a) I doubt Biden would run UNDER Hillary
b) Rubio has as much a shot of making top billing as Perry, Cain and Bachmann.

Neither Clinton or Biden will be a serious contender in 2016.  Neither will even run.

Lord_Baull: b) Rubio has as much a shot of making top billing as Perry, Cain and Bachmann.

The party that would nominate Sarah Palin for national office is capable of anything.

Is it done?  Should we book it?

Philip Francis Queeg: Neither Clinton or Biden will be a serious contender in 2016.  Neither will even run.

I think Clinton may still run, if it continues to look like a freebie for the Dems.

Pretty much guaranteeing that none of those people will be on the ticket in any capacity in 2016

moriarty23: Philip Francis Queeg: Neither Clinton or Biden will be a serious contender in 2016.  Neither will even run.

I think Clinton may still run, if it continues to look like a freebie for the Dems.

I really don't think she will. If she still had the desire, she'd have stayed in the Senate, rather then taking State. As it is now, she has over 2 years out of the scene leading up to the primaries.

Rubio will not get the nod.  Once the elections get close, the republicans will panic and choose an establishment white 60+ candidate.  They will promote Rubio now to court the brown vote over the next few years, then will attempt a bait-n-switch.

I think Maddow had a segment a couple years back when the 2012 election season was starting up, where she showed that the republican candidate was always who ever was #2 in the party while the #1 guy was running.  Rubio was not in the picture stumping during Mitten's campaign.  Find the people who were supporting Mitt, and one of those people will be the nominee.

Christie may have a chance, but I doubt he will be forgiven for shaking Obama's hand when greeting him on the tarmac after Storm Sandy.  Republicans are oddly loyal/wait-your-turn and do not forgive slights.

Christie might currently poll the best against Clinton or Biden but that is before he would be forced to swing far right to get through the nomination process.  Either that, or he stays somewhat centrist and fails to get the nom.

Polls of 2013 candidates is pointless as those candidates won't exist in 2016.

Philip Francis Queeg: Neither Clinton or Biden will be a serious contender in 2016.  Neither will even run.

I would be very surprised if Hillary does not run.

No guarantees, but everything she is doing looks like campaign prep to me.

This seems like someone pulling guesses out of their ass. I think I will wait til we see candidates announce they are running and skip the prognostication.

My pick for a sleeper democratic candidate is Gavin_Newsom

Young, from CA, executive experience, hair

No and fark no.

He isn't ready for the White House (yet), but I can't wait for Cory Booker to go federal.

Hyjamon: I think Maddow had a segment a couple years back when the 2012 election season was starting up, where she showed that the republican candidate was always who ever was #2 in the party while the #1 guy was running.

Bush-to-McCain.  McCain-to-Romney.  Romney-to-... Santorum.  He had an impressive performance given his lack of funds and he *will* run for prez again, he wants to be Theocrat-in-Chief so badly.

monoski: This seems like someone pulling guesses out of their ass. I think I will wait til we see candidates announce they are running and skip the prognostication.

Sounds like someone didn't get any of the final four picks correct in their March madness brackets

Hyjamon: My pick for a sleeper democratic candidate is Gavin_Newsom

Young, from CA, executive experience, hair

Without knowing anything else about him... He looks like a douchebag.

the opposite of charity is justice: Hyjamon: I think Maddow had a segment a couple years back when the 2012 election season was starting up, where she showed that the republican candidate was always who ever was #2 in the party while the #1 guy was running.

Bush-to-McCain.  McCain-to-Romney.  Romney-to-... Santorum.  He had an impressive performance given his lack of funds and he *will* run for prez again, he wants to be Theocrat-in-Chief so badly.

Yep.  Santorum is far enough to the right to win the primary without flip-flopping on views, he doesn't give off the crazy vibe as much as Palin, Bachmann, et. al.  Has all the family value and religious man appearance the right likes.  Can use his religion as an angle to court hispanics.  Will still lose.

Longtime Lurker: Hyjamon: My pick for a sleeper democratic candidate is Gavin_Newsom

Young, from CA, executive experience, hair

Without knowing anything else about him... He looks like a douchebag.

Since this is politics, is douchebag a positive or negative quality to run for office?

There is also Clint Webb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ5cGYBV2TQ

Dammit, Feingold...  Where are ya?

Clinton is too goddamned old. And the Dems can find a better candidate than Biden, FFS.

The GOP has a mess on its hands, though.  Pretty pivotal year for them.

AntiNerd: Lord_Baull: b) Rubio has as much a shot of making top billing as Perry, Cain and Bachmann.

The party that would nominate Sarah Palin for national office is capable of anything.


Point of order. They nominated McCain, and McCain picked Palin.

I think the Dems are going to nominate Maryland governor Martin O'Malley. If Cory Booker gets into the Senate, he might run for President just to get his name out there in the public mind for a future election rather than actually trying to win this one.

For the Republicans, I don't know... maybe Mothra or Rodan.

Car_Ramrod: Longtime Lurker: Hyjamon: My pick for a sleeper democratic candidate is Gavin_Newsom

Young, from CA, executive experience, hair

Without knowing anything else about him... He looks like a douchebag.

He used to be mayor of SF. He is a douchebag. That's not an indictment of his policies (and I just mention SF because he was mayor when I first moved there), but as a person, he's kind of douchey. He was on Colbert a few weeks back, and while what he was talking about was pretty solid, his presentation was so smarmy and fake. The nation would not take kindly to him.

This.  He'd win California, but so would Justin Bieber if he had a D after his name.

Hyjamon: Young, from CA, executive experience, hair

Finally a candidate that can challenge Ronald Reagan for the best presidential hair of the last 30 years.

/Clinton had good hair but not as nice a Reagan's

I agree, Santorum will be the repub nominee, for all the reasons listed. And he will lose, badly, to whomever the Democrats run. And that will be the end of the repub Party because now there will be no more excuses, no more claims that the candidate is not a real conservative or that he has personality flaws that made him unlikable and unelectable or that he used his personal fortune to destroy his competition and buy the candidacy. Santorum is pretty much the perfect candidate of today's GOP. When he fails, they fail, permanently and without excuse.

Best part? Forever.

INeedAName: O'Malley, current governor of Md. He will run.

From what I've heard about him, he seems like a guy who would do a good job and really try to get things done, therefore he will not get the nomination.

Car_Ramrod: Longtime Lurker: Hyjamon: My pick for a sleeper democratic candidate is Gavin_Newsom

Young, from CA, executive experience, hair

Without knowing anything else about him... He looks like a douchebag.

He used to be mayor of SF. He is a douchebag. That's not an indictment of his policies (and I just mention SF because he was mayor when I first moved there), but as a person, he's kind of douchey. He was on Colbert a few weeks back, and while what he was talking about was pretty solid, his presentation was so smarmy and fake. The nation would not take kindly to him.

Sounds like another Edwards.

Altair: If  Chris Christie runs in 2016, I'm gonna be one nervous Democrat for a while.

But he won't, because he's not pure enough and wouldn't survive the primary process without at least a ton of baggage into the general.

The GOP decided on Nov to ignore trending and data so they could become a congressional regional party, not national one.

Longtime Lurker: Hyjamon: My pick for a sleeper democratic candidate is Gavin_Newsom

Young, from CA, executive experience, hair

Without knowing anything else about him... He looks like a douchebag.

Being from California, from the Bay Area, I can tell you with certainty...He is a douchebag

clambam: I agree, Santorum will be the repub nominee, for all the reasons listed. And he will lose, badly, to whomever the Democrats run. And that will be the end of the repub Party because now there will be no more excuses, no more claims that the candidate is not a real conservative or that he has personality flaws that made him unlikable and unelectable or that he used his personal fortune to destroy his competition and buy the candidacy. Santorum is pretty much the perfect candidate of today's GOP. When he fails, they fail, permanently and without excuse.

Best part? Forever.


I don't believe the Republican Establishment (the smart ones in the GOP, yes they exist) will ever let Santorum get to the general election.

SlothB77: With Christie/ Rubio, we lock up Florida and New Jersey. And PA, DE, VA, OH, NV and CO are all fair game.

Not unless you completely rewrite the Republican Platform.

Gavin Newsom is definitely a douchebag. And he went to Marin County's douchebaggiest public high school, Redwood. But Americans seem to like douchebags, so I wouldn't rule him out on that alone.

/And just look at that hair.

clambam: I agree, Santorum will be the repub nominee, for all the reasons listed. And he will lose, badly, to whomever the Democrats run. And that will be the end of the repub Party because now there will be no more excuses, no more claims that the candidate is not a real conservative or that he has personality flaws that made him unlikable and unelectable or that he used his personal fortune to destroy his competition and buy the candidacy. Santorum is pretty much the perfect candidate of today's GOP. When he fails, they fail, permanently and without excuse.

Best part? Forever.

You underestimate the Republican capacity for self-delusion.  There will always be more excuses.

No. I seriously doubt Hilary or Biden will run. Christie and Rubio might but neither will be the nominee. But I think Rob Portman is looking at a run, though unlikely a nomination, and a win is a trillion to one shot. Whoever the next nominees/potus is is not even on the radar yet.

/I say this as an ardent Clinton fan
//either Clinton. Both. Infact, all 3!

INeedAName: O'Malley, current governor of Md. He will run.

Plausible.