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(Sun News Network)   If you're worried that China will eventually take over the world, relax. They're not going to make it through THE AIRPOCALYPSE   (sunnewsnetwork.ca) divider line 18
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2013-04-03 07:14:54 AM  
7 votes:

Jim_Callahan: The fun part about partially oxidized sulfurous and carbonaceous pollutants is that they tend to get scrubbed out of the air by natural processes before they get far beyond the general hinterland of the city generating them, so we can afford to point and laugh at the idiots who don't use the numerous inexpensive and effective methods we've developed to prevent such emissions instead of being worried about it.


Not disputing that but I wouldn't be so high-and-mighty about it.  America was EVERY BIT as bad in the 1950s and 1960s.  We were on pace to wipe out our forests entirely, we had rivers regularly catching fire (it wasn't just the Cuyahoga) and our extraction industries today are every bit as "fark the planet" as China's.  The difference between China now and American then is that we citizens actually have a sliver of political power.  Our industries had to be dragged like screaming toddlers into complying with the environmental regulations passed only because of enormous popular pressure.  Our record is still spotty, but if we deregulated, we'd be probably be neck-and-neck with China's hellhole within a single generation, despite the "numerous inexpensive and effective methods we've developed".  These companies skimp on worker safety for a hundredths of a penny of extra return on the investment dollar, so it's evident their contempt for environmental concerns would be on par with China.
2013-04-03 06:49:36 AM  
5 votes:
I like this comment below the article:

China reaps the poisonous fruit of generations of failed central economic planning. It's no coincidence that the world's Communist nations are also its worst polluters

Because capitalist countries would never do anything like that...things like governments in western democracies having to pass clean air acts or car emissions regulations is laughable on the face of it, because freely operating private businesses and individuals will just do the right thing in keeping air clean without the heavy hand of government forcing them to pollute.
2013-04-03 06:38:23 AM  
5 votes:
The fun part about partially oxidized sulfurous and carbonaceous pollutants is that they tend to get scrubbed out of the air by natural processes before they get far beyond the general hinterland of the city generating them, so we can afford to point and laugh at the idiots who don't use the numerous inexpensive and effective methods we've developed to prevent such emissions instead of being worried about it.

Alternately, the sad part about China's predicament here is that the costs of containing or neutralizing the emissions the article's talking about are, in industrial terms, almost nonexistent, and they're poisoning entire cities to save hundredths of a cent on the dollar.
2013-04-03 08:35:55 AM  
3 votes:

Jim_Callahan: The fun part about partially oxidized sulfurous and carbonaceous pollutants is that they tend to get scrubbed out of the air by natural processes before they get far beyond the general hinterland of the city generating them, so we can afford to point and laugh at the idiots who don't use the numerous inexpensive and effective methods we've developed to prevent such emissions instead of being worried about it.

Alternately, the sad part about China's predicament here is that the costs of containing or neutralizing the emissions the article's talking about are, in industrial terms, almost nonexistent, and they're poisoning entire cities to save hundredths of a cent on the dollar.


Here in the US we've had to fight tooth and nail to get to where we're at. Hundredths of a cent on the dollar is enough to make some capitalists apoplectic.  At every turn we've been assured that improving air quality will completely destroy the economy (much like today's CO2 issue).  Then add in the weakness of the Chinese central government, and you've got a major catastrophe just waiting to happen.
2013-04-03 08:31:59 AM  
3 votes:
I've been saying this in every doom-saying China thread that has popped up.

They're farked.

In 10-20 years respiratory issues are going to strike down their urban centers in horrifically painful ways, the rural populations aren't going to fare much better with their heavily polluted rivers putting all kinds of heavy metals into the fields they're farming and not to mention, undrinkable water.   China will either ignore this to keep the manufacturing or they'll join the rest of the first world and put environmental and safety regulations into place which will cause an exodus by companies to another country that has no issue in killing it's people.
2013-04-03 08:06:58 AM  
3 votes:

xria: Because capitalist countries would never do anything like that...things like governments in western democracies having to pass clean air acts or car emissions regulations is laughable on the face of it, because freely operating private businesses and individuals will just do the right thing in keeping air clean without the heavy hand of government forcing them to pollute.


China may be the most ruthlessly capitalist nation on earth at this point. I don't get why the mouthbreathers equate capitalism with democracy or mistake totalitarianism for communism. Didn't pay attention in high school I guess.
2013-04-03 07:42:17 AM  
2 votes:
multimedia.post-gazette.com

Here's another one. As you can see by the clock it's a little past noon. That would be the brightest part of the day and some pedestrians are actually encased in their own personal cloud of pollution. Hats were worn, not to be fashionable but to keep pieces of soot from settling in their hair... OHMAHGAWD! Look! Typewriter store!
I wonder if they had typewriter nerds back then. "Greetings, store owner. I can type 120 words per minutes. Can your typewriter keep up? I would like to try this new machine. I see you have extensive plastic parts. Is that innovation or are you just kowtowing to the Japanese knockoff market? I think I shall give it a simple test. (type type type) Ug! I knew I was a Royal man for a reason. I could barely get 30 words per minute on this thing. The keys are not tactile and the return lever is in the completely wrong position. I also suspect the ribbon will not last long. Good day, sir. I shall take my business down the street for I know there are several typewriter stores in this district alone.
2013-04-03 06:57:35 AM  
2 votes:
It's almost like they could use some sort of Agency that Protects the Environment...
2013-04-03 06:56:22 AM  
2 votes:

xria: I like this comment below the article:

China reaps the poisonous fruit of generations of failed central economic planning. It's no coincidence that the world's Communist nations are also its worst polluters

Because capitalist countries would never do anything like that...things like governments in western democracies having to pass clean air acts or car emissions regulations is laughable on the face of it, because freely operating private businesses and individuals will just do the right thing in keeping air clean without the heavy hand of government forcing them to pollute.


Dude, everyone knows that Richard Nixon was a no-good commie rat bastard.
2013-04-03 12:03:54 PM  
1 votes:
This is basically what republicans would love to (re)do to the US. Kill the EPA, Kill any environmental regulations, built more coal plants. Build dirtier coal plants. Abandon any kind of lower pollution product.

Cmon, don't you all want 13,000 dead pigs to float down the Mississippi. Wouldn't dirty America be grand.
2013-04-03 09:04:07 AM  
1 votes:

Harry Freakstorm: I dunno. We did. PittsburgH 1940s.

[boringpittsburgh.com image 644x519]


FTFY.  Anyway, it's amazing how much they've cleaned up around here.  There's a stone church on 6th Ave. in downtown Pittsburgh (First Presbyterian Church) that was stained black by the pollution decades ago.  I called it's "Hell's Church" because the black stone, combine with the gothic look of the church (and the red doors) made it look quite evil.  It underwent a massive restoration project a few years ago, and they sandblasted most of the pollution off of the stones.

Before:

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After:

www.thelittlelist.net
2013-04-03 08:25:43 AM  
1 votes:
Having been there while we were building a manufacturing plant in Beijing recently, I can attest to how horrible the situation over there really is.
The problem is that the Government of China is far worse than any corporation ever dreamed of being.  They don't give a rats ass about the people in any way shape or form.
They simply do NOT care.
One large earthquake would level Beijing because they have NO building codes at all.  The only requirement is the payoff of government officials.
China woke up too late and is the largest economic and environmental disaster this planet will ever see.
It's going to be awesome to watch, but the farrout is going to be horrific and worldwide.
2013-04-03 07:59:58 AM  
1 votes:
And the "Abolish the EPA" crowd has been getting a bit louder each of the last two election cycles - tying in to their "The job creators would make more jobs if they didnt have to worry about all the red tape from Washington...."

Tell ya what - I'm OK with "red tape" from Washington if we don't turn our country back into the hellish soup of pollutants from the 30's thru the 70's.  Some of the waterways are still in the middle stages of recovery from being the dumping ground to every mutant colored sludge that came out of an industrial process.
2013-04-03 07:57:27 AM  
1 votes:
I've always maintained that all the noise about us sending our jobs to china was simply a distraction from the real benefit to manufacturers, exporting our pollution.
2013-04-03 07:49:28 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-04-03 07:45:32 AM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Alternately, the sad part about China's predicament here is that the costs of containing or neutralizing the emissions the article's talking about are, in industrial terms, almost nonexistent, and they're poisoning entire cities to save hundredths of a cent on the dollar.


Too bad that is exactly where conservatives here would like to take us with their gutting of our environmental regulations.  I guess those hundredths of a cent on the dollar add up to a new yacht for a CEO somewhere.
2013-04-03 07:30:35 AM  
1 votes:
I dunno. We did. Pittsburg 1940s.

boringpittsburgh.com
2013-04-03 06:49:34 AM  
1 votes:
Well they're never going to make any headway until the panda-faced gooftards start taking the sh*t seriously.
 
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