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2013-04-03 10:06:49 AM
They're all cynical cash grabs based on name recognition and the studio suits' idea that despite movies being more easily accessible than ever, no one would watch a movie prior to 1995 so they all have to be remade?
 
2013-04-03 10:12:25 AM
"They mock you for liking the original" should be on there somewhere.

That's mostly movies rebooting TV shows, but it should still be on there.
 
2013-04-03 10:15:52 AM
Rebooting reboots is the new big thing
 
2013-04-03 10:19:54 AM

Mugato: They're all cynical cash grabs based on name recognition and the studio suits' idea that despite movies being more easily accessible than ever, no one would watch a movie prior to 1995 so they all have to be remade?


Pretty much. The only time I've seen a reboot work is when the previous movies in the franchise either drug it straight to the ground (Spider-Man franchise vs. new one), or the original one really did suck (Judge Dredd vs. Dredd).

Planet of the Apes series just went crazy (the original one is still great, but all the sequels are pretty trashy), and the Tim Burton one pretty much guaranteed that any reboot would be better (but Rise was still awesome).

I really can't think of many reboots I actually liked beyond Dredd, Rise of the PotA, and Amazing Spider-Man.
 
2013-04-03 10:23:51 AM
I don't know how I feel about lumping comic book reboots in these lists.
 
2013-04-03 10:28:23 AM
Ohh wait, I also enjoyed the Star Trek reboot. Suck it, haters.
 
2013-04-03 10:28:29 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: I don't know how I feel about lumping comic book reboots in these lists.


I should probably clarify that. Most of the "reboots" aren't a reboot of the original movie, per se, but of the origin story of the character. Sure, it reboots the franchise from a film point of view, but I don't really think any of the comic movies were taking on a previous movie in the reboots, just providing a different take on the origin story. I feel like most of the other examples on this list and others like it draw directly from the film it was rebooting. I just don't think that's the case with the comic movies.
 
2013-04-03 10:30:36 AM

scottydoesntknow: really can't think of many reboots I actually liked beyond Dredd, Rise of the PotA, and Amazing Spider-Man.


It's a short list. Batman Begins, um...I think Robocop might be okay just because it has a good cast but I don't expect it to be as hardcore as the original. Nor as funny.

Then there's the standard The Thing, the Fly and Dawn of the Dead but they were so far removed from the originals they're almost just their own movies.

And if you want to get pedantic The Wizard of Oz and The Ten Commandments were remakes.
 
2013-04-03 10:35:36 AM
Why is the author talking about Watchmen? That was an adaptation from another medium not a reboot. Regarding the Spider-Man films Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man > The Amazing Spider-Man > Spider-Man 3.
 
2013-04-03 10:38:48 AM
(Cinches onion tightly on belt) People these days can't be bothered to create, they can only remake.  Hollywood reboots a franchise rather than search for the next franchise, it's safe, cheap and they've taught people this is what they want.  Yet, when you look at the big movers on television, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Mad Men, they are breaking new ground and people are eating it up.  Is this what we have to look forward at the theater in 20 years, a Game of the Throne reboot and Holo 3D Don Drapers?
 
2013-04-03 10:39:26 AM

Sybarite: Why is the author talking about Watchmen? That was an adaptation from another medium not a reboot. Regarding the Spider-Man films Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man > The Amazing Spider-Man > Spider-Man 3.


I'd switch Spider-Man with the Amazing Spider-Man, the first one just felt really gimmicky to me. Two was by far the best though. It had the best villian out of all of them. You felt sympathy for him as he wasn't in control of himself and wasn't trying to rule humanity or anything, he just wanted to finish his damn experiment for his dead wife.
 
2013-04-03 11:06:56 AM
was Rise of the Planet of the Apes technically a reboot?  I thought they said it was a prequel... the way the Ape revolution played out in the original timeline until Cornelius and Zira went back in time and changed it up?
 
2013-04-03 11:12:12 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: AnotherBluesStringer: I don't know how I feel about lumping comic book reboots in these lists.

I should probably clarify that. Most of the "reboots" aren't a reboot of the original movie, per se, but of the origin story of the character. Sure, it reboots the franchise from a film point of view, but I don't really think any of the comic movies were taking on a previous movie in the reboots, just providing a different take on the origin story. I feel like most of the other examples on this list and others like it draw directly from the film it was rebooting. I just don't think that's the case with the comic movies.


Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.  I guess their claim that Superman Returns was trying to rip off the Christopher Reeve movies has merit (I only watched it when it came out.  Don't remember enough to validate the claim), but The Amazing Spider-Man was not a reboot of the Toby Maguire movies.
 
2013-04-03 11:24:49 AM
Am I the only one that enjoyed the Star Trek reboot?
 
2013-04-03 11:27:59 AM

Ennuipoet: (Cinches onion tightly on belt) People these days can't be bothered to create, they can only remake.  Hollywood reboots a franchise rather than search for the next franchise, it's safe, cheap and they've taught people this is what they want.  Yet, when you look at the big movers on television, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Mad Men, they are breaking new ground and people are eating it up.  Is this what we have to look forward at the theater in 20 years, a Game of the Throne reboot and Holo 3D Don Drapers?


*raises hand quietly* How much for the Holo 3D Don Draper?
 
2013-04-03 11:31:52 AM

SurfaceTension: Am I the only one that enjoyed the Star Trek reboot?


No. Can't wait for the next one.
 
2013-04-03 11:41:42 AM

SurfaceTension: Am I the only one that enjoyed the Star Trek reboot?


Nope. I can't wait for the next one. Of course I am not a huge Trekkie, so not sure how much my opinion counts.
 
2013-04-03 11:45:31 AM

SurfaceTension: Am I the only one that enjoyed the Star Trek reboot?


Mark me down for nope, it was a Trek movie made not for Trekkers but for general audience. It's why your hard core rabid fans rail on it.

Also mark me down for loving the Halloween remakes. I thought Rob did an excellent job with those.
 
2013-04-03 11:52:43 AM

scottydoesntknow: I really can't think of many reboots I actually liked beyond Dredd, Rise of the PotA, and Amazing Spider-Man


Gone in 60 seconds?  Though I personally prefer the original.
 
2013-04-03 11:54:17 AM
Nicolas Cage's The Wicker Man has to be one of the worst movies I have ever seen in my entire life. I'd sooner swallow a whole bottle of ipecac than watch that filthy piece of trash again.
 
2013-04-03 11:56:17 AM
Hmm, that was actually a very well-thought out and reasoned article, good link, subby!

Batman Begins was simply amazing, and 2009 Star Trek was incredibly awesome, but they weren't reboots of movies, they were reboots of franchises, totally different things.
 
2013-04-03 11:56:22 AM

Saiga410: scottydoesntknow: I really can't think of many reboots I actually liked beyond Dredd, Rise of the PotA, and Amazing Spider-Man

Gone in 60 seconds?  Though I personally prefer the original.


Gone in 60 Seconds had some really nice cars (ohhh, Eleanor), but beyond that it was pretty sub-par. I prefered the original.
 
2013-04-03 11:57:37 AM

Serious Black: Nicolas Cage's The Wicker Man has to be one of the worst movies I have ever seen in my entire life.


Depends on why your expectations.

If you're looking for an atmospheric, chilling horror/thriller with quality acting and a tight script you're out of luck.


If you want to see a guy in a bear suit sucker punching women, The Wicker Man will not disappoint.
 
2013-04-03 11:59:02 AM

Saiga410: scottydoesntknow: I really can't think of many reboots I actually liked beyond Dredd, Rise of the PotA, and Amazing Spider-Man

Gone in 60 seconds?  Though I personally prefer the original.


Oh good choice, Gone is one of my favourites, never seen the original.

I will say the 2000 Ocean's Eleven was miles better than the original. Have you ever seen the original? Sheesh, it's like they didn't even try to make a good movie.
 
2013-04-03 11:59:19 AM

Snapper Carr: If you want to see a guy in a bear suit sucker punching women, The Wicker Man will not disappoint.


See I went in expecting comedy and I left the theater satisfied
 
2013-04-03 11:59:41 AM

scottydoesntknow: I really can't think of many reboots I actually liked beyond Dredd, Rise of the PotA, and Amazing Spider-Man.


Ocean's Eleven was a very enjoyable watch. So was Ocean's Twelve for that matter. Ocean's Thirteen...meh.
 
2013-04-03 12:00:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: Mugato: They're all cynical cash grabs based on name recognition and the studio suits' idea that despite movies being more easily accessible than ever, no one would watch a movie prior to 1995 so they all have to be remade?

Pretty much. The only time I've seen a reboot work is when the previous movies in the franchise either drug it straight to the ground (Spider-Man franchise vs. new one), or the original one really did suck (Judge Dredd vs. Dredd).

Planet of the Apes series just went crazy (the original one is still great, but all the sequels are pretty trashy), and the Tim Burton one pretty much guaranteed that any reboot would be better (but Rise was still awesome).

I really can't think of many reboots I actually liked beyond Dredd, Rise of the PotA, and Amazing Spider-Man.


The Dark Knight trilogy was pretty good.
 
2013-04-03 12:00:21 PM

sure haven't: I will say the 2000 Ocean's Eleven was miles better than the original. Have you ever seen the original? Sheesh, it's like they didn't even try to make a good movie.


Ooooh good call! That was just pure awesome, one of those movies I could watch any time.

Too bad they farked it all up with Ocean's Twelve, god that was terrible. At least 13 got it somewhat back on track.
 
2013-04-03 12:00:37 PM

sure haven't: I will say the 2000 Ocean's Eleven was miles better than the original. Have you ever seen the original? Sheesh, it's like they didn't even try to make a good movie.


*shakes tiny fist*

Agreed. Tried to watch the original Ocean's Eleven once and was bored out of my mind. Glad they did the reboot.
 
2013-04-03 12:00:42 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: SurfaceTension: Am I the only one that enjoyed the Star Trek reboot?

Mark me down for nope, it was a Trek movie made not for Trekkers but for general audience. It's why your hard core rabid fans rail on it.

Also mark me down for loving the Halloween remakes. I thought Rob did an excellent job with those.


I'm a pretty big Trekkie, and I loved it. I thought it was fun and a creative way to have the characters we know and love experience new adventures.

See also: Zachary Quinto. Part of me is sort of hoping that the one that's coming out this year devolves into a Quinto/Cumberbatch slashfic on screen.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-04-03 12:02:33 PM

Serious Black: Nicolas Cage's The Wicker Man has to be one of the worst movies I have ever seen in my entire life. I'd sooner swallow a whole bottle of ipecac than watch that filthy piece of trash again.


Best comedy of the decade. Hopefully it led people to finding the original; a great suspenseful horror movie.
 
2013-04-03 12:04:03 PM

HeartBurnKid: The Dark Knight trilogy was pretty good.


Yea, I think I forgot about that one because the prior franchise was just abysmal by the end, the "I want to forget they even made those" kind of abysmal.
 
2013-04-03 12:04:25 PM

sure haven't: will say the 2000 Ocean's Eleven was miles better than the original. Have you ever seen the original? Sheesh, it's like they didn't even try to make a good movie.


The Rat Pack? Yeah, they were just dicking around on that movie. They would do one take of a scene and walk off for a steam. One of the funnier moments in the biopic, they were reading the script and Dino said, "Forget the movie. Let's pull the job".
 
2013-04-03 12:04:27 PM

SurfaceTension: Tried to watch the original Ocean's Eleven once and was bored out of my mind. Glad they did the reboot.


I kept waiting for the big reveal, the big twist... and all I saw were neon footprints or some sh*t lol
 
2013-04-03 12:05:18 PM

scottydoesntknow: Too bad they farked it all up with Ocean's Twelve, god that was terrible. At least 13 got it somewhat back on track.


Yeah 12 was powerful weak. 13 did get it back on track like you said. I haven't heard anything about a 14, although it's scary that the first one was... 13 years ago. F*ck me time goes fast.
 
2013-04-03 12:08:01 PM

scottydoesntknow: HeartBurnKid: The Dark Knight trilogy was pretty good.

Yea, I think I forgot about that one because the prior franchise was just abysmal by the end, the "I want to forget they even made those" kind of abysmal.


When I was young, I liked the original Batman movie with Keaton and Nicholson. Went back to watch it recently and couldn't believe how bad a movie it really is. Wow!

Dark Knight on the other hand, yeah, I will be watching all the movies from now on.
 
2013-04-03 12:08:10 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: SurfaceTension: Am I the only one that enjoyed the Star Trek reboot?

Mark me down for nope, it was a Trek movie made not for Trekkers but for general audience. It's why your hard core rabid fans rail on it.

Also mark me down for loving the Halloween remakes. I thought Rob did an excellent job with those.


I would not call myself a hardcore Trekkie (but I am a fan of the franchise), I rather enjoyed the 2009 Star Trek movie. It was an enjoyable couple of hours. Sure there were some plot holes, but who really cares? It was money well spent on good entertainment. That is all I am looking for from any movie.
 
2013-04-03 12:08:28 PM

Snapper Carr: Serious Black: Nicolas Cage's The Wicker Man has to be one of the worst movies I have ever seen in my entire life.

Depends on why your expectations.

If you're looking for an atmospheric, chilling horror/thriller with quality acting and a tight script you're out of luck.


If you want to see a guy in a bear suit sucker punching women, The Wicker Man will not disappoint.


Glad to see someone gets it. The first one was almost plausible you could have some remote island off the coast of england in the 60s regressing to pagan cults. The remake had some weird bee cult off the pacific coast of america where they apparently have cell phone jammers. It lacks any historical context. And yet, we have nic cage raving and sucker punching chicks. It's so gloriously laughable I really did enjoy it, even though it played out like a hobo's silent hill.
 
2013-04-03 12:09:24 PM
TFA's commentfight is so dumb that it's fun.
 
2013-04-03 12:09:34 PM
I am currently seeking investors for my reboot of Debbie Does Dallas.  My script is WAAAAY better than the original.
 
2013-04-03 12:09:44 PM

sure haven't: scottydoesntknow: Too bad they farked it all up with Ocean's Twelve, god that was terrible. At least 13 got it somewhat back on track.

Yeah 12 was powerful weak. 13 did get it back on track like you said. I haven't heard anything about a 14, although it's scary that the first one was... 13 years ago. F*ck me time goes fast.


My only issue with 14 now (and granted they have zero control over it) is losing Bernie Mac. Sure he didn't play a crucial role like Clooney, Pitt, or Damon, but you lose some of the cool factor by not having him.

/RIP Mac
 
2013-04-03 12:10:54 PM

GalFriday: I am currently seeking investors for my reboot of Debbie Does Dallas.  My script is WAAAAY better than the original.


Take the Nolan route and make it grittier and more realistic. Debbie does Detroit. It would almost be a horror movie.
 
2013-04-03 12:12:12 PM

sure haven't: scottydoesntknow: Too bad they farked it all up with Ocean's Twelve, god that was terrible. At least 13 got it somewhat back on track.

Yeah 12 was powerful weak. 13 did get it back on track like you said. I haven't heard anything about a 14, although it's scary that the first one was... 13 years ago. F*ck me time goes fast.


Interesting. My experience was just the opposite. I really liked 12. Almost more than 11. The only thing is I think it's a little confusing because basically everything they're doing in Europe is nothing more than the "elaborate show" that LeMarque says they have to put on for Toulour.

Ocean's 13 on the other hand, to me that's not a terrible watch, but not one I'm going out of my way to see again.

Any future Ocean's movie is going to suffer from not having Bernie Mac around.
 
2013-04-03 12:12:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: My only issue with 14 now (and granted they have zero control over it) is losing Bernie Mac. Sure he didn't play a crucial role like Clooney, Pitt, or Damon, but you lose some of the cool factor by not having him.


They're really doing a 14? Is it going to be 2 hours of Clooney and Pitt literally beating a dead horse?
 
2013-04-03 12:13:14 PM
I thought the new Conan movie was better than the original. Not saying the first one was bad, but it's unadulterated asskickery. It's prettier now than 30 years ago.
 
2013-04-03 12:15:59 PM

SurfaceTension: My experience was just the opposite. I really liked 12


The only thing I remember about 12 was Julia Roberts playing someone pretending to be Julia Roberts. I think my eyes just glazed over at that point.
 
2013-04-03 12:19:10 PM
ReBOOTS. I misread that as robots.

What's the line between remake and reboot? If it's been 50 years it's a remake, not a reboot. If it's been five years (Hulk) it's a reboot, not a remake.
 
2013-04-03 12:19:26 PM

SurfaceTension: Interesting. My experience was just the opposite. I really liked 12. Almost more than 11. The only thing is I think it's a little confusing because basically everything they're doing in Europe is nothing more than the "elaborate show" that LeMarque says they have to put on for Toulour.


5 words that completely took me out of the movie and caused me to lose all interest.

Julia Roberts playing Julia Roberts
 
2013-04-03 12:21:09 PM

Mugato: They're really doing a 14? Is it going to be 2 hours of Clooney and Pitt literally beating a dead horse?


Nope, this one the heist will be staged at the Warner Bros lot, and will feature the fortunes of a movie executive.

They're going for that whole Momento, Inception crowd.
 
2013-04-03 12:21:21 PM
The new Clash of the Titans was a succes, thanks to the drooling masses of idiots that bought tickets and called it a "good" movie (some still do).

I'll just pick on this one for now.
Liam Neeson sleepwalked through his role.
The movie relied much too heavily on action sequences, which made them feel stale and boring already about half way through.  Let's just examine the "medusa" fight in both old and new films.  Compare the original scene to the new one.
In the original there is an actual feeling of suspense.  It actually puts you on the edge of your seat.  It makes the scene interesting to watch.  The new medusa scene is just ACTION/FIGHT/BLOOD/SOUND/EFFECTS.  For the next battle...repeat formula.  That's just the first example that comes to mind.  I could go on and on.
And in spite of being a horrible movie, somehow the public spent enough of their money on it to warrant a sequel.  jackiechanwtf.jpg
 
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