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(Talking Points Memo)   Prosecutor heading up the case against an Aryan hate group in Texas resigns over security reasons, sends letter to every member of the defense so their clients don't kill him like they killed the two other prosecutors   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 198
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2013-04-03 09:06:19 AM  
Even the chickens are bigger in Texas.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-03 09:23:37 AM  
If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.
 
2013-04-03 09:30:40 AM  
I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.
 
2013-04-03 09:41:43 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


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2013-04-03 09:45:30 AM  
We need to call in the "Texas Hammer"...
 
2013-04-03 09:49:14 AM  
Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?
 
2013-04-03 09:53:03 AM  

Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?


I tried that with the KKK, but they took my baby away.  They took her away. Away from me.
 
2013-04-03 10:08:07 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


Most def

They started as a hate group but have been moving slowly away. Hell, one of their biggest allies is the Mexican Mafia, and we know how Aryan they are. Plus, their alliance with Italian mobs is a bit of a strange one, too.

I think that the AB is just another one of those prison gangs that is in it to make money. They do keep with the theme of hate because it is something that binds them together, but money speaks more than hate.

Nevertheless they are still dangerous and I still think they will kill a black man if given the opportunity.
 
2013-04-03 10:09:45 AM  
To be fair, my experiences with prosecutors leads me to believe they are all sadistic pricks.
 
2013-04-03 10:23:24 AM  

mysticcat: I think they're more of a criminal gang than a hate group.


They are actually a prison gang, so yeah.
 
hej [TotalFark]
2013-04-03 10:23:28 AM  

vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.


Or at least he'd be able to shoot back.
 
2013-04-03 10:23:36 AM  
So much for being tough on crime.
 
2013-04-03 10:25:18 AM  
There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.
 
2013-04-03 10:26:33 AM  
coward.
 
2013-04-03 10:26:56 AM  
I was under the impression the investigation was turning away from the Aryan Brotherhood, and that they were not actually likely culprits?
 
2013-04-03 10:27:41 AM  
Brave Sir. Hileman ran away....
 
2013-04-03 10:27:58 AM  
This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.
 
2013-04-03 10:28:08 AM  

Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?


I did once.  Drove them to the bowling alley in my camper van.
 
2013-04-03 10:29:30 AM  
Soooo you've just taught every drug dealing gang in the US that the easiest way to have a large Federal case dropped is to assassinate a few prosecutors. That's going to turn out awesome.
 
2013-04-03 10:30:01 AM  
Welcome to Mexico?
 
2013-04-03 10:31:10 AM  
someone's taking that * kill all lawyers * thing pretty seriously
 
2013-04-03 10:31:17 AM  

Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.


Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.
 
2013-04-03 10:31:57 AM  

THX 1138: Nabb1: Man, those white supremacists are pretty intense.  Has anyone tried to take them bowling?

I did once.  Drove them to the bowling alley in my camper van.


Oh you. Just do it already.
 
2013-04-03 10:32:27 AM  

hej: vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.

Or at least he'd be able to shoot back.


That worked great for the second prosecutor and his wife, who stated the same thing then were killed in their pajamas.
 
2013-04-03 10:32:58 AM  

hej: vpb: If he just got a gun he would be perfectly safe and untouchable.

Or at least he'd be able to shoot back.


Don't waste your time.  vpb is a shill for the VPC.
 
2013-04-03 10:32:59 AM  

Pollexter: Soooo you've just taught every drug dealing gang in the US that the easiest way to have a large Federal case dropped is to assassinate a few prosecutors. That's going to turn out awesome.


How about no?  Prosecutors, like defense attorneys, withdraw from cases for a variety of reasons all the time.  The charges don't go away, the case just gets assigned to another prosecutor.
 
2013-04-03 10:33:04 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active.


I'll take your word for it.
 
2013-04-03 10:34:04 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.


Because we arbitrarily incarcerate people? Please, the only offense that should not result in incarceration at this current time is possession of marijuana. Blame society instead of those responsible? The problem is that incarceration is not enough....
 
2013-04-03 10:34:51 AM  
Time to send in Janet Reno and the ATF?
 
2013-04-03 10:35:09 AM  
I guess the cops have a hard time providing security when the criminals are white.Not as easy to spot.  I guess having to think twice before you shoot is to much to ask.
 
2013-04-03 10:36:46 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Because we arbitrarily incarcerate people? Please, the only offense that should not result in incarceration at this current time is possession of marijuana. Blame society instead of those responsible? The problem is that incarceration is not enough....


Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.
 
2013-04-03 10:37:42 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.


Do you really want to live in a world where a kid with an ounce of pot is allowed to just roam the streets? It would anarchy! Think of the children!!!
 
2013-04-03 10:38:14 AM  
He should have just setup a projector and played this video over and over using his house as a screen.

That would have fixed things.


Chuck Norris Stares At You For 10 Hours (yt)
 
2013-04-03 10:38:47 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.


Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.
 
2013-04-03 10:39:39 AM  
Domestic terrorists are so cute!
 
2013-04-03 10:39:40 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: the money is in the banana stand: Because we arbitrarily incarcerate people? Please, the only offense that should not result in incarceration at this current time is possession of marijuana. Blame society instead of those responsible? The problem is that incarceration is not enough....

Yep, because housing someone who wrote a bad check with another guy who cooked meth and shot someone is a great idea and works towards the idea of rehabilitation.


So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.
 
2013-04-03 10:39:48 AM  

Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.


SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun
 
2013-04-03 10:39:53 AM  
Was this the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, or the Brotherhood of Texan Aryans?
 
2013-04-03 10:40:52 AM  

JustGetItRight: Pollexter: Soooo you've just taught every drug dealing gang in the US that the easiest way to have a large Federal case dropped is to assassinate a few prosecutors. That's going to turn out awesome.

How about no?  Prosecutors, like defense attorneys, withdraw from cases for a variety of reasons all the time.  The charges don't go away, the case just gets assigned to another prosecutor.


I hope they don't assign it to a guy who is 2 weeks from retirement.
 
2013-04-03 10:41:13 AM  
They need to come down hard on this hate group.  Making someone back down publically like this will only embolden them.  And that will make them kill again.
 
2013-04-03 10:41:23 AM  

vicioushobbit: the money is in the banana stand: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active. My friend's car broke down in Jasper (white guy with dreads) and he was abducted by 2 guys and held in their bathroom. He managed to untie himself and sneak out the window and find his way to the highway. He was pretty sure bad stuff was going to happen to him because he had "n*gger hair". They have actual signs up pointing you to where their lovely gatherings are held along the road. These people are NOT friendly.

Police report? I'm assuming if he snuck out the bathroom and made it to the highway he made note of the house's location.


Yes. This was about 6 years ago. The police investigated but apparently the house was an abandoned dwelling so nothing came of it other than me avoiding that stretch of land at all possible.
 
2013-04-03 10:42:31 AM  
So they BOTH resigned?
 
2013-04-03 10:43:11 AM  

KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map ---


I forgot to add that Texas has 62 groups.  In their state, the vast majority of these groups are white supremacist, including 26 chapters of the Ku Klux Klan.

holy shiatsnacks, a link!
 
2013-04-03 10:43:23 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: So the jails are overflowing with people who wrote bad checks? What would your suggestion be for someone writing a bad check to begin with to rehabilitate them? How do you "rehabilitate" the meth head who shot someone also? I don't disagree those two crimes are vastly different in nature and should be treated as such, but hyperbolizing the situation is not advantageous to your argument.


But its not hyperbole when minor crime offenders are housed with heavier offenders, the private prison system does not take rehabilitation into account. It only requires warm bodies and cares little to nothing about how those warm bodies are put in there. From being behind on child support, to low level drug offenses, minor fraud, simple larceny, etc..

And many of those low level crimes are merely symptoms of larger issues at hand, like substance abuse, poor education, poverty, etc..

Just saying, often times we treat the criminal justice system like an axe.That we use to then cut off our hand, because we have a hang nail.
 
2013-04-03 10:45:57 AM  
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"They'll kill me."
 
2013-04-03 10:47:21 AM  

Mugato: the money is in the banana stand: Go to any smaller SE Texas city like Jasper, the Aryan brotherhood is still alive and active.

I'll take your word for it.


Dont know how bad Vidor is still these days.  Not long ago you could visit there, if you were black, but dont get caught there after sundown.   Texas has a few "sundown" towns.  Whenever I visit my relatives around the state I get reminded of the fact that once you leave Austin, you are in fact in farking Texas.  Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.
 
2013-04-03 10:47:33 AM  
I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often and on a much larger scale. If you're innocent of a crime and have no money or connections, you're going to get royally screwed. You take someone who gets screwed, maybe they snap, maybe they get the Big C, maybe they go Full Dorner. What else do they have? They're not getting a good job with that record. Clearing your name costs big bucks, so that's not an option. I'm just really surprised this doesn't happen more often.

I actually have jury duty next week and I pretty much require uncontested, smoking gun type evidence to convict, especially given the widely reported corruption in my state's crime lab. Unfortunately, in my neck of the woods, questioning evidence usually results in getting shouted down pretty hard in the jury room, so you have to have thick skin.
 
2013-04-03 10:47:56 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you incarcerate nearly one percent of your total population.  Things will really get fun when we hit two percent.


It has less to do with incarceration, and more to do with what we do with them once they're in jail.

As it turns out, grouping a bunch of known criminals into a location where they can share ideas, organize, and build criminal communities while also removing their ability to get well-paying jobs after their sentence is completed and doing next to nothing in the way of rehabilitation to non-criminal society is a terrible idea.

One of my papers for my last government class dealt with recidivism rates in states with increased state-sponsored rehabilitation compared to states without it. The effects were about what you'd expect. States that had (well-funded) rehab programs experienced a lot less trouble - not surprising when you consider that people are less likely to be assholes when you treat them like human beings. The gap gets even wider when you compare them to countries like Norway, but they use different measures of recidivism, so I couldn't use them in the paper.

/My desk was overflowing with stories of people going in for weed, getting out, then going back in for armed robbery/assault/farking murder.
//that_escalated_quickly.jpg
 
2013-04-03 10:48:03 AM  

KhamanV: Mugato: There are still Aryan hate groups outside of prison? That actually do things? I thought nowadays they all just sit around writing on Stormfront and drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I guess I'm sheltered.

SPLC has an interactive map where you can find all the extremist groups operating in the US (white supremacist, actual radical islamists, militant anti-gay, etc).  It's about as heartwarming as the one where you can see where the fallout would spread if your area got hit by a nuke.

/35 hate groups in my state
/16 of them are white supremacist, including KKK
/fun fun fun


That site is both neat and terrifying at the same time.

/25 in Michigan
//thought there would have been more up north
 
2013-04-03 10:48:44 AM  

orclover: Makes me wonder if the Aryans and the Banditos have a truce or what.


Where do you think they get the meth that they sell?
 
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