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(Talking Points Memo)   Prosecutor heading up the case against an Aryan hate group in Texas resigns over security reasons, sends letter to every member of the defense so their clients don't kill him like they killed the two other prosecutors   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 198
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2013-04-03 10:50:50 AM  

KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun


Maryland has it's share of "White Nationalist" and "Racist Skinhead" groups, but the two that stand out for me are the "General Hate" group and the "Racist Music" group.
 
2013-04-03 10:50:51 AM  

THX 1138: Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?

I did once.  Drove them to the bowling alley in my camper van.


With Beethoven on the stereo, no doubt.
 
2013-04-03 10:51:01 AM  

orclover: Mugato: the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active.

I'll take your word for it.

Dont know how bad Vidor is still these days.


Vidor currently has an active KKK community.  Checking around, it still has its sundowner status among locals and remains an example of the worst the deep south has to offer.
 
2013-04-03 10:51:13 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: the money is in the banana stand: So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.

But its not hyperbole when minor crime offenders are housed with heavier offenders, the private prison system does not take rehabilitation into account. It only requires warm bodies and cares little to nothing about how those warm bodies are put in there. From being behind on child support, to low level drug offenses, minor fraud, simple larceny, etc..

And many of those low level crimes are merely symptoms of larger issues at hand, like substance abuse, poor education, poverty, etc..

Just saying, often times we treat the criminal justice system like an axe.That we use to then cut off our hand, because we have a hang nail.


Cant fix stupid. Especially when the government of Texas and elsewhere down south is actively trying to preserve it, in order to preserve itself.

This is an unintended benefit, no doubt, but "education" and "assistance" and all those other code words that work up north are laughed at in the Great Republic Of
 
2013-04-03 10:51:54 AM  
So you are telling me that white supremacists are murderous asshats? Whodathunkit?
 
2013-04-03 10:52:59 AM  
Gecko Gingrich:

Maryland has it's share of "White Nationalist" and "Racist Skinhead" groups, but the two that stand out for me are the "General Hate" group and the "Racist Music" group.

All I can picture for general hate is Bill Hicks' 'People who hate people' party, which I'm oddly sort of charmed by.  I'm thinking the reality is more depressing.  Though racist music probably means shiat like Prussian Blue are popular.
 
2013-04-03 10:53:06 AM  

Mr_H: /25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north


Nah, the north doesn't care about the skin color of the trolls, so long as they bring the tourism dollars with them and buy plenty of pasties and fudge
 
2013-04-03 10:54:49 AM  

KhamanV: All I can picture for general hate is Bill Hicks' 'People who hate people' party, which I'm oddly sort of charmed by.


Yeah, I pictured the four emo kids who hang out behind South Park Elementary, and laughed.
 
2013-04-03 10:55:05 AM  

cman: mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.

Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away. Hell, one of their biggest allies is the Mexican Mafia, and we know how Aryan they are. Plus, their alliance with Italian mobs is a bit of a strange one, too.

I think that the AB is just another one of those prison gangs that is in it to make money. They do keep with the theme of hate because it is something that binds them together, but money speaks more than hate.

Nevertheless they are still dangerous and I still think they will kill a black man if given the opportunity.


so they're republicans then?
 
2013-04-03 10:55:06 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


Either/Or fallacy.
 
2013-04-03 10:56:52 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun

Maryland has it's share of "White Nationalist" and "Racist Skinhead" groups, but the two that stand out for me are the "General Hate" group and the "Racist Music" group.


62.

/goddammit, Texas
 
2013-04-03 10:57:18 AM  

vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.


Maybe the government can declare a mobile 10-foot radius around every prosecutor as a "gun free zone."

Passing laws solves everything.  Words are just like reality.
 
2013-04-03 10:57:29 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.


in their defence, white guys with dreads DO deserve to have horrible things happen to them.
Being a lefty, I have to endure that sight often in my entourage.
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE
 
2013-04-03 10:58:07 AM  
Mr_H:
/25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north


Even hate groups are leaving Michigan.
 
2013-04-03 10:58:23 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: vicioushobbit: the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.

Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.

Yes. This was about 6 years ago. The police investigated but apparently the house was an abandoned dwelling so nothing came of it other than me avoiding that stretch of land at all possible.


Don't blame you, that'd scare the crap out of me.  Plus, I bet none of my friends'd visit after.
 
2013-04-03 11:00:49 AM  

KhamanV: orclover: Mugato: the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active.

I'll take your word for it.

Dont know how bad Vidor is still these days.

Vidor currently has an active KKK community.  Checking around, it still has its sundowner status among locals and remains an example of the worst the deep south has to offer.


I think its time for another regional "sundown town" news story.  Maybe a couple weeks of it when the rest of the news has died down and we have a lull.  Or maybe a lot of advertising showing places like that as a ironic place to put up a giant condo and coffee shops.  Let the hipsters invade and breed the locals out of existence.  Yea, I like that idea.
 
2013-04-03 11:01:18 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Mr_H: /25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north

Nah, the north doesn't care about the skin color of the trolls, so long as they bring the tourism dollars with them and buy plenty of pasties and fudge


No, not really.  Check out a list of America's most segregated cities.  There are a couple of different measures used, but most lists are predominately midwestern/atlantic northeast cities.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/31/where-are-the-top-10-most-segreg at ed-cities/

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-in-america-2011 - 3?op=1">http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-in-amer ica-2011- 3?op=1

And of the ten least segregated cities, five are in states of the old Confederacy.

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2011/us-residential-segregation.aspx

And in 2000, Michigan had five of the ten most segregated cities in America.
 
2013-04-03 11:01:33 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


I saw almost all of American History X on Encore the other night, so I am pretty much an expert on this topic. You're right.
 
2013-04-03 11:01:55 AM  

Generation_D: Cant fix stupid. Especially when the government of Texas and elsewhere down south is actively trying to preserve it, in order to preserve itself.

This is an unintended benefit, no doubt, but "education" and "assistance" and all those other code words that work up north are laughed at in the Great Republic Of


Socialism!

...am i doing it right for Texas?
 
2013-04-03 11:02:37 AM  

orclover: Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.


Almost every racist I've heard of make exceptions for "the good ones" when it's convenient.
 
2013-04-03 11:03:11 AM  

Coolfusis: Gecko Gingrich: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun

Maryland has it's share of "White Nationalist" and "Racist Skinhead" groups, but the two that stand out for me are the "General Hate" group and the "Racist Music" group.

62.

/goddammit, Texas


It is the second-largest state. And the SPLC focuses on the South.

/Why the hell am I defending Texas?
 
2013-04-03 11:05:21 AM  

KhamanV: Though racist music probably means shiat like Prussian Blue are popular.


Only their first few albums were about white supremacy.  As they got older they segued into writing songs about kissing boys, and once they attended public school and started smoking pot, they repudiated their earlier work.
 
2013-04-03 11:05:24 AM  

cman: mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.

Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away.


They started as a prison gang.

the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly


There are a fair amount of black people in Jasper.  I doubt they are grabbing people because of their hair.
 
2013-04-03 11:09:18 AM  
This is the kind of thing that happens in broken societies.  Mexico.  It happens in Mexico.  Texas has become a hell of sand.

And I wonder where these guys get their money from?  Prohibition.  The prohibition on pot fuels these guys.  Why are we in the united states so farking stupid?
 
2013-04-03 11:10:02 AM  

FLMountainMan: o, not really.  Check out a list of America's most segregated cities.  There are a couple of different measures used, but most lists are predominately midwestern/atlantic northeast cities.


I was talking about North Michigan.  Please note how I was responding to a guy talking about hate groups on the Upper Peninsula   Context, yo.
 
2013-04-03 11:11:02 AM  
So they're applying the Mexican model in Texas
 
2013-04-03 11:11:54 AM  
 
2013-04-03 11:11:57 AM  

FLMountainMan: the SPLC focuses on the South


I'm going to start an organization called the "Yankee Asshole Law Center."

It's going to focus on gathering data (to give to the government) to track asshole behavior in places like New York and other Rust Belt sewers.

Anyone who promotes violating people's basic human rights to economic liberty, self-defense or freedom of association will end up on the YALC's Watch List as a member of a Hate Group.
 
2013-04-03 11:13:52 AM  

liam76: cman: mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.

Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away.

They started as a prison gang.

the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly

There are a fair amount of black people in Jasper.  I doubt they are grabbing people because of their hair.


No, he wouldn't tell that story on the internet if it weren't true.

ha-ha-guy: FLMountainMan: o, not really.  Check out a list of America's most segregated cities.  There are a couple of different measures used, but most lists are predominately midwestern/atlantic northeast cities.

I was talking about North Michigan.  Please note how I was responding to a guy talking about hate groups on the Upper Peninsula   Context, yo.


My mistake.  I doubt there are any hate groups on the Upper.  Not much racism exists when there aren't other races.
 
2013-04-03 11:15:04 AM  
I see the big, bad DHS can use extreme rendition on a Canadian teenager, and bag him off to GITMO, but they don't have the testes to go after a real domestic terrorist.
Nice of them to spend your tax dollars on brass and glass, and not kick ass.
 
2013-04-03 11:17:47 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: the money is in the banana stand: So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.

But its not hyperbole when minor crime offenders are housed with heavier offenders, the private prison system does not take rehabilitation into account. It only requires warm bodies and cares little to nothing about how those warm bodies are put in there. From being behind on child support, to low level drug offenses, minor fraud, simple larceny, etc..

And many of those low level crimes are merely symptoms of larger issues at hand, like substance abuse, poor education, poverty, etc..

Just saying, often times we treat the criminal justice system like an axe.That we use to then cut off our hand, because we have a hang nail.


I would also argue that because we do this, this in itself is a huge deterrent to NOT commit those lesser crimes. What would be the deterrent if those lesser crimes were simply dealt with "UN" style with strong words and no real consequences? As a child, when I would talk back to my parents, I would get spanked - therefore I knew the limits and avoided talking back to my parents. My friends for the most part had very lenient parents and walked all over them. Their punishment would be something like time out or "Honey, you shouldn't talk that way!" My friends who had the lenient parents eventually escalated their bad behavior whereas I was always kept in check. Sometimes, using the axe for a hang nail is the right approach.
 
2013-04-03 11:19:53 AM  
I'm sure he'll claim it was for "unrelated reasons", but everyone will believe the reason was intimidation.

And it sets a Really bad example.
 
2013-04-03 11:20:01 AM  

Mugato: orclover: Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.

Almost every racist I've heard of make exceptions for "the good ones" when it's convenient.


As I recall the Japanese were made honorary Aryans, but the Chinese were not.  And no, Godwin's Law does not apply when we are discussing a group that calls itself The Aryan Brotherhood.
 
2013-04-03 11:22:33 AM  

FLMountainMan: ha-ha-guy: Mr_H: /25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north

Nah, the north doesn't care about the skin color of the trolls, so long as they bring the tourism dollars with them and buy plenty of pasties and fudge

No, not really.  Check out a list of America's most segregated cities.  There are a couple of different measures used, but most lists are predominately midwestern/atlantic northeast cities.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/31/where-are-the-top-10-most-segreg at ed-cities/

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-in-america-2011 - 3?op=1">http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-in-amer ica-2011- 3?op=1

And of the ten least segregated cities, five are in states of the old Confederacy.

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2011/us-residential-segregation.aspx

And in 2000, Michigan had five of the ten most segregated cities in America.


I'm a former Little Rock boy, and did in my high school days accidentally find myself in a few neighborhoods that I quickly departed.  I was still shocked when I called a friend of mine in Berwyn near Chicago asking for directions.  He asked what I saw and I told him I was near a Church's Chicken on Central Ave, to which he panicked and told me to just drive... didn't matter which way, just as long as the car was moving.
When I said I'd call him back, he insisted that I let him stay on the line to make sure I was okay.
Of course, that was 10 years ago, things may have changed.
 
2013-04-03 11:24:55 AM  
Serious question here:  Did the Mafia ever do anything as gutsy as assassinate prosecuting attorneys?
 
2013-04-03 11:26:49 AM  

cman: Plus, their alliance with Italian mobs is a bit of a strange one, too.


Not at all; Aryan hate groups have made their peace with Catholics before.
 
2013-04-03 11:27:22 AM  

Phinn: FLMountainMan: the SPLC focuses on the South

I'm going to start an organization called the "Yankee Asshole Law Center."

It's going to focus on gathering data (to give to the government) to track asshole behavior in places like New York and other Rust Belt sewers.

Anyone who promotes violating people's basic human rights to economic liberty, self-defense or freedom of association will end up on the YALC's Watch List as a member of a Hate Group.


Oh, look.  It's THIS guy.  Everyone point and laugh.

/Now tell us your opinion on the UN.  I'm sure we'll all be shocked.
 
2013-04-03 11:28:51 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Was this the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, or the Brotherhood of Texan Aryans?


Missouri Aryan Synod or Indiana Aryan Synod?
 
2013-04-03 11:30:58 AM  

FLMountainMan: And of the ten least segregated cities, five are in states of the old Confederacy.


I think Dick Gregory once said, "Down south, they don't care how close I get as long as I don't get too big.  Up north, they don't care how big I get as long as I don't get too close."
 
2013-04-03 11:31:42 AM  

cleveoh: Missouri Aryan Synod or Indiana Aryan Synod?


The Wisconsin Synod has them both beat.
 
2013-04-03 11:31:51 AM  

vicioushobbit: the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.

Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.


There is none.  It didn't happen in the manner he describes.  Been to Jasper numerous times with my half-black cousins and never had anything bad happen.

This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.

Perhaps his friend wanted to have a threesome with a couple of guys and simply changed his mind in the middle of it.  That's more believable.
 
2013-04-03 11:32:03 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Was this the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, or the Brotherhood of Texan Aryans?


farking splitters.
 
2013-04-03 11:33:36 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.

Because we arbitrarily incarcerate people? Please, the only offense that should not result in incarceration at this current time is possession of marijuana. Blame society instead of those responsible? The problem is that incarceration is not enough....


If society is to blame, we're one farked up society.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-03 11:34:06 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: the money is in the banana stand: So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.

But its not hyperbole when minor crime offenders are housed with heavier offenders, the private prison system does not take rehabilitation into account. It only requires warm bodies and cares little to nothing about how those warm bodies are put in there. From being behind on child support, to low level drug offenses, minor fraud, simple larceny, etc..

And many of those low level crimes are merely symptoms of larger issues at hand, like substance abuse, poor education, poverty, etc..

Just saying, often times we treat the criminal justice system like an axe.That we use to then cut off our hand, because we have a hang nail.


To be fair, there was precious little rehab in the criminal justice system even before any prison privatization.
 
2013-04-03 11:34:24 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


Maybe they do both equally well.  Apparently they've also found out how to avoid prosecution.
 
2013-04-03 11:36:18 AM  

WhoGAS: This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.


I hear that overt racism is more socially acceptable in the south now than it was in the 80's.
 
2013-04-03 11:36:20 AM  
Clear and Present Danger to National Security

Hunt them down. KIWF
 
2013-04-03 11:38:16 AM  

mod3072: Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.

Do you really want to live in a world where a kid with an ounce of pot is allowed to just roam the streets? It would anarchy! Think of the children!!!


Giving an incorrect statement to an FBI agent that arrives at your front door will get you five years in prison.

Hacking into a computer system?  20 years minimum (and about to get a lot worse).

Possessing an ounce of pot is a misdemeanor.  But if you're holding paraphernalia in PA, that's twice as harsh as just having the pot to begin with.

Minimum sentencing.  Three strikes and you're out.  Trying children as adults.  Putting mentally ill people into supermax solitary and throwing away the key.

If God decides to smite the USA, these are the crimes He will smite us for.
 
2013-04-03 11:48:59 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: To be fair, there was precious little rehab in the criminal justice system even before any prison privatization.


true
 
2013-04-03 12:00:50 PM  

pciszek: WhoGAS: This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.

I hear that overt racism is more socially acceptable in the south now than it was in the 80's.


No not really.
 
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