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(BBC)   The ring that inspired the Tolkien's One Ring goes on display amid high security because it's precious   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 48
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2013-04-03 09:43:15 AM  
One ring to rule them all
 
2013-04-03 09:44:44 AM  
And the article has neither the Latin inscription nor the curse? WTF? Lame.
 
2013-04-03 09:44:57 AM  
They should have just let their girlfriend hold on to it for a while.
 
2013-04-03 09:46:23 AM  

Mudd's woman: They should have just let their girlfriend hold on to it for a while.


They did.
What part of "lay forgotten in a library" did you not understand?
 
2013-04-03 09:46:26 AM  
'Incredible story'

Which will apparently not be told in this article...
 
2013-04-03 09:46:48 AM  
So why didnt Neo just ride the giant eagles all the way to the Death Star?
 
2013-04-03 09:47:32 AM  
We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!
 
2013-04-03 09:48:49 AM  

Subdue their bellies: So why didnt Neo just ride the giant eagles all the way to the Death Star?


The Daleks would have gotten him with their proton torpedoes.
 
2013-04-03 09:49:23 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
/pillow pants
 
2013-04-03 09:49:32 AM  

Subdue their bellies: So why didnt Neo just ride the giant eagles all the way to the Death Star?


No, no. Neo is the First Officer on the Enterprise. You mean Dumbledore.
 
2013-04-03 09:50:32 AM  
When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.
 
2013-04-03 09:50:33 AM  
It's a nose ring?
 
2013-04-03 09:53:44 AM  

give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.


Yeah.  I thought the "One Ring" stuff was inspired by Wagner's operas.
 
2013-04-03 09:55:02 AM  

give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.


There was some foreshadowing in the Hobbit that Bilbo's ring might be more than just a means of disappearing.
 
2013-04-03 09:56:58 AM  
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
 
2013-04-03 10:00:16 AM  
 
2013-04-03 10:00:17 AM  

Kuta: And the article has neither the Latin inscription nor the curse? WTF? Lame.


It's classified. For our safety.
 
2013-04-03 10:01:38 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

There was some foreshadowing in the Hobbit that Bilbo's ring might be more than just a means of disappearing.


That was the revised edition with changes made after the publication of "Lord of the Rings." In the first edition, Gollum reluctantly gives the ring to Bilbo after losing the riddle-game.
 
2013-04-03 10:05:44 AM  

EZ Writer: Subdue their bellies: So why didnt Neo just ride the giant eagles all the way to the Death Star?

The Daleks would have gotten him with their proton torpedoes.


This is what happens when your captain is named Janeway.
 
2013-04-03 10:08:52 AM  

Xythero: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

Yeah.  I thought the "One Ring" stuff was inspired by Wagner's operas.


I thought he was inspired by Herodotus' "Ring of Gyges".
 
2013-04-03 10:12:14 AM  

cgraves67: Xythero: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

Yeah.  I thought the "One Ring" stuff was inspired by Wagner's operas.

I thought he was inspired by Herodotus' "Ring of Gyges".


er. I probably should've looked it up first. The version of the story with the magic ring was by Plato, not Herodotus.
 
2013-04-03 10:18:55 AM  

Kuta: And the article has neither the Latin inscription nor the curse? WTF? Lame.


Came to say this.

Thanks for the link, Madaynun
 
2013-04-03 10:19:35 AM  

cgraves67: cgraves67: Xythero: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

Yeah.  I thought the "One Ring" stuff was inspired by Wagner's operas.

I thought he was inspired by Herodotus' "Ring of Gyges".

er. I probably should've looked it up first. The version of the story with the magic ring was by Plato, not Herodotus.


Wow, it's almost like these archetypal stories get told over and over, changing only slightly as they move between cultures and through time.
 
2013-04-03 10:20:18 AM  

Madaynun: a bit of info on the Curse Tablet mentioned.
http://curses.csad.ox.ac.uk/4Dlink2/4DACTION/WebRequestCurseTablet?t hi sLeafNum=1&searchTerm=&searchType=browse&searchField=CurseNumber&thisL istPosition=20&displayImage=1&displayLatin=1&displayEnglish=1&lastList Position=%3C!--4DVAR%20records%20in%20selection[curse_metadata]--%3E% 20:%20##%20Error%20#%2048


"Do not allow health" until they gives us our precious back? Pretty lame curse, if you ask me...
 
2013-04-03 10:20:25 AM  

cgraves67: cgraves67: Xythero: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

Yeah.  I thought the "One Ring" stuff was inspired by Wagner's operas.

I thought he was inspired by Herodotus' "Ring of Gyges".

er. I probably should've looked it up first. The version of the story with the magic ring was by Plato, not Herodotus.


Certainly the ring of invisibility harkens back to Plato. But the One ring to rule all is not in the Republic. I think that's what Xythero is getting at.
 
2013-04-03 10:22:11 AM  

Xythero: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

Yeah.  I thought the "One Ring" stuff was inspired by Wagner's operas.


If it was, it was probably more directly inspired by the original poem:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibelungenlied
 
2013-04-03 10:24:48 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: There was some foreshadowing in the Hobbit that Bilbo's ring might be more than just a means of disappearing.


Not so much in the original version. Tolkien went back and revised The Hobbit after LoTR was released.
 
2013-04-03 10:26:53 AM  

dionysusaur: cgraves67: cgraves67: Xythero: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

Yeah.  I thought the "One Ring" stuff was inspired by Wagner's operas.

I thought he was inspired by Herodotus' "Ring of Gyges".

er. I probably should've looked it up first. The version of the story with the magic ring was by Plato, not Herodotus.

Wow, it's almost like these archetypal stories get told over and over, changing only slightly as they move between cultures and through time.


It's not really the same story. The only similarities are that the ring is stolen and makes you invisible. One involves usurping a kingdom and the other, stealing treasure from a dragon (and then later going to destroy the evil ring). Only the McGuffin is the same.
 
2013-04-03 10:30:13 AM  

KingsleyZisou: cgraves67: cgraves67: Xythero: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

Yeah.  I thought the "One Ring" stuff was inspired by Wagner's operas.

I thought he was inspired by Herodotus' "Ring of Gyges".

er. I probably should've looked it up first. The version of the story with the magic ring was by Plato, not Herodotus.

Certainly the ring of invisibility harkens back to Plato. But the One ring to rule all is not in the Republic. I think that's what Xythero is getting at.


That is correct. The Republic dealt mostly with the Silmarils.
 
2013-04-03 10:49:38 AM  

give me doughnuts: HMS_Blinkin: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

There was some foreshadowing in the Hobbit that Bilbo's ring might be more than just a means of disappearing.

That was the revised edition with changes made after the publication of "Lord of the Rings." In the first edition, Gollum reluctantly gives the ring to Bilbo after losing the riddle-game.


How does that work? Gollum lost due to the fake "riddle" "what have I got in my pocket?" The answer being the ring. How did he lose in the original version?
 
2013-04-03 11:09:54 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: give me doughnuts: HMS_Blinkin: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

There was some foreshadowing in the Hobbit that Bilbo's ring might be more than just a means of disappearing.

That was the revised edition with changes made after the publication of "Lord of the Rings." In the first edition, Gollum reluctantly gives the ring to Bilbo after losing the riddle-game.

How does that work? Gollum lost due to the fake "riddle" "what have I got in my pocket?" The answer being the ring. How did he lose in the original version?


Dunno. I haven't ever seen a copy. Just read about it.
 
2013-04-03 11:41:58 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: give me doughnuts: HMS_Blinkin: give me doughnuts: When he wrote "The Hobbit", there was no "Sauron's One Ring", yet. It was just a magic ring that let the wearer become invisible.

There was some foreshadowing in the Hobbit that Bilbo's ring might be more than just a means of disappearing.

That was the revised edition with changes made after the publication of "Lord of the Rings." In the first edition, Gollum reluctantly gives the ring to Bilbo after losing the riddle-game.

How does that work? Gollum lost due to the fake "riddle" "what have I got in my pocket?" The answer being the ring. How did he lose in the original version?


Bilbo had Snape kill him for it.
 
2013-04-03 11:57:28 AM  
How does that work? Gollum lost due to the fake "riddle" "what have I got in my pocket?" The answer being the ring. How did he lose in the original version?

Side-by-side of the first and second edition texts with the differences in blue.   http://www.ringgame.net/riddles.html
 
2013-04-03 12:07:47 PM  
Tolkien was a hack.
 
2013-04-03 12:19:59 PM  

correct horse battery staple: How does that work? Gollum lost due to the fake "riddle" "what have I got in my pocket?" The answer being the ring. How did he lose in the original version?

Side-by-side of the first and second edition texts with the differences in blue.   http://www.ringgame.net/riddles.html


Thanks. I must have read the original version as a child. I clearly remember being awed that Gollum was so bound to the laws of the riddle game that he would voluntarily hand over his most special thing. I remember reading the current version when I was older, and thinking that it sounded wrong. I passsed it off as faulty memory. Thanks for explaining the incongruity.

Now I have to ask my dad how I heard the original. Did we have an early edition?
 
2013-04-03 12:27:08 PM  

dryknife: Tolkien was a hack.


99% chance of troll, but this.
After my second paragraph of the entomology of character's names I stopped reading.
Also never seen all the movies.
 
2013-04-03 12:30:30 PM  

dryknife: Tolkien was a hack.


He was more interested in creating languages and a mythology than he was in being a writer.
What he really needed was a competent editor.
 
2013-04-03 12:39:29 PM  

give me doughnuts: dryknife: Tolkien was a hack.

He was more interested in creating languages and a mythology than he was in being a writer.
What he really needed was a competent editor.


He wrote what he wanted to write, not what he thought would sell. He was brilliant (oh to have half his imagination) but not constrained by the popular market. He wasn't, and never tried to be, a "popular writer."
 
2013-04-03 12:44:17 PM  

give me doughnuts: dryknife: Tolkien was a hack.

He was more interested in creating languages and a mythology than he was in being a writer.
What he really needed was a competent editor.


He was a professor at Oxford who studied Anglo-Saxon and medieval literature and languages.  He wrote a book for his sons called The Hobbit.  The university was complaining that he wasn't accomplishing anything so he had it published.  It did well enough that he was asked to write a sequel, which he eventually did.  Most of what he wrote, including all of the appendices and the Silmarillion, was self-indulgent world-building for his own amusement.  During his lifetime, people knew that.  The really obtuse stuff wasn't published until after his death for various unkind motives that have been attributed to his son Christopher.

His work makes a lot more sense if you're also familiar with the manuscripts that he studied academically (egBeowulf or Sir Gawain and the Green Knight).  However, the genre of fantasy would be completely unrecognizable today without his work.
 
2013-04-03 01:07:02 PM  

namegoeshere: Madaynun: a bit of info on the Curse Tablet mentioned.
http://curses.csad.ox.ac.uk/4Dlink2/4DACTION/WebRequestCurseTablet?t hi sLeafNum=1&searchTerm=&searchType=browse&searchField=CurseNumber&thisL istPosition=20&displayImage=1&displayLatin=1&displayEnglish=1&lastList Position=%3C!--4DVAR%20records%20in%20selection[curse_metadata]--%3E% 20:%20##%20Error%20#%2048

"Do not allow health" until they gives us our precious back? Pretty lame curse, if you ask me...


The Latin word sanita, like many words in Latin; has many meanings in English. You have to use the context of the rest of the sentence to select the right meaning.

It could be ment to say: soundness of body, sanity or correctness. I'd say; in this case, the curse says; until this ring is returned, none of the Senicianus shall enjoy soundness of mind or body.

/ took Latin in high school, so I could be wrong
 
2013-04-03 01:24:24 PM  
www.omega-level.net

"How am I gonna get that on my penis?"
 
2013-04-03 01:58:38 PM  
How it might have happened
Tolkien pal: Hey, man! Check out my new mood ring! It changes colours with my mood! Groovy!
Young J.R.R. Tolkien: Wow! That ring rules! Crazy, man!


Yes, I know Tolkien wrote TLOTR long before mood rings and hippies and shiat. But, hey, it would still make a good cartoon.
 
2013-04-03 02:00:56 PM  

usttsdw: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x313]
/pillow pants


You do not want to know where Gollum kept the ring when he wasn't wearing it despite not having any clothes except a loin-cloth for the sake of movie ratings.

Let's just say it was real easy for Gandulf to realize that Frodo had it on him.
 
2013-04-03 03:20:04 PM  

Mudd's woman: They should have just let their girlfriend hold on to it for a while.


Came for  TBBTreference.  Leaving happy.
 
2013-04-03 04:17:58 PM  

dryknife: Tolkien was a hack.


Still pissed that the Star Wars sequels sucked donkey balls, huh?
 
2013-04-03 09:10:45 PM  
I'm going to take this opportunity to express my puzzlement at how much the hippies embraced Lord of the Rings. I know there's a lot in there that is, to oversimplify a bit, pro-nature and anti-technology but Tolkien has always struck me as someone who is about as far away from hippie-dom as possible.  Perhaps a farker older than I can explain.

Also, while we're at it, why do people think "pipe-weed" is anything but tobacco?
 
2013-04-04 06:10:42 AM  

miniflea: Also, while we're at it, why do people think "pipe-weed" is anything but tobacco?


Uhhh huh-huh-huh, huh huh... you said "weed".

/That's probably why
 
2013-04-04 05:38:19 PM  
This one?

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