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(NJ.com)   What's the penalty for a college coach caught on video repeatedly physically and verbally assaulting players? If it's Rutgers basketball coach Mike Rice, that would be a three-game suspension and anger management training   (nj.com) divider line 102
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2013-04-03 10:44:19 AM  
He was just fired, and the University will be settling a wrongful termination lawsuit very shortly
 
2013-04-03 10:44:26 AM  
And eventually getting fired.
 
2013-04-03 10:44:51 AM  
Well, he's been fired now after national pressure, so that's something.
 
2013-04-03 10:45:40 AM  
Dude looks like a real winner.
 
2013-04-03 10:48:51 AM  
Yet Pernetti  still keeps his job?  Stay classy Rutgers.
 
2013-04-03 10:49:26 AM  
He got the ax.  But, the AD should be going with him if he thought suspension and a fine was all that was needed.  Plus, Rice was a losing coach.
 
2013-04-03 10:50:30 AM  
Sport is rotten.
 
2013-04-03 10:50:46 AM  

js34603: And eventually getting fired.


Well, if he'd been fired in the first place, the AD wouldn't be in fear of his job.
 
2013-04-03 10:52:06 AM  

IlGreven: js34603: And eventually getting fired.

Well, if he'd been fired in the first place, the AD wouldn't be in fear of his job.


He's the one who fired the assistant that made the video. I'm pretty sure he'll get the axe soon enough once the university sees that bill
 
2013-04-03 10:53:15 AM  
Why hasn't the AD, Tim Pernetti, been fired yet? That's a bigger f-up than him not firing Rice months ago.

"I am responsible for the decision to attempt a rehabilitation of Coach Rice. Dismissal and corrective action were debated in December and I thought it was in the best interest of everyone to rehabilitate, but I was wrong. Moving forward, I will work to regain the trust of the Rutgers community. "

So what he is saying is "my attempt to cover this up failed, so I fired the guy".
 
2013-04-03 10:53:46 AM  
I really, really want to see this jackass throw a basketball at LeBron's or Kobe's head and call them a derogatory slur at practice. It will not end well...for him.
 
2013-04-03 10:54:27 AM  
Not enough blood spilled yet, Pernetti will be out soon. ESPN and outraged people that can't spell Rutgers will demand it.
 
2013-04-03 10:54:40 AM  

Killer Cars: I really, really want to see this jackass throw a basketball at LeBron's or Kobe's head and call them a derogatory slur at practice. It will not end well...for him.


You need Latrell Sprewell.  He doesn't have anything else on his plate right now.
 
2013-04-03 10:56:23 AM  

Lost Thought 00: He was just fired, and the University will be settling a wrongful termination lawsuit very shortly


And why would they be settling a wrongful termination suit? What he did would get a person on the street arrested. Did Bobby Knight settle with IU?
 
2013-04-03 10:56:46 AM  

Car_Ramrod: Well, he's been fired now after national pressure, so that's something.


I'm torn, because I don't want a society where being unpopular with people who have no relation to you or your employer can get you fired, just because those people have access to Facebook and twitter.

But I also don't want a society where teachers call students '#ucking #aggots' and keep their job.

So I say, let the coach keep his job (for now, he'll eventually get fired when he can't recruit any players), but fire the AD and anyone else in charge who knew about the situation and didn't speak up. (The situation being the abuse by the coach AND dismissing the whistle blower.)

/as the state university of New Jersey, I wonder if there are any whistle blower protection laws that apply
 
2013-04-03 10:58:51 AM  

Killer Cars: I really, really want to see this jackass throw a basketball at LeBron's or Kobe's head and call them a derogatory slur at practice. It will not end well...for him.


LeBron twitted: "If my son played for Rutgers or a coach like that he would have some real explaining to do and I'm still gone whoop on him afterwards! C'mon."
 
2013-04-03 10:59:45 AM  
3 game suspension, $50k fine (total between the two was just over 25% of his annual salary, I believe), anger management classes, neutral observer for practices to ensure everything was being carried out properly. When the punishment was initially handed down people were marveling at the size of the fine as it was proportionally quite large. Almost all of the offenses shown in the video occurred during the first year of his tenure (he's just exiting his third). Pernetti thought he could "rehabilitate" him to whatever extent and until the public outcry he probably could have, considering his practices and demeanor in the past few years has been much better. Not surprised he's being fired though - people don't get second chances any more.

You're kidding yourselves if you don't think similar antics to these go on at a ton of schools all across the country. Wally Judge (current Rutgers player) said that Kansas State practices (where he transferred from) were worse in this regard than Rutgers practices. K State just didn't have disgruntled employees filming the practices to be used as leverage in an eventual wrongful termination suit.
 
2013-04-03 11:00:19 AM  

ongbok: Lost Thought 00: He was just fired, and the University will be settling a wrongful termination lawsuit very shortly

And why would they be settling a wrongful termination suit? What he did would get a person on the street arrested. Did Bobby Knight settle with IU?


I'm guessing the law suit referred to is by the assistant who brought the video to the AD.
 
2013-04-03 11:01:51 AM  

NightOwl2255: So what he is saying is "my attempt to cover this up failed, so I fired the guy"


I would say that you do a remarkable job of translating douchebag to English.
 
2013-04-03 11:05:43 AM  
I'm not white-knighting the guy, but some of the stuff on the Shock Tape on ESPN wasn't out of line.

But that's also like being like Marge Schott - sure, he did some great stuff...

/Godwinning a sports thread?
//Achievement Unlocked!
 
2013-04-03 11:07:22 AM  
Also, it's my understanding that the "whistle-blower" had his contract not renewed because of something completely unrelated, and after this happened, he brought the video to Pernetti later (in December, when the initial fine/suspension occurred). Don't think whistle blower applies here as he was terminated well before he blew the whistle and for job performance related reasons.
 
2013-04-03 11:08:01 AM  
I hope Rice and Pernetti decide to open a restaurant together, and every customer comes in with a box of store brand pasta expecting a discount.

/Jersey Justice
 
2013-04-03 11:09:59 AM  
He can always go coach for Indiana.
 
2013-04-03 11:15:14 AM  

ongbok: Lost Thought 00: He was just fired, and the University will be settling a wrongful termination lawsuit very shortly

And why would they be settling a wrongful termination suit? What he did would get a person on the street arrested. Did Bobby Knight settle with IU?


Not him, the assistant who was fired in December for showing the video we saw yesterday to the administration
 
2013-04-03 11:16:32 AM  
Subby is confused. The guy got fired.
 
2013-04-03 11:19:41 AM  
Everybody always talks about wanted a hands-on coach...
 
2013-04-03 11:27:38 AM  
I hate to say it but bmckenna makes valid points. And this is not in defense of the guy. This goes on. It goes on in athletics, in your military, in your law enforcement. The necessity of it has been debated for years. What discipline is not necessarily most acceptable but most effective? This was a major issue when I was at USMA and they were under some fire for hazing, during the Nineties, when political correctness became more of an issue, mostly due to the access to things that technology provided. I remember them showing the Colonel Jessup scene from A Few Good Men and having a discussion with plebes about what is acceptable and what is not. But it didn't change the fact that some of those kids had an idea of discipline that they already bought into.

The video is painful to watch, and I assert again that I in no way defend the guy. But this is a leadership style that is not new and won't be going away any time soon.
 
2013-04-03 11:27:55 AM  
You could have just canned him based on his record two weeks ago and not worry about any of this.
 
2013-04-03 11:31:14 AM  

Lost Thought 00: ongbok: Lost Thought 00: He was just fired, and the University will be settling a wrongful termination lawsuit very shortly

And why would they be settling a wrongful termination suit? What he did would get a person on the street arrested. Did Bobby Knight settle with IU?

Not him, the assistant who was fired in December for showing the video we saw yesterday to the administration


Oh, ok.
 
2013-04-03 11:33:30 AM  

ongbok: Lost Thought 00: ongbok: Lost Thought 00: He was just fired, and the University will be settling a wrongful termination lawsuit very shortly

And why would they be settling a wrongful termination suit? What he did would get a person on the street arrested. Did Bobby Knight settle with IU?

Not him, the assistant who was fired in December for showing the video we saw yesterday to the administration

Oh, ok.


Wait a minute. If he was fired for bringing the tape to the attention of the administration, didn't Rutgers break a major law, the whistle blower law? The school should be facing a lot more problems than just a potential lawsuit.
 
2013-04-03 11:35:01 AM  
he is a huge liability.  throwing basketballs at player's heads from just a few feet away?  you have no choice but to fire him.  also, how does this idiot not know you aren't supposed to elbow, kick and shove players around like that?
 
2013-04-03 11:38:04 AM  
I can't believe this dude was allowed to act like this before winning a National Championship.

Because, of course, if head won one of THOSE it would be okay, right Bobby Knight fans?
 
2013-04-03 11:38:06 AM  
funk_soul_bubby:

The video is painful to watch, and I assert again that I in no way defend the guy. But this is a leadership style that is not new and won't be going away any time soon.

True, but that ship had sailed once the video became public.  The hit to their recruiting efforts, alumni donations, etc.. was not going to be worth retaining a coach who wasn't putting up results anyway.
 
2013-04-03 11:38:50 AM  
From one of the ESPN articles on this douchebag:

In addition to Rice's physical actions seen in the practices, Rice calls Rutgers players "f----ts," "m-----f-----s," "p-----s," "sissy b-----s," and "c---s," among other epithets.

I was sure I was going to see a headline here that read simply "f----ts," "m-----f-----s," "p-----s," "sissy b-----s," and "c---s."
 
2013-04-03 11:48:41 AM  
What a dumbass coach, you need some trophies before you can act like that and get away with it.
 
2013-04-03 11:48:57 AM  
Time for some GenX geezing. I've been watching the videos of his 'abuse' on ESPN for the last half hour, and he hasn't done anything that my middle school basketball coach didn't do back in the 80s. All the cursing, gnashing of teeth, and sideline gymnastics? Check. Throwing balls at players? Check. All the head games? Check. And the kid on the team who always got the worst end of everything? Yep, the coach's son.

I also played baseball with this guy as coach. One day at practice, I was running my mouth, cursing, talking sh*t to everyone. I tried to steal 2nd, and Coach, who was catcher, aimed right for my head and knocked me out on the slide. When I got up and tried to rub it, he grabbed my arm and cussed me out for being a pussy and trying to rub out the hurt. Good times.
 
2013-04-03 11:51:47 AM  
I had a gym teacher who behaved similarly. As far as I know, he's still terrorizing kids to this day.
 
2013-04-03 11:52:55 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: Time for some GenX geezing. I've been watching the videos of his 'abuse' on ESPN for the last half hour, and he hasn't done anything that my middle school basketball coach didn't do back in the 80s. All the cursing, gnashing of teeth, and sideline gymnastics? Check. Throwing balls at players? Check. All the head games? Check. And the kid on the team who always got the worst end of everything? Yep, the coach's son.

I also played baseball with this guy as coach. One day at practice, I was running my mouth, cursing, talking sh*t to everyone. I tried to steal 2nd, and Coach, who was catcher, aimed right for my head and knocked me out on the slide. When I got up and tried to rub it, he grabbed my arm and cussed me out for being a pussy and trying to rub out the hurt. Good times.


Yep, and if you were in HS that sociopath should have been thrown in jail for child abuse.
 
2013-04-03 11:53:39 AM  
bmckenna:
You're kidding yourselves if you don't think similar antics to these go on at a ton of schools all across the country. Wally Judge (current Rutgers player) said that Kansas State practices (where he transferred from) were worse in this regard than Rutgers practices. K State just didn't have disgruntled employees filming the practices to be used as leverage in an eventual wrongful termination suit.


You're kidding yourself if you believe that there are "a ton" of coaches throwing balls at their players and pushing them around.  Wally Judge said practices were harder at K-State, not that Frank Martin was being physically abusive like Rice.    So that's the difference, not a disgruntled employee.

Everybody knows that most coaches will yell at their guys from time to time.  Some more than others.  The physical stuff completely crosses the line and if one of those players had decked Rice they would have been completely right to do so.   He sucked as a coach anyways, so quit defending that piece of crap.
 
2013-04-03 11:56:04 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: Time for some GenX geezing. I've been watching the videos of his 'abuse' on ESPN for the last half hour, and he hasn't done anything that my middle school basketball coach didn't do back in the 80s. All the cursing, gnashing of teeth, and sideline gymnastics? Check. Throwing balls at players? Check.


Uh....where did you go to middle school?  Prison?  I can tell you my middle school team was not getting basketballs chucked at us in the 80's.
 
2013-04-03 12:01:18 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: From one of the ESPN articles on this douchebag:

In addition to Rice's physical actions seen in the practices, Rice calls Rutgers players "f----ts," "m-----f-----s," "p-----s," "sissy b-----s," and "c---s," among other epithets.

I was sure I was going to see a headline here that read simply "f----ts," "m-----f-----s," "p-----s," "sissy b-----s," and "c---s."


I would've said "remember George Carlin's "Seven Words" skit? Well, Mike Rice said them all to his players"
 
2013-04-03 12:03:45 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: The video is painful to watch, and I assert again that I in no way defend the guy. But this is a leadership style that is not new and won't be going away any time soon.


Doesn't make it right.
 
2013-04-03 12:09:19 PM  

ongbok: ongbok: Lost Thought 00: ongbok: Lost Thought 00: He was just fired, and the University will be settling a wrongful termination lawsuit very shortly

And why would they be settling a wrongful termination suit? What he did would get a person on the street arrested. Did Bobby Knight settle with IU?

Not him, the assistant who was fired in December for showing the video we saw yesterday to the administration

Oh, ok.

Wait a minute. If he was fired for bringing the tape to the attention of the administration, didn't Rutgers break a major law, the whistle blower law? The school should be facing a lot more problems than just a potential lawsuit.


Depends. Eric Murdock had his contract not renewed, with the AD claiming it was due to insubordination. It was after this that he brought up the tape to the AD office, my guess is to get Rice fired out of spite, and when that failed he leaked the video to ESPN.

If he got fired for whistleblowing, I am guessing he would have to prove his insubordination was related to disagreeing with the player abuse and that he had brought it up to the AD office before his dismissal, even if it was just a verbal recount of the events.

At this point, this whole thing is just "Taking You Down With Me"...

That said, It's far more likely that Rice will find a coaching job eventually before Murdock does. No one forgives a snitch.
 
2013-04-03 12:09:40 PM  
verbally and physically abusing players is so far out of line he should have been fired on the spot. There is a difference between yelling at a player to do something specific and yelling insults at a player. Putting your hands on a player to show them correct position is not the same as throwing a ball at their heads in an attempt to inflict pain. Anyone defending this idiot ask yourself, would you want your kid to go play under him?
 
2013-04-03 12:13:46 PM  

The Third Man: Uh....where did you go to middle school?  Prison?


lol
 
2013-04-03 12:14:09 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: From one of the ESPN articles on this douchebag:

In addition to Rice's physical actions seen in the practices, Rice calls Rutgers players "f----ts," "m-----f-----s," "p-----s," "sissy b-----s," and "c---s," among other epithets.

I was sure I was going to see a headline here that read simply "f----ts," "m-----f-----s," "p-----s," "sissy b-----s," and "c---s."


he called them ferrets, monkfishes, plumbers, sissy bacons, and conifers?
 
2013-04-03 12:15:17 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Time for some GenX geezing. I've been watching the videos of his 'abuse' on ESPN for the last half hour, and he hasn't done anything that my middle school basketball coach didn't do back in the 80s. All the cursing, gnashing of teeth, and sideline gymnastics? Check. Throwing balls at players? Check. All the head games? Check. And the kid on the team who always got the worst end of everything? Yep, the coach's son.


Ah yes, the old, it happened to me so I'm fine with it happening to others defense. Kind of like when a kid goes to his elementary school and picks on the smaller kids because it turns out his older brother beats him up at home. Go ahead and pass that sage advice down to your heathens, but I hope the rest of the world is learning to treat young people with more respect
 
2013-04-03 12:18:12 PM  
ITT: "Well, I'm not defending this guy, but everyone does what he does and so I'm defending him".
 
2013-04-03 12:21:11 PM  
my high school bb and football coach was like this...back in the 70's.  people thought he was a legend.  total douchebag.  he farked up a lot of kids. the rutgers AD should get canned to, for knowing about this shiatbag and only suspending him.
 
2013-04-03 12:21:56 PM  
Wow... Colin Cowhead is right for once. Hypocritical of Rutgers to ask Don Imus for spouting slurs about their players, but cover up for their coach who did the same.
 
2013-04-03 12:22:17 PM  
CSB,  I had a football coach in HS he was 5'6" tops, and 180lbs of solid muscle, ex-military, had a degree in psychology and was the dean of students.  He never raised his voice or even thought about laying a hand on a kid, unless it was to break up a fight.   All that being said he would pull you aside, say a few words and with those few words he could crush your spirit more thoroughly then any curse word or physical violence ever could.
I once watched him pull aside a lineman who was botching his assignments and generally screwing off instead of trying;  he had the rest of us take a knee and go over new plays while he took the lineman aside and put a fatherly arm on his shoulder and started to talk to him in a low hard voice.  To this day I have no Idea what he said,  but he reduced a 300lb 6'3" tough as nails Offensive guard to a blubbering mass of red faced sobs.  He let the kid get his cry out and then started talking to him again in a friendly tone and the the kid apologized profusely and promised he would put forth 110% effort and all that jazz they try and force feed you.
  This coach went 25 winning seasons with a varsity team that averaged 30 players max at any given time (we were a tiny school), and he was able to pull the best performances out of us with just calm words.
/CSB

tl;dr Curses, shouting, and violence are far from the best motivators, sometimes all it really takes is the correct words applied to the right situation.
 
2013-04-03 12:25:06 PM  
He was warming up for the move to the big 10, er 12, um 14... How many teams now?
 
2013-04-03 12:30:39 PM  

mcmnky: Car_Ramrod: Well, he's been fired now after national pressure, so that's something.

I'm torn, because I don't want a society where being unpopular with people who have no relation to you or your employer can get you fired, just because those people have access to Facebook and twitter.

But I also don't want a society where teachers call students '#ucking #aggots' and keep their job.

So I say, let the coach keep his job (for now, he'll eventually get fired when he can't recruit any players), but fire the AD and anyone else in charge who knew about the situation and didn't speak up. (The situation being the abuse by the coach AND dismissing the whistle blower.)

/as the state university of New Jersey, I wonder if there are any whistle blower protection laws that apply


I hate hashtags also
 
2013-04-03 12:46:37 PM  
Does he get an Applebees commercial with Bobby Knight soon?
 
2013-04-03 12:47:54 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: From one of the ESPN articles on this douchebag:

In addition to Rice's physical actions seen in the practices, Rice calls Rutgers players "f----ts," "m-----f-----s," "p-----s," "sissy b-----s," and "c---s," among other epithets.


But not "nappy-headed hos", because, y'know, that would be wrong.
 
2013-04-03 12:59:11 PM  
C'mon guys, he was just being "intense".
 
2013-04-03 01:02:00 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: C'mon guys, he was just being "intense".


If he had gone to a Final Four, he could use that excuse.  When you lose, you're just a dick.
 
2013-04-03 01:03:51 PM  
Maybe it's time for some cameras in the gyms.  I know in my place of work, I can't go around smack talking and hitting my employees.  Why is it acceptable to do this to student athletes?  Glad to see this dbag get fired.  Better late than never.
 
2013-04-03 01:04:21 PM  
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Not impressed.
 
2013-04-03 01:04:56 PM  
Ooops wrong thread.
 
2013-04-03 01:08:15 PM  

The Third Man: Uh....where did you go to middle school?  Prison?


I don't understand the distinction you are trying to draw.
 
2013-04-03 01:10:18 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Time for some GenX geezing. I've been watching the videos of his 'abuse' on ESPN for the last half hour, and he hasn't done anything that my middle school basketball coach didn't do back in the 80s. All the cursing, gnashing of teeth, and sideline gymnastics? Check. Throwing balls at players? Check. All the head games? Check. And the kid on the team who always got the worst end of everything? Yep, the coach's son.

I also played baseball with this guy as coach. One day at practice, I was running my mouth, cursing, talking sh*t to everyone. I tried to steal 2nd, and Coach, who was catcher, aimed right for my head and knocked me out on the slide. When I got up and tried to rub it, he grabbed my arm and cussed me out for being a pussy and trying to rub out the hurt. Good times.


Came for the epic douchebag defenses of this guy by frustrated middle-aged douchebag athletes. Leaving satisfied.

Glad that he cried like a fairy at his presser too.
 
2013-04-03 01:12:33 PM  

Third Leg: Ooops wrong thread.


Not really; I'm pretty sure if Rice brought a baseball bat with him to practices...
 
2013-04-03 01:18:47 PM  

The Muthaship: HotWingConspiracy: C'mon guys, he was just being "intense".

If he had gone to a Final Four, he could use that excuse.  When you lose, you're just a dick.


Yeah really, and that's the part I don't get. They could have just canned him for his shiat record and avoided all of this.
 
2013-04-03 01:21:41 PM  

Dinobot: Depends. Eric Murdock had his contract not renewed, with the AD claiming it was due to insubordination. It was after this that he brought up the tape to the AD office, my guess is to get Rice fired out of spite, and when that failed he leaked the video to ESPN.


Right. This doesn't fall under "whistle-blowing", since it was brought up after he was already let go.

BTW, there are reports (with some backing, apparently, but still unverified) that Murdock is being investigated for trying to extort money from RU (about $1M, I think) in exchange for not going public with the tape.
 
2013-04-03 01:35:29 PM  
It sounds like the athletic director needs to be fire too. He retaliated against the person brought the coach's behavior to the AD's attention. He gave the coach only a suspension and only decided to fire the coach once things got too embarrassing.
 
2013-04-03 01:36:42 PM  
Of the million things wrong in that video, the one that bothers me the most is just how defeated those students look.  You have to wonder how much abuse it takes to get the type of person that plays sports at that level to just roll over like a defeated dog when they are being treated like that.

And there's just NO farking way nobody narced on this guy prior to November.  Not one player, not one assistant, not one of the numerous student volunteers that populate practices?  C'mon.
 
2013-04-03 01:43:40 PM  
i114.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-03 01:44:04 PM  

Third Leg: Ooops wrong thread.


Good photo though
 
2013-04-03 01:47:32 PM  
A job at Texas Tech for yourself and your son?
 
2013-04-03 02:08:04 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: WhoopAssWayne: Time for some GenX geezing. I've been watching the videos of his 'abuse' on ESPN for the last half hour, and he hasn't done anything that my middle school basketball coach didn't do back in the 80s. All the cursing, gnashing of teeth, and sideline gymnastics? Check. Throwing balls at players? Check. All the head games? Check. And the kid on the team who always got the worst end of everything? Yep, the coach's son.

Ah yes, the old, it happened to me so I'm fine with it happening to others defense. Kind of like when a kid goes to his elementary school and picks on the smaller kids because it turns out his older brother beats him up at home. Go ahead and pass that sage advice down to your heathens, but I hope the rest of the world is learning to treat young people with more respect


You must have been beat up a lot.  Have you met any of the "kids" people are raising now-a-days?  I'd like to throw some basketballs at them too.
 
2013-04-03 02:15:37 PM  
Every coach is verbally abusive
 
2013-04-03 02:36:52 PM  

steamingpile: Every coach is verbally abusive


No, not even close.  There's a big difference between constructive criticism, even done passionately (yelling), and abuse.  Verbal abuse has no part in coaching, but Rice was fired more so for the physical stuff.
 
2013-04-03 02:43:27 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: ModernPrimitive01: WhoopAssWayne: Time for some GenX geezing. I've been watching the videos of his 'abuse' on ESPN for the last half hour, and he hasn't done anything that my middle school basketball coach didn't do back in the 80s. All the cursing, gnashing of teeth, and sideline gymnastics? Check. Throwing balls at players? Check. All the head games? Check. And the kid on the team who always got the worst end of everything? Yep, the coach's son.

Ah yes, the old, it happened to me so I'm fine with it happening to others defense. Kind of like when a kid goes to his elementary school and picks on the smaller kids because it turns out his older brother beats him up at home. Go ahead and pass that sage advice down to your heathens, but I hope the rest of the world is learning to treat young people with more respect

You must have been beat up a lot.  Have you met any of the "kids" people are raising now-a-days?  I'd like to throw some basketballs at them too.


is that how you get them off your lawn?
 
2013-04-03 02:50:39 PM  
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2013-04-03 03:46:29 PM  
Headline is correct.

Followup: What's the penalty for said video being made public? Being fired within 24 hours, duh.

Was sort of hoping to see him coach in, say, the Kohl center just for the lulz of the chants of "asshole".

//wonders if Eric Murdock will be able to find a coaching job again
 
2013-04-03 04:39:50 PM  

AugustWest: A job at Texas Tech for yourself and your son?


Tubby Smith beat them to it.
 
2013-04-03 05:46:53 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: I hate to say it but bmckenna makes valid points. And this is not in defense of the guy. This goes on. It goes on in athletics, in your military, in your law enforcement. The necessity of it has been debated for years. What discipline is not necessarily most acceptable but most effective? This was a major issue when I was at USMA and they were under some fire for hazing, during the Nineties, when political correctness became more of an issue, mostly due to the access to things that technology provided. I remember them showing the Colonel Jessup scene from A Few Good Men and having a discussion with plebes about what is acceptable and what is not. But it didn't change the fact that some of those kids had an idea of discipline that they already bought into.

The video is painful to watch, and I assert again that I in no way defend the guy. But this is a leadership style that is not new and won't be going away any time soon.


Not once in my military basic training days, or in my police academy days, was I called a f*cking f*ggot, or pushed, or had things thrown at me.    Sure it happened quite a bit in the past, but things are evolving and this coach doesn't seem to have evolved with it.

I was called some vile things, but things relating to race, sexual preference, age, etc are off limits, lest this coach call the wrong person a "f*cking f*ggot" and pushing the kid, and he turns out to be gay.  Then you've got a battery/assault, with the insinuation that homosexuality was the motive.  Coach should have known better.

/Was, at one point during SERE School, lead around on a leash by another soldier while being told I was going to get "farked in the A."
//That served a purpose, however, which has been proven.
 
2013-04-03 05:47:39 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Of the million things wrong in that video, the one that bothers me the most is just how defeated those students look.  You have to wonder how much abuse it takes to get the type of person that plays sports at that level to just roll over like a defeated dog when they are being treated like that.



Yeah, Mrs. Earguy saw it and said, "the guys didn't even flinch when they were getting balls drilled at their heads and their nuts."  They're defeated, their spirits broken.  If they defend the coach, it's Stockholm syndrome.
 
2013-04-03 05:50:08 PM  
You would have thought that after the national attention that has been sprayed all over the topic of coaches and physical discipline of players (Bobby Knight, Lou Holz and the facemask, others) that EVERY college athletic program would have a written set of guidelines regarding treatment of players and that they would have the AD sit every new coach and assistant down and read right through it with them and let them know in no uncertain terms that they will be terminated immediately if they violate those guidelines.

I'm not shocked that the arsehole acted like an arsehole.  I'm shocked that Rutgers didn't have a baked-in policy on how to deal with him.
 
2013-04-03 05:55:38 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Of the million things wrong in that video, the one that bothers me the most is just how defeated those students look.  You have to wonder how much abuse it takes to get the type of person that plays sports at that level to just roll over like a defeated dog when they are being treated like that.

And there's just NO farking way nobody narced on this guy prior to November.  Not one player, not one assistant, not one of the numerous student volunteers that populate practices?  C'mon.


There was a caller on Herd's show today who talked about when she was a college ballplayer in the 90's, she played for a coach who was verbally abusive to players. Coach was supended for a bit, but would still say things like "my way or the highway" and "if you don't like it, leave", just being completely unapologetic about their actions. These kids aren't going to talk back to these coaches out of fear of some sort of retaliation, i.e. lost scholarship or lost playing time.  Kids often don't want to transfer because they like the school and academics (the reason the caller gave for putting up with the abuse in her situation), and they're forced to sit out a season if they do.
 
2013-04-03 06:02:01 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Dinobot: Depends. Eric Murdock had his contract not renewed, with the AD claiming it was due to insubordination. It was after this that he brought up the tape to the AD office, my guess is to get Rice fired out of spite, and when that failed he leaked the video to ESPN.

Right. This doesn't fall under "whistle-blowing", since it was brought up after he was already let go.

BTW, there are reports (with some backing, apparently, but still unverified) that Murdock is being investigated for trying to extort money from RU (about $1M, I think) in exchange for not going public with the tape.


Oooof. Real life isn't like TV, mr Murdock.


I played a lot of competitive youth sports, never had an abusive coach like that.

It's probably different in the military and other "life and death" environments, but fear isn't a great motivator for athletics.
 
2013-04-03 06:09:31 PM  
Then again, a lot of players actually don't mind the abuse becasue they feel it makes them better men, or something like that. How many of Bob Knights' ex-players ever speak ill of him? I've read stories of Mike Shershefskee cursing out his players on the bench during the game, telling them how "you farkers farking make me sick", but they all love him. Geno Auriemma is a douche, and I get the feeling Nick Saban isn't the nicest guy to his players during practice. Of course, all those guys are winners, among the best in their profession, and, like others have mentioned, if Rice had a couple of rings and 500 wins, no one would give a shiat, and if he had some superstar alums in the NBA, they'd be running to his defense about how he's a "leader to men" and "prepares you for life".
 
2013-04-03 06:23:27 PM  
It's a good thing Mr. Rice has been tossed out with the garbage. Educational institutions have to expect even more from their coaches than they do from their students, and Mr. Rice was behaving like gutter scum, not a Rutgers student.
 
2013-04-03 06:56:21 PM  
What the hell
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2013-04-03 06:56:37 PM  
I'm surprised that they didn't fire him immediately when the video surfaced.  I'd have been looking for a reason to replace a sub .500 coach.
 
2013-04-03 08:24:30 PM  
He only got fired after Gov. Christie weighed in on it.

/rimshot
 
2013-04-03 08:46:16 PM  
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1532721/rutgersrice.gif

Looks like it didn't take him long to find a new job....
 
2013-04-03 08:55:40 PM  
Here's the last 4 RU men's basketball coaches:

- Kevin Bannon, fired for forcing players to strip and run naked wind sprints over missed free throws
- Gary Watters, "resigned" for performance failures (and for an unexcused absence when he got stuck in a snowstorm at Kent State and *supposedly* didn't tell anyone)
- Fred Hill, Jr, fired for a) getting into a profanity-laced argument with the Pitt baseball coaches (Fred Hill, Sr. is the RU baseball coach) over a game; and b) ignoring Pernetti's orders to stay away from the rest of the games that series
- Mike Rice, the Bobby Knight-wannabe (except for the whole "winning" part)

BTW, the Scarlet Knights have not made the NCAA Tourney in over 20 years (although they've gone to the NIT a few times). In comparison, Liberty University has made it 3 times over the same time period.
 
2013-04-03 09:10:49 PM  

dark brew: bmckenna:
You're kidding yourselves if you don't think similar antics to these go on at a ton of schools all across the country. Wally Judge (current Rutgers player) said that Kansas State practices (where he transferred from) were worse in this regard than Rutgers practices. K State just didn't have disgruntled employees filming the practices to be used as leverage in an eventual wrongful termination suit.


You're kidding yourself if you believe that there are "a ton" of coaches throwing balls at their players and pushing them around.  Wally Judge said practices were harder at K-State, not that Frank Martin was being physically abusive like Rice.    So that's the difference, not a disgruntled employee.

Everybody knows that most coaches will yell at their guys from time to time.  Some more than others.  The physical stuff completely crosses the line and if one of those players had decked Rice they would have been completely right to do so.   He sucked as a coach anyways, so quit defending that piece of crap.


I can't believe none of those guys ever just snapped and went Kermit Washington on that asshole.
 
2013-04-03 09:22:07 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Here's the last 4 RU men's basketball coaches:

- Kevin Bannon, fired for forcing players to strip and run naked wind sprints over missed free throws
- Gary Watters, "resigned" for performance failures (and for an unexcused absence when he got stuck in a snowstorm at Kent State and *supposedly* didn't tell anyone)
- Fred Hill, Jr, fired for a) getting into a profanity-laced argument with the Pitt baseball coaches (Fred Hill, Sr. is the RU baseball coach) over a game; and b) ignoring Pernetti's orders to stay away from the rest of the games that series
- Mike Rice, the Bobby Knight-wannabe (except for the whole "winning" part)

BTW, the Scarlet Knights have not made the NCAA Tourney in over 20 years (although they've gone to the NIT a few times). In comparison, Liberty University has made it 3 times over the same time period.


That's what I don't understand: why not fire this guy in December and be done with it?

It just doesn't make sense. Unless they're worried about spillover into the football program, which has been on a nice upswing?
 
2013-04-03 09:22:51 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Here's the last 4 RU men's basketball coaches:

- Kevin Bannon, fired for forcing players to strip and run naked wind sprints over missed free throws
- Gary Watters, "resigned" for performance failures (and for an unexcused absence when he got stuck in a snowstorm at Kent State and *supposedly* didn't tell anyone)
- Fred Hill, Jr, fired for a) getting into a profanity-laced argument with the Pitt baseball coaches (Fred Hill, Sr. is the RU baseball coach) over a game; and b) ignoring Pernetti's orders to stay away from the rest of the games that series
- Mike Rice, the Bobby Knight-wannabe (except for the whole "winning" part)

BTW, the Scarlet Knights have not made the NCAA Tourney in over 20 years (although they've gone to the NIT a few times). In comparison, Liberty University has made it 3 times over the same time period.


Liberty wouldn't even have a winning record in the Big East.
 
2013-04-03 09:24:54 PM  
bmfderek:I can't believe none of those guys ever just snapped and went Kermit Washington on that asshole.

Except the huuuge power imbalance here.  If you transfer without the coach's approval you have to sit out a year.  If you fight with the coach you don't get playing time which means no pro career.  And you don't want a reputation as not being a "team player."  Plus, you don't have the life experience to know that this isn't how most teams work.
 
2013-04-03 09:46:20 PM  

bmfderek: dark brew: bmckenna:
You're kidding yourselves if you don't think similar antics to these go on at a ton of schools all across the country. Wally Judge (current Rutgers player) said that Kansas State practices (where he transferred from) were worse in this regard than Rutgers practices. K State just didn't have disgruntled employees filming the practices to be used as leverage in an eventual wrongful termination suit.


You're kidding yourself if you believe that there are "a ton" of coaches throwing balls at their players and pushing them around.  Wally Judge said practices were harder at K-State, not that Frank Martin was being physically abusive like Rice.    So that's the difference, not a disgruntled employee.

Everybody knows that most coaches will yell at their guys from time to time.  Some more than others.  The physical stuff completely crosses the line and if one of those players had decked Rice they would have been completely right to do so.   He sucked as a coach anyways, so quit defending that piece of crap.

I can't believe none of those guys ever just snapped and went Kermit Washington on that asshole.


That's because the kids are already defeated and broken. Yelling and cursing is only a motivational tool when it works; if it doesn't work (and it didn't based on RU's record with this douchebag as a coach), then you try something else. The good coaches know what buttons to push and when to push them, for the most part.

You also don't go over the line with slurs and throw basketballs at people's heads. If the players are goofing off, I can see a basketball to the leg or something, but not to the face/head area.
 
2013-04-03 10:08:06 PM  

MFAWG: That's what I don't understand: why not fire this guy in December and be done with it?

It just doesn't make sense. Unless they're worried about spillover into the football program, which has been on a nice upswing?


My guess is that they a) didn't want to have to pay out more money, given the ridiculous buyout given to his predecessor, to a coach who no longer worked there, and/or b) they were trying to avoid having to do a coaching search in the middle of the season and right before entering the B1G Ten+.  Of course, not only do they still have to do all of that anyway, but now there's really bad publicity and an increasing reputation for incompetence as well.

Frankly, if they really want to get past all of this, they're just going to have to go the C. Vivian Stringer route for the men's team, and actually throw money at someone with a proven track record and name recognition to come here. Which is going to suck, given the financial problems the athletic program already has.
 
2013-04-03 10:20:01 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: Liberty wouldn't even have a winning record in the Big East.


That may be, but you'd think that Rutgers would be able to, if nothing else, get into the Tourney just by *accident* at least once over 20 years. They were, quite literally, the *ONLY* team not to make it in even one time from the point that their non-football sports joined in 1995. That's almost an almost impossible level of ineptitude.
 
2013-04-03 11:19:14 PM  

Joe_diGriz: CigaretteSmokingMan: Liberty wouldn't even have a winning record in the Big East.

That may be, but you'd think that Rutgers would be able to, if nothing else, get into the Tourney just by *accident* at least once over 20 years. They were, quite literally, the *ONLY* team not to make it in even one time from the point that their non-football sports joined in 1995. That's almost an almost impossible level of ineptitude.


It's hard to get in by accident in a league like the Big East.
 
2013-04-04 12:57:27 AM  
 
2013-04-04 01:14:59 AM  

The Muthaship: Sport is rotten.


Especially college sport. The NFL may have its share of guys who will drive drunk, posess a gun, common criminal behavior. Pride in college sports drives organizations to allow pounding little boys and using racial slurs and abuse to "motivate". I mean, at the end if the day, it's a game. It takes great dedication and intellect to be great, but every thing in sports is a game, so let's take a few steps back before we find teenage hitchhikers in Coach K's cellar.
 
2013-04-04 10:57:59 AM  
I've been through worse. I played at Lewis-Clark State under Ed Cheff. But he won a lot of World Series', so no one cared that he was a raging abusive dickbag.
 
2013-04-04 02:50:34 PM  
 The real men who play the sport had no problem at all. In fact, they chose to play for this guy.
So a bunch of non-sports playing pussies are offended and the guy gets fired.

This is America
 
2013-04-06 04:21:03 AM  

doubled99: The real men who play the sport had no problem at all. In fact, they chose to play for this guy.
So a bunch of non-sports playing pussies are offended and the guy gets fired.

This is America


Love it or leave it.
 
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