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2013-04-03 02:27:02 PM

Mikey1969: 5) The Original Was a Product of Its Time

I DO agree with this one. I've used this exact line, and I used The Goonies as my example when discussing the Red Dawn reboot. Author may be a Farker, and if so, he ripped me off 100%. Some movies fit where they fit due to the culture at the time(Also, the Cold War aspect of Red Dawn made it more believable than what I'm hearing about the reboot), and they can't really fit in a newer climate.

Scary how close this is to exactly the argument I used.


Bolded part is so completely true.  I was a kid during the 80's.  We did truly believe in the commie scare of them attacking us and even taking us over.  That doesn't exist any more.  No one in their hearts really believes North Korea or China or whoever is going to attack us.  Heck, most don't believe another 9/11 will ever happen.  While 9/11 is a horrible tragedy, it was nothing on the scale of what we were afraid of in the 1980's (rational or not, the fear existed.)
 
2013-04-03 02:28:56 PM

unlikely: "They mock you for liking the original" should be on there somewhere.

That's mostly movies rebooting TV shows, but it should still be on there.


Yes, yes, yes. I'd much rather my favorite shows from the past be left unsullied in memory than turned into stupid unfunny comedies.

DO NOT TOUCH EMERGENCY!  OR ADAM 12 you dolts!
 
2013-04-03 02:32:57 PM

Valacirca: Red Dawnmade sense in the '80s

No it didn't.  I mean, it made sense as to why it was made then , but no, that movie never made any sense.


What didn't "make sense"? Russia's military might and Cuba's proximity to the US combined to pull off an invasion of the US from the inside out? As plausible as anything else. Even before Iraq and Afghanistan, we had a ton of our forces staged elsewhere, and all you have to do is pick strategic towns that you can take over quickly while mustering your troops to move on to larger areas with military bases and National Guard armories. We didn't have the internet or GPS back then, our communication was still(relatively) slow, so I can see the invasion working at the time. Nowadays, it wouldn't work, and as it is, they spread the believability a little thin, but the movie "made sense" at the time.
 
2013-04-03 02:34:51 PM

stuhayes2010: A Goonies reboot with modern fat lazy iPhone crazed kids would be hillariously bad.

Writter made a good point though, parents never let their kids out of eye sight these days.

In my day....

/lawn off it.


Who would play Chunk? Normal kids are Chunk sized. They'd need to roll in some morbidly obese child on a wal-mart scooter to make the bit work.
 
2013-04-03 02:35:56 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Movies that need remakes or reboots:
Krull
Flash Gordon
Battle Beyond the Stars
Logan's Run
Time Bandits
Ice Pirates
Space Hunter
Dragonslayer
Buck Rogers
Beast Master
Red Sonja
West World
Andromeda Strain
Dark Star
Short Circuit
War Games
The Rocketeer
Dreamscape
Night of the Comet
Megaforce


Sorry, not War Games. It's one of those "product of its time" movies, during the Cold War when tensions were high, and in the early days of computing when systems were more or less wide open, and hacking was in its infancy. A remake would suck, the "hacking" would just be some asshole typing on a keyboard with no discernible goal, and the Cold War tension wouldn't be there. "On the brink of WWIII" doesn't work with no super Power to make the bad guys.
 
2013-04-03 02:36:26 PM

push3r: Slaves2Darkness: Movies that need remakes or reboots:
Krull
Flash Gordon
Battle Beyond the Stars
Logan's Run
Time Bandits
Ice Pirates
Space Hunter
Dragonslayer
Buck Rogers
Beast Master
Red Sonja
West World
Andromeda Strain
Dark Star
Short Circuit
War Games
The Rocketeer
Dreamscape
Night of the Comet
Megaforce

Oops. My previous post should have quoted Slaves2Darkness


It would never happen, because Prince wouldn't give up control, but I'd LOVE to see Purple Rain remade with real actors and a script doctor reworking the dialog. The story itself is outstanding and should be left alone. Ten years ago I would have suggested Jamie Foxx for Prince's role and Wil Smith as Morris Day. Now, I have no idea.
 
2013-04-03 02:41:54 PM
1. Because they're rarely done for the right reasons, which are entertaining an audience and making a piece of great art.

My favourite remakes in recent years are Ocean's Eleven, Man on Fire and The Thomas Crown Affair. All were made by directors that aren't just "director for hire" but are something closer to "auteur". They make the films they want to make and have the money and power to tell studios to shove it.
 
2013-04-03 02:42:52 PM

Mikey1969: Valacirca: Red Dawnmade sense in the '80s

No it didn't.  I mean, it made sense as to why it was made then , but no, that movie never made any sense.

What didn't "make sense"? Russia's military might and Cuba's proximity to the US combined to pull off an invasion of the US from the inside out? As plausible as anything else. Even before Iraq and Afghanistan, we had a ton of our forces staged elsewhere, and all you have to do is pick strategic towns that you can take over quickly while mustering your troops to move on to larger areas with military bases and National Guard armories. We didn't have the internet or GPS back then, our communication was still(relatively) slow, so I can see the invasion working at the time. Nowadays, it wouldn't work, and as it is, they spread the believability a little thin, but the movie "made sense" at the time.


It doesn't matter if it was actually possible. What matters was, people thought it was possible. It was a fear of the time and the movie played on that fear very well.
 
2013-04-03 02:43:29 PM

downstairs: Mikey1969: 5) The Original Was a Product of Its Time

I DO agree with this one. I've used this exact line, and I used The Goonies as my example when discussing the Red Dawn reboot. Author may be a Farker, and if so, he ripped me off 100%. Some movies fit where they fit due to the culture at the time(Also, the Cold War aspect of Red Dawn made it more believable than what I'm hearing about the reboot), and they can't really fit in a newer climate.

Scary how close this is to exactly the argument I used.

Bolded part is so completely true.  I was a kid during the 80's.  We did truly believe in the commie scare of them attacking us and even taking us over.  That doesn't exist any more.  No one in their hearts really believes North Korea or China or whoever is going to attack us.  Heck, most don't believe another 9/11 will ever happen.  While 9/11 is a horrible tragedy, it was nothing on the scale of what we were afraid of in the 1980's (rational or not, the fear existed.)


Yeah, the 80's were 'interesting'... All of our movie bad guys were Russian, we didn't care about hurting feelings, and nobody would admit that anything good could possibly come out of the entire country. We knew nothing about the place, except that they were the automatic bad guys, no matter what. It blew me away when we had a speaker my junior year(Graduated in '88) who told us about a trip he took to Russia. Nobody out of the 2,000 people in my high school had met anyone who had ben to Russia, especially someone who went there by choice, and was not only allowed entry, but was able to leave as well. It did a lot to change my perspective of the USSR as a country, and with glasnost  and the Berlin Wall only a few more years down the road, it became an exciting time to be around.
 
2013-04-03 02:45:59 PM

Witty_Retort: serial_crusher: was Rise of the Planet of the Apes technically a reboot?  I thought they said it was a prequel... the way the Ape revolution played out in the original timeline until Cornelius and Zira went back in time and changed it up?

I think Rise is a reboot. Originally, a plague wiped out most non-primate species. People still wanted pets, so apes become our new bestest friends. C & Z take the plague back with them, and the cycle begins anew. But their Caesar has been tempered from his time with the circus guy.

In Rise, modified virus wipes out humanity leaving pockets of people and insmartenated apes running the show.

/for the record, I like both old and new Trek


Hmm, good point on the different plagues thing.  I just thought I remembered an interview with the director or something saying that.

Abramsverse is a similar problem though.  Relative to Nimoyspock it's a sequel not a reboot.
I liked it.  Was a lot better than Insurrection or Nemesis, that's for sure.
 
2013-04-03 02:46:25 PM

namegoeshere: It doesn't matter if it was actually possible. What matters was, people thought it was possible. It was a fear of the time and the movie played on that fear very well.


I saw it in the theater when it came out, and there wasn't any "fear", but a lot of "what if?". I saw the whole "Bad Russkies" thing throughout my years growing up, but never truly believed that they were these evil monsters just looking for an excuse to blow up the world.
 
2013-04-03 02:52:06 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Total Recall rocked.


I have no idea why they had to call it Total Recall! They could have just had his memories triggered by something else and made a whole new movie.

They could have called it "Borne Identity 2250" because it was closer to the Borne Identity movie then it was to Total Recall. And it had this:

[img708.imageshack.us image 420x300]

How did this not make billions and billions of dollars?!


Well first off, because the male movie-going public aren't (opposed to popular belief), a bunch of cat-calling dumbass stereotypical construction workers with Brooklyn accents that are so ape-like they barely have the power to dress themselves.
Sure those two girls are attractive, but who cares? BUT DUDE HOT GIRLZZZ LOL FO REAL, right?

Second, Total Recall in 1990 was awesome, while Total Recall in 2012 was a just a really turrible movie, plain and simple.
 
2013-04-03 02:56:54 PM

HeartBurnKid: /man, that duck penis thread really burrowed into my brain


You might want to see a physician about that...
 
2013-04-03 02:58:25 PM
No love for Ed Norton's Hulk?

After Ang Lee sharted all over His Greenness, only the Captain of Columbia could save it.

// I am more than slightly bitter he didn't make it to Avengers, but I like Mark Ruffalo, too
 
2013-04-03 03:01:04 PM
I am sure we are probably only a decade out from a remake/reboot of 'The Warriors'.
 
2013-04-03 03:07:38 PM

tinderfitles: I am sure we are probably only a decade out from a remake/reboot of 'The Warriors'.


More like about 5 years maybe. Its already on the docket of shiat that's in write/rewrite in writer meat grinders of Hollywood.
 
2013-04-03 03:10:07 PM

tinderfitles: I am sure we are probably only a decade out from a remake/reboot of 'The Warriors'.


Please, please, please no!

That movie is 100% perfect for its time, and its time only.

The movie is campy (in a good way), but it also brings late-70's NYC to life.
 
2013-04-03 03:12:18 PM

namegoeshere: unlikely: "They mock you for liking the original" should be on there somewhere.

That's mostly movies rebooting TV shows, but it should still be on there.

Yes, yes, yes. I'd much rather my favorite shows from the past be left unsullied in memory than turned into stupid unfunny comedies.

DO NOT TOUCH EMERGENCY!  OR ADAM 12 you dolts!


EMERGENCY!!!  With giant wall crawling maps and radio units that take up an entire Ambulance roof.  shiat you not, one episode revolved around a tree branch knocking the radio antenna off the roof.  So awesome.  It's little period touches like that that make the original series so special.
 
2013-04-03 03:17:32 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Movies that need remakes or reboots:
Krull

Why surrender the cheese factor of the original?
Flash Gordon
The source material (serials from the 30s) isn't strong enough for a feature film
Battle Beyond the Stars
HERESY! One of the most beloved cult classics of all time! Never remake a cult classic (see The Evil Dead)
Logan's Run
Best candidate on your list, but they need (a) a young Jenny Agutter type and (b) a good "Box"
Time Bandits
A classic - I didn't like it, but you won't improve on it
Ice Pirates
S'rsly?
Space Hunter
HERESY again...another perfectly campy classic that needs to be left alone
Dragonslayer
Just watched the original again last week. Doesn't need to be redone as there is plenty of better fantasy out there
Buck Rogers
Yeah, but they will they make it serious or camp it up?
Beast Master
S'rsly?
Red Sonja
Well, now you're just being silly ;-)
West World

You'll never get a better robot on the rampage than Yul Brynner so why try?
Andromeda Strain
They already tried a re-boot and it failed. The original may not be great acting but it's a crackerjack thriller
Dark Star
Reboot what is essentially a student film? If so, re-boot THX 1138 instead
Short Circuit
A reboot won't improve a lousy base story
War Games
Too much a product of the times, i.e. computer hackers, threat of global nuclear war, etc.
The Rocketeer
What was wrong with the original?
Dreamscape
Okay, now THIS could be a good one to re-boot/remake
Night of the Comet
Too much of the humor of the original is dated Valley Girl based
Megaforce
Another camp classic that you would have to decide if you wanted to play it straight or not

No offense intended above...just my two cents and YMMV and probably does...but hands of Battle Beyond the Stars and Spacehunter
 
2013-04-03 03:19:55 PM

sure haven't: Second, Total Recall in 1990 was awesome, while Total Recall in 2012 was a just a really turrible movie, plain and simple.


Sorry, Total Recall was OK when it came out, but it isn't some great masterpiece. I saw it in the theaters in the height of the Schwarzenegger boom, and was not particularly impressed. I thought the 2012 version was perfectly fine, and I believe that it was a more true adaptation of the book, although it's been awhile since I read it. I had no problems with the remake, and felt the original was cartoony in a not-so-perfectly-pulled-off way.
 
2013-04-03 03:21:30 PM

SpdrJay: I'm waiting for the Prometheus reboot.

I hated the first one.


Yeah... I couldn't make sci-fi that bad. The whole series works out like a series of "how not to" when it comes around to building spacecraft or dealing with surface exploration.

/Why transport 20 million tons of ORE?
//Take a 5 million ton refinery and bring back 15 million tons of product.
 
2013-04-03 03:27:26 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Movies that need remakes or reboots:
Krull
Flash Gordon
Battle Beyond the Stars
Logan's Run
Time Bandits
Ice Pirates
Space Hunter
Dragonslayer
Buck Rogers
Beast Master
Red Sonja
West World
Andromeda Strain
Dark Star
Short Circuit
War Games
The Rocketeer
Dreamscape
Night of the Comet
Megaforce


I agree with Krull.  That could be a good movie if done properly.

Dreamscape was already remade, they called it Inception.

A remake of Megaforce done as a comedy would be good...basically a parody of 80s action movies, or a parody of the nostalgia for those movies, anyway.
 
2013-04-03 03:28:40 PM
serial_crusher:

Abramsverse is a similar problem though.  Relative to Nimoyspock it's a sequel not a reboot.
I liked it.  Was a lot better than Insurrection or Nemesis, that's for sure.


I think that was the smartest thing JJ did in new Trek was the alternate-timeline so that ToS, Next Gen etc. still "happened" and all his movies happen in their own pocket.
To everyone who complains that it was just an action movie, Undiscovered Country came out in 1991. It had been almost 20 years since the last adventure of Kirk and Spock. There was a generation who knew only of them threw pop-culture and osmosis. They needed a simple story to re-introduce 7+ characters. If the next one brings a really good story, it could be great. If it is another pop-corner, it will still look good, at least.
 
2013-04-03 03:30:01 PM
I don't know if it counts as a remake or a reboot or something completely different, but the second version of The Producers was better than the first (which was pretty good on its own).
 
2013-04-03 03:31:39 PM

scottydoesntknow: Ohh wait, I also enjoyed the Star Trek reboot. Suck it, haters.


We haters don't care if you like the movie. It was an okay movie but over rated. If any other directors did this movie and did it the same way JJ Abrams made it. Star Trek (2009) will have at least a RT rating of 50% but not more than 70%

Actually they should change the title to Idiocracy  2: Dumb Asses in Space.
 
2013-04-03 03:31:59 PM

BrianGriffin: Slaves2Darkness: 
Ice Pirates
S'rsly?


If they ever reboot Ice Pirates, get rid of the comedic value of the movie. In short, give it the Nolan/Batman treatment.

/yes, I liked the original.
 
2013-04-03 03:33:39 PM

Mugato: They're all cynical cash grabs based on name recognition and the studio suits' idea that despite movies being more easily accessible than ever, no one would watch a movie prior to 1995 so they all have to be remade?


Or better: Hollywood would rather piss their money away on the idea that people will see a "remake" rather than an "original" concept.  Yet they might lose more money on the remake rather than on an original concept.
 
2013-04-03 03:35:38 PM
FTA:  8) You Are Insane

Shoot; wouldn't that cover 88% of Hollywood anyway?
 
2013-04-03 03:37:39 PM

tlchwi02: Mikey1969: 1) You Have Less Talent than the Original Cast and Crew

Um, not if the original sucked, or was so lo budget that they couldn't afford big talent. Wrong answer, try again.

Wow, 1 line item in, and your blog already sucks.

i'd say the best example of the point the author was making is The Thing. the original had great actors, effects and an established director. the new one had relative unknown actors, used CGI and was directed by a complete unknown. the contrast in quality between them is stark, although they are essentially the same movie in terms of the plot


It's a prequel, not a reboot.
 
2013-04-03 03:37:41 PM

scottydoesntknow: Ohh wait, I also enjoyed the Star Trek reboot. Suck it, haters.


Well...can we honestly say it's a reboot?  I did see it (finally) and understood the reasoning behind the story.  I don't know if one could qualify it as a reboot.
 
2013-04-03 03:38:28 PM
You'll never get a better robot on the rampage than Yul Brynner so why try?

Would like a word with you...

images4.wikia.nocookie.netwiki.base22.com

You have 15 seconds to comply.
 
2013-04-03 03:41:17 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Total Recall rocked.


I have no idea why they had to call it Total Recall! They could have just had his memories triggered by something else and made a whole new movie.

They could have called it "Borne Identity 2250" because it was closer to the Borne Identity movie then it was to Total Recall. And it had this:

[img708.imageshack.us image 420x300]

How did this not make billions and billions of dollars?!


Because the idiots who wrote it failed writing class?
 
2013-04-03 03:46:25 PM

wildcardjack: ReBOOTS. I misread that as robots.

What's the line between remake and reboot? If it's been 50 years it's a remake, not a reboot. If it's been five years (Hulk) it's a reboot, not a remake.


Remakes are one shots. Reboots are for franchises.

Star Trek, Dark Knight, Daniel Craig's Bond films are all reboots.

Red Dawn is a remake. Ocean's Eleven was a remake that turned into a franchise.
 
2013-04-03 03:48:41 PM

un4gvn666: SpdrJay: I'm waiting for the Prometheus reboot.

I hated the first one.

Holy shiat, you and me both.

Do yourself a favor, read the original draft of the script. You'll both enjoy it and hate everyone in Hollywood for not allowing it to be filmed instead of the abortion they came out with.


Uh, see the Joss Whedon article/thread on how Hollywood can take a concept and FUBAR it.

Granted, you can have total control over your idea and FUBAR it.  More often than not it's Hollywood's executards that FUBAR it because they need to feel "special".
 
2013-04-03 03:52:22 PM

namegoeshere: stuhayes2010: A Goonies reboot with modern fat lazy iPhone crazed kids would be hillariously bad.

Writter made a good point though, parents never let their kids out of eye sight these days.

In my day....

/lawn off it.

Who would play Chunk? Normal kids are Chunk sized. They'd need to roll in some morbidly obese child on a wal-mart scooter to make the bit work.


I stil see kids walking around by themselves all the time. I think the precious snowflakeness is completely overblown in people's minds.

A Goonies reboot would suck because it's too easy to make kids and teens annoying. For example, Andy would be transformed in the popular biatchy girl that is in every teen movie these days.
 
2013-04-03 03:57:02 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: SurfaceTension: Am I the only one that enjoyed the Star Trek reboot?

Mark me down for nope, it was a Trek movie made not for Trekkers but for general audience. It's why your hard core rabid fans rail on it.

Also mark me down for loving the Halloween remakes. I thought Rob did an excellent job with those.


I dunno I am a hard core Trekker but still... I liked 2009 trek, as a movie on its own but I can still acknowledge it just doesn't feel like Star trek it was more like a superhero movie. I am hopeful that into Darkness will veer a little bit more back to Trek but if I had to bet, im' going with no. By contrast nuwho even though it very much  has broadened the  appeal, upped the effects become more flash than substance but it still at its core still feels like Doctor Who. In short Star Trek is a good movie without a soul.
 
2013-04-03 04:00:44 PM

jaybeezey: It's a prequel, not a reboot.


eh, maybe the thing is actually too confusing a case for my arguments. the '82 film is technically a remake of the '51 movie, even though they bear only a superficial resemblence to each other. and then the 2011 film is technically a prequel of the '82 movie, but it ends up apeing the plot of the '82 movie in such a point by point fashion that it feels far more like a remake.

either way, i stand by my original point- the 2011 movie was an attempt to remake the '82 film (prequel framework aside) that makes a good example of creating a remake when you don't have the talent to pull it off to the level of the original
 
2013-04-03 04:00:58 PM

Freschel: scottydoesntknow: Ohh wait, I also enjoyed the Star Trek reboot. Suck it, haters.

We haters don't care if you like the movie. It was an okay movie but over rated. If any other directors did this movie and did it the same way JJ Abrams made it. Star Trek (2009) will have at least a RT rating of 50% but not more than 70%

Actually they should change the title to Idiocracy  2: Dumb Asses in Space.


l.wigflip.com
 
2013-04-03 04:02:21 PM

PanicMan: Two things:

As a Star Trek fan, I thought the reboot was great.

I hate Julia Roberts.  She can barely act and she is disturbing to look at.


Women who act in almost nothing but RomCom movies usually are for some reason.
 
2013-04-03 04:05:10 PM

Xythero: I stil see kids walking around by themselves all the time. I think the precious snowflakeness is completely overblown in people's minds.


You missed my point.

My point was, the Chunk character was obese. That was his schtick. Back in the day, there was maybe one child in a grade who was Chunk sized. Chunk was unique in the story for that reason. He was the fat kid. Today, that character wouldn't work with that actor, because he does not stand out as an obese child. 30% of the third grade looks like him. The child would have to be much larger to be noticeably obese. The wal-mart scooter was obviously hyperbole, as no way could you navigate the maze of caves on a hoveround.
 
2013-04-03 04:05:29 PM

Mikey1969: sure haven't: Second, Total Recall in 1990 was awesome, while Total Recall in 2012 was a just a really turrible movie, plain and simple.

Sorry, Total Recall was OK when it came out, but it isn't some great masterpiece. I saw it in the theaters in the height of the Schwarzenegger boom, and was not particularly impressed. I thought the 2012 version was perfectly fine, and I believe that it was a more true adaptation of the book, although it's been awhile since I read it. I had no problems with the remake, and felt the original was cartoony in a not-so-perfectly-pulled-off way.


Of course the original was cartoony.  That was part of its charm.  It also adds to the ambiguity of the film, in an odd sort of way; notice how it turns into a cheesy action film the second Quaid gets strapped into the chair at Rekall? That lends all the more weight to the theory that the entire movie after that is all a fantasy in Quaid's head.

Think of it this way: it's 23 years later, and we're still talking about the 1990 movie.  Do you think anybody's going to give a crap about the 2012 movie in 2035?
 
2013-04-03 04:07:23 PM

wildcardjack: ReBOOTS. I misread that as robots.

What's the line between remake and reboot? If it's been 50 years it's a remake, not a reboot. If it's been five years (Hulk) it's a reboot, not a remake.


A remake is of a single movie.  A reboot is when there's a series of movies and you start over, possibly with a movie that has no resemblence to the first movie in the series other than the characters and general setting.  IE, Psycho was remade.  James Bond was rebooted.
 
2013-04-03 04:15:40 PM
That was a lot more wirds than needed to say, "Remakes usually suck because they don't fix what was wrong, and they mess up what was right."
 
2013-04-03 04:19:24 PM

BrianGriffin: War Games
Too much a product of the times, i.e. computer hackers, threat of global nuclear war, etc.


Yep, this.  People didn't understand computers and security back then.  It was plausable that a super-smart kid could break into the DoD.

Nowadays, not only is that probably 100% impossible... and everyone, including non-savvy computer users, knows it.

No matter how they'd try to spin it, it would be laughably unrealistic to the majority of viewers.
 
2013-04-03 04:21:23 PM

downstairs: BrianGriffin: War Games
Too much a product of the times, i.e. computer hackers, threat of global nuclear war, etc.

Yep, this.  People didn't understand computers and security back then.  It was plausable that a super-smart kid could break into the DoD.

Nowadays, not only is that probably 100% impossible... and everyone, including non-savvy computer users, knows it.

No matter how they'd try to spin it, it would be laughably unrealistic to the majority of viewers.


Rename the movie "Anonymous." and it might pass,,,
 
2013-04-03 04:39:15 PM

wildcardjack: ReBOOTS. I misread that as robots.

What's the line between remake and reboot? If it's been 50 years it's a remake, not a reboot. If it's been five years (Hulk) it's a reboot, not a remake.


My take is that a remake is intended to tell the same general story of the original, whereas a reboot is looser and doesn't necessarily have to tell the same story, but intends to start a new line of films in a franchise by ignoring established mythology and setting up new actors for the role.

For example, Scarface. The story changed a lot; but it was never intended to create a new franchise, so it's definitely not a reboot, and I would classify it as a remake.

Godzilla, on the other hand, was a reboot precisely because they intended to make sequels. It doesn't matter that the movie failed and they didn't, but it was the intention that made it a reboot.

Casino Royale was a reboot because they intend the Craig Bond to be in a separate literary universe and build on that.
 
2013-04-03 04:40:56 PM

SurfaceTension: Am I the only one that enjoyed the Star Trek reboot?


I liked it a lot, and still pop it in the DVD player every now and again.  It was a good movie.  I just don't like that they erased all of Star Trek history (except Enterprise) to tell their story.  That was arrogant to the 17th power.

I don't buy the "alternate timeline" explanation.  It every time travel episode of Trek ever, they were always desperate to undo whatever damage the time traveler had wrought.  In Trek '09, Nero goes back in time, destroys most of Starfleet, blows up a Federation founding race, and everyone is just sorta like, "meh".  That didn't sit well with me.  On it's own though, it's a good, fun movie.
 
2013-04-03 04:47:30 PM

Alfonso the Great: I thought the new Conan movie was better than the original. Not saying the first one was bad, but it's unadulterated asskickery. It's prettier now than 30 years ago.


The new Conan committed the unforgivable sin of a movie: it was boring.  Boring as all hell.  Jason Momoa theoretically has good screen presence, at least he did in Stargate Atlantis.  But his Conan was just a prop, being placed in scene after scene that he didn't understand or have any control over.  He was passive - a tourist in his own movie.

Was just having this discussion with a co-worker today, because I watched Solomon Kane last night and it was farking awesome.  It was everything the new Conan movie should have been.
 
2013-04-03 04:48:46 PM

scottydoesntknow: Freschel: scottydoesntknow: Ohh wait, I also enjoyed the Star Trek reboot. Suck it, haters.

We haters don't care if you like the movie. It was an okay movie but over rated. If any other directors did this movie and did it the same way JJ Abrams made it. Star Trek (2009) will have at least a RT rating of 50% but not more than 70%

Actually they should change the title to Idiocracy  2: Dumb Asses in Space.

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I'm not butt hurt or a trekkie. As I said before it was an okay movie but over rated IMHO. Out of 5 stars I'll give it a 2.5 stars.

The dumb asses are for Star Fleet for sending their almost entire fleet into an unknown situation without scouting the area first. And Vulcans for not knowing why their world is shaking and not knowing where the epicenter is. Also not seeing the huge ass flying thingy in the sky with so kind of laser coming out from it. I haven't seen this much incompetency since the space battle in "Starship Troopers". Suspension of belief is one thing but this much of stupidity. Pointing out bad parst of the movie is not being butt hurt.
 
2013-04-03 04:49:25 PM
parts not parst
 
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