, not the telemarketing phone sale mook making $.10/call, I'm fine with that limitation.
 
2013-04-03 01:57:40 PM
From another article: The Weeners to the FTC's cry for help was not encouraging: many of the submissions were technologically thin, duplicative, or overly simplistic, and the entire endeavor seemed to attract a certain type of politically-engaged, stay-at-home crazy person.

I bet it had something to do with punch in a code on your phone and electrocution, which is not violent provided the government mandates a law that states: "to answer phone you must stand in a pan of water that is fully ground via your crotch."
.
 
2013-04-03 01:58:04 PM
How about a marketing campaign to increase awareness of the hefty ($16,000) fine for unsolicited robocalls, and a program that awards a portion of the proceeds of that fine directly to the reporting person?
 
2013-04-03 02:00:04 PM
The Weeners to the FTC's cry for help was not encouraging: many of the submissions were technologically thin, duplicative, or overly simplistic, and the entire endeavor seemed to attract a certain type of politically-engaged, stay-at-home crazy person.


Hmmmm. Where did "wieners" come from?

/I think I broke Fark with the copy and paste//.,.d/mcksdncvjsdf;njvbuidvsdfiuv
 
2013-04-03 02:00:42 PM

Theaetetus: One tip I have heard is to record your voice mail greeting to start with the three "this number is not in service" tones. You can find recordings of them online. Then, let unidentified callers go to voice mail - their autodialers will pick up the tones, and  supposedly will remove your number from their database since it's apparently not in service.
I don't know how well it works, though.


Same as the TeleZapper, which I have.   You, rarely, get a call that hangs up after you pick up and the zapper makes the beep.  It's just about as annoying.

What makes my life more pleasant is the call clocking on my Panasonic wireless phone, but that will only store 10 or 20 numbers.  Just give me a way to press a button or two add that number to my blocked callers list, and make the list capable of holding hundreds of numbers.

Some are persistent, calling at the same time 3 times a day.   My robo-phone will hang up on you as often as your robo calls.
 
2013-04-03 02:01:23 PM
I mean weeners...

Lets try without Italics.... Does not show up in preview...

The Weeners to the FTC's cry for help was not encouraging: many of the submissions were technologically thin, duplicative, or overly simplistic, and the entire endeavor seemed to attract a certain type of politically-engaged, stay-at-home crazy person.
 
2013-04-03 02:02:55 PM
Weeners

comes up as weeners

i n i t i a l r e s p o n s e
 
2013-04-03 02:03:46 PM

sheep snorter: I mean weeners...

Lets try without Italics.... Does not show up in preview...

The Weeners to the FTC's cry for help was not encouraging: many of the submissions were technologically thin, duplicative, or overly simplistic, and the entire endeavor seemed to attract a certain type of politically-engaged, stay-at-home crazy person.


sheepsnorterseems to *really* like Weeners.
 
2013-04-03 02:04:06 PM
Use of unnecessary violence in apprehension of the Blues Brothers  RoboCallers. . . has been approved.

/maybe we need Ford Prefect on the case
//beep beep beep
 
2013-04-03 02:04:37 PM
Thats the weirdest farking thing........
 
2013-04-03 02:09:12 PM
Everyone, point and laugh at sheep snorter.
 
2013-04-03 02:11:31 PM

Theaetetus: Ace Rimmer: Caller ID doesn't really tell you who is calling. It tells you who pays the phone bill.

And since I want to file suit against the person paying the phone bill, not the telemarketing phone sale mook making $.10/call, I'm fine with that limitation.


I was just addressing the privacy issue that you dismissed as BS. An individual may not care you know who they are, but may not want you to know where they are.

As far as a company calling ... yeah, fark em I agree.
 
2013-04-03 02:12:56 PM

Treygreen13: sheep snorter: I mean weeners...

Lets try without Italics.... Does not show up in preview...

The Weeners to the FTC's cry for help was not encouraging: many of the submissions were technologically thin, duplicative, or overly simplistic, and the entire endeavor seemed to attract a certain type of politically-engaged, stay-at-home crazy person.

sheepsnorterseems to *really* like Weeners.


NTTAWWT.
 
2013-04-03 02:14:52 PM

sheep snorter: Thats the weirdest farking thing........


Try typing in "ni*BONG*" and see what comes out (where *BONG* is the sounds an angry dog makes).
 
2013-04-03 02:15:03 PM
I so do love the Fark filters, especially when they fark up..

Weeners

If that says weeners then

initial

response
 
2013-04-03 02:16:08 PM
nibark
 
2013-04-03 02:17:51 PM
 
2013-04-03 02:18:01 PM

Marcus Aurelius: sheep snorter: Thats the weirdest farking thing........

Try typing in "ni*BONG*" and see what comes out (where *BONG* is the sounds an angry dog makes).


nigrowl
 
2013-04-03 02:18:26 PM

sheep snorter: nibark


Angrier.
 
2013-04-03 02:19:02 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Marcus Aurelius: sheep snorter: Thats the weirdest farking thing........

Try typing in "ni*BONG*" and see what comes out (where *BONG* is the sounds an angry dog makes).

nigrowl


You're getting warmer!
 
2013-04-03 02:19:33 PM

Marcus Aurelius: sheep snorter: Thats the weirdest farking thing........

Try typing in "ni*BONG*" and see what comes out (where *BONG* is the sounds an angry dog makes).


niruff
 
2013-04-03 02:19:37 PM
OK, OK, it's "niarf", you fools.
 
2013-04-03 02:27:33 PM
An angry Nigerian dog can't make much noise when hes got the other dogs tail in his mouth.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-03 02:30:05 PM
well, we do need to do something with the astrodome, perhaps we should lock them in there until we figure out a solution for what to do with the astrodome
 
2013-04-03 02:35:02 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Treygreen13: sheep snorter: I mean weeners...

Lets try without Italics.... Does not show up in preview...

The Weeners to the FTC's cry for help was not encouraging: many of the submissions were technologically thin, duplicative, or overly simplistic, and the entire endeavor seemed to attract a certain type of politically-engaged, stay-at-home crazy person.

sheepsnorterseems to *really* like Weeners.

NTTAWWT.


sheep snorter: I so do love the Fark filters, especially when they fark up..

Weeners

If that says weeners then

initial

response


Two more.  I think his subconcious is sending a message.
 
2013-04-03 02:47:36 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Marcus Aurelius: sheep snorter: Thats the weirdest farking thing........

Try typing in "ni*BONG*" and see what comes out (where *BONG* is the sounds an angry dog makes).

nigrowl

You're getting warmer!


nimoo?

/Sorry, underprivileged as a kid, and all I had to play with was a broken See-n-Say with a badly calibrated dial, so I'm not too good with animal noises.
 
2013-04-03 03:15:03 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't get any robo-calls?

I mean, indeed they should be illegal if you're on the Do Not Call list.

I am, and I've never gotten one.  Well, except sometimes from my electric company telling me they're servicing my area.  But that's not what we're talking about here.
 
2013-04-03 03:15:17 PM
img1.fark.net
img1.fark.net
img1.fark.net

/Alrighty then. Off to foobies.com
 
2013-04-03 03:18:51 PM

downstairs: Am I the only one that doesn't get any robo-calls?

I mean, indeed they should be illegal if you're on the Do Not Call list.

I am, and I've never gotten one.  Well, except sometimes from my electric company telling me they're servicing my area.  But that's not what we're talking about here.


I got a few for a while. Reported them and they stopped.

The most annoying calls I get now are from some service I've signed up for (electric, cable, etc.) where they call me and then a machine says, "Please hold for a representative."

I just hang up. If they do ever call back again, I hang up until a real person calls. I'm not going to go on hold the second a call starts.
 
2013-04-03 03:38:29 PM
Ugh.  I have been getting a call from an 800 number everyday, at random times, for the last two months.  No message is ever left.  I look up the digits and it's apparently related to some "debt collection and consolidation firm" in Minnesota.  GACK.

I have no debt other than my mortgage, which is current.

Leave me alone.
 
2013-04-03 03:44:15 PM

tennessee.hillbilly: Ugh.  I have been getting a call from an 800 number everyday, at random times, for the last two months.  No message is ever left.  I look up the digits and it's apparently related to some "debt collection and consolidation firm" in Minnesota.  GACK.

I have no debt other than my mortgage, which is current.

Leave me alone.


I got those for a while. Finally after about 10 calls someone actually answered for once. Asked if this was *myname*. I said yes, and then she said, "Could you tell me your social security number?"

I laughed at her. "Hell no, I'm not telling you my social security number. How ridiculous would it be if I called you at home and just blurted out that I wanted to know your social security number?"

She replied, "we're trying to collect on an outstanding balance for someone named *myname* so just tell me your social."

I told her she was not getting my social security number just because she called me. I told her I'd verify who I was another way, but I was not going to just give out my personal info to strangers on the phone. She gave me the deadbeat's middle name, and I told her that it wasn't my middle name and that they had the wrong guy.

They called for intermittently for 2 more weeks. Each time a different person, each time asking for that guy. I told each one of them that I was a different guy with a different middle name. One day, they just stopped.
 
2013-04-03 04:03:32 PM

tennessee.hillbilly: Ugh.  I have been getting a call from an 800 number everyday, at random times, for the last two months.  No message is ever left.  I look up the digits and it's apparently related to some "debt collection and consolidation firm" in Minnesota.  GACK.

I have no debt other than my mortgage, which is current.

Leave me alone.


Treygreen13: tennessee.hillbilly: Ugh.  I have been getting a call from an 800 number everyday, at random times, for the last two months.  No message is ever left.  I look up the digits and it's apparently related to some "debt collection and consolidation firm" in Minnesota.  GACK.

I have no debt other than my mortgage, which is current.

Leave me alone.

I got those for a while. Finally after about 10 calls someone actually answered for once. Asked if this was *myname*. I said yes, and then she said, "Could you tell me your social security number?"

She replied, "we're trying to collect on an outstanding balance for someone named *myname* so just tell me your social."

They called for intermittently for 2 more weeks. Each time a different person, each time asking for that guy. I told each one of them that I was a different guy with a different middle name. One day, they just stopped.


I get these calls and they never really stop, just another day and another deadbeat somehow tied into my phone number they have neevr asked fro soemone with my name.  They call my business phone that is paid for by a reallybigcompany.  Telling them once, twice or three times never works.  Mr. Robato just gets reset to keep trying until Wimpy answers.   Thus my need for call blocking on the phone.

The insanity is not only that you are expected to take the time to wait for them to answer so you can tell them to stop calling.  You have to answers "You're not him?" at least 12 times. Then they still call.  The really stupid is when the message is "If you are not Mr. Wimpy please hang up."  and we'll keep calling.  We'll keep calling even if you tell us to stop.

I bough a foreclosure so of course that meant that I MUST know the previous owners and all of their deadbeat aliases.
 
2013-04-03 04:05:15 PM

netringer: I get these calls and they never really stop, just another day and another deadbeat somehow tied into my phone number they have neevr asked fro soemone with my name.  They call my business phone that is paid for by a reallybigcompany.  Telling them once, twice or three times never works.  Mr. Robato just gets reset to keep trying until Wimpy answers.   Thus my need for call blocking on the phone.

The insanity is not only that you are expected to take the time to wait for them to answer so you can tell them to stop calling.  You have to answers "You're not him?" at least 12 times. Then they still call.  The really stupid is when the message is "If you are not Mr. Wimpy please hang up."  and we'll keep calling.  We'll keep calling even if you tell us to stop.

I bough a foreclosure so of course that meant that I MUST know the previous owners and all of their deadbeat aliases.


Sounds like you need to talk to a lawyer.
 
2013-04-03 04:24:44 PM
Its fun buying or renting a home that had a deadbeat living in it. At least any collections stop calling once I answered and said "hasn't lived here for years".
Of course it also helps to know what the law states in regards to parasite collection agencies, for that one company that just doesn't understand the law.

Have a buddy that the cops showed up there looking for a deadbeat alimony, at least they were nice to him and knew that 5 years is kinda dumb to think he was still living there. But the deadbeats mail still occasionally shows up, so paper trail to doom.
 
2013-04-03 04:27:16 PM
Then we step up to the ultraviolence....

Send in the droogs.
 
2013-04-03 04:27:35 PM
Individuals caught being knowingly associated with a "robocalling" company -- whether directly managing the company or willingly assisting in the operations of the company -- should be placed on a "robocaller facilitator registry", identifying their name, their current address, any phone numbers associated with them and the model and license plate information of any motor vehicle registered to them. Substantial legal penalties would be meted out for noncompliance (non-violent drug offenders could be released to add room to prisons, if necessary).

As the requirement is not itself violent, the registry would be technically non-violent.

/The best kind of non-violence.
 
2013-04-03 05:14:34 PM

bdub77: I just want the f*cking lawn service people to stop calling me. No I am not going back to you. Eat sh*t and die.


so much this. Every time they call I say, sure I'll come back if you cut your price in half and every time they get all butt hurt like I've just insulted them.

And the service sucked to boot. Always got excuses on why they couldn't come back out to re-treat as promised yet was constantly getting calls saying they were in the neighborhood and they could do this or that extra service for only another $75 or whatever.
 
2013-04-03 05:20:22 PM

netringer: I get these calls and they never really stop, just another day and another deadbeat somehow tied into my phone number they have neevr asked fro soemone with my name. They call my business phone that is paid for by a reallybigcompany. Telling them once, twice or three times never works. Mr. Robato just gets reset to keep trying until Wimpy answers. Thus my need for call blocking on the phone.

The insanity is not only that you are expected to take the time to wait for them to answer so you can tell them to stop calling. You have to answers "You're not him?" at least 12 times. Then they still call. The really stupid is when the message is "If you are not Mr. Wimpy please hang up." and we'll keep calling. We'll keep calling even if you tell us to stop.


They keep calling you back because they don't believe you.  If you really are the deadbeat you'll lie to them and tell them that you are not who they want you to be.  So they keep trying to trip you up.

Stupidity of all stupidity was when a bill collector called me looking for someone three doors down.  They knew exactly that they had called the wrong house/address.    It was all can you go to your neighbors house and give them a message?  I was like, I don't know the people who live in that house and I'm not going to go down there and talk to them for you.
 
2013-04-03 05:24:02 PM

spyderqueen: You know, I kind of feel bad for anyone named Becky or Rachel who actually do work for a company's Cardmember Services department.  "No, I really am! Don't hang up, it's not good news about your rates!"


OH MY GOD! I HATE THOSE farkING PEOPLE.

I'm on the No Call List yet they continue to call me 3-4 times a week.  I keep filing filing complaints with the FTC and they KEEP farkING CALLING ME.
 
2013-04-03 05:34:09 PM
I have found if you threaten to track down and kill the robocallers, they tend to stop.   I know it's illegal and all, but so is them calling me.  I've told two of them I have a good idea where they live and I plan to kill them in their sleep.  Never got a call again.

I do keep getting a call from this "FBI" scam now, though.
 
2013-04-03 05:43:28 PM

BizarreMan: They keep calling you back because they don't believe you.  If you really are the deadbeat you'll lie to them and tell them that you are not who they want you to be.  So they keep trying to trip you up.


I kinda doubt they put any thinking into it other than making it SOP that they dont' push the "delete this number" button until you scream at them for the 3rd time to stop calling.

I found that  http://www.fcc.gov/complaints worked pretty well, but filing a complaint is a pain.  I think with enough complaints the guvmint catches up on these guys after a year or two. Now that I get 3 calls a day from one scum or another selling duct cleaining or security systems, who has the time?

Stupidity of all stupidity was when a bill collector called me looking for someone three doors down.  They knew exactly that they had called the wrong house/address.    It was all can you go to your neighbors house and give them a message?  I was like, I don't know the people who live in that house and I'm not going to go down there and talk to them for you.

I once handed my neighbor the phone number to call because the guy calling was decent.  I'll never do that again.
 
2013-04-03 07:21:24 PM
Meh, we have the tech to get rid of robocalls. We simply do away with the current phone system and replace it with VOIP. Each call would be automatically backtraced; any call that the system couldn't authenticate by confirmed address would fail to go through. All of the information regarding identity of the owner of the phone calling would be available to the person being called. You could set your own filters, such as no calls routed through overseas servers. Prohibit proxies from routing such calls domestically. International proxies could be used but by configuring filters you could eliminate any international calls anyway.

Folks with far more knowledge on these things will say that I'm forgetting this-or-that or I'm being pants-on-head retarded, but it all depends on how many resources we're willing to throw at this problem. Our telecommunications system is already computerized. We could basically use the opportunity to reinvent the internet using an "I don't trust you" system rather than a "let's swap computer herpes on the first date" protocol system we have today, using it first for the phone system and then migrating over everything else over time. I keep reading computer security articles talking about how flawed the system is today for what we try to use it for.
 
2013-04-03 07:44:39 PM

akula: Why the hell would we want a nonviolent solution to people using robocallers to telemarket?

I'd think that violence- severe, cruel, gory, and sadistic violence- should be the first, best, and only option for such miserable wastes of flesh.


Yeah, but you're a shark.
 
2013-04-03 08:13:38 PM

BolloxReader: Meh, we have the tech to get rid of robocalls. We simply do away with the current phone system and replace it with VOIP. Each call would be automatically backtraced;



Consequences will never be the same!
 
rpm
2013-04-03 08:20:12 PM

BizarreMan: I am constantly getting real calls for her.  The old give us your bank account information and we'll send you a $7,500 refund from the government.  I've attempted talking nice, I've been not nice, hell the next to last time I talked with them, I told them Cathy was dead.  They still call.


Answer the phone "Department of Homeland Security, telephone fraud division, how may I help you?"

And yell to the background "Get that trace going"
 
2013-04-03 09:46:34 PM

rpm: BizarreMan: I am constantly getting real calls for her.  The old give us your bank account information and we'll send you a $7,500 refund from the government.  I've attempted talking nice, I've been not nice, hell the next to last time I talked with them, I told them Cathy was dead.  They still call.

Answer the phone "Department of Homeland Security, telephone fraud division, how may I help you?"

And yell to the background "Get that trace going"


I like that idea.
 
2013-04-03 10:26:26 PM
*shrug* I just say "Hello?"  and if there is any delay or click before the person begins talking, you know its a robo call, and I hang up.

Its actually pretty effortless.
 
2013-04-03 11:30:16 PM

netringer: Why SURE!   I'll buy a home security system from a company that laughs at the law!

I don't think that one's actually a robocall, but rather one or more trained monkeys who stick to a script.  The last time I got a call from those guys, I managed to throw him off-script by asking, "Are you a robot?"  (I think his response was "Wow, do I really sound that bad?" and then he got back to his script.)

I suppose he might have been a robot with the necessary voice recognition to respond to questions like that, but it seems unlikely.

rpm: Answer the phone "Department of Homeland Security, telephone fraud division, how may I help you?"

And yell to the background "Get that trace going"


I'm stealing that idea.
 
2013-04-03 11:56:41 PM
I always press "1" to speak to a live representative, then at some point in the spiel I say "I hope your ------- dies of -------" and then hang up. (I won't repeat the family member label and the condition out of respect to people here genuinely affected by that situation.)

Anyway, I'm hoping that if I rattle or horrify enough live operators, no one will work for the robocaller anymore.

Yeah, right.
 
2013-04-04 12:51:56 AM

BolloxReader: We simply do away with the current phone system and replace it with VOIP.


I'm pretty sure the phone system is already a digital packet switched network.  Cell phones for sure are. "Land lines" are just analog from your house to the local junction box where it's converted to a digital signal and sent over the phone network.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that the current system has been VOIP for a very long time.
 
2013-04-04 10:54:43 AM
Douchebag: Congratulations, in response to the ticket entry you submitted, you are now a winner of a chevy tahoe! 

Me:  That's weird, i never submitted something.

Douchebag:  Are you sure someone didn't submit something in your name?

Me:  Pretty sure.  What name do you have?

Douchebag: "............ uh"

Me: *Click*
 
2013-04-04 04:02:31 PM
How much would it cost me to get a 900 number at home? I've always felt that if the Call-Bots wanted to give me $4.95/ minute, I'll do my best to keep'em on the farkin' line As Long As I Can.
 
2013-04-04 07:43:24 PM
lol, just got my automated email response from the FCC about my lodged complaint 2 weeks ago.

Do Not reply to this email

Dear Consumer:
Re: Case # xx-xxxxxxx-x

Thank you for contacting the FCC regarding possible violations of the Telephone Consumer Protection Act ("TCPA") and the Commission's telemarketing and junk fax rules.   Information provided in consumer complaints like yours helps the Commission to combat abusive or unlawful practices in these areas, including taking enforcement actions against individuals or companies. In this regard, the Communications Act authorizes the Commission to issue citations and, in some cases, impose substantial fines upon entities that violate telemarketing and junk fax rules.
Although the Commission does not resolve individual complaints, each complaint is individually analyzed and assists us in enforcement actions to protect consumers like yourself.  You should be aware that the TCPA also provides for enforcement of the telemarketing and junk fax rules by state attorneys general and by individual consumers.  With respect to the latter, the TCPA permits individuals who have received certain unlawful telemarketing, such as junk faxes or telemarketing calls, to sue the violator in state courts where they may be awarded up to $1500 for each violation.

We invite you to visit the FCC's Consumer & Governmental Affairs Bureau's Internet web site at http://www.fcc.gov/cgb for more information. You may also call the FCC's Consumer Center toll free at 1-888-CALL-FCC [1-888-225-5322], TTY: 1-888-TELL-FCC [1-888-835-5322].

Sincerely,
Sharon C. Bowers, Division Chief
Consumer Inquiries & Complaints Division
Consumer & Governmental Affairs Bureau


Clearly, TOP MEN are on top of this.  They invited me to the website I went to in the first place for 'more information'.  Eh, what are you gonna do when they get 2000 of these every day .....
 
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