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(Talking Points Memo)   Prosecutor heading up the case against an Aryan hate group in Texas resigns over security reasons, sends letter to every member of the defense so their clients don't kill him like they killed the two other prosecutors   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 198
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2013-04-03 09:06:19 AM  
Even the chickens are bigger in Texas.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-03 09:23:37 AM  
If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.
 
2013-04-03 09:30:40 AM  
I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.
 
2013-04-03 09:41:43 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-03 09:45:30 AM  
We need to call in the "Texas Hammer"...
 
2013-04-03 09:49:14 AM  
Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?
 
2013-04-03 09:53:03 AM  

Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?


I tried that with the KKK, but they took my baby away.  They took her away. Away from me.
 
2013-04-03 10:08:07 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away. Hell, one of their biggest allies is the Mexican Mafia, and we know how Aryan they are. Plus, their alliance with Italian mobs is a bit of a strange one, too.

I think that the AB is just another one of those prison gangs that is in it to make money. They do keep with the theme of hate because it is something that binds them together, but money speaks more than hate.

Nevertheless they are still dangerous and I still think they will kill a black man if given the opportunity.
 
2013-04-03 10:09:45 AM  
To be fair, my experiences with prosecutors leads me to believe they are all sadistic pricks.
 
2013-04-03 10:23:24 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


They are actually a prison gang, so yeah.
 
hej
2013-04-03 10:23:28 AM  

vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.


Or at least he'd be able to shoot back.
 
2013-04-03 10:23:36 AM  
So much for being tough on crime.
 
2013-04-03 10:25:18 AM  
There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.
 
2013-04-03 10:26:33 AM  
coward.
 
2013-04-03 10:26:56 AM  
I was under the impression the investigation was turning away from the Aryan Brotherhood, and that they were not actually likely culprits?
 
2013-04-03 10:27:41 AM  
Brave Sir. Hileman ran away....
 
2013-04-03 10:27:58 AM  
This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.
 
2013-04-03 10:28:08 AM  

Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?


I did once.  Drove them to the bowling alley in my camper van.
 
2013-04-03 10:29:30 AM  
Soooo you've just taught every drug dealing gang in the US that the easiest way to have a large Federal case dropped is to assassinate a few prosecutors. That's going to turn out awesome.
 
2013-04-03 10:30:01 AM  
Welcome to Mexico?
 
2013-04-03 10:31:10 AM  
someone's taking that * kill all lawyers * thing pretty seriously
 
2013-04-03 10:31:17 AM  

Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.


Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.
 
2013-04-03 10:31:57 AM  

THX 1138: Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?

I did once.  Drove them to the bowling alley in my camper van.


Oh you. Just do it already.
 
2013-04-03 10:32:27 AM  

hej: vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.

Or at least he'd be able to shoot back.


That worked great for the second prosecutor and his wife, who stated the same thing then were killed in their pajamas.
 
2013-04-03 10:32:58 AM  

hej: vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.

Or at least he'd be able to shoot back.


Don't waste your time.  vpb is a shill for the VPC.
 
2013-04-03 10:32:59 AM  

Pollexter: Soooo you've just taught every drug dealing gang in the US that the easiest way to have a large Federal case dropped is to assassinate a few prosecutors. That's going to turn out awesome.


How about no?  Prosecutors, like defense attorneys, withdraw from cases for a variety of reasons all the time.  The charges don't go away, the case just gets assigned to another prosecutor.
 
2013-04-03 10:33:04 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active.


I'll take your word for it.
 
2013-04-03 10:34:04 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.


Because we arbitrarily incarcerate people? Please, the only offense that should not result in incarceration at this current time is possession of marijuana. Blame society instead of those responsible? The problem is that incarceration is not enough....
 
2013-04-03 10:34:51 AM  
Time to send in Janet Reno and the ATF?
 
2013-04-03 10:35:09 AM  
I guess the cops have a hard time providing security when the criminals are white.Not as easy to spot.  I guess having to think twice before you shoot is to much to ask.
 
2013-04-03 10:36:46 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Because we arbitrarily incarcerate people? Please, the only offense that should not result in incarceration at this current time is possession of marijuana. Blame society instead of those responsible? The problem is that incarceration is not enough....


Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.
 
2013-04-03 10:37:42 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.


Do you really want to live in a world where a kid with an ounce of pot is allowed to just roam the streets? It would anarchy! Think of the children!!!
 
2013-04-03 10:38:14 AM  
He should have just setup a projector and played this video over and over using his house as a screen.

That would have fixed things.


Chuck Norris Stares At You For 10 Hours (yt)
 
2013-04-03 10:38:47 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.


Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.
 
2013-04-03 10:39:39 AM  
Domestic terrorists are so cute!
 
2013-04-03 10:39:40 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: the money is in the banana stand: Because we arbitrarily incarcerate people? Please, the only offense that should not result in incarceration at this current time is possession of marijuana. Blame society instead of those responsible? The problem is that incarceration is not enough....

Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.


So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.
 
2013-04-03 10:39:48 AM  

Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.


SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun
 
2013-04-03 10:39:53 AM  
Was this the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, or the Brotherhood of Texan Aryans?
 
2013-04-03 10:40:52 AM  

JustGetItRight: Pollexter: Soooo you've just taught every drug dealing gang in the US that the easiest way to have a large Federal case dropped is to assassinate a few prosecutors. That's going to turn out awesome.

How about no?  Prosecutors, like defense attorneys, withdraw from cases for a variety of reasons all the time.  The charges don't go away, the case just gets assigned to another prosecutor.


I hope they don't assign it to a guy who is 2 weeks from retirement.
 
2013-04-03 10:41:13 AM  
They need to come down hard on this hate group.  Making someone back down publically like this will only embolden them.  And that will make them kill again.
 
2013-04-03 10:41:23 AM  

vicioushobbit: the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.

Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.


Yes. This was about 6 years ago. The police investigated but apparently the house was an abandoned dwelling so nothing came of it other than me avoiding that stretch of land at all possible.
 
2013-04-03 10:42:31 AM  
So they BOTH resigned?
 
2013-04-03 10:43:11 AM  

KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map ---


I forgot to add that Texas has 62 groups.  In their state, the vast majority of these groups are white supremacist, including 26 chapters of the Ku Klux Klan.

holy shiatsnacks, a link!
 
2013-04-03 10:43:23 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.


But its not hyperbole when minor crime offenders are housed with heavier offenders, the private prison system does not take rehabilitation into account. It only requires warm bodies and cares little to nothing about how those warm bodies are put in there. From being behind on child support, to low level drug offenses, minor fraud, simple larceny, etc..

And many of those low level crimes are merely symptoms of larger issues at hand, like substance abuse, poor education, poverty, etc..

Just saying, often times we treat the criminal justice system like an axe.That we use to then cut off our hand, because we have a hang nail.
 
2013-04-03 10:45:57 AM  
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"They'll kill me."
 
2013-04-03 10:47:21 AM  

Mugato: the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active.

I'll take your word for it.


Dont know how bad Vidor is still these days.  Not long ago you could visit there, if you were black, but dont get caught there after sundown.   Texas has a few "sundown" towns.  Whenever I visit my relatives around the state I get reminded of the fact that once you leave Austin, you are in fact in farking Texas.  Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.
 
2013-04-03 10:47:33 AM  
I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often and on a much larger scale. If you're innocent of a crime and have no money or connections, you're going to get royally screwed. You take someone who gets screwed, maybe they snap, maybe they get the Big C, maybe they go Full Dorner. What else do they have? They're not getting a good job with that record. Clearing your name costs big bucks, so that's not an option. I'm just really surprised this doesn't happen more often.

I actually have jury duty next week and I pretty much require uncontested, smoking gun type evidence to convict, especially given the widely reported corruption in my state's crime lab. Unfortunately, in my neck of the woods, questioning evidence usually results in getting shouted down pretty hard in the jury room, so you have to have thick skin.
 
2013-04-03 10:47:56 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.


It has less to do with incarceration, and more to do with what we do with them once they're in jail.

As it turns out, grouping a bunch of known criminals into a location where they can share ideas, organize, and build criminal communities while also removing their ability to get well-paying jobs after their sentence is completed and doing next to nothing in the way of rehabilitation to non-criminal society is a terrible idea.

One of my papers for my last government class dealt with recidivism rates in states with increased state-sponsored rehabilitation compared to states without it. The effects were about what you'd expect. States that had (well-funded) rehab programs experienced a lot less trouble - not surprising when you consider that people are less likely to be assholes when you treat them like human beings. The gap gets even wider when you compare them to countries like Norway, but they use different measures of recidivism, so I couldn't use them in the paper.

/My desk was overflowing with stories of people going in for weed, getting out, then going back in for armed robbery/assault/farking murder.
//that_escalated_quickly.jpg
 
2013-04-03 10:48:03 AM  

KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun


That site is both neat and terrifying at the same time.

/25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north
 
2013-04-03 10:48:44 AM  

orclover: Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.


Where do you think they get the meth that they sell?
 
2013-04-03 10:50:50 AM  

KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun


Maryland has it's share of "White Nationalist" and "Racist Skinhead" groups, but the two that stand out for me are the "General Hate" group and the "Racist Music" group.
 
2013-04-03 10:50:51 AM  

THX 1138: Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?

I did once.  Drove them to the bowling alley in my camper van.


With Beethoven on the stereo, no doubt.
 
2013-04-03 10:51:01 AM  

orclover: Mugato: the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active.

I'll take your word for it.

Dont know how bad Vidor is still these days.


Vidor currently has an active KKK community.  Checking around, it still has its sundowner status among locals and remains an example of the worst the deep south has to offer.
 
2013-04-03 10:51:13 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: the money is in the banana stand: So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.

But its not hyperbole when minor crime offenders are housed with heavier offenders, the private prison system does not take rehabilitation into account. It only requires warm bodies and cares little to nothing about how those warm bodies are put in there. From being behind on child support, to low level drug offenses, minor fraud, simple larceny, etc..

And many of those low level crimes are merely symptoms of larger issues at hand, like substance abuse, poor education, poverty, etc..

Just saying, often times we treat the criminal justice system like an axe.That we use to then cut off our hand, because we have a hang nail.


Cant fix stupid. Especially when the government of Texas and elsewhere down south is actively trying to preserve it, in order to preserve itself.

This is an unintended benefit, no doubt, but "education" and "assistance" and all those other code words that work up north are laughed at in the Great Republic Of
 
2013-04-03 10:51:54 AM  
So you are telling me that white supremacists are murderous asshats? Whodathunkit?
 
2013-04-03 10:52:59 AM  
Gecko Gingrich:

Maryland has it's share of "White Nationalist" and "Racist Skinhead" groups, but the two that stand out for me are the "General Hate" group and the "Racist Music" group.

All I can picture for general hate is Bill Hicks' 'People who hate people' party, which I'm oddly sort of charmed by.  I'm thinking the reality is more depressing.  Though racist music probably means shiat like Prussian Blue are popular.
 
2013-04-03 10:53:06 AM  

Mr_H: /25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north


Nah, the north doesn't care about the skin color of the trolls, so long as they bring the tourism dollars with them and buy plenty of pasties and fudge
 
2013-04-03 10:54:49 AM  

KhamanV: All I can picture for general hate is Bill Hicks' 'People who hate people' party, which I'm oddly sort of charmed by.


Yeah, I pictured the four emo kids who hang out behind South Park Elementary, and laughed.
 
2013-04-03 10:55:05 AM  

cman: mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.

Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away. Hell, one of their biggest allies is the Mexican Mafia, and we know how Aryan they are. Plus, their alliance with Italian mobs is a bit of a strange one, too.

I think that the AB is just another one of those prison gangs that is in it to make money. They do keep with the theme of hate because it is something that binds them together, but money speaks more than hate.

Nevertheless they are still dangerous and I still think they will kill a black man if given the opportunity.


so they're republicans then?
 
2013-04-03 10:55:06 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


Either/Or fallacy.
 
2013-04-03 10:56:52 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun

Maryland has it's share of "White Nationalist" and "Racist Skinhead" groups, but the two that stand out for me are the "General Hate" group and the "Racist Music" group.


62.

/goddammit, Texas
 
2013-04-03 10:57:18 AM  

vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.


Maybe the government can declare a mobile 10-foot radius around every prosecutor as a "gun free zone."

Passing laws solves everything.  Words are just like reality.
 
2013-04-03 10:57:29 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.


in their defence, white guys with dreads DO deserve to have horrible things happen to them.
Being a lefty, I have to endure that sight often in my entourage.
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE
 
2013-04-03 10:58:07 AM  
Mr_H:
/25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north


Even hate groups are leaving Michigan.
 
2013-04-03 10:58:23 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: vicioushobbit: the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.

Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.

Yes. This was about 6 years ago. The police investigated but apparently the house was an abandoned dwelling so nothing came of it other than me avoiding that stretch of land at all possible.


Don't blame you, that'd scare the crap out of me.  Plus, I bet none of my friends'd visit after.
 
2013-04-03 11:00:49 AM  

KhamanV: orclover: Mugato: the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active.

I'll take your word for it.

Dont know how bad Vidor is still these days.

Vidor currently has an active KKK community.  Checking around, it still has its sundowner status among locals and remains an example of the worst the deep south has to offer.


I think its time for another regional "sundown town" news story.  Maybe a couple weeks of it when the rest of the news has died down and we have a lull.  Or maybe a lot of advertising showing places like that as a ironic place to put up a giant condo and coffee shops.  Let the hipsters invade and breed the locals out of existence.  Yea, I like that idea.
 
2013-04-03 11:01:18 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Mr_H: /25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north

Nah, the north doesn't care about the skin color of the trolls, so long as they bring the tourism dollars with them and buy plenty of pasties and fudge


No, not really.  Check out a list of America's most segregated cities.  There are a couple of different measures used, but most lists are predominately midwestern/atlantic northeast cities.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/31/where-are-the-top-10-most-segreg at ed-cities/

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-in-america-2011 - 3?op=1">http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-in-amer ica-2011- 3?op=1

And of the ten least segregated cities, five are in states of the old Confederacy.

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2011/us-residential-segregation.aspx

And in 2000, Michigan had five of the ten most segregated cities in America.
 
2013-04-03 11:01:33 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


I saw almost all of American History X on Encore the other night, so I am pretty much an expert on this topic. You're right.
 
2013-04-03 11:01:55 AM  

Generation_D: Cant fix stupid. Especially when the government of Texas and elsewhere down south is actively trying to preserve it, in order to preserve itself.

This is an unintended benefit, no doubt, but "education" and "assistance" and all those other code words that work up north are laughed at in the Great Republic Of


Socialism!

...am i doing it right for Texas?
 
2013-04-03 11:02:37 AM  

orclover: Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.


Almost every racist I've heard of make exceptions for "the good ones" when it's convenient.
 
2013-04-03 11:03:11 AM  

Coolfusis: Gecko Gingrich: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun

Maryland has it's share of "White Nationalist" and "Racist Skinhead" groups, but the two that stand out for me are the "General Hate" group and the "Racist Music" group.

62.

/goddammit, Texas


It is the second-largest state. And the SPLC focuses on the South.

/Why the hell am I defending Texas?
 
2013-04-03 11:05:21 AM  

KhamanV: Though racist music probably means shiat like Prussian Blue are popular.


Only their first few albums were about white supremacy.  As they got older they segued into writing songs about kissing boys, and once they attended public school and started smoking pot, they repudiated their earlier work.
 
2013-04-03 11:05:24 AM  

cman: mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.

Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away.


They started as a prison gang.

the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly


There are a fair amount of black people in Jasper.  I doubt they are grabbing people because of their hair.
 
2013-04-03 11:09:18 AM  
This is the kind of thing that happens in broken societies.  Mexico.  It happens in Mexico.  Texas has become a hell of sand.

And I wonder where these guys get their money from?  Prohibition.  The prohibition on pot fuels these guys.  Why are we in the united states so farking stupid?
 
2013-04-03 11:10:02 AM  

FLMountainMan: o, not really.  Check out a list of America's most segregated cities.  There are a couple of different measures used, but most lists are predominately midwestern/atlantic northeast cities.


I was talking about North Michigan.  Please note how I was responding to a guy talking about hate groups on the Upper Peninsula   Context, yo.
 
2013-04-03 11:11:02 AM  
So they're applying the Mexican model in Texas
 
2013-04-03 11:11:54 AM  
 
2013-04-03 11:11:57 AM  

FLMountainMan: the SPLC focuses on the South


I'm going to start an organization called the "Yankee Asshole Law Center."

It's going to focus on gathering data (to give to the government) to track asshole behavior in places like New York and other Rust Belt sewers.

Anyone who promotes violating people's basic human rights to economic liberty, self-defense or freedom of association will end up on the YALC's Watch List as a member of a Hate Group.
 
2013-04-03 11:13:52 AM  

liam76: cman: mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.

Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away.

They started as a prison gang.

the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly

There are a fair amount of black people in Jasper.  I doubt they are grabbing people because of their hair.


No, he wouldn't tell that story on the internet if it weren't true.

ha-ha-guy: FLMountainMan: o, not really.  Check out a list of America's most segregated cities.  There are a couple of different measures used, but most lists are predominately midwestern/atlantic northeast cities.

I was talking about North Michigan.  Please note how I was responding to a guy talking about hate groups on the Upper Peninsula   Context, yo.


My mistake.  I doubt there are any hate groups on the Upper.  Not much racism exists when there aren't other races.
 
2013-04-03 11:15:04 AM  
I see the big, bad DHS can use extreme rendition on a Canadian teenager, and bag him off to GITMO, but they don't have the testes to go after a real domestic terrorist.
Nice of them to spend your tax dollars on brass and glass, and not kick ass.
 
2013-04-03 11:17:47 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: the money is in the banana stand: So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.

But its not hyperbole when minor crime offenders are housed with heavier offenders, the private prison system does not take rehabilitation into account. It only requires warm bodies and cares little to nothing about how those warm bodies are put in there. From being behind on child support, to low level drug offenses, minor fraud, simple larceny, etc..

And many of those low level crimes are merely symptoms of larger issues at hand, like substance abuse, poor education, poverty, etc..

Just saying, often times we treat the criminal justice system like an axe.That we use to then cut off our hand, because we have a hang nail.


I would also argue that because we do this, this in itself is a huge deterrent to NOT commit those lesser crimes. What would be the deterrent if those lesser crimes were simply dealt with "UN" style with strong words and no real consequences? As a child, when I would talk back to my parents, I would get spanked - therefore I knew the limits and avoided talking back to my parents. My friends for the most part had very lenient parents and walked all over them. Their punishment would be something like time out or "Honey, you shouldn't talk that way!" My friends who had the lenient parents eventually escalated their bad behavior whereas I was always kept in check. Sometimes, using the axe for a hang nail is the right approach.
 
2013-04-03 11:19:53 AM  
I'm sure he'll claim it was for "unrelated reasons", but everyone will believe the reason was intimidation.

And it sets a Really bad example.
 
2013-04-03 11:20:01 AM  

Mugato: orclover: Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.

Almost every racist I've heard of make exceptions for "the good ones" when it's convenient.


As I recall the Japanese were made honorary Aryans, but the Chinese were not.  And no, Godwin's Law does not apply when we are discussing a group that calls itself The Aryan Brotherhood.
 
2013-04-03 11:22:33 AM  

FLMountainMan: ha-ha-guy: Mr_H: /25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north

Nah, the north doesn't care about the skin color of the trolls, so long as they bring the tourism dollars with them and buy plenty of pasties and fudge

No, not really.  Check out a list of America's most segregated cities.  There are a couple of different measures used, but most lists are predominately midwestern/atlantic northeast cities.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/31/where-are-the-top-10-most-segreg at ed-cities/

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-in-america-2011 - 3?op=1">http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-in-amer ica-2011- 3?op=1

And of the ten least segregated cities, five are in states of the old Confederacy.

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2011/us-residential-segregation.aspx

And in 2000, Michigan had five of the ten most segregated cities in America.


I'm a former Little Rock boy, and did in my high school days accidentally find myself in a few neighborhoods that I quickly departed.  I was still shocked when I called a friend of mine in Berwyn near Chicago asking for directions.  He asked what I saw and I told him I was near a Church's Chicken on Central Ave, to which he panicked and told me to just drive... didn't matter which way, just as long as the car was moving.
When I said I'd call him back, he insisted that I let him stay on the line to make sure I was okay.
Of course, that was 10 years ago, things may have changed.
 
2013-04-03 11:24:55 AM  
Serious question here:  Did the Mafia ever do anything as gutsy as assassinate prosecuting attorneys?
 
2013-04-03 11:26:49 AM  

cman: Plus, their alliance with Italian mobs is a bit of a strange one, too.


Not at all; Aryan hate groups have made their peace with Catholics before.
 
2013-04-03 11:27:22 AM  

Phinn: FLMountainMan: the SPLC focuses on the South

I'm going to start an organization called the "Yankee Asshole Law Center."

It's going to focus on gathering data (to give to the government) to track asshole behavior in places like New York and other Rust Belt sewers.

Anyone who promotes violating people's basic human rights to economic liberty, self-defense or freedom of association will end up on the YALC's Watch List as a member of a Hate Group.


Oh, look.  It's THIS guy.  Everyone point and laugh.

/Now tell us your opinion on the UN.  I'm sure we'll all be shocked.
 
2013-04-03 11:28:51 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Was this the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, or the Brotherhood of Texan Aryans?


Missouri Aryan Synod or Indiana Aryan Synod?
 
2013-04-03 11:30:58 AM  

FLMountainMan: And of the ten least segregated cities, five are in states of the old Confederacy.


I think Dick Gregory once said, "Down south, they don't care how close I get as long as I don't get too big.  Up north, they don't care how big I get as long as I don't get too close."
 
2013-04-03 11:31:42 AM  

cleveoh: Missouri Aryan Synod or Indiana Aryan Synod?


The Wisconsin Synod has them both beat.
 
2013-04-03 11:31:51 AM  

vicioushobbit: the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.

Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.


There is none.  It didn't happen in the manner he describes.  Been to Jasper numerous times with my half-black cousins and never had anything bad happen.

This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.

Perhaps his friend wanted to have a threesome with a couple of guys and simply changed his mind in the middle of it.  That's more believable.
 
2013-04-03 11:32:03 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Was this the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, or the Brotherhood of Texan Aryans?


farking splitters.
 
2013-04-03 11:33:36 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.

Because we arbitrarily incarcerate people? Please, the only offense that should not result in incarceration at this current time is possession of marijuana. Blame society instead of those responsible? The problem is that incarceration is not enough....


If society is to blame, we're one farked up society.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-03 11:34:06 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: the money is in the banana stand: So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.

But its not hyperbole when minor crime offenders are housed with heavier offenders, the private prison system does not take rehabilitation into account. It only requires warm bodies and cares little to nothing about how those warm bodies are put in there. From being behind on child support, to low level drug offenses, minor fraud, simple larceny, etc..

And many of those low level crimes are merely symptoms of larger issues at hand, like substance abuse, poor education, poverty, etc..

Just saying, often times we treat the criminal justice system like an axe.That we use to then cut off our hand, because we have a hang nail.


To be fair, there was precious little rehab in the criminal justice system even before any prison privatization.
 
2013-04-03 11:34:24 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


Maybe they do both equally well.  Apparently they've also found out how to avoid prosecution.
 
2013-04-03 11:36:18 AM  

WhoGAS: This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.


I hear that overt racism is more socially acceptable in the south now than it was in the 80's.
 
2013-04-03 11:36:20 AM  
Clear and Present Danger to National Security

Hunt them down. KIWF
 
2013-04-03 11:38:16 AM  

mod3072: Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.

Do you really want to live in a world where a kid with an ounce of pot is allowed to just roam the streets? It would anarchy! Think of the children!!!


Giving an incorrect statement to an FBI agent that arrives at your front door will get you five years in prison.

Hacking into a computer system?  20 years minimum (and about to get a lot worse).

Possessing an ounce of pot is a misdemeanor.  But if you're holding paraphernalia in PA, that's twice as harsh as just having the pot to begin with.

Minimum sentencing.  Three strikes and you're out.  Trying children as adults.  Putting mentally ill people into supermax solitary and throwing away the key.

If God decides to smite the USA, these are the crimes He will smite us for.
 
2013-04-03 11:48:59 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: To be fair, there was precious little rehab in the criminal justice system even before any prison privatization.


true
 
2013-04-03 12:00:50 PM  

pciszek: WhoGAS: This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.

I hear that overt racism is more socially acceptable in the south now than it was in the 80's.


No not really.
 
2013-04-03 12:04:51 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Phinn: FLMountainMan: the SPLC focuses on the South

I'm going to start an organization called the "Yankee Asshole Law Center."

It's going to focus on gathering data (to give to the government) to track asshole behavior in places like New York and other Rust Belt sewers.

Anyone who promotes violating people's basic human rights to economic liberty, self-defense or freedom of association will end up on the YALC's Watch List as a member of a Hate Group.

Oh, look.  It's THIS guy.  Everyone point and laugh.

/Now tell us your opinion on the UN.  I'm sure we'll all be shocked.


----------------------------

You have been added to the YALC's Watch List as a probable domestic terrorist.

The YALC denounces your Hate Posts and the Hate Comments they contain.  You should resign your Hate Membership in Fark.

You should stop engaging in Hate Speech now, before you commit any more Hate Crimes.
 
2013-04-03 12:06:48 PM  

Phinn: FLMountainMan: the SPLC focuses on the South

I'm going to start an organization called the "Yankee Asshole Law Center."

It's going to focus on gathering data (to give to the government) to track asshole behavior in places like New York and other Rust Belt sewers.

Anyone who promotes violating people's basic human rights to economic liberty, self-defense or freedom of association will end up on the YALC's Watch List as a member of a Hate Group.


hmmm the thought of someone from florida calling my reigion a sewer is kind of amusing.
back to your bibles guns and crushing poverty jethro
 
2013-04-03 12:10:04 PM  

pciszek: WhoGAS: This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.

I hear that overt racism is more socially acceptable in the south now than it was in the 80's.


where did you hear that?  I would say it is much to the contrary.  Some of the most racist things i have ever heard came from middle pennsylvania.
 
2013-04-03 12:14:51 PM  
the AB and Bandidos share members. My uncle was in prison in Tx and joined the AB. Upon his release he joined the Bandidos. Was a member in good standing with both. Until he died of a overdose..
 
2013-04-03 12:22:17 PM  

pciszek: WhoGAS: This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.

I hear that overt racism is more socially acceptable in the south now than it was in the 80's.


Not sure about that.  I haven't been back to Texas in about four years.  I do visit Oklahoma when a relative dies (5 in this last 12 month time-span including dad and sister) so I tend to interact with them often; well, the ones who are left - heh.

The Oklahomans, whatever race/creed/color, are much friendlier and welcoming than anyone around me in San Diego/Poway have ever been so I don't think it's bad.

Here (CA), I feel the racism deeply...as a white person, I had never encountered it before but here, just wow...being told that you aren't right for the job because they need a Mexican or Asian...Nah, they're not that bad, but if you're not the same race as the person you run into, well you have no chance at becoming friends.
 
2013-04-03 12:25:27 PM  
IF I were king (part 74):
String up these hate-filled bastards like the Nazi douchebags at Nuremberg.  fark. Them.
 
2013-04-03 12:29:04 PM  

KhamanV: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map ---

I forgot to add that Texas has 62 groups.  In their state, the vast majority of these groups are white supremacist, including 26 chapters of the Ku Klux Klan.

holy shiatsnacks, a link!


Surely not in my city, with its modern infrastructure, cosmopolitan denizens, and gay mayor....

....well, only 3 within the city limits. And it looks like there's a KKK office on the same street as a Black Panther Party office. Wonder if they have a corporate softball league.

/not looking up which street that is on my work computer
 
2013-04-03 12:29:17 PM  

KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun


If you are to the right of Barbra StreiZand (that's how she likes it pronounced)  the SPLC has you marked as a hater, hater.
 
2013-04-03 12:29:47 PM  
So, was he french?
 
2013-04-03 12:30:25 PM  

WhoGAS: right for the job because they need a Mexican or Asian


I see you applied to Waste Management, eh?  My buddy, a very qualified truck driver, was told to his face that they would hire only a person of Mexican ancestry.
 
2013-04-03 12:33:17 PM  

onzmadi: Phinn: FLMountainMan: the SPLC focuses on the South

I'm going to start an organization called the "Yankee Asshole Law Center."

It's going to focus on gathering data (to give to the government) to track asshole behavior in places like New York and other Rust Belt sewers.

Anyone who promotes violating people's basic human rights to economic liberty, self-defense or freedom of association will end up on the YALC's Watch List as a member of a Hate Group.

hmmm the thought of someone from florida calling my reigion a sewer is kind of amusing.
back to your bibles guns and crushing poverty jethro


I'm not from Florida, yo, so you can DIAF aftuh youze eat yuh cheesteak and finish watchin' da Patriots game.
 
2013-04-03 12:37:25 PM  
How do you Aryan hate groups in Texas set themselves apart from regular Texans?
 
2013-04-03 12:39:03 PM  

Coolfusis: One of my papers for my last government class dealt with recidivism rates in states with increased state-sponsored rehabilitation compared to states without it. The effects were about what you'd expect. States that had (well-funded) rehab programs experienced a lot less trouble - not surprising when you consider that people are less likely to be assholes when you treat them like human beings.


Send your paper to the dept. of education.
 
2013-04-03 12:39:36 PM  

liam76: cman: mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.

Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away.

They started as a prison gang.

the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly


There are a fair amount of black people in Jasper.  I doubt they are grabbing people because of their hair.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd,_Jr.

Yeah there's a fair amount of black people.  THERE ARE ALSO REALLY F--KING VIOLENT RACISTS.

Jesus Christ.  I hate the stuff I remember sometimes.
 
2013-04-03 12:42:35 PM  

abfalter: They need to come down hard on this hate group.  Making someone back down publically like this will only embolden them.  And that will make them kill again.


That should work about the same as the war on drugs.
 
2013-04-03 12:42:47 PM  

Witty_Retort: [www.gangsinla.com image 350x300]
Hey guys! These for-profit prisons are working out great!


He would be hard to pick out in a line up.

How the hell would you do a line up? Find 5 other guys with tats all over their faces and then try to read the tats?

Jeeze
 
2013-04-03 12:47:03 PM  

James!: Nabb1:

Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?

I tried that with the KKK, but they took my baby away.  They took her away. Away from me.


Were you using her for a ball?
 
2013-04-03 12:50:20 PM  
Ladies and gents, the republican base.
 
2013-04-03 12:51:08 PM  
The news is saying white suopremacisists,  but the modus operandi is much more consistent with mexican drug gangs.

For some reason no one wants to tell the truth.

Suspicious?


\\ not the first time somnething like this has happened.
 
2013-04-03 12:52:56 PM  
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map#s=TX

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
ArkLaTex Region

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Beaumont

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Buffalo

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Corpus Christi

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Dallas

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Forney

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Fort Worth

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Gatesville

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Houston

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Lufkin

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Marshall

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Midlothian

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Panhandle Region

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
San Saba

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Vidor

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Wichita Falls

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Longview

www.wired.com
 
2013-04-03 12:55:11 PM  

pciszek: Serious question here:  Did the Mafia ever do anything as gutsy as assassinate prosecuting attorneys?


The Mexican cartels usually whack people at random, so if I get busted in Houston for example, my gang might whack a judge in San Antonio, a Prosecutor in Dallas or a prominent police officer in El Paso.

Next they would kill a bunch of civilians at random.

Their strategy is so spread the danger as wide as possible, put everyone at risk.
 
2013-04-03 12:57:07 PM  

pciszek: WhoGAS: This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.

I hear that overt racism is more socially acceptable in the south now than it was in the 80's.


Oh, well if you heard it, I'm sure it's true.


onzmadi: Phinn: FLMountainMan: the SPLC focuses on the South

I'm going to start an organization called the "Yankee Asshole Law Center."

It's going to focus on gathering data (to give to the government) to track asshole behavior in places like New York and other Rust Belt sewers.

Anyone who promotes violating people's basic human rights to economic liberty, self-defense or freedom of association will end up on the YALC's Watch List as a member of a Hate Group.

hmmm the thought of someone from florida calling my reigion a sewer is kind of amusing.
back to your bibles guns and crushing poverty jethro


DERP.  Yes, the flourishing prosperty of Detroit and the rest of the Rust Belt.  I just wish I could live there.

StreetlightInTheGhetto:
There are a fair amount of black people in Jasper.  I doubt they are grabbing people because of their hair.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd,_Jr.

Yeah there's a fair amount of black people.  THERE ARE ALSO REALLY F--KING VIOLENT RACISTS.

Jesus Christ.  I hate the stuff I remember sometimes.


Jasper's 50% black.  And yes, there was a disgusting racially motivated murder there.   And yet it seems like every year, a black kid holding a soda bottle gets gunned down by a NYC cop.  Or sodomized with a plunger.  But New York, the second most segregated city in the country, is held out as some sort of racial utopia, while Jasper, TX is Stormfront Central.

I've never been to either city, but it's baffling to me how self-deluded the Northeast and Midwest are as to their own racial problems.
 
2013-04-03 12:58:21 PM  

PackofJokers: KhamanV: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map ---

I forgot to add that Texas has 62 groups.  In their state, the vast majority of these groups are white supremacist, including 26 chapters of the Ku Klux Klan.

holy shiatsnacks, a link!

Surely not in my city, with its modern infrastructure, cosmopolitan denizens, and gay mayor....

....well, only 3 within the city limits. And it looks like there's a KKK office on the same street as a Black Panther Party office. Wonder if they have a corporate softball league.

/not looking up which street that is on my work computer


Take the numbers with a grain of salt.  SPLC has been under some heat about inflating the numbers in order to fundraise off of them (i.e. the problem is getting worse, donate today!).  They have even started labeling so-called "pick up artists" as hate groups.  The number of groups seems to increase every year, so one wonders how they decide what constitutes a separate group vs. a gang that splinters into smaller groups.  Or a large group that has two addresses (e.g. in VA, the Nation of Islam is supposedly active in Richmond and Norfolk, but counted as two groups for Virginia).  Not sure if that is the best way to do it, but that is how they count.
 
2013-04-03 12:59:09 PM  

pciszek: mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.

Either/Or fallacy.


that's like saying dahmer is more a murderer than he is a cannibal.

Does it even matter if a group is say 75% criminal and 25% hate?  or if they commit 'non-hate' crimes Mon to Fri anfd only hang gays, blacks and jews on Sat and Sun?
 
2013-04-03 01:00:08 PM  

FLMountainMan: Jasper's 50% black. And yes, there was a disgusting racially motivated murder there. And yet it seems like every year, a black kid holding a soda bottle gets gunned down by a NYC cop. Or sodomized with a plunger. But New York, the second most segregated city in the country, is held out as some sort of racial utopia, while Jasper, TX is Stormfront Central.


From the 2011 Census:

Jasper's population: 7,714
New York City's population: 8,244,910

See, a bad incident among over 8 million people is, sadly, almost an inevitability. Same said incident among fewer than 8,000, however, has a tad more impact on that community.
 
2013-04-03 01:00:23 PM  

olddinosaur: The news is saying white suopremacisists,  but the modus operandi is much more consistent with mexican drug gangs.

For some reason no one wants to tell the truth.

Suspicious?


\\ not the first time somnething like this has happened.


Well, the "truth" is that there is no evidence yet that points to Mexican drug gangs, aside from the modus operandi of which you speak.  I'd certainly agree that this is not normal behavior for white (or black) gangs, there's nothing that points to Mexican drug gangs.  So I'm not sure why you think there is some sort of coverrup.
 
2013-04-03 01:04:02 PM  

EyeballKid: Nation of Islam is supposedly active in Richmond and Norfolk, but counted as two groups for Virginia).  Not sure if that is the best way to do it, but that is how they count.


Nation of Islam is a hate group now?  They actually some good in the community.  I agree they've got a ton of skeletons in their closet, but no more than either political party.
 
2013-04-03 01:10:06 PM  

PackofJokers: it looks like there's a KKK office on the same street as a Black Panther Party office. Wonder if they have a corporate softball league.


So they can put aside their differences to finally win a game against GLAAD?
 
2013-04-03 01:14:39 PM  

FLMountainMan: pciszek: WhoGAS: This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.

I hear that overt racism is more socially acceptable in the south now than it was in the 80's.

Oh, well if you heard it, I'm sure it's true.


onzmadi: Phinn: FLMountainMan: the SPLC focuses on the South

I'm going to start an organization called the "Yankee Asshole Law Center."

It's going to focus on gathering data (to give to the government) to track asshole behavior in places like New York and other Rust Belt sewers.

Anyone who promotes violating people's basic human rights to economic liberty, self-defense or freedom of association will end up on the YALC's Watch List as a member of a Hate Group.

hmmm the thought of someone from florida calling my reigion a sewer is kind of amusing.
back to your bibles guns and crushing poverty jethro

DERP.  Yes, the flourishing prosperty of Detroit and the rest of the Rust Belt.  I just wish I could live there.

StreetlightInTheGhetto:
There are a fair amount of black people in Jasper.  I doubt they are grabbing people because of their hair.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd,_Jr.

Yeah there's a fair amount of black people.  THERE ARE ALSO REALLY F--KING VIOLENT RACISTS.

Jesus Christ.  I hate the stuff I remember sometimes.

Jasper's 50% black.  And yes, there was a disgusting racially motivated murder there.   And yet it seems like every year, a black kid holding a soda bottle gets gunned down by a NYC cop.  Or sodomized with a plunger.  But New York, the second most segregated city in the country, is held out as some sort of racial utopia, while Jasper, TX is Stormfront Central.

I've never been to either city, but it's baffling to me how self-deluded the Northeast and Midwest are as to their own racial problems.


Was a comparison the point? No. It was is Jasper prone to racially motivated violence. Recent History says yes.
 
2013-04-03 01:15:20 PM  
Blacks have gangs

Asians have gangs

Arabs have gangs

Whites have hate groups...

Funny how the law works, and punishes one more then the others.
 
2013-04-03 01:15:41 PM  

Jacobin: How the hell would you do a line up? Find 5 other guys with tats all over their faces and then try to read the tats?


Line-ups are terrible anyway, since the natural response is to pick the best match out of the six people who are there and instantly convince yourself that he's the guilty one. It's much better to say "that's the guy" or "that isn't the guy" to a series of individually-presented photographs of unknown number.

/just thought I'd mention that while we're on the subject of terrible crime-reduction methods
 
2013-04-03 01:17:34 PM  

Witty_Retort: [www.gangsinla.com image 350x300]
Hey guys! These for-profit prisons are working out great!


For him (and the greater good) I suspect prison is probably the place he will be most productive.
 
2013-04-03 01:18:17 PM  

atomicmask: Blacks have gangs

Asians have gangs

Arabs have gangs

Whites have hate groups...

Funny how the law works, and punishes one more then the others.


I know.  Look at how many more whites are incarcerated.  It's just disgusting.
 
2013-04-03 01:18:22 PM  
I found this in an article linked to in the linked-to article:

The defense attorney, Richard O. Ely II, told the Morning News that he received an email Tuesday morning from the prosecutor, Jay Hileman, in which Hileman informed Ely that he was off the case.

Ely, a former prosecutor who described himself as a good friend of Hileman's, told the Morning News that Hileman is likely concerned about his family after the recent killings of two prosecutors in Kaufman County, Texas.

"He's obviously made a decision based on something," Ely said.


So the lawyers for the defense concede that it's credible for people linked to their clients to make even Federal prosecutors afraid for their families? If I were on trial in acase like this I'd make sure my lawyer described me as a gentle little lamb who only wants to nurture people, or I'd put a hit out on his family.

Maybe these criminals need criminal lawyers. On Breaking Bad Walter's lawyer is a 100% stand-up guy: he didn't even turn on him when the Big Bad Guys got involved. Surely there have to be honorable defense attorneys in real life.

CSB: The last time I needed a lawyer, back in 1984, he worked out a deal he thought was fair instead of trying to get me off. But a year of very loosely supervised Probation Before Judgment was probably the best I could have gotten under the circumstances, and anyway the lawyer was very old and had gotten used to making deals, being mobbed up and a non-covert member of the Communist Party. (The latter part was well known: he hung out at the Party book store, was very involved in its public activities and got Soviet Life delivered to his home unwrapped on purpose.) Given the circles I ran in then it would've been easier to hide from the cops than from him and his friends: I didn't want to piss off the KGB over a dinky little misdemeanor.
 
2013-04-03 01:19:21 PM  

FLMountainMan: atomicmask: Blacks have gangs

Asians have gangs

Arabs have gangs

Whites have hate groups...

Funny how the law works, and punishes one more then the others.

I know.  Look at how many more whites are incarcerated.  It's just disgusting.


Ahh so the quantity of criminals locked up that are other races besides white means that obviously whites are treated better?

Maybe there are just more minority criminals then white criminals.
 
2013-04-03 01:20:07 PM  

syberpud: Take the numbers with a grain of salt. SPLC has been under some heat about inflating the numbers in order to fundraise off of them (i.e. the problem is getting worse, donate today!). They have even started labeling so-called "pick up artists" as hate groups. The number of groups seems to increase every year, so one wonders how they decide what constitutes a separate group vs. a gang that splinters into smaller groups. Or a large group that has two addresses (e.g. in VA, the Nation of Islam is supposedly active in Richmond and Norfolk, but counted as two groups for Virginia). Not sure if that is the best way to do it, but that is how they count.


One could argue that if the groups are increasing every day then the SPLC isn't exactly doing a good job
 
2013-04-03 01:22:12 PM  

Phinn: vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.

Maybe the government can declare a mobile 10-foot radius around every prosecutor as a "gun free zone."

Passing laws solves everything.  Words are just like reality.


You do realize that guns have a range a bit longer than 10 feet, right?
 
2013-04-03 01:28:18 PM  

vudukungfu: I see the big, bad DHS can use extreme rendition on a Canadian teenager, and bag him off to GITMO, but they don't have the testes to go after a real domestic terrorist.
Nice of them to spend your tax dollars on brass and glass, and not kick ass.


Wrong group, its DOJ not DHS.

They are actually two floors down from me, so I am really NOT getting a kick out of this entire thing. I don't blame the prosecutor at all for withdrawing if there are security concerns. The DOJ will bring in an experienced attorney from waaay out of state to handle the case.

And this has always been the risk when going after large groups - mafia, hate group, gangs... these groups use violence and intimidation as their core tools, and have no problem using them against officials. At least the people at the DOJ have extensive backup and protection at their beck and call - most local prosecutors do not have that option.
 
2013-04-03 01:29:24 PM  
We're supposed to have 10 "hate groups" in Kentucky but the map only shows five, and all it shows for Lexington is the United Klans.

Clearly SPLC should broaden their definition of "hate group": I'd include, among others, the Southern Baptist Convention.
 
2013-04-03 01:31:23 PM  

pseudoscience: Phinn: vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.

Maybe the government can declare a mobile 10-foot radius around every prosecutor as a "gun free zone."

Passing laws solves everything.  Words are just like reality.

You do realize that guns have a range a bit longer than 10 feet, right?


Then they had better enlarge the Gun Free Zone!

Since changing complex social realities is only a matter of writing new laws, it's a simple matter to add an extra zero or two to the radius of magic protection.
 
2013-04-03 01:34:07 PM  

olddinosaur: pciszek: Serious question here:  Did the Mafia ever do anything as gutsy as assassinate prosecuting attorneys?

The Mexican cartels usually whack people at random, so if I get busted in Houston for example, my gang might whack a judge in San Antonio, a Prosecutor in Dallas or a prominent police officer in El Paso.


Actually, I meant the Sicilian Mafia, the classic pinstriped suit guys.
 
2013-04-03 01:38:32 PM  

vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.


Right, like that deputy district attorney in Hot Sulphur Springs, CO. Her and her cop husband shot and killed an intruder Monday night. Nice attempt at a troll though.
 
2013-04-03 01:38:46 PM  

Pollexter: Soooo you've just taught every drug dealing gang in the US that the easiest way to have a large Federal case dropped is to assassinate a few prosecutors. That's going to turn out awesome.


Great point...
 
2013-04-03 01:38:57 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: liam76: cman: mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.

Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away.

They started as a prison gang.

the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly

There are a fair amount of black people in Jasper.  I doubt they are grabbing people because of their hair.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd,_Jr.

Yeah there's a fair amount of black people.  THERE ARE ALSO REALLY F--KING VIOLENT RACISTS.

Jesus Christ.  I hate the stuff I remember sometimes.



I remebered Jasper because of that crime too.  The conversation was implying that Jasper is dangerous to be black.  Jasper isn't some haven for the Aryan nation where black people can't go (as was the implication I got from the guys little story).
 
2013-04-03 01:42:53 PM  

moonscatter: vudukungfu: I see the big, bad DHS can use extreme rendition on a Canadian teenager, and bag him off to GITMO, but they don't have the testes to go after a real domestic terrorist.
Nice of them to spend your tax dollars on brass and glass, and not kick ass.

Wrong group, its DOJ not DHS.


The victims may be DOJ, but I think vudukungfu meant that the DHS should be treating this as domestic terrorism and doing something about it.  I have noticed that when a right-wing white guy does the sort of thing that we would normally associate with terrorists--such as plant a bomb along a parade route--it is always treated as an ordinary crime rather than a terrorist act.
 
2013-04-03 01:43:52 PM  

FLMountainMan: EyeballKid: Nation of Islam is supposedly active in Richmond and Norfolk, but counted as two groups for Virginia).  Not sure if that is the best way to do it, but that is how they count.

Nation of Islam is a hate group now?  They actually some good in the community.  I agree they've got a ton of skeletons in their closet, but no more than either political party.


According to the SPLC (which operates under their own definition).  They count "Black Separatists  as a hate category.  One of the few non-white classifications (although some like "Radical Traditional Catholic" might be pan-racial).  I notice they don't include groups like La Raza, which some call a hate (or Latino separatist/supremacist) group.  Goes to show that it all depends on how you classify "hate".

/I also note that the SPLC "Hate Map" shows 0 groups in Hawaii, but their own website has stories of racial motivated crimes in Hawaii.  Must not be organized enough to be called a group?
 
2013-04-03 01:46:32 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Coolfusis: One of my papers for my last government class dealt with recidivism rates in states with increased state-sponsored rehabilitation compared to states without it. The effects were about what you'd expect. States that had (well-funded) rehab programs experienced a lot less trouble - not surprising when you consider that people are less likely to be assholes when you treat them like human beings.

Send your paper to the dept. of education.


If I had to be completely honest, there are a great many papers written on the same subject by people with much more research and credentials under their belt. I wasn't breaking any ground in my undergrad government class.

Still, it speaks volumes about the state of our democracy when literally everything points to the fact that we're doing something horribly wrong, but we aren't going to change it because we would appear "weak on crime"
 
2013-04-03 01:49:40 PM  

KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun


I'd take that map with a *MAJOR* grain of salt.

The SPLC is known to, erm, exaggerate both the numbers and the actual threats.  Here is a really good summary of the SPLC.
 
2013-04-03 01:50:13 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: I would also argue that because we do this, this in itself is a huge deterrent to NOT commit those lesser crimes. What would be the deterrent if those lesser crimes were simply dealt with "UN" style with strong words and no real consequences? As a child, when I would talk back to my parents, I would get spanked - therefore I knew the limits and avoided talking back to my parents. My friends for the most part had very lenient parents and walked all over them. Their punishment would be something like time out or "Honey, you shouldn't talk that way!" My friends who had the lenient parents eventually escalated their bad behavior whereas I was always kept in check. Sometimes, using the axe for a hang nail is the right approach.


Today your parents would be in prison with the hard offenders you're talking about...and that's his point, dude. Thanks for making it for him.
 
2013-04-03 01:50:58 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active.


They're actually a bigger presence in major cities.  Especially in N. Texas--most meth comes from the cartels or the AB.

There's a lot to complain about in Jasper, but not as much as there is in Vidor, and about the same as in any small town across the country, even in the North.

The most open racism I run across is when I'm in the mid-west.  Not that latent racism is good, but Texas is no worse than just about anywhere else.  At least we don't corral all of our black people in the same place and call it Watts or Harlem.

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


It's funny how many people didn't get this.
 
2013-04-03 01:52:22 PM  

moonscatter: these groups use violence and intimidation as their core tools, and have no problem using them against officials.


Then you should use a larger force of Violence and Intimidation against them and do it very quickly.
I mean, that IS the business model you employ against the average, ordinary, usually law-abiding citizen who had a job, and pays taxes.
Stop kissing these punks asses and knock them down.
Agreed, it's a hornet's nest, so you'r going to need a bigger can of spray.
Whip it out, already.
Madsen.jpeg
 
2013-04-03 01:53:15 PM  

olddinosaur: Their strategy is so spread the danger as wide as possible, put everyone at risk.


Not in the US it's not.  You don't crap where you eat.
 
2013-04-03 01:56:45 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.


^^ That
 
2013-04-03 01:57:19 PM  

dittybopper: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun

I'd take that map with a *MAJOR* grain of salt.

The SPLC is known to, erm, exaggerate both the numbers and the actual threats.  Here is a really good summary of the SPLC.


...Do you have any better sources than those? Scrolling down and seeing "White liberals HATE being called racists" and "bleeding-heart extremists" casts severe doubt on the how unbiased they are. Plus, the "evidence" that they've exaggerated the claims is "I've never seen them, and I asked all my friends - they'd never seen them either!" coupled with the cops saying that they've investigated, but didn't find anything criminal, so stopped. That doesn't mean that there isn't a sect there.
 
Ehh
2013-04-03 01:58:07 PM  

Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?


Maybe they'll go bowling with some hippie chicks.
 
2013-04-03 01:59:32 PM  

atomicmask: Blacks have gangs

Asians have gangs

Arabs have gangs

Whites have hate groups... mafias



FTFY
Armenian, Russian, Sicilian, Irish, etc.


Also, Arabs have gangs?
 
2013-04-03 02:00:22 PM  

dittybopper: The SPLC is known to, erm, exaggerate both the numbers and the actual threats. Here is a really good summary of the SPLC.


A parable of a man with a plank of wood in his eye trying to get a splinter out of someone else's eye comes to mind.
 
2013-04-03 02:02:08 PM  

pciszek: Mugato: orclover: Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.

Almost every racist I've heard of make exceptions for "the good ones" when it's convenient.

As I recall the Japanese were made honorary Aryans, but the Chinese were not.  And no, Godwin's Law does not apply when we are discussing a group that calls itself The Aryan Brotherhood.


So were Muslims.
 
2013-04-03 02:03:43 PM  

syberpud: PackofJokers: KhamanV: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map ---

I forgot to add that Texas has 62 groups.  In their state, the vast majority of these groups are white supremacist, including 26 chapters of the Ku Klux Klan.

holy shiatsnacks, a link!

Surely not in my city, with its modern infrastructure, cosmopolitan denizens, and gay mayor....

....well, only 3 within the city limits. And it looks like there's a KKK office on the same street as a Black Panther Party office. Wonder if they have a corporate softball league.

/not looking up which street that is on my work computer

Take the numbers with a grain of salt.  SPLC has been under some heat about inflating the numbers in order to fundraise off of them (i.e. the problem is getting worse, donate today!).  They have even started labeling so-called "pick up artists" as hate groups.  The number of groups seems to increase every year, so one wonders how they decide what constitutes a separate group vs. a gang that splinters into smaller groups.  Or a large group that has two addresses (e.g. in VA, the Nation of Islam is supposedly active in Richmond and Norfolk, but counted as two groups for Virginia).  Not sure if that is the best way to do it, but that is how they count.


r/mensrights? Absurd. Stupid, juvenile, and misogynistic sure, but hate group? C'mon splc, there are real hate groups to worry about
 
2013-04-03 02:11:22 PM  

syberpud: I notice they don't include groups like La Raza


Why would they?
La Raza is the latino equivalent of the NAACP, and it considered an ally of SPLC.

They do list folks like Voz de Atzlan, however.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all -i ssues/2001/fall/ethnic-nationalism
 
2013-04-03 02:11:32 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: atomicmask: Blacks have gangs

Asians have gangs

Arabs have gangs

Whites have hate groups... mafias


FTFY
Armenian, Russian, Sicilian, Irish, etc.


Also, Arabs have gangs?


Well duh! Haven't you heard of the Muslim Brotherhood? They're working right now to bring Schario law to America!

(going to leave that phone voice transcription right where I found it)
 
2013-04-03 02:13:18 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: syberpud: I notice they don't include groups like La Raza

Why would they?
La Raza is the latino equivalent of the NAACP, and it considered an ally of SPLC.

They do list folks like Voz de Atzlan, however.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all -i ssues/2001/fall/ethnic-nationalism


Some people will tell you that the NAACP is a radical hate group.
 
2013-04-03 02:13:47 PM  

Phinn: pseudoscience: Phinn: vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.

Maybe the government can declare a mobile 10-foot radius around every prosecutor as a "gun free zone."

Passing laws solves everything.  Words are just like reality.

You do realize that guns have a range a bit longer than 10 feet, right?

Then they had better enlarge the Gun Free Zone!

Since changing complex social realities is only a matter of writing new laws, it's a simple matter to add an extra zero or two to the radius of magic protection.


Laws are a nessesary part of a well regulated and functioning society.  You're advocating for anarchy because you can't reconcile the fact that laws do impact behavior in society. It's not clever, and it's not helping responsible gun owners contribute to the form those laws take.
 
2013-04-03 02:13:48 PM  
With all the controversy over anti-terrorism laws and the continuing use of Guantanamo Bay as a prison for terrorists, it may turn out that the existence of the Aryan Brotherhood is a perfect reason for using these laws and keeping Gitmo open.

///There should be a few empty cages for these people once the Muslim prisoners are released
 
2013-04-03 02:14:34 PM  

vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.


Is THAT what guns do? And here I've been wearing seatbelts and avoiding high crime areas like one of the "normies"...
 
2013-04-03 02:27:05 PM  

vudukungfu: moonscatter: these groups use violence and intimidation as their core tools, and have no problem using them against officials.

Then you should use a larger force of Violence and Intimidation against them and do it very quickly.
I mean, that IS the business model you employ against the average, ordinary, usually law-abiding citizen who had a job, and pays taxes.
Stop kissing these punks asses and knock them down.
Agreed, it's a hornet's nest, so you'r going to need a bigger can of spray.
Whip it out, already.
Madsen.jpeg


Umm... I'm just a humble civil attorney! I can writ e a mean petition though... maybe give 'em some paper cuts?

Just happen to be in the building where the US attorneys' office is.
 
2013-04-03 02:32:14 PM  

Greylight: Phinn: pseudoscience: Phinn: vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.

Maybe the government can declare a mobile 10-foot radius around every prosecutor as a "gun free zone."

Passing laws solves everything.  Words are just like reality.

You do realize that guns have a range a bit longer than 10 feet, right?

Then they had better enlarge the Gun Free Zone!

Since changing complex social realities is only a matter of writing new laws, it's a simple matter to add an extra zero or two to the radius of magic protection.

Laws are a nessesary part of a well regulated and functioning society.  You're advocating for anarchy because you can't reconcile the fact that laws do impact behavior in society. It's not clever, and it's not helping responsible gun owners contribute to the form those laws take.


I'm not advocating for anything, merely pointing out that asshats who don't understand complex systems (things like "the economy," or "society") think they can write magic words on paper and cause goodness to blossom in the world, watered by the fountain of their beneficent hearts.

Progressives -- Ruining people's lives with their micromanaging control-freak ideas since 1890.

How's that War on Drugs working out, by the way?  Notice any deleterious secondary or tertiary economic effects from it?
 
2013-04-03 02:34:02 PM  

The One True TheDavid: James!: Nabb1:

Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?

I tried that with the KKK, but they took my baby away.  They took her away. Away from me.

Were you using her for a ball?


I think perhaps he beat on the brat.
 
2013-04-03 02:40:22 PM  
Thanks to browsing the SPLC map, today I learned there are more hate groups in California than Texas. Didn't see that coming. Perhaps I'm naïve.
 
2013-04-03 02:48:11 PM  
I really hope there were more compelling reasons than "safety concerns" that led to him withdrawing from the case. Because federal prosecutors bring cases against scary people all the time -- it is part of the job. If he honestly felt too afraid to continue on the case, he needs to not be a prosecutor anymore.
 
2013-04-03 02:49:04 PM  
wiwille Thanks to browsing the SPLC map, today I learned there are more hate groups in California than Texas. Didn't see that coming. Perhaps I'm naïve.

I don't know about the numbers in comparison to Texas, but away from the coasts, you get some seriously redneck-y areas in California.  As in some serious white supremecist activity including kkk and Aryan nations groups, not to mention the prison gangs.  California isn't just LA/SF/Berkeley.   Not by a long shot.
 
2013-04-03 02:54:14 PM  

WhoGAS: pciszek: WhoGAS: This was when it was still okay to be vocally racist, too, 80s and early 90s.

I hear that overt racism is more socially acceptable in the south now than it was in the 80's.

Not sure about that.  I haven't been back to Texas in about four years.  I do visit Oklahoma when a relative dies (5 in this last 12 month time-span including dad and sister) so I tend to interact with them often; well, the ones who are left - heh.

The Oklahomans, whatever race/creed/color, are much friendlier and welcoming than anyone around me in San Diego/Poway have ever been so I don't think it's bad.

Here (CA), I feel the racism deeply...as a white person, I had never encountered it before but here, just wow...being told that you aren't right for the job because they need a Mexican or Asian...Nah, they're not that bad, but if you're not the same race as the person you run into, well you have no chance at becoming friends.


Well, I heard from someone in Alabama, but he wasn't referring to racism directed against white people.
 
2013-04-03 03:04:37 PM  

PapaChester: [img5.imageshack.us image 140x191]

"They'll kill me."


Does that guy have a vagina on his forehead?
 
2013-04-03 03:08:44 PM  
Ironic how they think they're the "Supreme race" and show it with unevolved ape-man barbarism.

Maybe evolution is working in reverse for them. One day they'll all wake up and discover they're Dimetrodons, and we'll have a plague of sail-backed synapsids running around.

/at least then we'll have an excuse to shoot and imprison them
 
2013-04-03 03:23:31 PM  

Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense. Has anyone tried to take them bowling?


yeah, but they got all freaked out cause they were surrounded by big black balls and tried to hang them.
 
2013-04-03 04:50:00 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.


You're living in a fantasy world if you think anyone's doing prison time for writing a bad check.
 
2013-04-03 04:51:34 PM  

Coolfusis: dittybopper: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun

I'd take that map with a *MAJOR* grain of salt.

The SPLC is known to, erm, exaggerate both the numbers and the actual threats.  Here is a really good summary of the SPLC.

...Do you have any better sources than those? Scrolling down and seeing "White liberals HATE being called racists" and "bleeding-heart extremists" casts severe doubt on the how unbiased they are. Plus, the "evidence" that they've exaggerated the claims is "I've never seen them, and I asked all my friends - they'd never seen them either!" coupled with the cops saying that they've investigated, but didn't find anything criminal, so stopped. That doesn't mean that there isn't a sect there.


He cited American Thinker.  That very clearly shows that dittybopper has no idea what a credible source looks like.
 
2013-04-03 05:00:27 PM  

anfrind: Coolfusis: dittybopper: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun

I'd take that map with a *MAJOR* grain of salt.

The SPLC is known to, erm, exaggerate both the numbers and the actual threats.  Here is a really good summary of the SPLC.

...Do you have any better sources than those? Scrolling down and seeing "White liberals HATE being called racists" and "bleeding-heart extremists" casts severe doubt on the how unbiased they are. Plus, the "evidence" that they've exaggerated the claims is "I've never seen them, and I asked all my friends - they'd never seen them either!" coupled with the cops saying that they've investigated, but didn't find anything criminal, so stopped. That doesn't mean that there isn't a sect there.

He cited American Thinker.  That very clearly shows that dittybopper has no idea what a credible source looks like.


When you're finished attacking the source, you might want to do your own analysis of whether many of the groups listed as hate groups by the SPLC are really hate groups.  And, of course, consider the natural tendency of advocacy groups to drift from their mission in order to acquire more money/power/influence to protect those employed/validated by them.  (See:  MAAD, DHS, NRA, NAACP, etc...)
 
2013-04-03 05:08:06 PM  

FLMountainMan: anfrind: Coolfusis: dittybopper: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun

I'd take that map with a *MAJOR* grain of salt.

The SPLC is known to, erm, exaggerate both the numbers and the actual threats.  Here is a really good summary of the SPLC.

...Do you have any better sources than those? Scrolling down and seeing "White liberals HATE being called racists" and "bleeding-heart extremists" casts severe doubt on the how unbiased they are. Plus, the "evidence" that they've exaggerated the claims is "I've never seen them, and I asked all my friends - they'd never seen them either!" coupled with the cops saying that they've investigated, but didn't find anything criminal, so stopped. That doesn't mean that there isn't a sect there.

He cited American Thinker.  That very clearly shows that dittybopper has no idea what a credible source looks like.

When you're finished attacking the source, you might want to do your own analysis of whether many of the groups listed as hate groups by the SPLC are really hate groups.  And, of course, consider the natural tendency of advocacy groups to drift from their mission in order to acquire more money/power/influence to protect those employed/validated by them.  (See:  MAAD, DHS, NRA, NAACP, etc...)


When you're using a source as evidence for your claims, someone attacking the source's credibility is not only valid, it's necessary. This prevents an article written by your crazy uncle from being used to refute an article written by an actual researcher. This is not to be confused with attacking the source directly, ie: "that newspaper is full of WHORES!"

As for whether or not these are hate groups: I wouldn't have the foggiest idea. I'm not educated on hate group classification in any way.
 
2013-04-03 05:23:56 PM  

Phinn: I'm not advocating for anything, merely pointing out that asshats who don't understand complex systems (things like "the economy," or "society") think they can write magic words on paper and cause goodness to blossom in the world, watered by the fountain of their beneficent hearts.


This is roughly the same argument currently being advanced by other smart 'conservatives' like yourself in support of not bothering with climate change.

1) It isn't happening.
THEN
2) Ok its happening, but it isn't man causing it
THEN
3) Ok so it is happening and we ARE causing it, but its so far gone, whachagonnado?


SAME AS

1) Guns don't kill people people do.
THEN
2) Ok, maybe guns make it significantly easier for people to kill people
THEN
3) Hey, ok, guns are killing us, but WTF, take my guns and only criminals will have guns! Severly limiting access to firearms now will never have ANY effect on the future availability of said firarms!

Its amazing that you (and others in this thread) don't see the inherent stupidity in your argument.
 
2013-04-03 05:25:06 PM  

Coolfusis: When you're using a source as evidence for your claims, someone attacking the source's credibility is not only valid, it's necessary. This prevents an article written by your crazy uncle from being used to refute an article written by an actual researcher. This is not to be confused with attacking the source directly, ie: "that newspaper is full of WHORES!"


newsletter?
 
2013-04-03 06:01:03 PM  

JustGetItRight: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think anyone's doing prison time for writing a bad check.


They are going to prison for a hell of a lot less than that.
 
2013-04-03 06:01:39 PM  

liam76: JustGetItRight: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think anyone's doing prison time for writing a bad check.

They are going to prison for a hell of a lot less than that.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/debtors-prison

Link...
 
2013-04-03 06:06:32 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: MyKingdomForYourHorse: the money is in the banana stand: Because we arbitrarily incarcerate people? Please, the only offense that should not result in incarceration at this current time is possession of marijuana. Blame society instead of those responsible? The problem is that incarceration is not enough....

Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.

So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.


Says the guy who says EVERY offense except marijuana possession should result in incarceration.
 
2013-04-03 06:14:03 PM  

dittybopper: KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun

I'd take that map with a *MAJOR* grain of salt.

The SPLC is known to, erm, exaggerate both the numbers and the actual threats.  Here is a really good summary of the SPLC.


As big a grain of salt as Legal Insurrection and American Thinker?  Why not just cite the Daily Tucker?
 
2013-04-03 06:24:10 PM  

Phinn: Progressives -- Ruining people's lives with their micromanaging control-freak ideas since 1890.


Damn the Sherman Antitrust Act.  Combinations in restraint of trade are what made America great.
 
2013-04-03 06:32:31 PM  

Phinn: Greylight: Phinn: pseudoscience: Phinn: vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.

Maybe the government can declare a mobile 10-foot radius around every prosecutor as a "gun free zone."

Passing laws solves everything.  Words are just like reality.

You do realize that guns have a range a bit longer than 10 feet, right?

Then they had better enlarge the Gun Free Zone!

Since changing complex social realities is only a matter of writing new laws, it's a simple matter to add an extra zero or two to the radius of magic protection.

Laws are a nessesary part of a well regulated and functioning society.  You're advocating for anarchy because you can't reconcile the fact that laws do impact behavior in society. It's not clever, and it's not helping responsible gun owners contribute to the form those laws take.

I'm not advocating for anything, merely pointing out that asshats who don't understand complex systems (things like "the economy," or "society") think they can write magic words on paper and cause goodness to blossom in the world, watered by the fountain of their beneficent hearts.

Progressives -- Ruining people's lives with their micromanaging control-freak ideas since 1890.

How's that War on Drugs working out, by the way?  Notice any deleterious secondary or tertiary economic effects from it?


You're arguing with imaginary voices in your head.  It looks odd, but if it keeps you out of trouble, go for it.
 
2013-04-03 06:54:07 PM  

moonscatter: I can writ e a mean petition though


writ e a?
What's all this Latin jibber jabber mumbo jumbo?
 
2013-04-03 07:21:33 PM  

Pollexter: Soooo you've just taught every drug dealing gang in the US that the easiest way to have a large Federal case dropped is to assassinate a few prosecutors. That's going to turn out awesome.


You're claiming that the case has been dropped?  Perhaps you'll also claim that the guy has been released?  Brilliant.
 
2013-04-03 08:23:20 PM  
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2013-04-03 08:35:50 PM  
atomicmask:

Maybe there are just more minority criminals then white criminals.

Not quite. More minority people, a disproportionate percentage of their numbers, are incarcerated. This does not necessarily mean there are fewer white criminals or that whites are less likely to be criminals, only that more minority pople are arrested, prosecuted and locked up. And I can provide a large part of the reason: several times in my long life white cops -- and not only in the South -- have told me that since I'm white they're going easy on me.

One of those times was driving down Route 29 on Christmas night to find myself not just pulled over but literally surrounded by 3 or 4 police cars and required to exit my vehicle at gunpoint: it turned out that a cop had seen me back into his cruiser in a 7/11 parking lot and then just drive away. The reason I drove off like nothing had happened was because I hadn't noticed it because we had the radio turned up and anyway the dent they showed me was so minor a normal person would have shrugged it off. It wasn't like I'd smashed up the cop's fender on purpose and scurried off laughing: had I noticed that the obvious thing to do would have been to park right away and scurry in to the 7/11 to express contrition. After about 10 minutes of hard talk they accepted my answer (one cop said "I get it, he's saying he's not THAT stupid"), and I wound up getting only a 4-point ticket for Unsafe Backing, but that encounter greatly exacerbated my stammering and sorely tried my bladder control.

But here's the point: more than once they made it clear to me that because I was white, looked "basically respectable" and was properly deferential they were not going to search the car despite the aroma they'd noticed as soon as I rolled down the window. This was very good because not only were the three of us stoned on reefer but between us we were also transporting some marijuana packaged for resale, carrying several hits of LSD and a bit of hash, and were driving down there anyway so the friend of a friend in the back seat could sell a few grams of Bolivian flake.

But we were all white and dressed sort of preppy (it was after all Christmas night and we had been to a semi-formal party), and I blubberingly showed my abject fear respect for police authority, so they went easy on us. And this from cowboy cops who noted at least 3 times that they'd rather not have to work on Christmas night on a holiday weekend in the first place.

I got four points for Unsafe Backing and slightly dampened Levi's. When a carload of "non-white" 19-20 year olds would surely have been searched and busted and most likely sent to prison for several years.

So why might there be more "minorities" in the clink?

Sheesh.
 
2013-04-03 08:43:22 PM  

JustGetItRight: MyKingdomForYourHorse:

Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think anyone's doing prison time for writing a bad check.


Ever heard of Three Strikes? I've read about middle-aged guys getting locked up for the rest of their lives for failing to successfully shoplift a pizza.

What planet are you posting from?
 
2013-04-03 09:09:36 PM  

vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.



Intruder shot dead at home of rural Colorado prosecutor

The prosecutor then told dispatchers that the stranger forced his way into her home. An altercation ensued inside and shots were fired, leaving the unidentified man dead, police said.

A spokeswoman for one of the agencies investigating the incident told Reuters that the prosecutor and her husband, himself a sheriff's deputy, both fired at the intruder, but it is too early in the probe to know who fired the fatal shot.
 
2013-04-03 11:24:59 PM  

vicioushobbit: the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.

Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.


LOL and filed a report at the nearest station, wouldn't you?
 
2013-04-03 11:35:58 PM  

zepillin: vicioushobbit: the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.

Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.

LOL and filed a report at the nearest station, wouldn't you?


Hell no, from my home town station.  That's where I'd file the report.
 
2013-04-04 02:18:39 AM  

ongbok: pciszek: Mugato: orclover: Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.

Almost every racist I've heard of make exceptions for "the good ones" when it's convenient.

As I recall the Japanese were made honorary Aryans, but the Chinese were not.  And no, Godwin's Law does not apply when we are discussing a group that calls itself The Aryan Brotherhood.




The Japanese are the Texans of the Orient.

The French are the Texans of Europe.

Everythings bigger and better in France ... sigh
 
2013-04-04 10:35:08 AM  

The One True TheDavid: JustGetItRight: MyKingdomForYourHorse:

Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think anyone's doing prison time for writing a bad check.

Ever heard of Three Strikes? I've read about middle-aged guys getting locked up for the rest of their lives for failing to successfully shoplift a pizza.

What planet are you posting from?


In the case of three strikes, he isn't going to prison for shoplifting a pizza.  He's going to prison for repeatedly proving that he cannot follow the rules of society.  Given that the overwhelming majority of crimes are committed by repeat offenders he is exactly the guy that needs to removed from society.

The planet I'm from is the one where people with little or no criminal history are rarely if ever incarcerated beyond a few days in the county or municipal jail for misdemeanor offenses, particularly non-violent ones.  If for no other reason, there simply isn't enough bed space for it - otherwise known as planet Earth, United States version.

The Ayrans, MS-13, Mexican Mafia, and assorted other prison gangs aren't recruiting in the local lockup.  They're in the big state and federal facilities and those facilities aren't holding the guy who bounced a check at Wal-Mart.
 
2013-04-04 10:42:37 AM  

JustGetItRight: In the case of three strikes, he isn't going to prison for shoplifting a pizza. He's going to prison for repeatedly proving that he cannot follow the rules of society. Given that the overwhelming majority of crimes are committed by repeat offenders he is exactly the guy that needs to removed from society.


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